From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #174 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 08 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Saturday report: [Eb ] reap [Eb ] Shawns you want? Shawms you got! [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Di] For starters... ["Chris!" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #170 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #171 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: UK -- Luna [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: Quickie movie review ["Ariel Green" ] Re: couldn't be more off-topic ["manitas de platano" ] A dream precipitated [Vivien Lyon ] Re: Six degrees you want? Six degrees you got! ["JH3" ] Cosmik Debris [The Great Quail ] Lost Highway ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Cosmik Debris [Bayard ] Momus thanks, no Robyn [Miles Goosens ] Re: Momus thanks, no Robyn [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Lost Highway ["JH3" ] Re: Lost Highway [Tom Clark ] Re: Momus thanks, no Robyn [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Cosmik Debris ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Different Strokes [fred is ted ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:39:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Saturday report: Chris: >I went to see the Storefront flick and I am sick. In fact, I got sick >during the movie. I am not sure why, but clearly during the movie, I >got sick. Were talking illness not seen since late February. Clearly, you caught my recent bug, the Eccentric Singer-Songwriter Flu. Eb np: more weak stuff (I have now heard over a hundred 1999 releases which I didn't like...ugh) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:57:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Wow, and she was just on the Howard Stern show a few days ago! (I didn't hear her appearance, unfortunately.) Eb Associated Press Sunday May 9, 1999 9:54 AM ET Actress Plato Dies of Overdose MOORE, Okla. (AP) - Former TV child actress Dana Plato has died of what police say is an accidental overdose of a painkiller and valium. Plato, who starred in the hit ``Diff'rent Strokes'' with Gary Coleman and Todd Bridges from 1978-86 on NBC and ABC, was 34. All three have had legal troubles since leaving the show. Plato died last night at her fiance's parents' home in Moore, Okla., one of the towns hit hard by tornadoes last week. Plato had a series of highly publicized run-ins with the law as well as drug and alcohol rehabilitation. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/ap_us/story.html?s=v/ap/19990509/us/obit _plato_1.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:09:45 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Shawns you want? Shawms you got! Fans of mediaeval British/Eurpoean musical instrument may (or may not) like to know that one makes a prominent appearance in what is currently my favourite song of '99 - "Greenman" by XTC. It ain't a shawm - I suspect it's a crumhorn or possibly one of those weird things that looks like someone blowing into a keg with a straw. James PS - another Sakamoto link: Sakamoto-Simon Jeffes-Gavyn Wright-Andy Partridge-Thomas Dolby-RH. Jeffes can also be used to link Robyn with Sid Vicious! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:45:46 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: For starters... Perhaps the best of writers can give us insight into the heart of what they write about. An inside look into the way something works; something that we, the reader, would not other wise come to see without clear prose and guided purpose. This is no exception for James Sullivan, writing for the SF Chronicle's Pop CDs section with a review of Ricky Martin's album "Ricky Martin." In his first sentence he sets the tone and informs us... "Most artists who name a record after themselves do so on their debut album." Informingly, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:38:07 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #170 >>The Monkees (Head) Harry Nilsson (The Birds, The Bees and The Monkees)->Ringo Starr (Pussy Cats) George Harrison (The Beatles)->"Legs" Larry Smith (Extra Texture) Viv Stanshall (The Bonzo Dog Band)->Mike Oldfield (Tubular Bells) Robert Wyatt (Rock Bottom)->Syd Barrett (The Madcap Laughs) Roger Waters (Piper at the Gates of Dawn)->Thomas Dolby (Wall in Berlin) Robyn Hitchcock (BSDR) namedropping part 2: If you wanted to avoid Nilsson you could go from the Monkees to Zappa to Harrison... also, having got to Oldfield you could have gone ->Ayers->Eno->Fripp->Gabriel->Kate Bush->Gilmour->Waters... of course, you'd have missed out Syd, but... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:43:37 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #171 >From the BBC: > >TV naturalist Johnny Morris dies > Johnny Morris, who brought nature to two generations of children with > the BBC show Animal Magic, has died aged 82. sigh. Another slice of my childhood goes. (and now I'm going to have that bloody theme music on the brain all day...dum dum da-da-da-da-da-dum, dum dum da-da-da-dum) James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:06:13 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: UK -- Luna >>>>> "Joel" == Joel Mullins writes: Joel> the new Luna album. You could order it direct from http://www.cow.co.uk/ (small, cheap, friendly) or http://www.cdparadise.com/ (huge, occasionally very cheap, corporate), both of which I'm sure do international shipping. If all else fails, I could get it for you; it'd be about $25-30, including postage. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:41:33 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Another quickie movie review We saw The Matrix Saturday night... Very cool film, I must say. I see what everyone meant about it being "Dark City" but with robots! LOL But, we were very impressed with the details to which were paid attention, and whereas Keanu Reeves is not the *greatest* actor in the world, he has come a *lonnnnnnng* way from Bill & Ted. :) later np: one line from "The Boy - The Aeroplane Flies High - The Smashing Pumpkins" -- which WON'T get out of my head!!!!!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:56:00 PDT From: "Ariel Green" Subject: Re: Quickie movie review >That's a pet peeve of mine. Why is vomiting so rarely realistic in >films/television shows? I don't require that I see a fountain of spewed >foodmush, but at least the *sound* could be real. Yet instead of the >typical "raaaaarrrrrrrgh" sound, we almost always get something resembling >a "choking cough." Blah. Totally inadequate. Probably for the same reason we will never again hear the sound of a watermelon hitting a slab of marble. (Most of you probably already know this, but...) In the days of (GOOD) radio, there was a program on which they had someone die by falling off a building. They used the watermelon/marble sound as the person hitting the ground, and so many people were violently ill in their own living rooms because of it, that they never used the sound again. If vomiting were any more realistic in the movies, don't you think someone would be ill from that too? *shrugs* just a thought. this from someone who (barely) made it through "Saving Private Ryan" without losing dinner _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:43:31 +0000 From: "manitas de platano" Subject: Re: couldn't be more off-topic Date sent: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:48:50 -0800 To: fegmaniax@smoe.org From: Eb Subject: couldn't be more off-topic Send reply to: Eb > Why do French people write their names like "Bubba CHEVALIER," "Marv > POIROT," etc.? > > Evenfucking EB > They don't in this corner of the world. Is that a Cajun thing, or a European thing? Not a whole lot of Bubbas in Paris, are there? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: A dream precipitated - --- Natalie Jacobs wrote: > p.s. Quickie Robyn/Fegdream - Viv and I were at a > little apartment where > Robyn and his girlfriend were staying. As Robyn (in > a blue bathrobe) exited the kitchen, I remarked that >the huge decaying mansion where we had met him earlier >suited him better. Viv shushed me furiously. Well, I just thought it seemed ungracious, after we had sponged off of them for over a week. They kept inviting us to stay- I guess they couldn't get enough of our impromptu vaudeville routines. We really should pay them back for that statue in the bathroom that we broke. >Later, Viv and I were adrift on a raft with a tortoise >she named Tisco Bob, That was 'Disco' Bob. I only named him that because he wouldn't stop humming 'Turn the Beat Around.' while she > tried on nail polish and I negotiated with > superhumanly intelligent > babies. You see what seeing big-budget sci-fi films > before you go to bed > can do to you? Speaking of which, I am now wearing a shade of green-gray-gold that I have dubbed Moss Elixir. This is a companion polish to my Globe of Frogs. I also have a metallic silver I call The Can-Opener. Vivien _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:40:31 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Six degrees you want? Six degrees you got! James D. writes: >PS - another Sakamoto link: >Sakamoto-Simon Jeffes-Gavyn Wright-Andy Partridge-Thomas Dolby-RH. You could leave out Jeffes and Wright if you wanted to - Partridge worked directly with Sakamoto on "B-2 Unit." >Jeffes can also be used to link Robyn with Sid Vicious! And from there to Malcolm McLaren to Annabella Lwin! KOOOL! The circle is finally complete... John "Bow Wow WHO?" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 99 12:54:37 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Cosmik Debris Let me ramble. Susan writes, >But that's hardly ever part of the thing, and when it is, it isn't >nearly, I dunno, prevalent as the oddly imaginative sexual tortures: > "they forced me to jerk off to pictures of jello-wrestling >dwarves". What? Some people think that's a TORTURE? Bayard, why didn't you *tell* me! I'm sorry, my friend . . . I thought . . . I thought you liked that. (Bye the way, Sneezy says "hi," and that he misses you.) LJ rabbits, >Yes, but who can do Simpsons>Robyn Hitchcock? Easy. Lisa Simpson played saxophone in the Springfield Elementary School band, performing a duet with "Bleeding Gums" Murphy on PTA Talent Night. Murphy was well-known as having blown horn with The Electric Mayhem during the infamous Fillmore '73 show, the show where Zoot dropped a whole sheet of Big Bird Blotter and wandered off the stage, winding up in a Mission district crap game with Fritz the cat and forcing Dr. Teeth to tap Murphy for the conculsion of the set. During the Summer of Love, Janice of the Electric Mayhem played tambourine for Apu's psychedelic Raga band -- remember the short lived Rama Slushi? (Terry can fill in the details, I'm sure.) Now we all know that Paul and Linda McCartney did some impromptu work with Apu on his garden rooftop; but since that was a private session, it doesn't count. But Apu *did* play the sitar in a band with Herschel Krustofski and Mordecai Szyslak -- the three did the whole Jewish/Indian Wedding/Bar Mitzvah circuit in the late seventies, in the days before the Kwik-E-Mart, Moe's, or the Krusty Show. Of course we know that Krusty was picked up and syndicated, on occasionally he "sat in" with some of his musical guests, as he did during the "Kids, where are they now?" special in 1990, where he played buzouki and mouth-harp for "The Mystery Gang," featuring Josie, two former Pussy Cats, Fred, Velma, and Daphne. (IIRC, it was a benefit to help pay for Shaggy's rehab.) A few years later, Velma broke her contract with Hanna Barbara and did a series of solo lesbian gigs, cutting an album of duets with Michelle Shocked, Ani DiFranco, k d lang, and Lucy Lawless. One of those works happened to be "Your Wife Doesn't Understand You, But I Do," a duet with country artist Lurleen -- the token "straight but not narrow" artist included on the album to increase sales. And we all know what happened from there . . . a few years later, Lurleen made a splash in the crossover-charts with a pop remake of "Bagged me a Homer," featuring -- of course! -- Tim Keegan on guitar. And from Keegan, we get Robyn, wallah! >Sphere I hated "Sphere" -- typical Crichton. A good set-up, some interesting ideas, then a descent into by-the-numbers plotting, terrible characterizations, and thinly-veiled Luddite knee-jerk reactions to science and technology. (God, I *hate* Crichton! Everthing after "The Terminal Man" was the same goddamn ideas recycled over and over again . . . Science is Bad . . . Science is Bad . . . and that's not even mentioning his terrible writing! His two-dimensional characters that serve only as authorial mouthpieces or straw-man whipping posts! His lame rip-offs of other works, from "Heavy Weather" to "Frankenstein!" His cynical manipulation of current headlines to sell books based on controversy! And his snide belief in himself as a producer of great literature because his work makes lots of money! EEEeeeeek! Crichton bad! Crichton bad! Crichton bad!) Ahhh . . . that felt good. Anyway, not to raise the Titanic, but "The Abyss" is a great movie, terribly underrated, and blows "Sphere" out of the . . . er, water. Hell, I'd rather watch "Leviathan" than "Sphere." At least "Leviathan" didn't puff itself up with pretentions! (And has the best movie line: "I'm sure you have all been through hell." / "Bitch, we're still here!" which I bet Eddie remembers.) Am I done now? - --"Bleeding Hmuh" Quailphy +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:49:15 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Lost Highway At 12:27 AM 5/9/99 -0700, Joel Mullins wrote: >Wow! That's pretty interesting. And it gives us a new way to look at >Lost Highway, which I've never been able to figure out. The best way I've personally found to look at "Lost Highway" is to think of the road that appears at the beginning and the end of the movie as a strip of film. Everything else falls into place after that. I also like to think of it in terms of a really long Frippian tape loop, only with visual elements as well as audio. But, I'm kind of a geek. Basically, "Lost Highway" is a commentary on escapism, on fantasy projection through film, and on our psychological relationship with the medium of moving pictures. The camera is the key. cheers! - --Storefront Thornton (back in San Diego) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Cosmik Debris On Mon, 10 May 1999, The Great Quail wrote: > What? Some people think that's a TORTURE? Bayard, why didn't you *tell* > me! I'm sorry, my friend . . . I thought . . . I thought you liked that. i guess i'd like it better if i didn't know you'd induge in egg wrestling anyway, my fine feathered friend! just remember what the sadist did to the masochist: Nothing! hey, i ate a quail egg the other night! =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:09:44 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Momus thanks, no Robyn I've been getting mix tapes over the last year with Momus trax here and there, plus Susan and others have kept recommending him to me both on- and off-list, but up until today, I had yet to purchase anything of his despite enjoying almost everything I'd heard so far. Anyway, I walked into Tower today and sitting there were sparkly new reissues of THE LITTLE RED SONGBOOK, 20 VODKA JELLIES, and PING PONG. I figured the stars had finally lined up (plus I was glad I hadn't shelled out for imports of 'em earlier!), so I indulged myself and got 'em all. So everyone is right -- turns out I like Momus a lot, as these are kicking in quickly. For those in the throes of longer-term fandom than I, where do I go from here? Is any of the older stuff still available, or scheduled to be reissued as well? I think Susan may have elaborated on-list about this earlier, so maybe off-list is the proper venue... Also, whazzup with this Snakefarm group? Does the rest of their stuff sound as P.J. Harvey-meets-Portishead as "St. James"? If so, where do I sign up? :-) later, Miles ================================================== Miles Goosens R. Stevie Moore website, now with sound! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal page, all silent all the time: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles Join the Wire Mailing List: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/wire ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Momus thanks, no Robyn > So everyone is right -- turns out I like Momus a lot, as these are > kicking in quickly. For those in the throes of longer-term fandom > than I, where do I go from here? Is any of the older stuff still > available, or scheduled to be reissued as well? Everything is still in print in England, so import sources might be better. If you ask me, he got steadily worse over time, rallying somewhat with the new Le Grand Magistery albums (though even so, Ping Pong is the only one of the three I can really listen to for long). So I'd recommend Circus Maximus, The Poison Boyfriend and the singles comp Monster Of Love (which had no overlap with the albums until they stuck three of its tracks on the Poison Boyfriend CD). It won't be quite the Momus you're used to, though. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:09:43 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Lost Highway Jason T. writes: >Basically, "Lost Highway" is a commentary on escapism, on fantasy >projection through film, and on our psychological relationship with the >medium of moving pictures. The camera is the key. Wow, and all this time I thought it was just another one of those "guy gets manipulated into apparently murdering his wife and goes to prison where he mysteriously gets replaced with a totally different guy who then goes on to have a deadly affair with the wife's mob-moll look-alike or possibly twin sister" movies! John "The Cheery Literalist" Hedges PS. I hope I didn't give away too much of the plot just now... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:08:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Lost Highway On 5/10/99 11:49 AM, Jason R. Thornton wrote: >The best way I've personally found to look at "Lost Highway" is to think of >the road that appears at the beginning and the end of the movie as a strip >of film. Everything else falls into place after that. The best way I've found to look at "Lost Highway" is to fast forward to all the Patricia Arquette nude scenes. But that's just me... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:22:27 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Momus thanks, no Robyn In a message dated 5/10/99 11:17:49 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: << So everyone is right -- turns out I like Momus a lot, as these are kicking in quickly. For those in the throes of longer-term fandom than I, where do I go from here? Is any of the older stuff still available, or scheduled to be reissued as well? >> "Monsters of Love, the Singles 1985-1990." Great CD! And, yeah, as Aaron said, it's available as an import. Proudly stocked by Discover Music :-) << Also, whazzup with this Snakefarm group? Does the rest of their stuff sound as P.J. Harvey-meets-Portishead as "St. James"? If so, where do I sign up? :-) >> Yeah, the whole CD is somewhat trip-hoppy versions of old folk standards, featuring Anna Domino on vocals. Very cool. Their album, "Songs for my Funeral," came out, oh, 4-6 weeks ago. Should be pretty easy to get, I'd think. It's probably one of my top five releases of the year so far. Kneeling Elephant Records http://www.kneelingelephant.com/ - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:38:23 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Cosmik Debris At 12:54 PM 5/10/99 -0400, The Great Quail wrote: >God, I *hate* Crichton! Everthing after "The >Terminal Man" was the same goddamn ideas recycled over and over again . . >. Science is Bad . . . Science is Bad . . . and that's not even >mentioning his terrible writing! Ha! Exactly! Not to mention, here was the most technically advanced film of its time, "Jurassic Park," ranting on about how other technological advancements in different fields like genetic research and amusement park services were going to spell D-E-E-S-A-S-T-E-R for the noble savage called "human being." Kind of like an anti-gun protestor putting a 9mm out of commission by shooting it with his .45. Or having warmonger Bill Clinton host a national summit on "violence." "Science and technology, what have they ever done for us...," he said, over his cell-phone. Of course, I'm not sure it was Crichton who decided to go all-out on state-of-the-art effects. According to the Internet Movie Database, "Jurassic Park 3" is going to be set in San Diego some more. Woohoo, I think. It isn't fair that bigger cities like New York, LA, and Tokyo are always getting stomped on by all the really good monsters. >...."The >Abyss" is a great movie, terribly underrated... Most of "The Abyss" was OK, but the ending sucked big ol' brontosaurus dicks. Gods descending from pulley mechanisms and all that. And, talk about almost Crichtonesque bad writing: "We should all be dead right now." "Yeah. They must have done something to us." [quoted from memory] "Something?!?!?!!?!?" Grrrrrrr(tm)! But, the CPR scene worked so well, I even started tearing up the first time I saw it. On a side note, but sticking to the film discussions, believe it or not, I think "Bill and Ted" was the high-point of Keanu Reeves' acting career. Back then, he would actually try to emote. I think he's been IN much, much, much better movies, especially the ones with State names in the titles, but has never DONE a better job portraying a character, dudes. - --Jason, who is pretty sure the 'raptors in "Jurassic Park" represented 3rd world "budding capitalist" economies, the T-Rex represented American Big Business, Jeff Goldblum's character represented the Gaia-worshipping back-to-basics environmental movement, and the little computer-wiz girl represented little computer-wiz girls. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Different Strokes It's hard to top Dana Plato jumping in a pine box, but cartoonist cum laude Shel Silverstein just cacked it. I'll miss his work. Bob Hope is seriously due. BTW, I heard Plato on Friday's Stern show. She was wired and quite labile--a bad combo... Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #174 *******************************