From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #197 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Why do I always have to be the one... ["Capitalism Blows" ] Shel Silverstein [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Why do I always have to be the one... [Joel Mullins ] Hurricanes (was Re: "bumpershoot") [mrrunion@palmnet.net] Re: Why do I always have to be the one... [overbury@cn.ca] I want to be an anglepoise phone [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Hurricanes (just musing) [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: I want to be an anglepoise phone [overbury@cn.ca] RE: Big Howard in my back yard (and the end of the Kosovo thread) ["Partr] Calling Mr. Cooper [g ] robyn dream, real quick like that ["Capitalism Blows" ] 95% robyn content -- answers to questions...or questions to answer ;-} [] Re: robyn dream, real quick like that [Aaron Mandel ] Re: lips [Insomnboy@aol.com] Re: lips [Joel Mullins ] slayter-kinney / vpn / the dog & pony show [four episode lesbian ] Re: robyn dream, real quick like that [John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Why do I always have to be the one... < >And I want to take this moment to say that I love everyone >one of you very much. I mean, technically, this could be taken to mean that while Joel loves everyone to at least some extent, he only loves *one* of us "very much." It all depends on whether the typographical error is an extra word, or a missing comma.> it has to be the missing comma. because if it were an extra word, then it would had to have been phrased, "i love every one of you very much". see, with "every one" as two words rather than one. therfore... my money's on eb. KEN "My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove" THE KENSTER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:39:27 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "bumpershoot" FUCK YEAH! i say we set up a permanent encampment outside the two bells. yeah, we'd sign up for shifts. we'd have to have some means of giving off smoke signals, and then we'd be set. i'm glad it's on monday. in other words, that he *won't* be opening for r.e.m. is there any reason why Storefront shouldn't be screened as well? none that i can think of. by the way, i always figured it was "dr. j. hamilton" rather than "dr. jay hamilton". for what it's worth. you wouldn't believe how much it feels like september out right now! i am just loving life. windy, rainy, chilly, even a bit of a fog. beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! at any rate, happy first day of hurricane season, everybody! oh, hold on. let me check, really quick... ...well i'll be damned if they're not issuing advisories yet. but here are the names for this year's atlantic storms: • Arlene • Bret • Cindy • Dennis • Emily • Floyd • Gert • Harvey • Irene • Jose • Katrina • Lenny • Maria • Nate • Ophelia • Philippe • Rita • Stan • Tammy • Vince • Wilma KEN "Hopping is a viable form of robot motility" THE KENSTER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:22:52 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Shel Silverstein I just remembered at the weekend that I used to play Marianne Faithfull's version of 'Ballad of Lucy Jordan' over and over again, week in, week out. I don't know whether it was the song, or the spine-tingling performance, or even the synth programming (Steve Winwood, possibly?), but I though it was great. Shel Silverstein deserves credit for this song, anyhow. - - Mike Godwin PS Maybe I was 37 at the time! Must go now, the operator keeps saying 40c more for the next 5 minutes ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:05:33 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Why do I always have to be the one... Capitalism Blows wrote: > > < >And I want to take this moment to say that I love everyone > >one of you very much. > > I mean, technically, this could be taken to mean that while Joel > loves everyone to at least some extent, he only loves *one* of > us "very much." It all depends on whether the typographical error > is an extra word, or a missing comma.> > > it has to be the missing comma. because if it were an extra word, then it > would had to have been phrased, "i love every one of you very much". see, > with "every one" as two words rather than one. therfore... Actually, I was pretty drunk when I wrote that, so any analysis of my writing would have to take that into consideration. > > > my money's on eb. Though I do love Eb for his insightful comments, even though our opinions sometimes differ, and for his love of Spiritualized, I can't say that I love him anymore than I love the rest of you. Sorry. Try again. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:08:34 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Kramer *** Remains may belong to rock musician MALIBU, Calif. (AP) - Human remains found inside the wreckage of a minivan that plunged down a 200-foot ravine may be those of a rock musician missing since 1995, police said. The 1993 Ford Aerostar matches the description of a van driven by onetime Iron Butterfly bass player Philip "Taylor" Kramer, who was believed to be driving his van when he disappeared Feb. 12, 1995. The remains were being examined by coroner's investigators Sunday, authorities said. A hiker in the ravine discovered the skeleton Saturday but investigators were not able to recover the vehicle until daylight, said Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Bruce Thomas. Kramer, who was 42 when he disappeared, was last seen leaving his Thousand Oaks-area home to pick up a friend at Los Angeles International Airport. See ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:25 +0000 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Hurricanes (was Re: "bumpershoot") Capitalism Blows wrote: > the names for this year's atlantic storms: > • Arlene > • Bret > • Cindy > • Dennis > • Emily > • Floyd > • Gert > • Harvey > • Irene > • Jose > • Katrina > • Lenny > • Maria > • Nate > • Ophelia > • Philippe > • Rita > • Stan > • Tammy > • Vince > • Wilma "Emily" & "Floyd"...hmmm. "Dennis" & "Katrina"...double hmmm. Mike "wondering which one will hit here" Runion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:27:09 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Why do I always have to be the one... > < >And I want to take this moment to say that I love everyone > >one of you very much. > > I mean, technically, this could be taken to mean that while Joel > loves everyone to at least some extent, he only loves *one* of > us "very much." It all depends on whether the typographical error > is an extra word, or a missing comma.> > > it has to be the missing comma. because if it were an extra word, then it > would had to have been phrased, "i love every one of you very much". see, > with "every one" as two words rather than one. therfore... C'mon! This is a classic case of the same word being typed twice, twice, once at the end of a line and again at the beginning of of the following line. I didn't even notice it was in the original original when I first read it. Just as classic is the male reaction to Joel's comment. Drop the facade guys; it's time for a group hug! PS: What's an Anglophone? I'm English!!! PPS: I'm doing plenty of RH-related stuff off-line. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:47:50 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: I want to be an anglepoise phone On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > PS: What's an Anglophone? I'm English!!! You know an anglepoise lamp? It's like that, only with a telephone receiver instead of a lightbulb, so you can set it to speak with your head placed at any convenient level of tilt. :-) - - Mike Godwin PS Tape to follow soon, Ross! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:43:33 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Hurricanes (just musing) >> the names for this year's atlantic storms: >> ï Ophelia, etc. I think the rest of the names list should read: Bernardo Claudius Fortinbras Gertrude Guildenstern Hamlet Horatio Laertes Marcellus Osric Polonius Reynaldo Rosencrantz Next years list should start with, say, Lear or MacBeth... It'd be interesting to measure the storms by the name, say the Claudius storm is more trecherous than the Polonius. The Laertes storm is really a tempest in a teacup... Just stalling before heading off to work. - - Carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com carrieg@blueplanetsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:00:37 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: I want to be an anglepoise phone > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 overbury@cn.ca wrote: > > PS: What's an Anglophone? I'm English!!! > > You know an anglepoise lamp? It's like that, only with a telephone > receiver instead of a lightbulb, so you can set it to speak with your head > placed at any convenient level of tilt. :-) Would the push-button version be a pressed anglophone, then? - -- Ross "Colour Out of Space" Overbury ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:34:40 -0700 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: Big Howard in my back yard (and the end of the Kosovo thread) > yes. i must say, johnboy, your post actually pissed me off > quite a bit. > but i'll leave it at that. > Ah, the blessing of self-restraint. May it flourish. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: g Subject: Calling Mr. Cooper If Bret Cooper is still on the list, would he mind contacting me privately? I was interested in finding some Alice Cooper memorabilia for a friend. Cheers! - -Glen- "There are two ways to get enough. One is to accumulate more. The other is to desire less." --G.K. Chesterton Glen Uber | uberg@sonic.net | http://www.sonic.net/~uberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:35:55 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: robyn dream, real quick like that well, sort of, anyway. i dreamed i was at work, pouring a glass of blush from an 18-litre bag-in-the-box. the bag ran out, and i went to open the box, to extract the bag. the flaps are glued together very tightly on those things, so you have to pry them open with a butter knife ("churi" in urdu) if you want to complete the task in anything under three weeks. so, i started doing this, and, somehow all the lettering on the box ended up in the wine glass, and it spelt out a sentence about robyn. so i blew in the glass, and the letters rearranged themselves to spell out another sentence about robyn. and i did it three or four more times, each with the same result. unfortunately, i can't remember specifically what any of the sentences said. however, they all seemed to have to do with robyn being in some manner of trouble. like, he was going to be arrested, or something. (yikes!) anyhow, that was about it. hey, didn't some of you see sleater-kinney live in concert last week? how was it? KEN "By the way, as bad as it is to *eat* this stuff, it is FAR worse to smoke it" THE KENSTER http://leb.net/iac/ http://www.beograd.com Who gets the benefit of this war? The bondseekers, the capitalists, the railroads will profit by this war. The new bonds give the basis for new banks and their power is prolonged. The privileged classes all benefit by this war. It takes the attention off economic issues and perpetuates the unjust system they have put upon us. Politicians profit by the war. It buries the issues they dare not meet. What do the people get out of this war? The fighting and the taxes. What is the United States doing in this war in the first place? True, Spain is oppressing Cuba. But so is England oppressing Egypt, Ireland and India. France is oppressing Siam and Madagascar. Turkey is oppressing Armenia. Should we then take up arms against all the oppressors of the world? We would most likely end by becoming oppressors ourselves. The Spaniards and Cubans were bushwhacking one another and killing from three to five men at a battle. We have gone down there and killed more in three months than they have killed in 13 years. If they were starving before the war, who will feed them after the war? What are we going to get out of this war as a nation? Endless troubles, complications, expense. Republics can not go into the conquering business and remain republics. Militarism leads to military domination, to military despotism. Imperialism smoothes the way for the emperor. --Tom Watson, Governor of Georgia, 1898 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:45:39 -0400 From: **twofangs** {randi} Subject: 95% robyn content -- answers to questions...or questions to answer ;-} Hi all :-} I decided to come home from the hospital 'cause I was still just lying around in ER. I'd may as well come home and at least sleep in my own bed. So, someone was wondering about the pic and the *official website* --I got some info -- can't repeat all of it....but here goes... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't know who is depicted in the courtesy picture -- but when I speak to Robyn later on, I'll ask him..and let you know. Best wishes and good heath Rand, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay -- exerpts from a snail mail letter In answer to how David became the Museum Director, it's because I was familiar with his ongoing work... The Duplex Planet. When the idea for both a website and a means by which to sell product in the US came up, I thought of David, as The Duplex Planet in its various forms - magazine, books, comics, CDs, etc- is something he has available via mail order. He did a show in NYC in June, we were there at the time, we came to the show and we spent some time together discussing it and came away thinking this would work out fine indeed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I hope this answers some feg questions....I'm sorry I had to pick and choose information, but...it's kinda like being a reporter...I have my sources :-} And for all I know they could be listening ;-} In any case it gave me an excuse to get of bed and on to the computer. Now -- question from me -- does anyone know where I can find the lyrics to XTC's Apple Venus? I tried , which is the main search engine I use...but all that came up were `x-rated sites' I know I'm being lazy in asking for help, but I'm tired and I really need a nap. fading back to yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi *what scares you most will set you free* - Robyn {I'll send an email to the list as soon as I know about hospital stuff} ************************************************* * Ms. Randi L. Spiegel * Associate Producer/Director * The Revolver Film Company / The Partners Film Company * Suite 1603 * 200 Balliol Ave. * Toronto, Ontario, Canada * 1 - {416} 440-1309 * ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: robyn dream, real quick like that On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > KEN "By the way, as bad as it is to *eat* this stuff, it is FAR worse to > smoke it" THE KENSTER i thought eddie's name was eddie. is something weird going on here? a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:34:28 -0500 From: "bret" Subject: Re: Hurricanes (was Re: "bumpershoot") >Capitalism Blows wrote: >> the names for this year's atlantic storms: >> • Arlene >> • Bret >> • Cindy >> • Dennis >> • Emily >> • Floyd >> • Gert >> • Harvey >> • Irene >> • Jose >> • Katrina >> • Lenny >> • Maria >> • Nate >> • Ophelia >> • Philippe >> • Rita >> • Stan >> • Tammy >> • Vince >> • Wilma > >"Emily" & "Floyd"...hmmm. >"Dennis" & "Katrina"...double hmmm. AHHHH am I ever glad I moved away from the right coast. - --Bret ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:40:20 EDT From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: lips In a message dated 5/25/99 Joel sed: > What about Hit To Death in the Future Head? That's the best Flaming > Lips album in my opinion. And Eb's right about the Lips being a great > live band. I've only seen them once, but it was fantastic. I agree about Hit To Death. And yes, the Lips are AMAZING live. I saw them on the Transmissions tour & it was one of the most surreal, yet rocking (and LOUD) shows I had seen in a long time. They had literally thousands of chasing xmas lights arranged in patterns all over & behind the stage. Plus a bubble machine that ran through the entire show. Actually, it would have been nice if they had turned off the bubble machine at some point cause after about an hour my eyes were burning & my beer tasted like soap........ Long time no post. I've been really busy the last coupla months & haven't had time for the feglist. I'm sorry about that. I'm glad to hear that Randi's doing OK though. Russell in LA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:06:17 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: lips Insomnboy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/25/99 Joel sed: > > > What about Hit To Death in the Future Head? That's the best Flaming > > Lips album in my opinion. And Eb's right about the Lips being a great > > live band. I've only seen them once, but it was fantastic. > > I agree about Hit To Death. And yes, the Lips are AMAZING live. I saw them on > the Transmissions tour & it was one of the most surreal, yet rocking (and > LOUD) shows I had seen in a long time. They had literally thousands of > chasing xmas lights arranged in patterns all over & behind the stage. Plus a > bubble machine that ran through the entire show. Actually, it would have been > nice if they had turned off the bubble machine at some point cause after > about an hour my eyes were burning & my beer tasted like soap........ Yes! That's the tour I saw them on and the x-mas lights were fantastic! I don't remember there being a bubble machine though. Either they didn't have one at that show, or I just forgot about it. Either way, it was my favorite light show until I saw Spiritualized in '97. They did things I never dreamed were possible. The light show was so crazy and I was so stoned that it made me sick and I had to go outside for a little bit and get some fresh air. I was absolutely spinning. The moral is that you don't need drugs at a Spiritualized show. By the way, I downloaded an MP3 from the new Flaming Lips album and it sounds great! Has anyone heard an advanced copy? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:31:47 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: slayter-kinney / vpn / the dog & pony show eddie, of course, is right that some of us east coast yahoos got to see sleater-kinney last week. hadn't had a chance to post about it until now though. they played two shows in new york -- saturday night and sunday afternoon. the saturday show had sold out before i had a chance to pick up tickets, so some friends and i planned for the sunday show. dunno what the deal with the matinee was -- it may have made some sense back in march when the show was originally planned before the back-throwing incident, but it was somewhat odd for a holiday weekend in may which turned out to be rather warm. it felt rather odd standing outside irving plaza sweating in the broad daylight, but we managed. at first, i thought that it was a mite too early to rock, but they seemed quite capable of dishing out 60some minutes of fast-paced tunes before dinner. they dredged out some old songs -- "be yr mama" was one of the encores, played a bunch of new ones -- both from _the hot rock_ and newly written, and played the fantastic "tapping", an extra track from the "get up" single. call me a dupe of the hype, but i thought they were great. you know, i'm still mystified by the throwing muses dismissal that gnat gave s-k. i guess i understand where she's coming from, but there are enough differences to warrant a rebuttal. throwing muses was (and is, despite the dropping of the name) the kristin hersh show, where she extruded her psyche into musical form. tanya donnelly just provided a second guitar and the occasional song. sleater-kinney seems to be a more collaborative effort between corin and carrie where they play off each others' guitars and voices. nevermind the social and political differences or that s-k is more rawk than the muses ever were when tanya was around. the muses, of course, stepped it up after tanya left, but they were still never were about rocking out as much as about rhythm overload. ah well, maybe i just think about this stuff too much... sarah dougher (cadalica) and mary timony (autoclave, helium, etc.) opened. sarah's set was on guitar and was mostly reflective ballads on life. nice, but not too engaging -- though her deconstruction of the eagles' "take it to the limit" was brilliant. mary timony's set was disappointingly inconsistent. she was joined by christina files (ex-however-briefly of swirlies) on drums. when mary was sticking to guitar, everything was really nice (in her own sweet atonal way), but she broke her stride by switching to viola and keyboards during the middle of the set and lost all her momentum. if anyone's interested, i taped mary timony and sleater-kinney. both came out well except that the levels -- despite being set way down -- are very hot and there is some pretty bad tearing in the right channel. in other news, i also saw very pleasant neighbor and the dog and pony show at the mercury lounge last wednesday. vpn is a new york band who have one album out (_small wire_ which has the honor of being ehhhhhed by Eb!). dissonant indie rock that is neither sardonic or slackish. i might even call them exuberent. this was the first time i've seem 'em play, but not for lack of trying. i think they're swell and i think doug would think them swell as well. maybe aaron too, but dunno about the rest of you. the dog and pony show is, more or less, what used to be kittywinder: stephanie giorgio and christine lee plus a few other fellows (including the bassist from shudder to think who looks completely out-of-place with the rest of them). basically, if you liked kittywinder, you'll dig the dog and pony show (who, alas, have dropped the much cooler name "honeycreeper"). if you don't know what kittywinder was like, think curiously melodic guitar rhythms, not unlike tsunami with more of an edge, i suppose. the dog and pony show have yet to release anything, but it can only be a matter of time. also solas last thursday, but who gives a flip about irish-american trad? woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: slayter-kinney / vpn / the dog & pony show On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, four episode lesbian wrote: > vpn is a new york band who have one album out (_small wire_ which has > the honor of being ehhhhhed by Eb!). dissonant indie rock that is > neither sardonic or slackish. i might even call them exuberent. this > was the first time i've seem 'em play, but not for lack of trying. i > think they're swell and i think doug would think them swell as well. > maybe aaron too, but dunno about the rest of you. i'm guessing this is the same Very Pleasant Neighbor who my freshman roommate tried to get me into. my faded memory is that the CD they had out back then sounded like the worst parts of Laurie Anderson and King Missile put together. (don't hold me to that.) no doubt time has changed them. anyway, there is at least that one other album. a things i was not in SF at quite the right time for: Storefront Hitchcock at the Red Vic Theater, Old 97s show, Pete Krebs of Hazel, Ben Katchor documentary... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: lips On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > By the way, I downloaded an MP3 from the new Flaming Lips album and it > sounds great! Has anyone heard an advanced copy? nope, sorry... the advance copy i got is downright primitive, at least when it comes to packaging. and there's no multimedia on the disc or nanotechnology or anything. um, i'll post something about the music once i've had time to listen to it. am currently dealing with a 70-disc backlog from my west coast trip. most disappointing so far is an EP by Pal Shazar (ex-Slow Children). considering the voracity with which i was pulling things out of the clearance bins at Amoeba Records, i seem to have done pretty well. anyway. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: robyn dream, real quick like that Aaron- I think it's a David Lynch thing. Sometimes he's Eddie, but sometimes his spirit departs and inhabits Ken's body, like for taping gigs in Boston and stuff. =jbj= On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > > > KEN "By the way, as bad as it is to *eat* this stuff, it is FAR worse to > > smoke it" THE KENSTER > > i thought eddie's name was eddie. is something weird going on here? > > a > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:21:45 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: robyn dream, real quick like that At 10.42 PM -0700 6/1/99, John Barrington Jones wrote: >I think it's a David Lynch thing. Sometimes he's Eddie, but sometimes his >spirit departs and inhabits Ken's body, like for taping gigs in Boston and >stuff. No,please don't bring that mysoginist filmaker into this list... ...wondering about the Kenster myself - - c - the one with strong opinons about filmaking... Be Seeing You. "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com carrieg@blueplanetsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: 95% robyn content -- answers to questions...or questions to answer ;-} Hi Rand! Try this link for the lyrics: http://www.chalkhills.org/lyrics/AppleVenusV1.html Sadly, two of my favorite sites, www.lyrics.ch and www.lyrics.net are currently "in transition" =b ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #197 *******************************