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fegmaniax-digest         Friday, May 28 1999         Volume 08 : Number 193



                               Today's Subjects:
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  re: Vivien vs. NASDAQ, etc.                     [Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>]
  Re: Howard's End                  [Terrence M Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>]
  Re: Howard's End            [Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>]
  Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair                       [Debora K <zolarox@juno.com>]
  Re: Democrassy.                    ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Howard's End                   ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Howard's End                   ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair        ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Howard's End                          [Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>]
  Sturm und drang                  ["Partridge, John" <jpartridge@accel.com>]
  Re: Sturm und drang (und joe und ed und ex)  [Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.]
  Re: Howard's End                  [Terrence M Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>]
  Re: Sturm und drang                          [Tom Clark <tclark@apple.com>]
  Re: Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair  [Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu]
  Big Howard in my back yard (and the end of the Kosovo thread)  [Christophe]
  Re: Howard's End            [Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>]
  Just Deserts                        [Ethyl Ketone <meketone@ix.netcom.com>]
  Re: Just Deserts                              [Bayard <walden@eclipse.net>]
  spoken word cd! (caution: Robyn content)  [John Barrington Jones <psu23447]

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:06:06 -0800
From: Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>
Subject: re: Vivien vs. NASDAQ, etc.

>> the truth is, i reoky from my job!  Ne'ertheless, I too will endevor to
>be brioo st in a slower, qter fashion.  What the bombing
>*is* re
>> why aren'at turketal occupations of east timor
>> and palestine need to be stopped?  the death ico and colombia?
>> oor is making gically ironic) indication that
>Milomself thinmbing could stosevic hip him.
>> <We are in a sck Milosevic's regime>
>>
>> um, here'ations!  we rused.  we issefued an
>> ultimatum at re, I don't think negg is an oll have
>left *noe or the otheption that we e defeat b stir will have to ef
>fectiotiatinvely concedefore any mtiations taore negoke place.
>ambouillet, and that was that.
>ef (oat the Milvic reosegs rusime ihing to
>colemplete as mcansr at least non-encyclopedic).
>
>Ths a gbut is it really relevant?
>
>> and here's MUCH er, but the MUCH situation now is MUCHworse, thanks
>> to our "solution".
>
>Well, let main, the rugova govertionment *had been*
>> effective.  the serb resistannow in a shevic, which isace to milosmbles,
>> was gigawar against Sentic.  theitors on te p: continre were monuing
>>therbia can no r ach ut it this way
>longeieve i an optioen national occup in Kosoation f t an interorcevo, and to
>destroy a lot of SerbiTO nansis.

Yeah? Well, you may have a point, but I hear she sometimes forgets to
recycle her cans. And she STILL can't offer me any logical explanation why
the opening credits of a show titled "Dawson's Creek" are filmed at the
ocean.

Nothing comes between me and my Calvins.

Rock over London,
Eb

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:39:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Terrence M Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

On Thu, 27 May 1999, Christopher Gross wrote:

> On Wed, 26 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote:
> 
> > why aren't the same people making this point also making 
> > the point that turkey's repression of the kurds (which was on a *much* 
> > larger scale than serbian repression of ethnic albanians) needs to be 
> > stopped?  why aren't they saying that the brutal occupations of east timor 
> > and palestine need to be stopped?  the death squads in mexico and colombia?  
> > for that matter, the repression of ethnic minorities in the united states?
> 
> This is a good question, in itself; but is it really relevant?  

Well, mainly because it's the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and East
Timor, Palestine, Mexico and Columbia aren't exactly North Atlantic.
Serbia and Kosovo at least border on NATO countries.  (Yeah, Mexico
borders the US, but Mexican conflicts don't tend to spread into the US.
We ought to do something about the problems in Chiapas, though.)  And
last I heard, the US was trying to help work out some Israel/Palestine
compromise (And I wouldn't call it brutal occupation.  It is [or was, at
least] closer to guerilla warfare and counterinsurgency than wanton
brutality.  But then, it's a very complicated thing and I could be wrong.)
And I don't know why we aren't doing anything about the Kurds, though.
In other words, NATO isn't the world's policeman.  It's just the North
Atlantic's policeman.  And repression of ethnic minorities in the US isn't
anything like what's going on in Kosovo, Palestine or Mexico, and you know
it.

> (Personally, I think a reasonable compromise would be a UN force that
> included *both* NATO nations and Serbia's allies Russia and Greece.  I
> doubt either NATO or Serbia would agree to that, though; and anyway, who
> would rely on the UN's protection after Srebrenica?)

I thought Greece _was_ a NATO nation.  (It's a NATO rule never to put a
Greek ship within sight of a Turkish ship, and vice versa, during war
games, if I recall.)

Terrence Marks
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

On Thu, 27 May 1999, Terrence M Marks wrote:

> > (Personally, I think a reasonable compromise would be a UN force that
> > included *both* NATO nations and Serbia's allies Russia and Greece.  I
> > doubt either NATO or Serbia would agree to that, though; and anyway, who
> > would rely on the UN's protection after Srebrenica?)
> 
> I thought Greece _was_ a NATO nation.  (It's a NATO rule never to put a
> Greek ship within sight of a Turkish ship, and vice versa, during war
> games, if I recall.)

Sorry, I was being unclear.  Greece is part of NATO, but that alone would
not reconcile the Serbs to a NATO force.  (It certainly hasn't made them
agree to it at Rambouillet or since.)  I was thinking of an arrangement
where Serbia's friends, Russia and Greece, would together have forces
equal or nearly equal in size to those of the NATO countries other than
Greece.  Then the Serbs could figure their interests would be protected
just as much as the Albanians' interests were (and vice versa).  Both NATO
and Serbia could say they got what they wanted, which would make them both
a lot more likely to sign an agreement.

Question for Eb: WTF?


- --Chris

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:14:52 -0700
From: Debora K <zolarox@juno.com>
Subject: Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair

Something that's bothered me for years has finally surfaced again.  I
can't think of a better group of people to ask then Fegs, who tend to
ooze with odds 'n ends of information.  Sometimes it's even useful : )

I was watching the news last night when they had some story about a
hospital.  Over the loudspeakers came a nurses voice, "Dr. Blair....Dr.
Blair..........Dr. Jay Hamilton....Dr. Jay Hamilton".  Of course, I'd
heard this exact thing on Queensryche's (attn. Eddie) 'Operation
Mindcrime'.  I'd also heard that very voice a couple of more times over
the past 10 years or so on maybe a movie or commercial.  What the %^%$? 
Is it little voices in my head?  Is there some magical archive where one
might look for "Sounds of Hospital" for their upcoming movie, commercial,
or news clip? Anyone have the faintest idea what I'm talking about? 
Arggggggggg!!!!  

>From the bowels of lurker hell,

Vince

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:43:31 PDT
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Democrassy.

tell you what you do, brudda.  go rent 12 Angry Men, then get back to me.



From: Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.com>
Reply-To: Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.com>
To: Nerdy Groovers <fegmaniax@smoe.org>
Subject: Democrassy.
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:25:23 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 26 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote:
 > oh and jeme, democracy doesn't mean "majority rule", it means decision by
 > *consensus*.

What the FUCK planet do you live on, eddie?

I love you like a brother (better, in fact, considering how I feel about
my brothers), but you're loopy.

What do you think CONSENSUS means?  Consensus is reached by the agreement
of MOST or ALL.   And don't kid yourself into thinking you'll get the
agreement of all on anything EVER.

There will always be a person who does not agree to some rule set before
him.  For every law that restricts action there will be a person who
cherishes that right and will not permit infringment.

Unanimous rule exists only in anarchist states or very very small
populations.  So either we have no law (and just TRY getting social
programs or even worker's rights guaranteed in a society without law) or
tiny little tribes who cannot coordinate and cooperate because there will
always be dissidents.

So is democracy unanimous rule or majority rule, eddie?  Either it's
impotent or oppressive.
J.
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:27:41 PDT
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

trying to be even quicker than quick, here...


<Howard's End>

hee hee.  i was thinking of using that.  but i figgered you'd dig the dead 
milkmen ref.


<This is a good question, in itself; but is it really relevant?>

you mean, relevant to yugoslavia policy?  strictly speaking, no.  and of 
course, i merely said that it's something that's been bugging me.  however, 
i think it at least merits consideration, because the answers say a *lot* 
about u.s. foreign policy in general.
but let's just take east timor for example.  massacres have been occurring 
*since* we've begun bombing yugoslavia.  and if we wanted them --and/or the 
occupation itself-- to end, we'd just have to say "boo", and they/it would.


<Actually, the Guantanamo thing made perfect sense.  Our goal is, ideally, 
to get the Kosovars back to their own homes.>

no, it isn't.  we've shown time and time again that we don't give a fuck 
about the kosovar albanians.


<The crackdown in Kosovo was not a "response" to the bombing.  It was FAR 
too well planned and supported to have thrown together after the bombs 
started falling.>

huh?  it coincided exactly with the start of bombing.  and, again, it was 
*exactly* what everyone --including u.s. military personnel-- said would 
happen if we were to bomb.  preparations were begun after rambouillet, when 
we told them we were going to bomb them.


<Nevertheless, the bombing *is* hurting the Serbs, and I think there's still 
a chance that they will give in.>

it's hurting serb civilians, that's for sure.  but reports out of yugoslavia 
indicate that its military capability hasn't been effected all that much.  
and of course, milosevic, whose hold on power was at one point very wobbly, 
has strengthened his grip.


<I don't accept this characterization of Rambouillet.  The NATO/Kosovar 
reluctance to compromise may have seemed like an ultimatium>

look, we said, "sign this, or we'll bomb you."  that's an ultimatum.  that's 
the only diplomacy the united states has ever been capable of, i'll give you 
that much.


<but you should remember that they had already compromised a lot to get the 
Serbs to Rambouillet in the first place!  In particular, the Kosovars had 
agreed to drop their demand for immediate independence>

the *kla* agreed, reluctantly.  because we made it clear that it was as good 
as it was going to get.  and that, if they signed, then we could go ahead 
and start bombing.  the kla is *not* the kosovars, remember.  it's the 
united states' handpicked "representative".


<It was Serbia that refused to make any real concessions (though some might 
think they were right to do so).>

as i said, they agreed more less to everything in rambouillet, save the 
enforcement procedure.


<At any rate, I don't think negotiating is an option that we still have left 
*now*; it's too late for that, whether it's Serbia's fault or ours. Now one 
side or the other will have to effectively concede defeat before any more 
negotiations take place.>

probably true.  which just means it's all the more important for *us* to 
shut down the fucking u.s. military.


<Are you sure about this?  I don't remember any NATO demand to occupy "the 
entirety of Yugoslavia."  Maybe I'm wrong.>

yes, it's in rambouillet.  as i say, the specific wording is pretty 
unbelievable.


<The biggest concession they ever made was floating the possibility (not 
even a definite offer) to accept an international force provided no NATO 
countries were involved; and IIRC even that came only after the bombing 
started.>

the definitely made the offer.  whether they would've lived up to it is 
anyone's guess.  but it should have been pursued.  the offer was made on 
march 23, the day before the bombing began.


<Well, let me put it this way: continuing the war against Serbia can no 
longer achieve its original goal (stopping the ethnic cleansing), but it 
still has a chance of forcing the Serbs to stop before all of Kosovo is 
"cleansed,">

it's 90% empty now.


<and to destroy a lot of Serbia's military power so they can no longer 
undertake aggressive operations (call me ruthless, but I think this is an 
important goal).>

surely.  though about one-millionth as important as destroying the united 
states' military power so they can no longer undertake aggressive 
operations, especially from u.s. citizens' point of view.
[oh, this china thing is pretty hilarious.  has anyone seen one, just one, 
mention in the media of the world court's having ruled nuclear weapons 
illegal?  that's kinda germane, dontcha think?  it's kinda like everyone 
being all up-in-arms because somebody had broken into the mafia's warehouse 
and kipped a crate of ammo.]


<On the other hand, if we just pack up our bombs and go home, there
is no chance at all of achieving any of this.>

quite the opposite, i should think.  if we pack up our bombs and go home, 
then maybe something *can* be done.  something useful, i mean.


<As for the monitors in Kosovo, they were only a minor impediment to 
Milosevic's actions there.>

i'd even say very minor.  look, i'm not saying it was a pretty situation.  
it wasn't.  it was horrifying.  but we *knowingly* made the situation much, 
much, much, much worse.


<We've failed to stop Milosevic, that's clear to everyone.  But are you 
saying that he would not have succeeded if the bombings hadn't helped him? I 
don't buy that.>

that's a tricky question to answer out of context, because u.s. (and others) 
meddling caused many of the problems in the first place.
i think that if we hadn't supported milosevic all along, and that if we had 
at least *acknowledged* the existence of the rugova government, then things 
would be quite a bit better than they are now.
as to the more immediate situation, remember, there were zero refugees 
registered with the UNHCR before the bombing started.  there are now several 
hundred thousand.  there were 2,000 killed last year, mostly kla, and this 
was largely in response to kla violence.  again, compare this with turkey, 
colombia, palestine, east timor.
i think it's a no-brainer that they wouldn't have succeeded.

now, i *really* mean it.  i don't have the time to debate this, as i'll be 
leafletting or working all weekend.  so somebody else is going to have to 
take up the pinko side.





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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:38:10 PDT
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

<Well, mainly because it's the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and East 
Timor, Palestine, Mexico and Columbia aren't exactly North Atlantic. Serbia 
and Kosovo at least border on NATO countries.>

come on, terry!  the issue isn't *nato*'s very transparent imprimatur.  it's 
the fucking u.s. military.


<And last I heard, the US was trying to help work out some Israel/Palestine 
compromise>

and then you woke up!
actually, this is somewhat relevant.  the oslo accords, properly 
implemented, would've delivered a situation strikingly similar to south 
africa during its halcyon days (when it was a trusted u.s. ally, of course). 
  much the same is true in kosovo now.  so you can see the double-standard.


<(And I wouldn't call it brutal occupation.  It is [or was, at
least] closer to guerilla warfare and counterinsurgency than wanton
brutality.  But then, it's a very complicated thing and I could be wrong.)>

you are.  wrong, that is.  very, very wrong.  it is one of the more brutal 
occupations on the face of the planet.  sadly (though not really 
surprisingly) enough, the pa is every bit as oppressive as was straight 
israeli rule.


<And repression of ethnic minorities in the US isn't anything like what's 
going on in Kosovo, Palestine or Mexico, and you know it.>

it's not on the same scale (these days).  but we could also find repression 
on a larger scale than in kosovo without looking too hard.  the question is, 
are we talking about *principle* or not?  if we can bomb belgrade for its 
repression of ethnic minorities, why shouldn't anybody who feels like it be 
justified in bombing washington for our repression of ethnic minorities?






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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:44:50 PDT
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair

<Something that's bothered me for years has finally surfaced again.>

i wouldn't say it's been *bothering* me for years, but i have definitely 
wondered about it!


<"Dr. Blair....Dr. Blair..........Dr. Jay Hamilton....Dr. Jay Hamilton".  Of 
course, I'd heard this exact thing on Queensryche's (attn. Eddie) 'Operation 
Mindcrime'.  I'd also heard that very voice a couple of more times over the 
past 10 years or so on maybe a movie or commercial.>

first time i heard it was on a radio commercial, and i either shit my pants 
outright, or came very close.  i've heard it *many* times in other venues 
through the years.


<Is there some magical archive where one might look for "Sounds of Hospital" 
for their upcoming movie, commercial, or news clip?>

that's always been my guess.  but it seems so generic.  i mean, is there 
only *one* sound clip from a hospital in existence?  or is that just the 
best one?  or the cheapest to obtain?  or do queensryche fans just tend to 
notice *that* one, while others go in one ear and out the other?  and how 
long had it been floating around *before* it turned up on MINDCRIME?


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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vivien Lyon <vivlyon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

- --- Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
wrote:

> Question for Eb: WTF?

I think that was just Eb's oblique way of saying he
could give a shit about political discussions and he
wishes everyone were talking about me and the fact
that I would never be listed on NASDAQ, as I am
extremely low-tech and my stock's value is practically
neglible.

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:49:21 -0700
From: "Partridge, John" <jpartridge@accel.com>
Subject: Sturm und drang

These debates on U.S. foreign policy were briefly educational
(at least for me) but are now as intellectually stimulating
as an emacs vs. vi debate even while the subject matter 
continues to be as emotionally riveting as anything this 
group has ever discussed.

Fegmaniax is not the forum for doing justice to this debate. 
People with strong opinions on both sides of the argument are 
waging heavy artillery wordfare with each other and I am tired 
of being caught in the crossfire. Please take the topic offline.

Maybe the exercise is intended to impress me with the mastery
some posters have of the subject matter. OK, I'm impressed.
No mas. Enough. Please take it offline.

P.S. Vi rules; emacs sucks. But y'all probbaly knew that already.

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Sturm und drang (und joe und ed und ex)

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Partridge, John wrote:
> P.S. Vi rules; emacs sucks. But y'all probbaly knew that already.

Hell yes!

It's been said before, emacs isn't the WORST operating system available,
but it's close.

Give me vi anytime.  I don't need my text editor to bake bread, browse
porn, and call my mom on Sundays.  (And who has one of those crazy space
captain keyboards anymore, anyhow?)

To quote our own Chris Franz, "I use vi like some people use oxygen."

Je. -- this message composed in pico.  Go figure.
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Terrence M Marks <normal@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote:

> are we talking about *principle* or not?  if we can bomb belgrade for its 
> repression of ethnic minorities, why shouldn't anybody who feels like it be 
> justified in bombing washington for our repression of ethnic minorities?

Or Quebec for its repression of Anglophones.

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:49:16 -0700
From: Tom Clark <tclark@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Sturm und drang

So where's all the Marco Sturm content, John?  Personally I think he had 
a great season, even though he slowed down a little about 2/3 of the way 
through.  I think that's because in his native Germany they only play the 
equivalent of half the NHL season schedule.  Also, I really hope the 
Sharks can sign Vinnie Damphouse before he exercises his free agency.  
While he probably wouldn't play on the same line as Sturm, they are both 
great assets to the team.  I'm really looking forward to next season.

Oh yeah - that thing going on over there in 
Ser^H^H^HYugo^H^H^H^HKoso^H^H^H^HEurope somewhere is really fucked up, 
huh?

massacre on cable,
- -tc

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dr. Blair.....Dr. Blair

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote:

> <Is there some magical archive where one might look for "Sounds of Hospital" 
> for their upcoming movie, commercial, or news clip?>
> 
> that's always been my guess.  but it seems so generic.  i mean, is there 
> only *one* sound clip from a hospital in existence?  or is that just the 
> best one?  or the cheapest to obtain?  

Something like that happened to me the other day when I saw Porcupine Tree
(great show, BTW).  During one song, "Voyage 43," they played a lot of
samples of the narrator from some 60s acid-trip movie, and though I didn't
recognize the film the voice sounded familiar.  Then they played one of
him saying "Brian is amusing his friends by chewing on some plastic
flashbulbs," which is a sample also used in Meat Beat Manifesto's song "I
Control It."  Made me wonder, is there only *one* 60s acid-trip movie that
people sample from?  (Surely not!)

My favorite sample surprise happened a few years ago.  I got the
Butthole Surfers' album Locust Abortion Technician.  The first song,
"Sweet Loaf," starts with a little spoken dialogue:

"Daddy?" 
"Yes, son?" 
"What does 'regret' mean?" 
"Well, son, a funny thing about regret is, it's better to regret something
you *have* done than to regret something you *haven't* done.  And by the
way, if you see your mom this weekend, would you be sure and tell her
SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!"

A few months later, I bought Orbital's first untitled album.  I listened
to the first seven tracks, then had to go out on an errand.  When I came
home I started the CD up again and immediately wondered if I had somehow
switched discs, because the first thing I heard was:

"Daddy?"
"Yes, son?" ...

Turns out Orbital's song "Satan" samples the Butthole Surfers song.  It
was just perfect that I happened to start up the disc with that track, so
that the sample was the first thing I heard.  Fascinating story, eh?  Oh,
well, I guess you had to be there.


- --Chris (getting shitloads of work done, let me tell you)

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Big Howard in my back yard (and the end of the Kosovo thread)

Eddie said he'll have to let it drop, so I will too.  But one or two brief
comments first:

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote:

> hee hee.  i was thinking of using that.  but i figgered you'd dig the dead 
> milkmen ref.

Heh....  I dig it now that you pointed it out; but at the time, it just
whooshed right over my head.  Oh well.  

A brief factual quibble:

> <Are you sure about this?  I don't remember any NATO demand to occupy "the 
> entirety of Yugoslavia."  Maybe I'm wrong.>
> 
> yes, it's in rambouillet.  as i say, the specific wording is pretty 
> unbelievable.

I've looked through the text of the agreement (available on 
<http://www.acronym.org.uk/kvramb.htm>; BTW, the site is run by a group
opposed to the war), and I didn't see any such thing.  The closest it came
was a sentence giving NATO the right of transit *across* Yugoslavia to
Kosovo.

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Partridge, John wrote:

> Maybe the exercise is intended to impress me with the mastery
> some posters have of the subject matter.

No, actually, I for one get caught up in these debates because I honestly
care about this shit. Believe it or not.  


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Christopher Gross             On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.
chrisg@gwu.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Howard's End

On Fri, 28 May 1999, Vivien Lyon wrote:

> I think that was just Eb's oblique way of saying he
> could give a shit about political discussions and he
> wishes everyone were talking about me and the fact
> that I would never be listed on NASDAQ, as I am
> extremely low-tech and my stock's value is practically
> neglible.

Believe me, you'll be much happier if you forget about going public and
remain privately owned.


- --Chris (still getting lots o' work done)

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Christopher Gross             On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.
chrisg@gwu.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:55:43 -0700
From: Ethyl Ketone <meketone@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Just Deserts

Eddie and Christopher and anyone interested;
News today gives Milosevic and his cronies their just deserts...
Who has the gall to actually arrest him??????????
A day late and adollar short  if you ask me.
- - c

"Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself."
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M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith
meketone@ix.netcom.com
carrieg@blueplanetsoftware.com

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:52:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bayard <walden@eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Just Deserts

when i saw this subject line, i thought it was the punch line of a joke :
"what will be left of these countries when the war is over?"

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:16:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Barrington Jones <psu23447@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: spoken word cd! (caution: Robyn content)

hi all!

hey, in a few weeks i will basically be done with school for the summer. 
so, naturally, my thoughts turn towards my tape decks, and what i can do
to keep them busy.

Remember the spoken word project from two years ago? I was
thinking about resurrecting it, with 2 major revisions.

First, the original spoken word project was to be a chain tape. The first
person tapes 5 min worth of his favorite Robyn "verbals", sends the tape
onto the second person, who tacks his/her stuff on, and sends it to 3rd
person, etc.

This ended up not quite working as planned. It was taking a long time for
the tape to go from person to person, and at this point I think it is in
Canada somewhere. 

So, my new idea is for each person interested to track down a crummy tape
that you don't care if you ever see again, tape your fave Robyn bits on it
(I mean record some favorite spoken word segments onto the cassette, ya
perv!), and send it to me (or someone!). 

The second revision is the medium. Originally the plan called for
analog copies to be made of the final tape for all parties interested.
With CD-R, we could compile these bits onto it, and make each bit
accessible almost instantly through the technologicial wonder of the
compact disc player. Once we have the master CD-R done, we can set
up a tree and easily make copies for everyone that is interested.  I doubt
Robyn would have a problem with us making distributing a cd among us
listmembers that just consisted of words he says in between songs, ya
know? 

Anyway, let me know what y'all think, and if you are interested. I guess
the more people that wish to participate, the less amount of time each
person will get for their aural collage--we are limited to 74 minutes per
CD-R these days, but I think the more involvment from diff people, the
better it will be. Hell, cuz y'all are fegs it will be great!

And Mike
Runion had at one time made up a very nice website to discuss the spoken
word project, are you still out there, Mike?

Anyhow, summer is always a nice time to do these sorts of things.

One last thing: I would also like to update Chez Figaro in the next few
weeks, so if there's any of you out there who would like to fire up their
cassette decks for trading Robyn shows, and you would like a spot to do
some advertising, check out

 http://web.syr.edu/~jojones/figaro.html

 and see if you would like to submit your name and other info to be
included in the robyn traders index. Its been awhile since new people were
added, and yet at the same time, i know there's lots of new listmembers
out there. Come out of the woodwork, ye trader/lurkers!!

cuz we all need more Eye tour recordings! ;)

Thanks for reading this, we now return you to your regular feg fare,

=jbj=

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