From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #173 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 9 1999 Volume 08 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more from the heir to the D# throne [Eb ] Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! [Katherine Rossner ] Re: elvis [amadain ] Re: Quickie movie review [Eb ] Sphere [Joel Mullins ] Re: The Anatolian Sousa Marches [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Harrisongs [Joel Mullins ] Re: To Eb ["D B" ] elvine politics ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] sphere ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: oz (i'm on a poeia) [tclark@apple.com] Re: nuggets [Chris ] Re: sphere [Joel Mullins ] Poetry, film and cartoons, what need of anything else??? [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: elvine politics [amadain ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:24:41 -0800 From: Eb Subject: more from the heir to the D# throne > From: crary@my-dejanews.com [responding to someone's contrary viewpoint] > Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles > Subject: Re: www.inergy.com/crary > Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:37:13 GMT > > Don't you realize how pitiful you are in the eyes of your Gods? Doesn't my > case tell you anything about them? Well, to me it's a pitiful response to a > very serious problem. To think that Lennon trusted the likes of you. It > couldn't be sadder. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 15:54:54 -0700 From: Katherine Rossner Subject: Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! >From: amadain >So here's what I'm wondering about. How come it's always these weird sexual >things? It's never "they painted horrible insults all over my car" or "they >broke into my house and smashed everything I owned" or "they beat up my dog >and left his corpse on my doorstep". Seems to me you could build a >conspiracy around that sort of thing just as easily ("Man, I was at your >house in January, it looked fine", "Well, you must be in on the whole >thing"). >Any clinicians (or others) in the house have any thoughts? I hadn't really thought about it before, but how's this for a guess: because it's repressed material (of one sort or another) getting projected onto the outside world. Not necessarily repressed memories of abuse, though that's one possibility, but all the things that one ordinarily doesn't think about or at least doesn't express. Whatever one is repressing, plus the sort of mental illness that's leading one to express/project/interpret in a way that doesn't match social rules or consensus reality, will (again, I'm hypothesizing) determine the content. Hm. This was clear in my head, but I'm not sure I'm expressing it clearly. In Susan's example: if there were a burglary or graffiti, one could generally talk about that sort of thing openly; it doesn't need to be repressed and then projected. But if someone is afraid and/or ashamed of sexual thoughts and feelings and maybe experiences, to the degree that s/he's unable to tolerate having them in consciousness, those are the elements that will be repressed. And then, if that person *also* has a tendency to paranoia, those same elements get projected onto the outside world: they break out of their repression but don't have to be acknowledged as belonging to the person him/herself and are experienced as coming from elsewhere--alien abductions, the CIA, etc. Somewhat similarly: the auditory hallucinations of a paranoid schizophrenic are very unlikely to be voices saying "gee, what a nice guy this person is". Much more likely to be "you stink, everybody hates you, go kill yourself"--again, it's what the person fears and is ashamed of and has repressed from consciousness, experienced as coming from outside hostile forces rather than within oneself. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:23:28 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: elvis Yes, I've read, Dead Elvis: one of my favourite books.>You of all people should... la-di-da< Susan, you don't seem to have followed the letter you mention through to Elvis's well documented, impromptu appearance at the Nixon White House. Bombed out of his head on prescription drugs he demanded, and was given a Feds' anti narcotics badge by someone Eddie would still rate as a better President than Clinton. (As an atheist I still pray for you American folks.......) But even though you replied to me slightly patronisingly, and I've replied to you slightly patronisingly, I'm glad we both understand that just because Elvis never said, 'Troops out of Saigon' it doesn't mean that he wasn't political. Trot Elvis. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 20:22:26 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: elvis >Yes, I've read, Dead Elvis: one of my favourite books.>You of all people >should... la-di-da< I wasn't attempting to patronize you. I simply didn't know if you had read it or not, and thought I might mention it in case you had not because if you had not, you might find it "particularly interesting". Recommending a book that someone might be interested in isn't patronizing where I come from. >Susan, you don't seem to have followed the letter you mention through to >Elvis's well documented, impromptu appearance at the Nixon White House. I'm well familiar with that. Among other things, it's talked about in that book :). >to you slightly patronisingly, I'm glad we both understand that just >because Elvis never said, 'Troops out of Saigon' it doesn't mean that he >wasn't political He had political convictions, for sure, very strong ones. I'm not sure that S Dwarf isn't right that it was at least partly about having another badge, i.e., something to do with a power craving. In that case it has more to do with psychology than politics. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:36:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Quickie movie review Natalie: >And, of course, Keanu can't act his way out of a >paper bag - he couldn't even vomit realistically. That's a pet peeve of mine. Why is vomiting so rarely realistic in films/television shows? I don't require that I see a fountain of spewed foodmush, but at least the *sound* could be real. Yet instead of the typical "raaaaarrrrrrrgh" sound, we almost always get something resembling a "choking cough." Blah. Totally inadequate. Eb PS Saw "King of Hearts" last night...wow, neat film. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:27:47 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Sphere Just saw Sphere. That movie presents some pretty weird ideas about time. The movie seemed kind of rushed. The book probably explains things a little better. But it seems to me that the whole thing is one big circle. They say that they can't change the future, and the present is totally dependent on the what happens in the future because it was the ship going into a black hole in the future that brought it to the present. Therefore, when they agree to forget the sphere, they send it back to where it will be found in the future and everything can happen again, which would mean that the sphere and ship would be right back at the bottom of the ocean in the present. Wow! That's pretty interesting. And it gives us a new way to look at Lost Highway, which I've never been able to figure out. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Anatolian Sousa Marches On Sat, 8 May 1999, JH3 wrote: > Isn't it exaggerating a little to use the term "novelty hits"? He was > just trying to be loose 'n' light-hearted, have a bit of fun and what not. > You might as well say the same sort of thing about a lot of Robyn > Hitchcock's work. (Remember the "Yip" thread?) I just feel like I > have to pipe up here simply because Ram is my favorite album > by an ex-Beatle. The biggest difference between a novelty hit and a light-hearted, humorous song is sales, I say. If some unknown released "3 Legs" or "Monkberry Moon Delight" and it got to #15 on the US charts, it'd be making the K-Tel rounds as we speak. (Same with "I Something You", give or take a few years). As far as ex-Beatles go, I thnk that "All Things Must Pass" is a better album because it's a collection of material built up through the years and meant to compete with the rest of the Beatles catalogue (each Harrison song on an album means one less Lennon/McCartney) as opposed to songs written with the intent of showing separation from the old Beatles mode. Incidentally, I saw a Beach Boys album today, said it was made in Spain and featured 20 original hits. The songs were all miscredited, and half of them weren't by the Beach Boys at all. I recognized one as being by The American Dream (aka The Frogmen). Odd, that. (No, it isn't relevant. I just don't have anyone else to tell.) Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:50:18 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Harrisongs - ---- On Sat, 8 May 1999, JH3 wrote: > I just feel like I > > have to pipe up here simply because Ram is my favorite album > > by an ex-Beatle. - ---- normal@grove.ufl.edu wrote: > As far as ex-Beatles go, I thnk that "All Things Must Pass" is a > better album because it's a collection of material built up through the > years and meant to compete with the rest of the Beatles catalogue (each > Harrison song on an album means one less Lennon/McCartney) as opposed to > songs written with the intent of showing separation from the old Beatles > mode. I'm gonna agree with Terrence here. I love Ram, but All Things Must Pass is definitely my favorite album by an ex-Beatle. In fact, while making my all-time list for the FegPoll, I placed it at #3. I think I put Ram somewhere in the teens. They're both great albums, but George is so much better than the credit he gets. He's a great songwriter and a terrific guitarist. He is and was every bit as good as John and Paul. He just wasn't allowed to contribute as many songs when the Beatles were together. And I still find it interesting that many people's favorite Beatles songs are George Harrison tunes (i.e. Something, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Here Comes the Sun). And the more obsure ones are even better, IMHO, like Savoy Truffle. I've always loved that song. And by the way, All Things Must Pass may be George's best solo effort, but it's not his only good one. All throughout the 70's, he continued to release great albums. And Cloud Nine was better than anything Paul's done in a long time. - --Joel, whose wondering if anyone can guess who his favorite Beatle is. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:18:27 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: To Eb Come away, human child, to the water... And the wild... With a faery, hand in hand.... For the world's more full of weeping, than he can understand... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 07:53:31 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: elvine politics Susan, Very sorry. I mistook your tone as a result of ten pints of the magical falling down water. I think that a lot of debate concerning 'the political' is a result of people disagreeing the nature of the term. For example, you talk about Elvis's badge- hunting as more in the realm of the psychological rather than the political. I think that in this case, and in fact in most cases, the two are inextricably linked.'The political' often being the effect to 'the psychological's' cause. Crypto-Freudian Elvis. jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:27:25 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: sphere Joel wrote 9/5/99 >The movie presents some pretty weird ideas about time< When I watched it I was absolutely certain that I'd found some fundamental flaws in the way they presented these 'weird ideas', but (of bloody course) I can't for the life of me remember the sheer brilliance of my deductions. I might watch it again to see if I was deluding myself. It is certainly an interesting movie, though not a five-star rocker. Good performances from Sam L. Jackson and Sharon Stone, and a pretty irritating one from Dustin Hoffman: it strikes me that he's becoming a parody of himself. In the genre I think The Abyss is probably better, though the cartoon, Marine Boy has got to be my all-time fave. One slightly quirky thing is that the film has two completely incompatible recording artistes in cameo roles. Queen Latifah plays a technician on the underwater base. And Huey Lewis portrays a helicopter pilot with typical blue collar aplomb (hee,hee). Spherical Elvis. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:27:27 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: sphere Joel wrote 9/5/99 >The movie presents some pretty weird ideas about time< When I watched it I was absolutely certain that I'd found some fundamental flaws in the way they presented these 'weird ideas', but (of bloody course) I can't for the life of me remember the sheer brilliance of my deductions. I might watch it again to see if I was deluding myself. It is certainly an interesting movie, though not a five-star rocker. Good performances from Sam L. Jackson and Sharon Stone, and a pretty irritating one from Dustin Hoffman: it strikes me that he's becoming a parody of himself. In the genre I think The Abyss is probably better, though the cartoon, Marine Boy has got to be my all-time fave. One slightly quirky thing is that the film has two completely incompatible recording artistes in cameo roles. Queen Latifah plays a technician on the underwater base. And Huey Lewis portrays a helicopter pilot with typical blue collar aplomb (hee,hee). Spherical Elvis. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:04:59 -0800 From: tclark@apple.com Subject: Re: oz (i'm on a poeia) > From: "steve" > > Bayard: > >as i am given to understand, Baum was looking at his file cabinets and one > >was labelled OZ (for O through Z) and this gave him the idea for the name. > >I cannot confirm or deny the veracity of this, however. > > I'm no expert on Baum, but I believe The Wizard of Oz is tied to the > Grange /Progressive movement. Oz refers to the desire to keep a currency > based on metals, or perhaps the reverse. Dorothy's slippers are actually > Silver (changed in the movie) and the "yellow" brick road is obviously > Gold. The various characters represent politicians and other influential > persons of the time. This is all based on my vague memory of a program I > heard on NPR. I'm totally surprised that TGQ or some other Feg has not > provided a long essay on the above. > Thank god somebody else has heard of this theory. A U.S. History professor I had in college explained this also, but it was so long ago I couldn't remember the particulars. If you research this and get the full story it really is fascinating - well, to us history sluts anyways... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: nuggets >From: Capuchin > >>On Fri, 7 May 1999, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: >> From the sublime to the bizarre: there is also a strange little >> autobiographical track from The Barbarians sung by their one-armed >> drummer. This is true. A friend of mine had a whole album of theirs >> and sitting proudly on the cover holding up his hook is 'Moulty'. >The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! >The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! Yes, but Moulty was soooo much cooler (which probably goes without saying) because he had a hook, which he strapped his drum stick to, thus enabling him to play the drums! No wussy foot pedals set up so that he could use his foot instead of his arm like Def Leps drummer. Yeah, I know, they didn't have them in the mid 60s, but Moulty wouldn't of used them anyway I tell ya! He even wrote that cool song about losing his hand, and having the hook. Moulty was truely ahead of his time. Last I heard about him was several years ago when Goldmine had a short feature on him. He owned a carpet store somewhere in Massachusetts. On a side note, the my license plate for the past 10 years or more has read "Moulty". I kid you not. I've only met 3 people in those years who have said "hey, does that refer to the drummer with the hook for a hand?" Everyone else says "whats Moulty mean?" Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:38:43 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: sphere jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > > Joel wrote 9/5/99 > > >The movie presents some pretty weird ideas about time< > > When I watched it I was absolutely certain that I'd found some fundamental > flaws in the way they presented these 'weird ideas', but (of bloody course) > I can't for the life of me remember the sheer brilliance of my deductions. I thought the same thing. It seemed that it was contradicting itself. But I just assumed that the reason it seemed this way aws because they were trying to stuff the entire book into 2 hours and not explaining things very well. Of course, I could be wrong. > Good performances from > Sam L. Jackson and Sharon Stone, and a pretty irritating one from Dustin > Hoffman: it strikes me that he's becoming a parody of himself. I love Dustin Hoffman, but you're right. He's not doing the same kinds of roles these days. I'd love to see him do more dramas. > In the genre > I think The Abyss is probably better, though the cartoon, Marine Boy has > got to be my all-time fave. I've never seen The Abyss. I think I'll go rent it today. I've always wanted to see it, but just never have gotten around to it. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:32:40 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Poetry, film and cartoons, what need of anything else??? At 5.20 AM -0700 5/6/99, Michael R Godwin wrote: >Right. I go back to the glory days of the first Huckleberry Hound series, >with Yogi as second string and Pixie and Dixie as the third item. And Top >Cat (click - crunch - creak - 'The Boss Cat' - clunk) is the greatest. I vaguely remember Top Cat. My friend across the street named her cat, of course, TC. But I absolutely loved Felix The Cat and watched it every Saturday or after school or whenever it played. My second fav was Mr. Peabody and the Way Back Machine. At 8.36 PM -0700 5/8/99, Eb wrote: >PS Saw "King of Hearts" last night...wow, neat film. King of Hearts - used to play the college circut with Harold and Maude. I loved that film...a young Alan Bates. At 11.18 PM -0700 5/8/99, D B wrote: >Come away, human child, to the water... >And the wild... >With a faery, hand in hand.... >For the world's more full of weeping, than he can understand... W. B. Yeats. Stolen Child is a beautiful poem. Shakespearean fish swam the sea, far away from land; Romantic fish swam the nets coming to the hand; What are all those fish that lie gasping on the strand? WBY And might I suggest my favorite Poe poem: "From Childhoods Hour". Of course, in the same vein there is the Robinson Jeffers poem: "Love the Wild Swan". listen, there's a hell of a universe next door let's go. e.e. cummings Be seeing you, - - Carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:47:19 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Saturday report: I went to see the Storefront flick and I am sick. In fact, I got sick during the movie. I am not sure why, but clearly during the movie, I got sick. Were talking illness not seen since late February. I do not know if it was the movie, but I am sure it did not help. The film was not that good, at all. Why, you ask? Let briefly outline the reasons... 1) Terrible lighting. Terrible. Indeed this was supposed to be a "live" event, but they did not take advantage of the fact that you could put lights in places where you cannot during a real live event. Bad move. Also, the color of the lights was way ugly, dude. Where there should have been a mix of warm and cool lights, there was only a cold light, often times a single light at that. There just was NO creativity with lighting, says the still photographer. 2) There was no point to the film. It was not a presentation of what Mr. H does. It just happened to be Robyn Hitchcock signing a bunch of Robyn Hitchcock songs. I could have been anybody. There was no reason to do it, not why this was going on, no conclusion to the event. It just picked up where the VCR started recording and then ran out of tape. Or so it felt to me. Even a Cheech and Chong movie has some sort of reason for being--smoke dope, make jokes, get out of jail free. This did not present any sort of hook that made you want to watch--what was the point? Although, this is a common problem with music on the big screen. 3) The props equally lacked the imagination of the lighting. They were there, but often inside jokes for the fanbase. In the case with the disco ball that was the future computer out on the cliff, it worked for a short bit. But then just turned into a visual thingy with no great significance. 4) Deni and Tim were much more of a compliment to RH. When they were present there was something more going on. I think the film should have been about 50 minutes long at the most. Some six or so songs. It just was far to long to go on without a point or drive to it. Or, perhaps, if there was some sort of group of musicians switching of and on it would be more varied and a visual treat. Some goes for the album of the same name. The pre and post events were quite nice. Winning the furthest traveled award was Jason, some impressive distance all the way from the hostile regions near La Jolla, CA. The rest of us struggled from the East Bay regions. Although, attendance was sparse. The pre event was miles, nay... light years ahead of the film for me. There is a Tuesday event which is rumored to be better attended, along with better theater seats. I am not going to the movie again--it pains me to sit that long in front of an oversized TV. Although, there is a pre-event discussed and hopefully a post-event. Although, I cannot guarantee you won't get sick during the movie. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:55:41 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: elvine politics >Susan, > >Very sorry. I mistook your tone as a result of ten pints of the magical >falling down water. Apology accepted. Plus, my hat's off to you for being able to type coherently :). >Elvis's badge- hunting as more in the realm of the psychological rather >than the political. I think that in this case, and in fact in most cases, >the two are inextricably linked.'The political' often being the effect to >'the psychological's' cause. I won't disagree with you regarding the personal as the political. I would add a caveat though. Elvis is frequently assessed as this iconic figure, particularly by Europeans for some reason. The truth is tho, the rock and roll period in question (I mean the 50s prior to the arrival on the scene of lots of boyish and less unruly fellows named Bobby) was full of Horatio Alger stories, people who crossed barriers of class, race, and culture, people whose image embodied multiple contradictions. It's not like Elvis was even the first. So it kinda pushes my irritation buttons a bit that everything he ever did is considered really -important- and discussed to death just because -he- did it. Is his badge-collecting more significant than say, Richie Valens being a Hispanic in the rock and roll medium and having a number one hit with a Spanish-language tune, Little Richard wearing mascara and acting like a big queen on stage and basically being a living taunt to a society frightened of black men and homosexuality, Buddy Holly being the only white guy on a package tour, Chuck Berry breaking from traditional rock and roll subject matter to write a song about his custody battles......and the list of things I personally feel are more politically or culturally significant than Elvine badges goes on and on and on. Love on ya, Susan P.S. RIP Dirk Bogarde ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #173 *******************************