From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #190 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 25 1999 Volume 08 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Commercial--No RH [Dede Davis ] spin snippet [four episode lesbian ] Re: DC shows pt. II: Gong and Porcupine Tree! [Scary Mary ] Re: on the origin of pay-toilets [Terrence M Marks ] RE: on the origin of pay-toilets ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: lips [fred is ted ] Song search [bibigellert@earthlink.net] Re: lips [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Song search [Danielle ] Re: lips [Joel Mullins ] howard ["Capitalism Blows" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dede Davis Subject: Commercial--No RH Because I know some of ya'll are closet fans: The newest Microsoft commercial, which was supposed to have aired Sunday altho' I never saw it, features music by my all-time favorite band and very dear friends, The Connells. === Dede "Give it up, halfway back the room! Halfway back the room ain't givin' up *shit*."--DJMacMillan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:15:37 -0400 From: four episode lesbian Subject: spin snippet Flaming Lips, Robin Hitchcock, Sebadoh to Tour The Flaming Lips will take their truly weird stage show (complete with headphones handed out to the audience to augment the band's sound) on the road this summer (in support of their latest disc, The Soft Bulletin) with fellow rock eccentrics Robin Hitchcock and Lou Barlow (with Sebadoh) in tow. According to Lips reps at Warner Brothers, the tour, dubbed the 1999 International Music Against Brain Degeneration Revue will kick off in July in the Midwest and go through the end of August and will traipse around the entire country. Additions to the bill, most likely a DJ and another band, are expected. Check Road Raging soon for updates as well as the full itinerary once confirmations are passed 'round. [this seems to imply that robin [sic] will be playing at more of these show than just the new york one...hmmm...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:35:55 -0400 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: DC shows pt. II: Gong and Porcupine Tree! Chris (the squid) Gross wrote: > Either I just found out about this, or (more likely) it's been well > publicized and I'm just going senile.... Apparently Gong and Porcupine > Tree will be playing in Wheaton, MD this Wednesday, May 26! (Yes, the day > before the Sleater-Kinney show.) The show is at Phantasmagoria, a > club/record store located at 11319 Elkin St. in Wheaton; check > or call 301/949-8886 for directions. It's > an easy walk from the Wheaton Metro station. Tickets are, er, $18; but > Phantasmagoria is a nice, intimate (small) venue, so you'll get plenty of > up-close prog action for your money. Doors at 7 pm, show at 8. Hope to > see you there! > Phantasmagoria does not sell tickets in advance and they expect a large crowd. They suggest arriving at the club by 6 pm. See you there Chris, as well as any other fegs who show up. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Sabatini Subject: on the origin of pay-toilets Hey there, While reading an article on variable-based compensation systems, my mind wandered to the existence of pay toilets. "Aah," I thought, "pay toilets--the good old days." Anyway, I then wondered what ever became of them, why they were invented in the first place, and where they originated (in the US or from overseas?). What became of them? Maybe a public outcry flushed them out of existence--sorry ;( . Or maybe they weren't cost effective. Or maybe people were becoming too good at limboing 'neath the stalls and going to the bathroom "on the house." I remember a lot of kicked in stall doors, too. Why invented in the first place? To subsidize the cost of toilet paper and/or janitorial cleaning expenses. Or maybe to make going to the bathroom more like a game--plunk in a dime and take your turn. Where they originated? No idea. I remember them being fairly common in the late 70's, when I was just a lad. Part of me wants to say, "only in America," but I don't know. Any feedback, particularly international feedback, is appreciated, Ken On movies: I have no immediate desire to see the Star Wars thing, but I would highly recommend the English (or Scottish?) film "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels." Great filming, interesting characters, numerous plot twists, and good enough acting. One of those films where a number of tangentially related characters and sub-stories all come together. Never too cute or obvious either. A lot of fun. Also finally saw Saving Private Ryan at a $1.50 theatre recently. I was really let down. Aside from the effects, I didn't get much out of it. The story/script was really poorly written/communicated--it never made me care for any of the characters. It was like watching things happen to people I knew nothing about. When they did try to develop characters they did so in such an obvious way, it sort of backfired for me. My own biggest critic, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: on the origin of pay-toilets On Tue, 25 May 1999, Ken Sabatini wrote: > Why invented in the first place? To subsidize the cost of toilet paper > and/or janitorial cleaning expenses. Or maybe to make going to the > bathroom more like a game--plunk in a dime and take your turn. Way I heard it, it was supposed to reduce the incidence of vandalism, both in keeping the dimeless vandals out and making people less likely to mess with something because they paid for it. But that's just the way I heard it. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:39:41 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: on the origin of pay-toilets You're certainly inquisitive, Ken. While it doesn't serve to answer all of your questions, there is: http://tqd.advanced.org/3205/Pay.html with a nice little one-pager on the Pay to Play phenomenon. Back to work now.... - -f. - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sabatini [mailto:ksabatin@arches.uga.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:25 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Cc: ksabatin@arches.uga.edu Subject: on the origin of pay-toilets Hey there, While reading an article on variable-based compensation systems, my mind wandered to the existence of pay toilets. "Aah," I thought, "pay toilets--the good old days." Anyway, I then wondered what ever became of them, why they were invented in the first place, and where they originated (in the US or from overseas?). What became of them? Maybe a public outcry flushed them out of existence--sorry ;( . Or maybe they weren't cost effective. Or maybe people were becoming too good at limboing 'neath the stalls and going to the bathroom "on the house." I remember a lot of kicked in stall doors, too. Why invented in the first place? To subsidize the cost of toilet paper and/or janitorial cleaning expenses. Or maybe to make going to the bathroom more like a game--plunk in a dime and take your turn. Where they originated? No idea. I remember them being fairly common in the late 70's, when I was just a lad. Part of me wants to say, "only in America," but I don't know. Any feedback, particularly international feedback, is appreciated, Ken On movies: I have no immediate desire to see the Star Wars thing, but I would highly recommend the English (or Scottish?) film "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels." Great filming, interesting characters, numerous plot twists, and good enough acting. One of those films where a number of tangentially related characters and sub-stories all come together. Never too cute or obvious either. A lot of fun. Also finally saw Saving Private Ryan at a $1.50 theatre recently. I was really let down. Aside from the effects, I didn't get much out of it. The story/script was really poorly written/communicated--it never made me care for any of the characters. It was like watching things happen to people I knew nothing about. When they did try to develop characters they did so in such an obvious way, it sort of backfired for me. My own biggest critic, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:58:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: on the origin of pay-toilets On 5/25/99 11:24 AM, Ken Sabatini wrote: >What became of them? We have them here in San Jose and San Francisco. They're these high tech gizmos that completely steam clean the entire interior after each use. Oh, and if you're not out in twenty minutes the door opens automatically! I don't know about SF, but down here you can pretty much walk up to any street cop and ask for a bathroom token. Speaking of which, anybody see that black tar heroin special on HBO? I saw it last night, and apparently SF junkies like to fix in those pay toilets. I saw "Permanent Midnight" the night before, so I've had my share of junkies this week. - -t "Quake 3 Arena ROCKS!" c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:33:11 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Re: lips - --- Eb wrote: > Anyway...I give a big thumbs-up to the Flaming Lips. > GREAT live band, too. > I'd say my own favorites of the bands' albums are > "In a Priest-Driven > Ambulance" and "Transmissions From the Satellite > Heart" (the album with > "She Don't Use Jelly"). Meanwhile, "Zaireeka" is > such a conceptually > amazing feat that it sorta defies being measured > against the other Lips > records. The new one ranks up there, as well. "Transmissions..." is a fantastic album. They went to heaven on that one. Some marching rhythms, lotsa squeaky vocals and oodles of fuzzbox. That's how I spell fun. "Clouds Taste Metallic" has some goodies too. Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:54:39 -0800 From: bibigellert@earthlink.net Subject: Song search I've seen it happen countless times, so I thought I'd throw out this artist and song title and see if anyone can inform me: John Rolle? I'm guessing on the spelling-the song is "Hush, not a word to Mary" Any info would be greatly appreciated. Bibi Gellert - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:41:48 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: lips Just got a promo of this the other day. I've always liked the Flaming Lips just fine. I don't think this album will make me a huge fan, but, objectively, I'd have to say that it's a mighty fine rekkid! There's a good variety of material and the sound is really lush. I need to give it several more listens, but I'd say it's quite promising. For any of those out there who are already fans, you'll almost certainly like it! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: Song search Bibi: > I've seen it happen countless times, so I thought I'd > throw out > this artist and song title and see if anyone can inform > me: John > Rolle? I'm guessing on the spelling-the song is "Hush, > not a > word to Mary" I'm *guessing* (correct me, anyone) that this is New Zealand's very own John Rowles, a belter/crooner in the Engelbert Humperdinck tradition. Some of his stuff is probably still available... My mother used to weep with homesickness to his records (see 'Cheryl Moana Marie' and 'Tania') while living overseas in the seventies. ;) Danielle ('somewhere she's waaiiiiting for me...') _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:04:27 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: lips fred is ted wrote: > > --- Eb wrote: > > > Anyway...I give a big thumbs-up to the Flaming Lips. > > GREAT live band, too. > > I'd say my own favorites of the bands' albums are > > "In a Priest-Driven > > Ambulance" and "Transmissions From the Satellite > > Heart" (the album with > > "She Don't Use Jelly"). Meanwhile, "Zaireeka" is > > such a conceptually > > amazing feat that it sorta defies being measured > > against the other Lips > > records. The new one ranks up there, as well. > > "Transmissions..." is a fantastic album. They went to > heaven on that one. Some marching rhythms, lotsa > squeaky vocals and oodles of fuzzbox. That's how I > spell fun. "Clouds Taste Metallic" has some goodies > too. What about Hit To Death in the Future Head? That's the best Flaming Lips album in my opinion. And Eb's right about the Lips being a great live band. I've only seen them once, but it was fantastic. I really hope the Revue (is that spelled correctly?) comes through Texas. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:37:36 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: howard Whose Atrocity Is Bigger (from a forthcoming article to be published by the Progressive)By Howard Zinn Milosovic has committed atrocities. Therefore it is okay for us to commit atrocities. He is terrorizing the Albanians in Kosovo. Therefore we can terrorize the population of cities and villages in Yugoslavia. I get e-mail messages from Yugoslav opponents of Milosovic, who demonstrated against him in the streets of Belgrade (before the air strikes began), who tell me their children cannot sleep at night, terrified by the incessant bombing. They tell of the loss of light, of water, of the destruction of the basic sources of life for ordinary people. To the bloodthirsty Thomas Friedman of the NEW YORK TIMES, all Serbs must be punished, without mercy, because they have "tacitly sanctioned" the deeds of their leaders. That is a novel definition of war guilt. Can we now expect an Iraqi journalist to call for bombs placed in every American supermarket on the grounds that all of us have "tacitly sanctioned" the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq caused by our eight-year long embargo. Official terrorism, whether used abroad or at home, by jet bombers or by the police, is always given an opportunity by the press to explain itself, as is never done for ordinary terrorists. The thirty one prisoners and nine guards massacred at Governor Rockefeller's orders in the Attica uprising; the twenty-eight women and children of the organization MOVE, killed in a fire after their homes were bombed by Philadelphia police; the eighty-six men, women, and children of the Waco compound who died in an attack ordered by the Clinton Administration;, the African immigrant murdered by a gang of policemen in New York -- all of these events had explanations which, however absurd, are dutifully given time and space by the media. One of these explanations is in terms of numbers, and we have heard both Clinton and his forked-tongue counterpart Jamie Shea pass off the bombing of Yugoslav civilians by telling us the Serb police have killed more Albanians than we have killed Serbs (although as the air strikes multiply, the numbers are getting closer). They have killed more than we have, so it's okay to bomb not just Serbs but Albanian refugees, not just adults but children, and to use the cluster bombs which have caused unprecedented amputations in Kosovo hospitals There were those who defended the 1945 firestorm bombing of Dresden (100,000 dead? -- we can't be sure) by pointing to the Holocaust. As if one atrocity deserves another. And with no chance at all that one could prevent the other (just as our bombings have done nothing to stop the mayhem in Kosovo, indeed have intensified it). I have heard the deaths of several hundred thousand Japanese citizens in the atomic strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki justified by the terrible acts of the Japanese military in that war. I suppose if we consider the millions of casualties of all the wars started by national leaders these past fifty years as "tacitly" supported by their populations, some righteous God who made the mistake of reading Friedman might well annihilate the human race. The television networks, filling our screen with heartrending photos of the Albanian refugees -- and those stories must not be ignored -- have not given us a full picture of the human suffering we have caused by our bombing. An e-mail came to me, a message from Professor Djordje Vidanovic, a professor of linguistics and semantics at the University of Nis: "The little town of Aleksinac, 20 miles away from my home town, was hit last night will full force. The local hospital was hit and a whole street was simply wiped off. What I know for certain is 6 dead civilians and more than 50 badly hurt. There was no military target around whatsoever." That was an "accident". As was the bombing of the Chinese Embassy. As was the bombing of a civilian train on a bridge over the Juzna Morava River, as was the bombing of Albanian refugees on a road in southern Kosovo, as was the destruction of a civilian bus with twenty four dead including four children (there was a rare press description of the gruesome scene by Paul Watson of the LOS ANGELES TIMES). Some stories come through despite the inordinate attention to NATO propaganda, omnipresent on CNN and other networks (and the shameless Jamie Shea announced we bombed a television station in Belgrade because it gives out propaganda). The NEW YORK TIMES reported the demolition of four houses in the town of Merdare by anti-personnel bombs "killing five people, including Bozina Tosovic, 30, and his 11-month old daughter, Bojana. His wife, 6 months pregnant is in the hospital. Steven Erlanger reported, also in the NEW YORK TIMES, that NATO missiles killed at least eleven people in a residential area of Surdulica, a town in southern Serbia. He described "the mounded rubble across narrow Zmaj Jovina Street, where Aleksandar Milic, 37, died on Tuesday. Mr. Milic's wife, Vesna, 35, also died. So did his mother and his two children, Miljana, 15 and Vladimir, 11 -- all of them killed about noon when an errant NATO bomb obliterated their new house and the cellar in which they were sheltering." Are these "accidents", as NATO and U.S. officials solemnly assure us? One day in 1945 I dropped canisters of napalm on a village in France. I have no idea how many villagers died, but I did not mean to kill them. Can I absolve what I did as "an accident"? Aerial bombings have as inevitable consequences the killing of civilians, and this is foreseeable, even if the details about who will be the victims cannot be predicted. The word "accident" is used to exonerate vicious actions. If I race my car at eighty miles an hour through a street crowded with children, and kill ten of them, can I call that an "accident"? The deaths and mutilations caused by the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia are not accidents, but the inevitable result of a deliberate and cruel campaign against the people of thatcountry. When I read a few weeks ago that cluster bombs are being used against Yugoslavia, I felt a special horror. These have hundreds of shrapnel-like metal fragments which enter the body and cannot easily be removed, causing unbearable pain. Serb children have picked up unexploded bombs and been mutilated as they exploded. I remember being in Hanoi in 1968 and visiting hospitals where children lay in agony, victims of a similar weapon -- cluster bombs -- their bodies full of tiny pellets. Two sets of atrocities -- two campaigns of terrorism -- ours and theirs. Both must be condemned. But for that, both must be acknowledged, and if one is given enormous attention, and the other passed over with official explanations given respectful attention, it becomes impossible to make a balanced moral judgement. There was an extraordinary report by Tim Weiner in the NEW YORK TIMES contrasting the scene in Belgrade with that in Washington where the NATO summit was taking place. "In Belgrade...Gordana Ristic, 33, was preparing to spend another night in the basement-cum-bomb shelter of hear apartment building. 'It was a really horrible night last night. There were explosions every few minutes after 2 A.M....I'm sorry that your leaders are not willing to read history.' "A reporter read to her from Clinton's speeches at the summit meeting. She sounded torn between anger and tears. 'This is the bottom to which civilization, in which I believed, has gone. Clinton is playing a role, singing a song in an opera. It kills me' As she slept, NATO's leaders dined on soft-shell crabs and spring lamb in the East Room of the White House. Dessert was a little chocolate globe. Jessye Norman sang arias. And as the last limousine left, near midnight. Saturday morning's all-clear sounded in Belgrade...." _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #190 *******************************