From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #205 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, June 13 1999 Volume 08 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: He's dead, Jim! [Debora K ] Re: He's dead, Jim! ["Chris!" ] Fwd: [YouBetcha] O Brother, Where Art Thou? [Capitalism Blows ] Re: He's dead, Jim! [BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper)] Re: He's dead, Jim! [Debora K ] Re: He's dead, Jim! [Ethyl Ketone ] XTC, the La's [Joel Mullins ] Re: baffle me this [David Librik ] Re: which reminds me... [Capitalism Blows ] Re: He's dead, Jim! [Bayard ] Re: He's dead, Jim! [four episode lesbian ] Re: XTC, the La's [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Recidivism [Aaron Mandel ] Re: O Brother, Where Art Thou? [Eb ] Re: Recidivism [Ethyl Ketone ] RH tour dates/US [duplanet@global2000.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:51:10 -0700 From: Debora K Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! I'm a doctor, Spock, not an elevator!!! Bones was cool. RIP Vince ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:01:33 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! > > Bones was cool. > Was DeForest the only one of the major stars to not sell his identity to selling airline tickets, batteries, or what not?? I know Willie Shatner, James "Scotty" Whatever, and Lenny Neemoy did adverts. Although, I cannot remember the Spock adverts. Anyone? Or am I wrong about Lenny doing commercial spots? If DeForest did not do adds, perhaps death was a curse upon his dignity. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:16:22 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: Fwd: [YouBetcha] O Brother, Where Art Thou? i didn't even read but a coupla sentences, as i try to go into each coen flick with as little knowledge of it as possible. but in case eb's innerested... From: "Boost Ventilator" Reply-To: YouBetcha@onelist.com To: YOUBETCHA LIST Subject: [YouBetcha] O Brother, Where Art Thou? Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:28:00 -0300 From: "Boost Ventilator" > O Brother, Where Art Thou? > http://mrshowbiz.go.com/news/Todays_Stories/990610/showcon061099_2.html > A couple of months ago I vowed to score a copy of this, the latest Coen > Brothers script. About a month ago I did. O Brother, Where Art Thou? is > currently shooting in and around Jackson, Miss., with George Clooney in the > lead role. It's based on Homer's The Odyssey and set in the rural South of > the 1930s. Part slapstick, part fable, it's like a hayseed version of > Barton Fink. It's even got John Goodman as a salesman with a dark secret. > The story's about three escaped chain-gangers keeping a step or two ahead > of the law while trying to score some buried loot. Their leader is Ulysses > Everett McGill (Clooney), who, like Homer's mythical hero, is looking to > reunite with his wife (Holly Hunter) and three daughters and assume his > rightful position as "the damn paterfamilias." John Turturro plays one of > the other cons. > Over the course of their journey they run up against a cross-section of > mythical Deep South characters ‹ conniving county-seat politicians, black > blues singer "Tommy" Johnson (obviously meant to be Robert Johnson), > gangster Baby Face Nelson, some Ku Klux Klansmen, a radio deejay, a country > prophet, and a local-yokel posse complete with shotguns and hound dogs. > There's even a musical sequence or two. > The title, as I mentioned a few weeks ago, is the same that director John > L. Sullivan (Joel McCrea) wants to use for a bleeding-heart message picture > about man's inhumanity to man in Preston Sturges' 1941 classic Sullivan's > Travels. The chain-gang, bum-on-the-lam idea was derived from the final > quarter of the film, in which Sullivan finds some rough going as a hobo, > and then as a chain-gang worker. > O Brother, Where Art Thou? is pure flavor. Joel and Ethan Coen's dialogue > sings with backwoods idiom and alliteration. It's classic Americana ‹ > funny, outlandish, occasionally surreal ‹ re-imagined as myth. There's > never been a Coen Brothers film I haven't at least somewhat liked. I can't > imagine O Brother Where Art Thou? not being, if nothing else, amusing. It > may wind up operating on levels I can barely foresee. All I know is that > the script is self-aware and all of a piece. - -- Iain Kenneth MacLeod mailto:boostventilator@bigfoot.com http://www.bigfoot.com/~boostventilator - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Special offer from The Science Fiction Book Club®! Take 5 Star Wars® books for just $1, with membership. Many choices! Go to http://www.onelist.com/ad/doubleday6 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:22:59 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: baffle me this fascinating, scathing, article about the demise of punk rock in the current Baffler. i do have to admit that, while it's still very good, this new ish isn't up to its recent standards. still, *always* worth checking out. . TROPICAL DEPRESSION ONE ADVISORY NO. 1 FOR 5 PM AST FRI JUN 11 FIRST TROPICAL DEPRESSION OF THE SEASON FORMS SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA ... NO IMMEDIATE THREAT TO LAND ... KEN "If you only read one UFO book this year, this should be the one" THE KENSTER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:45:50 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! >Was DeForest the only one of the major stars to not sell his identity >to selling airline tickets, batteries, or what not?? I don't ever recall him ever doing any advertisements. >I know Willie Shatner, James "Scotty" Whatever, and Lenny Neemoy did >adverts. Although, I cannot remember the Spock adverts. Anyone? Or am >I wrong about Lenny doing commercial spots? Leonard Nimoy never did any commercials, but he has hosted several television specials on Star Trek. Walter Koenig has done a commercial for GNP/Crescendo Records on TV to sell Star Trek soundtracks. George Takei has hosted Sci-Fi Channel's "Trek Marathon." Nichelle Nichols hasn't done anything, to my knowledge. Has anyone seen William Shatner's take on "Seven" on MTV recently? Hilarious. >If DeForest did not do adds, perhaps death was a curse upon his >dignity. Puhleeze! Who can blame them for cashing-in on the characters that they gave their faces to? Obviously, you're unaware of all of the years in which Paramount's marketing department made millions of dollars from Star Trek merchandise bearing the likenesses of the characters without any royalties ever paid to their owners. But thanks to the likes of Shatner, Nimoy, and Doohan, all of the actors from subsequent shows have been given nice checks because Paramount was called on it. I'm honestly saddened to discover DeForest Kelley's death. However, I was aware that he was not in the best of health. On another note, I caught the new Austin Powers tonight. Very entertaining. Probably the highlight was Jerry Springer's cameo as well as the cameos from everyone ranging from John Goodman to Willie Nelson. Probably the most annoying parts were centered around "Mini-Me." Go see it! Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:05:04 -0700 From: Debora K Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! >I know Willie Shatner, James "Scotty" Whatever, and Lenny Neemoy did >adverts. Although, I cannot remember the Spock adverts. Anyone? Or am >I wrong about Lenny doing commercial spots? I don't recall Nimoy cashing in on his Spock character to do any adverts, but I'm damn sure I recognized his voice on a car commercial. Anyone ever get a hold of Nimoy's record? I'd love to hear it. Vince the Star Trek Nerd ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:45:12 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! At 1.45 AM -0700 6/12/99, Brett Cooper wrote: Obviously, you're unaware of all of the years in >which Paramount's marketing department made millions of dollars from Star >Trek merchandise bearing the likenesses of the characters without any >royalties ever paid to their owners. As someone who has worked on more than one Star Trek game, let me tell you what a hard nose Paramount is about their license - Star Trek. No matter if TNG, Original or other spin -offs, you godamm better make sure the phaser if correct, the interface matches the original look & feel and that all the psuedo-science is correct... No Easter eggs unless you are very, very good. They hold that license very dear. RIP damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a Marketeer.... - - c "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com carrieg@blueplanetsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 04:37:45 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: XTC, the La's XTC's 'River Of Orchids' Goes To The Ballet June 11, 1999, 12:50 pm PT Rock bands have seen their songs turned into elevator music via Muzak; they've had them symphonically reworked via full-on orchestras, and even performed to laser light shows. But performed to choreographed dance by a ballet company? That's just what noted dance choreographer Neta Pulvermacher has cooked up with XTC. Pulvermacher, who studied dance in Israel before attending Julliard School of Dance and has worked with John Zorn and the Jazz Passengers, will debut a dance piece choreographed to XTC's "River of Orchids" from Apple Venus Vol. 1 (released early this year on TVT Records) this weekend in Cleveland. The piece will be performed on Saturday (June 12) and Sunday (June 13) at Halle Theater, and will return on June 19 at the Paul Daum Theater in Akron, Ohio. According to a spokesperson for TVT, Pulvermacher is also working on creating dance pieces for all 11 songs on the album. The idea originated in February, when Pulvermacher met XTC mastermind Andy Partridge at a photo shoot in New York. The two got to talking about the idea, Partridge was receptive, and Pulvermacher got to work on it right away, according to the spokesperson. Meanwhile, TVT is working the second single from Apple Venus titled "Greenman," while Partridge and Co. are hard at work wiring their studio to begin working on Apple Venus Vol. 2. The second installment probably won't surface until early 2000. To check out "Greenman" go to www.tvtrecords.com/artists_page_links/ xtc_frameset.html. -- Carrie Borzillo ======================================================================== Sixpence None The Richer Cover The La's June 11, 1999, 2:15 pm PT Sixpence None the Richer, currently enjoying national adulation from the sugar-sweet single "Kiss Me," have recorded a cover of the La’s 1990 hit "There She Goes" for their next single. The band has been playing the song live for over a year now and various acoustic versions have been floating around the airwaves for quite some time. The official studio version, however, will ship to radio on June 29. The band will debut the song on national television on a July 6 with an appearance on the Late Show with David Letterman. Also, all future pressings of the band’s self-titled debut will include the studio version of "There She Goes." In the meantime, you can catch the Texan trio on the Lilith Fair tour from July 8-17 (allstar, April 27). -- Kevin Raub ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:51:19 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: baffle me this eddie wrote: >fascinating, scathing, article about the demise of punk rock in the current >Baffler. >i do have to admit that, while it's still very good, this new ish isn't up >to its recent standards. still, *always* worth checking out. > >. The Baffler is one of the most insightful and incisive magazines I've ever read. I started reading it several years ago, with issue #7, and their articles on "Edge City Boosterism," the religion of the market, the scary psychology of multi-level marketing, and even Tom Frank's short history of Kansas City and its suburbs have all made me think in new and clearer ways about the country I live in and its struggle between social democracy and the "war of all against all." But in nearly every issue they have some dreadful, pissy little rant in which one hip cultural critic criticizes another hip cultural critic for not being hip enough. And the worst of these come from the Baffler's former role as a Chicago indie-noise-rock fanzine. One cringeworthy editorial in issue #6 -- reprinted in the collection of essays _Commodify Your Dissent_ (a whole lot more readable than its title suggests) -- ends with Tom Frank contrasting the commercial mainstream music industry with his "authentic" little scene of noise fans, whom he characterizes as a subversive guerrilla army that The Man will never understand and never co-opt. Uh huh. And "Rockerdammerung," the article eddie describes, is more of the same. In it we learn about "indie rock," defined essentially as political punk and the noise-rock that supposedly followed from it, vs. "alternative," defined as WORTHLESS CORPORATE ROCK SELLOUTS!! Huge and significant swaths of what was actually happening in independent/"alternative" music in the '80s are ignored (how can you write a whole article and not mention R.E.M.??) while obscure bands are vaunted for their "project" of demolishing rock music. If the only worthwhile task for independent music is shouting "fuck you!" to audiences and the rest of Rock, where does that leave our favorite "indie" artist -- you know, the one who spent ten years releasing records on Slash, Armageddon, Midnight Music, Radar, Two Crabs, Glass Fish, etc.? For an example of what the Baffler does right, here is a passage from "The Cultural Miracle," in issue #8. (Subtitle: "Fatima, Lourdes, Nasdaq") If the characteristic political maneuver of the Cultural Miracle is a Buchananesque transformation of inchoate public resentment of business depredations into support for pro-business policies, its characteristic intellectual maneuver is even more counterintuitive: endless lessons in the esoteric logic by which the uncoupling of the economy from the public well-being should prompt us not to get angry, but to reconcile ourselves to the wisdom of the market. The cover story of the January 8 issue of _Newsweek_, a choice bit of pseudo- history penned by journalist Robert Samuelson, offers a useful glimpse of the mental processes of the Cultural Miracle in action. Things _have_ goten worse for ordinary people in the last few years, the pundit admits. But the problem is not business ("what we today call `the market,'" Samuelson notes in a pious aside) -- it's us. All these years we've been thinking about things wrong, expecting too much, waltzing irresponsibly through an "Age of Entitlement" during which we believed the prosperity was somehow our right. Most importantly, we never understood "the market" correctly: for years we thought of it as a big "machinery" that we could correct and control. Ah, the folly of yesteryear! Now we know better, Samuelson smugs. The market is not a tool for human advance, but an elementary and irrational force of nature, a "vast river" that floods and recedes, and over which we can exert no control. But it's a well-meaning deity, if its ways seem whimsical: when it fires people, puts others on twelve-hour shifts, and smashes wage scales, we must remember that it is acting in the best possible interests of all, that "the process can be harsh and crude, and although some suffer, more benefit." Our response to these petty misfortunes should not be to challenge the market's omnipotence, but to reconcile ourselves to its overarching wisdom. And there is a long litany of lessons that we must re-learn as we humble ourselves, do our penance, and prepare to resume the path "toward reality" that was forsaken after World War II: everything from shopworn notions about "human nature" (you know, that basic acquisitive urge that never, ever, ever changes) to the entrepreneur-worship of Tom Peters to the fundamental tenets of the new apostle's creed: Government cannot help and must stop trying; if we're poor, it's our own fault. ... More importantly, there are a few historical facts that we must forget. We must not think about where we came up with this mistaken social system in the first place: apparently it just happened one day after World War II when that abstract and irresponsible entity, Big Government, started promising people things. Above all we must not remember that social change happened because people organized themselves in unions, co-operatives, and political parties and _made_ them happen; that the non-rich once had power because they _took_ power. Enough ... read the whole thing, in _Commodify Your Dissent_. But skip the punk rock rants. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:29:43 PDT From: Capitalism Blows Subject: Re: which reminds me... ever read donaldson's Gap series? the conclusion was disappointing. so much so, in fact, that i wrote him and told him as much. he wrote back and said that, while he appreciated my concern, he could honestly say that he did the best he could with the resources he had to work with (presumably meaning his imagination). my chief concern had been that the conclusion was achingly predictable, but he (somewhat patronizingly, i thought) determined that i'd been confusing predictability ("which is a bad thing") with inevitability ("which is not"). anyhow, the middle three books are about as good as fiction --science or otherwise-- can get. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Brett Cooper wrote: > Leonard Nimoy never did any commercials, but he has hosted several > television specials on Star Trek. Walter Koenig has done a commercial for > GNP/Crescendo Records on TV to sell Star Trek soundtracks. George Takei > has hosted Sci-Fi Channel's "Trek Marathon." Nichelle Nichols hasn't done > anything, to my knowledge. she had a guest spot "as herself" on a show called, iirc, "head of the class". i dreamed eddie came to town for a semisonic show this morning! =b "captain's log - note: hire more guys in red shirts" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:19:53 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: Re: He's dead, Jim! MC 900 Ft Tom Clark rapped: >People have been waiting years to send that email, with that subject line. but shouldn't it be, "i'm dead, jim!"? +w ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:44:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: XTC, the La's On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > light shows. But > performed to > choreographed dance > by a ballet company? That's just what noted > dance choreographer Neta Pulvermacher has > cooked up with XTC. and what has happened to a lot of songs (mostly by The Fall) at the hands of the Michael Clarke Ballet, though i hear the "ballet" in their name is not always descriptive. hell, two of their settings were even for highly visible music videos (New Order's "True Faith" and Fine Young Cannibals' "She Drives Me Crazy", shown back to back without comment on M2 the other night -- as were "Tusk" and a Night Ranger song called "Don't Tell Me You Love Me"). a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Recidivism On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Eb wrote: > JAZ disk (huh...never heard of that format before) you probably know this now, but i think it's basically a competitor to Zip drives that mostly gave up the fight a year or two ago. > Eb, a bit grumbly about the complete lack of "where ya been?" emails > in his box hey, you posted a pretty comprehensive advance warning about your impending computer problems. but welcome back. > Frogpond they're still around? i don't know why i remember their previous album at all, but they didn't seem like the sort of act that would get to make another. > the Bevis Frond. how do you feel about his others? i like the standard Nick Saloman song template not quite enough to really want most of his records, but i do think the writing is better on some. really liked Son Of Walter, for instance. aaron n.p. shelf full of bargain bin releases liberated from Amoeba Records for some absurdly low price ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:45:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: O Brother, Where Art Thou? >i didn't even read but a coupla sentences, as i try to go into each coen >flick with as little knowledge of it as possible. but in case eb's >innerested... Hrm. That plot structure sure sounds overly familiar for the Coens...doesn't fill me with much anticipation. And the usual film-buff pastiche overtones...blah. And George Clooney? I dunno about that. Eb, amused to hear that the Coens list is called "You Betcha" :) now pruning: Michelle Shocked ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:42:41 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Recidivism At 12.50 PM -0700 6/12/99, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Eb wrote: >> JAZ disk (huh...never heard of that format before) > >you probably know this now, but i think it's basically a competitor to Zip >drives that mostly gave up the fight a year or two ago. Jaz drives are made by the same company that makes Zip drives - Iomega (gee, I wish I had bought their stock a few years ago). They hold 1GB of data, not 100MBs like a zip. I have both and my zip just started the "click of death" with each disk inserted. My Jaz drive keeps on humming however. Hadda say som't'in'. - - c "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com carrieg@blueplanetsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:56:17 +0100 From: duplanet@global2000.net Subject: RH tour dates/US ROBYN HITCHCOCK Dates w/ Flaming Lips / Sebadoh "Music Against Brain Degeneration" Tour 7/13/99 Pontiac, MI Karma 7/14/99 Cincinnati, OH Bogart's 7/15/99 Columbus, OH Newport Music Hall 7/16/99 Pontiac, MI Clutch Cargo's 7/17/99 Chicago, IL Metro 7/18/99 Chicago, IL Metro 7/19/99 Minneapolis, MN First Avenue 7/20/99 Minneapolis, MN First Avenue 7/23/99 Seatle, WA Showbox 7/24/99 Seattle, WA Showbox 7/25/99 Portland, OR Roseland Theater 2nd half of the tour has not been sent to me yet ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #205 *******************************