From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #211 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 18 1999 Volume 08 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I went on a trip. [Capuchin ] Movies, let's talk about Jeme [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: [Terrence M Marks ] music against brain degeneration [Ken Ostrander ] help for tape project ["Paul Montagne" ] Re: theocracy [four episode lesbian ] jewels for sophia track listing [four episode lesbian ] re: R.S. on R & R Shocker! [**twofangs** {randi} ] a post about posts [Joel Mullins ] Re: TMBG/Elektra [Capitalism Blows ] Re: Potentially Interesting (maybe some RH content) [Capitalism Blows ] Re: I went on a trip. [lj lindhurst ] Re: Wilco - Summerteeth [D B ] Re: Theocracy [Michael R Godwin ] Re: I don't know why, I call him Gerald [Michael R Godwin ] Re: theocracy [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Theocracy [Terrence M Marks ] Re: I don't know why, I call him Gerald [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Theocracy ["JH3" ] Re: Theocracy [Aaron Mandel ] Largo Tonight (18 June) [Griffith Davies ] RE: chai tea ["Partridge, John" ] Re: Theocracy [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Theocracy ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: I went on a trip. For those that are wondering: This is going to sound pissy. I certainly don't mean it to. I recently took a little trip to Chicago and NYC. I hung out with many fegs and had some fantastic times. I saw wonderful things and people. I did some fantastic things with my mind and body. All things were good. But I'm not writing a big travelogue thing. I didn't write one about my trip to Santa Cruz to see Mark and Bayard and co. last September. But none of that means I've given up the form. I love fegmaniax and I love fegs. I do get a little annoyed at feg posts that are just about fegmaniax and fegs. I love the open discussions on random topics all over the place. But I'm not going to write about "what I did on my summer vacation" for all of you to read just because I saw some fegs while I was gone. So... I'll write some massive annoying thing when I go on a trip and can review a Robyn show somewhere inside (look for big things at the end of June and around Bumbershoot). But other than that, I don't want anyone to feel sleighted (though it shocks me that anyone would) when I don't post some huge tome about my weekend on their futon. If you're interested in what I did, let me know and I'll share (be careful what you wish for... others can attest to the massive missives I'm prone to generate with such open questions). But for the general public, I spent nearly all of my time with our own vivlyon. Every minute was a joy. I re-met Susan Dodge and met her SO. Nobody got motion sickness. I stayed with Quail and LJ in NYC and Chris Gross came to visit. Billiards was played. Art was viewed. Fegs are, in fact, the nicest people. Probably six of my favorite nine people are fegs. Mwah. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:53:30 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Movies, let's talk about Jeme Mystery Men. I had forgotten all about it. I've got to go see it. Actually, I've probably said to this list before that even moreso than the lead in "The Planet of the Apes" musical (or the planet), I was born to play Flaming Carrot, but I could be a passable Screwball. It is too bad that they didn't have the budget to hire me in one of the lead roles. I have been a huge fan of Flaming Carrot comix, that is, until the most recent few. I really want to hear about the journeys of Jeme. I also like to hear what fegs are thinking and feeling, even if it has nothing to do with the prints on Robyn's shirts. I have gotten rather good at avoiding threads in which I'm too torn/not interested/whatever to participate. Happies to all! - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > (45 idiot Democrats in the House voted FOR Theocracy today - yet another > reason to vote third party next time around) Did it pass? (Please tell me it wasn't Anglican theocracy. We fought the revolutionary war to get away from that.) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:59:45 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: music against brain degeneration i saw this flyer at the excellent pavement show last night: COME SEE The Flaming Lips Sebadoh Robyn Hitchcock Cornelius AND OTHER CURRENT MUSICAL INNOVATORS SUMMER TOUR 1999 >>>>The >>>>First >>>>International m.a.b.d. music against brain degeneration >>>> Revue Friday, August 20 Roxy 279 Tremont St. Boston ON SALE SAT. JUNE 19 18+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:21:11 -0700 From: "Paul Montagne" Subject: help for tape project The Beach Boys - Bicycle Rider There are two versions on the re-release of Alive and Smiling and who can forget Fats Domino's Rockin Bicycle? Oh, and Dave Brubeck does an instrumental version of Bicycle Built For Two on Quiet As The Moon > As y'all have some of the best music taste of any list I'm on, I > wanted to > ask for some help. I participate in Critical Mass, a spontaneous bicycle > parade every month. We take over the streets and see what drivers and the > cops do (I just got out of a ticket yesterday in circuit court...) > I am planning on riding in the future with a boombox on my bike > to provide a > soudntrack of sorts. I want to compile a tape of songs about > bikes--preferably with "bike", "bicycle" or "cyclist" in the > title, but if > it's prominently in the song, good enough. If any of the terms are really > about motorcycles, it don't count--unless you can make a good > case for it, > that is. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:43:15 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: Re: theocracy MC 900 Ft Jason R. Thornton rapped: >(45 idiot Democrats in the House voted FOR Theocracy today - yet another >reason to vote third party next time around) my first thought when i heard about that was something along those lines, but the more i thought about it, the less sure i am that i care all that much. first, they didn't vote to allow the display of the ten commandments - -- they voted to allow the states to make this decision. yeah, not much difference, but -- around new york city anwyays -- i don't expect the tablets taking up residence in any public places (hey! reverse nimby!). second, the reason stated for this vote was to "increase moral character". somehow, i am not convinced that this is going to make a whit of difference to the ethics of americans, so i am tempted to let them have their way and laugh at the results. let the slippery slope debate commence. woj, bummed that he missed jeme ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:53:08 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: jewels for sophia track listing just got this from someone who has a promo-copy of the album already... 1. Mexican God 2. The Cheese Alarm 3. Viva! Sea-Tac 4. I Feel Beautiful 5. You've Got A Sweet Mouth On You, Baby 6. NASA Clapping 7. Sally Was A Legend 8. Antwoman 9. Elizabeth Jade 10. No, I Don't Remember Guilford 11. Dark Princess 12. Jewels For Sophia +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:58:25 -0400 From: **twofangs** {randi} Subject: re: R.S. on R & R Shocker! she really wants you all to call! Sunnybrook Hospital: 1-416-480-4246 ext. 1808 ring twice, hang up, ring again. thanks!, Tim (who has had to offer 23% of his next blockbuster novel in order to resume his "Of Tim and Randi" status...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:54:56 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: a post about posts Sometimes, I receive messages twice. I'll get some messages and then 3 or 4 days later, I'll get the same messages again. Why is this? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:09:14 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: Re: TMBG/Elektra you didn't pee your pants, did you? i only ask because it seems to be going around. a guy at my sister's high school graduation did so, rather than miss his brother's name being called. swear to god. it was about the strangest thing i've ever seen (i was sitting directly behind him). gotta admire the guy's loyalty to his bro', though. http://leb.net/iac/ http://www.beograd.com The world today has a major problem. That problem has a name. The name is not Milosevic, he is the small town villain. The name of the problem is United States of America. Their sense of exceptionalism, being above ordinary states and nations, is attractive. To break that many international law paragraphs can only be justified if you are above the law, in a direct relation to a God of the universe who "created America to bring order to the world" (Colin Powell) or, in more secular terms, "a global nation with global interests" (Shalikashvili). Smaller states flock to the Exceptional one to reflect, like the cold moon, some of the light, not to mention the heat, burning the non-believers. An old Western tradition. --Johan Galtung _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:11:10 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: Re: Potentially Interesting (maybe some RH content) thought they'd said that they'd wanted to put some other stuff on the reissues, but it turned out that the tapes were all fucked up. or something like that. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:19:21 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: Re: what to sing while cycling madly through Honeltyn Clyst <...I always get that Syd Barret song stuck in my head while riding my bike. I don't remember the title, but the lyrics go.. "I've got a bike you can ride it if you like it's got a bell and lots of things to make it look good!"> the last several songs on PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN are just so fucking cool! "i want to tell you a story/about a little man/if i can." <(Eddie..your fegs-washing-dishes pictures were great! Can I wash up next time I visit???)> well, i figure you'll be too worn out from having made your own damned chai... by the way, chai, as most of you probably know, is the word for "tea" in many languages. so when people order "chai tea", as they so often will, it's kinda like they're actually saying "tea tea". we always get a kick out of that. by the way, part ii. did i ever tell y'all that, three years ago, the boss' then-eight-year-old granddaughter told me that "bujah n'bajta" is urdu for "your mother is fucking a monkey"? i do know that "bujah" is urdu for "monkey" (although i think it's actually more specific. like, chimp, or whatever.) however, i've been too afraid to verify the rest of it, so i really couldn't say if it's true or not. but i taught it to some of my co-workers at the country club anyhow. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:23:31 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: re: NYT again . just possibly the most entertaining site on the whole of the world wide web. apart from the Glass Hotel, that is. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:52:36 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: I went on a trip. That DID sound pissy. And so will this: Who the fuck do you think you ARE, anyway? It's not as though we (TGQ and I) have been nagging at you to write about your trip-- after all, we were THERE. So what is the point of this? That you somehow GLORIFY us by writing about your experiences? No, I don't feel sleighted when you "don't post a huge tome about your weekend on my futon," but I *do* feel *annoyed* that you seem to think that we are all sitting around waiting for you to write something brilliant about it. - --Futon Owner - --------------------- Capuchin writes: >For those that are wondering: > >This is going to sound pissy. I certainly don't mean it to. > >I recently took a little trip to Chicago and NYC. I hung out with many >fegs and had some fantastic times. I saw wonderful things and people. I >did some fantastic things with my mind and body. All things were good. > >But I'm not writing a big travelogue thing. I didn't write one about my >trip to Santa Cruz to see Mark and Bayard and co. last September. But >none of that means I've given up the form. > >I love fegmaniax and I love fegs. I do get a little annoyed at feg posts >that are just about fegmaniax and fegs. I love the open discussions on >random topics all over the place. But I'm not going to write about "what >I did on my summer vacation" for all of you to read just because I saw >some fegs while I was gone. > >So... I'll write some massive annoying thing when I go on a trip and can >review a Robyn show somewhere inside (look for big things at the end of >June and around Bumbershoot). But other than that, I don't want anyone to >feel sleighted (though it shocks me that anyone would) when I don't post >some huge tome about my weekend on their futon. > >If you're interested in what I did, let me know and I'll share (be careful >what you wish for... others can attest to the massive missives I'm prone >to generate with such open questions). > >But for the general public, I spent nearly all of my time with our own >vivlyon. Every minute was a joy. I re-met Susan Dodge and met her SO. >Nobody got motion sickness. I stayed with Quail and LJ in NYC and Chris >Gross came to visit. Billiards was played. Art was viewed. > >Fegs are, in fact, the nicest people. Probably six of my favorite nine >people are fegs. > >Mwah. >J. >-- >________________________________________________________ > >J A Brelin Capuchin >________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:34:05 PDT From: D B Subject: Re: Wilco - Summerteeth Can anybody in Feg-Land tell me how the new Wilco holds up in comparison to Being There or Mermaid Avenue? I keep hearing references to The Beatles' work in relation to it, and I guess I'm kind of dubious... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:39:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Theocracy > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > (45 idiot Democrats in the House voted FOR Theocracy today - yet another > > reason to vote third party next time around) On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Terrence M Marks wrote: > (Please tell me it wasn't Anglican theocracy. We fought the revolutionary > war to get away from that.) This can't be correct. Theocracy translates as 'rule by gods' and we've never had that in England (unless you count Mrs Thatcher). I suppose that more loosely it means 'rule by the religious party' and the only time we have come close to that was during the Commonwealth of 1649-1665. Doesn't the US Constitution (like the French and Turkish and probably several others) guarantee a secular state? - - MRG PS Stewart, have you got a good definition of theocracy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:03:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: I don't know why, I call him Gerald On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Carole Reichstein wrote: > ..I always get that Syd Barret song stuck in my head while riding my bike. > I don't remember the title, but the lyrics go.. > "I've got a bike you can ride it if you like it's got a bell and lots of > things to make it look good!" "It's got a basket a bell that rings and things to make it look good" Unsurprisingly, it's called 'Bike'. The only time I saw him perform it was at the otherworldly 'Games for May' concert at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in May 1967. The Floyd played their usual electric set - Pow R Toc H, Astronomy Domine, Interstellar Overdrive etc, but also included a new number, 'See Emily Play'. Then Syd and Roger sat down by a sort of camp in the middle of the stage and performed a short acoustic selection featuring 'Scarecrow' and 'Bike'. I can't remember whether they played 'The Gnome' as well, but they probably did. After that, they performed more abstract electronic stuff for the rest of the concert, including a number called 'Snowing'. The electronic bit at the end of 'Bike' gives an idea of what it sounded like. This was all before 'Emily and 'Piper' were released, so it was all completely unknown material. As far as I know, they never performed 'Emily' or 'Bike' live anywhere else. Surely someone, somewhere taped that concert? I'd give fifty quid for a copy. All right, seventy. - - Mike "Little Portly" Godwin PS Honiton Clyst. I think it's pronounced Hunnit'n, but I don't really speak Devonshire ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:27:51 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: chai tea There are several of these expressions that make me chuckle. Here are a few that come to mind: "Gimme sumdat there salsa sauce." Herein the requestor pronounces the first "a" in "salsa" like the one in "apple." Another fave is "Kin ah have some of yer soup du jour of the day." "That's a really nice vista view from up here." Sorry that's all I can thing-k of right now. Happies, - -Sharkboy "I don't want the soup du jour of the day, I had it yesterday an' it wunnanygood." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Bicycle Repairman, thank goodness you've come! (again) On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Sometimes, I receive messages twice. I'll get some messages and then 3 > or 4 days later, I'll get the same messages again. Why is this? > > Joel > Deja vu? E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Bicycle Repairman, thank goodness you've come! (again) On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Sometimes, I receive messages twice. I'll get some messages and then 3 > or 4 days later, I'll get the same messages again. Why is this? > > Joel > Deja vu? E ;-} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:50:44 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: a post about posts If they all have such delays I would suspect your service provider is messed up. Of course the fact that we all repeat ourselves is also a possibility. Happies, - -Markg If they all have such delays I would suspect your service provider is messed up. Of course the fact that we all repeat ourselves is also a possibility. Happies, - -Markg ... Joel Mullins on 06/17/99 11:54:56 PM Please respond to Joel Mullins Sent by: Joel Mullins To: fegmaniax@smoe.org cc: (Mark Gloster/HQ/3Com) Subject: a post about posts Sometimes, I receive messages twice. I'll get some messages and then 3 or 4 days later, I'll get the same messages again. Why is this? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Theocracy On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > This can't be correct. Theocracy translates as 'rule by gods' and we've > never had that in England (unless you count Mrs Thatcher). I suppose that > more loosely it means 'rule by the religious party' um, yes. much as 'meritocracy' is supposed to mean rule by the best, but actually means rule by those who others see as the best due to manipulation or personal bias or sterling reputation or who knows what. theocracy is rule by those who claim (and are for whatever reason believed) to know what god wants everyone to do. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:12:51 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: theocracy four episode lesbian wrote: > MC 900 Ft Jason R. Thornton rapped: > > >(45 idiot Democrats in the House voted FOR Theocracy today - yet another > >reason to vote third party next time around) > > my first thought when i heard about that was something along those lines, > but the more i thought about it, the less sure i am that i care all that > much. first, they didn't vote to allow the display of the ten commandments > -- they voted to allow the states to make this decision. yeah, not much > difference, but -- around new york city anwyays -- i don't expect the > tablets taking up residence in any public places (hey! reverse nimby!). > second, the reason stated for this vote was to "increase moral character". > somehow, i am not convinced that this is going to make a whit of difference > to the ethics of americans, so i am tempted to let them have their way and > laugh at the results. > > let the slippery slope debate commence. > > woj, bummed that he missed jeme Well, regardles, it still has to pass throught he Senate, and then not get vetoed by Clinton. I am sure the Senate will knock it down, and of coarse Clinton will veto it! eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:24:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Theocracy On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > (Please tell me it wasn't Anglican theocracy. We fought the revolutionary > > war to get away from that.) > >I suppose that > more loosely it means 'rule by the religious party' and the only time we > have come close to that was during the Commonwealth of 1649-1665. Sorry about that. Overestimated the importance of the King as head of the Anglican church. (If you're really nitpicky, being ruled by the head of a church ought to count as theocracy, but it doesn't since the he derives his power as head of church from being king, not vv.) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: I don't know why, I call him Gerald On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Surely someone, somewhere taped that concert? I'd give fifty quid for a > copy. I've been looking and have never seen a copy available anywhere in any format. If the bootleggers had it, they'd have released it by now and if the bootleggers don't have it, chances are no-one does. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:36:48 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Potentially Interesting Griffith Davies sed: > Check out www.rhinohandmade.com in august. Here is > what the page currently states: Yikes! I know where my next few paychecks are going. Maybe Rhino'll dust off some of those long-oop Wildman Fischer LPs for this project; I sure hope so. This has got to be one of the coolest things I've heard of in a long time. Another cool thing about that website is the sample from the Conet Numbers Station CD set they've got playing in the background (attn: Quail!). It's the second time I've heard something from that CD set appear somewhere else (the other place is at the end of the first song on the new Porcupine Tree album, "Stupid Dream.") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:37:50 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Theocracy >> This can't be correct. Theocracy translates as 'rule by gods' and we've >> never had that in England (unless you count Mrs Thatcher). I suppose that >> more loosely it means 'rule by the religious party' >theocracy is rule by those who claim (and are for whatever reason >believed) to know what god wants everyone to do. Exactly. Rule by gods would be a "deocracy", wouldn't it? Like "democracy" but without the "mmmmm." Personally I always thought that "theocracy" meant "rule by Matt Johnson and his band," but I'm often wrong about things. Even that would probably be an improvement over the current situation, though. John H. PS. I think there was a song called "Bike Boy" on Deborah Harry's godawful, yet still underrated, "Def Dumb & Blonde" album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Theocracy On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, JH3 wrote: > Personally I always thought that "theocracy" meant "rule by Matt > Johnson and his band," but I'm often wrong about things. Even that > would probably be an improvement over the current situation, though. wait, did i see the the The update on this list, or not? band signed to trent reznor's Nothing label, playing with MC 900 Foot Jesus's drummer, one song on the new album reportedly starting life as a 19-minute jam... i have no idea whether to look forward to this record or not. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Largo Tonight (18 June) Fegs, I just called Largo, Robyn is performing tonight. Unfortunately, they are sold out for dinner - if you go, you have to stand in the back (be sure to get there early). As for myself, I can't make it. I plan on drinking myself to oblivion for most of the weekend...... griffith _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:22:05 -0700 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: chai tea Well, americans are always tripping over foreign languages: I'd like that boeuf au jus with some gravy. I'm waiting to hear: I'd like the fettucini alfredo con brio. Or: I like the way Yoyo Ma plays that Chopin piece al dente. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com [mailto:Mark_Gloster@3com.com] > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 7:28 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: chai tea > > > > > There are several of these expressions that make me chuckle. > Here are a few that > come to mind: > > "Gimme sumdat there salsa sauce." Herein the requestor > pronounces the first "a" > in "salsa" like the one in "apple." > Another fave is "Kin ah have some of yer soup du jour of the day." > "That's a really nice vista view from up here." > > Sorry that's all I can thing-k of right now. > > Happies, > -Sharkboy > "I don't want the soup du jour of the day, I had it yesterday an' it > wunnanygood." > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:31:11 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Theocracy On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, JH3 wrote: > Exactly. Rule by gods would be a "deocracy", wouldn't it? Like "democracy" but > without the "mmmmm." Oh, we're getting into consonant shifts between Ancient and Modern Greek, are we? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:54:37 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Theocracy At 10:37 AM 6/18/99 -0500, JH3 wroted: >>> This can't be correct. Theocracy translates as 'rule by gods' and we've >>> never had that in England (unless you count Mrs Thatcher). I suppose that >>> more loosely it means 'rule by the religious party' > >>theocracy is rule by those who claim (and are for whatever reason >>believed) to know what god wants everyone to do. As my post failed to generate any of the Sean Lennon "gushing" or the Vote Third Party! rants that I hoped it would, I suppose I should enter into the definition discussion it did spawn. According to my Webster the Heathen's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, "theocracy" is "government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided." I suppose, in some people's eyes, this means the USA is ALREADY a theocracy, no matter how Congress votes on church-and-state issues. I've heard a number of people, quite seriously, suggest that the Constitution was "divinely inspired." Something online called the Catholic Encyclopedia has this to say about "theocracy": "Theocracy A form of civil government in which God himself is recognized as the head. The laws of the commonwealth are the commandments of God, and they are promulgated and expounded by the accredited representatives of the invisible Deity, real or supposed—generally a priesthood. Thus in a theocracy civic duties and functions form a part of religion, implying the absorption of the State by the Church or at least the supremacy of the latter over the State. The earliest recorded use of the term "theocracy" is found in Josephus, who apparently coins it in explaining to Gentile readers the organization of the Jewish commonwealth of his time. Contrasting this with other forms of government—monarchies, oligarchies, and republics—he adds: "Our legislator [Moses] had no regard to any of these forms, but he ordained our government to be what by a strained expression, may be termed a theocracy [theokratian], by ascribing the power and authority to God, and by persuading all the people to have a regard to him as the author of all good things" (Against Apion, book II, 16). In this connection Josephus enters into a long and rather rambling discussion of the topic, but the entire passage is instructive. " >Exactly. Rule by gods would be a "deocracy", wouldn't it? Like "democracy" but >without the "mmmmm." A deocracy sounds better than a DIOcracy, but no where near as good as a dial-a-ocracy. Let's move the discussion now to the word "morph." Isn't this like the completely WRONG term to use to describe real or illusionary shapeshifting? Wouldn't "meta" be better? - --Jason the "Tuna-whacker" Thornton (one of my earliest starfucking experiences was making Huey Lewis a sandwich) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #211 *******************************