From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #172 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 8 1999 Volume 08 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! [Capuchin ] Re: nuggets [Capuchin ] Re: oz (i'm on a poeia) [steve ] Re: nuggets [Eb ] Re: nuggets ["Chris!" ] Re: nuggets [Eb ] Re: All the things she gave me.... ["D B" ] The Anatolian Sousa Marches ["JH3" ] Elvine politics ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! [amadain ] Re: The Anatolian Sousa Marches ["Capitalism Blows" ] "Shadduppa You Face" [lj lindhurst ] Re: Elvine politics [S Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! On Fri, 7 May 1999, Eb wrote: > From: crary@my-dejanews.com > Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles > Subject: www.inergy.com/crary > Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:20:02 GMT > Flinch. Another futile attempt to put my website : > www.inergy.com/crary into perspective for those who are disengaged from > the ideas presented. Here's my favorite bit on the website, for those keeping score (Referring to Peter Gabriel): For those who believe the media propaganda that Fred Rogers of Mister Rogers' fame is a philanthrophist or advocate for children, take note: this is also his church and he was almost certainly party to Gabriel's subsequent acts of horror and abuse. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:07:49 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: nuggets Yup, the new Nuggets box-set is based on the beautiful old double album compiled by Lenny Kaye. I have it in two different gatefold sleeve designs, anorak that I am. There are lots of extra tracks added mainly from the spin-off Pebbles series, which currently stands at volume thirty-ish. The stand out track for me is Don't Look Back by The Remains, an opus of complex majesty rare in the genre. From the sublime to the bizarre: there is also a strange little autobiographical track from The Barbarians sung by their one-armed drummer. This is true. A friend of mine had a whole album of theirs and sitting proudly on the cover holding up his hook is 'Moulty'. I know both Django and Garcia were missing digits but a whole arm..? You've got to hand it to him, I suppose. Also on this album, JH3, is a truly brilliant version of Baby Please Don't Go by Ted Nugent And The Amboy Dukes. I'm sure you know the story about the cover of their first album. It's crammed with drugs paraphernalia. Now that Completely Sane Ted is a bastion of the Guns, Shooters and Shells party he denies that he knew at the time what this design meant. Strange, but I don't believe him. Elgar Arlan Presoe. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: nuggets On Fri, 7 May 1999, jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > From the sublime to the bizarre: there is also a strange little > autobiographical track from The Barbarians sung by their one-armed > drummer. This is true. A friend of mine had a whole album of theirs > and sitting proudly on the cover holding up his hook is 'Moulty'. I > know both Django and Garcia were missing digits but a whole arm..? The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! The drummer from Def Leppard's only got one arm! What song is that, anyway? > You've got to hand it to him, I suppose. That was just unspeakably bad. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:40:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: oz (i'm on a poeia) Bayard: >as i am given to understand, Baum was looking at his file cabinets and one >was labelled OZ (for O through Z) and this gave him the idea for the name. >I cannot confirm or deny the veracity of this, however. I'm no expert on Baum, but I believe The Wizard of Oz is tied to the Grange /Progressive movement. Oz refers to the desire to keep a currency based on metals, or perhaps the reverse. Dorothy's slippers are actually Silver (changed in the movie) and the "yellow" brick road is obviously Gold. The various characters represent politicians and other influential persons of the time. This is all based on my vague memory of a program I heard on NPR. I'm totally surprised that TGQ or some other Feg has not provided a long essay on the above. And, of course, The Wizard of Oz provided the title of one of my favorite movies, which was dreamed by the director. Public Service Announcement: Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson is out now. Do not let "Smartypants" Hedges put you off checking out this possible Fegbook classic. Pynchon is often mentioned, as is Gibson, but it looks more like Sterling to me. - - Steve _____________________ "Oh no! You accuse me of writing the Ewok National Anthem!" Partridge yelps, in obvious distress. "Please, no! I've had a lot of people accuse that track of being very Arabic; but it's very pagan, very English. There's a slight dromedary whiff about the percussion, admittedly; but it goes no further east than Norwich. And no Ewoks were involved." - - Andy Partridge, commenting on a description of "Greenman". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:08:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: nuggets Russ: >Unfortunately many of the nuggets from the other LPs are misisng...and some >of the stuff shown on the cover--like the Five American's "Western Union" >(Which I think is a GREAT pop song)--is not included among the 4 discs. Yup. Years ago, I taped 2.5 90-minute cassettes' worth of highlights from all 12 volumes of Rhino's late-'80s Nuggets vinyl series. I was hoping that the box would pretty much replace those tapes. It didn't. I still have about 50 songs on tape which aren't on the box. Glancing at the titles, it looks like a lot of the tracks are from the "Pop" volumes of the Nuggets series, which I guess makes sense -- the songs were too sugary to fit the new Nuggets boxset, which follows the original garage-punk concept a lot more closely. Parenthetical: I talked to someone I know at DreamWorks yesterday, and he says that Rufus Wainwright has still sold only 65,000 copies. Awwww. :( Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:28:43 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: nuggets Eb wrote: > > Russ: > >Unfortunately many of the nuggets from the other LPs are misisng... > >... which I guess makes sense -- the songs were too sugary to fit the > new Nuggets boxset, which follows the original garage-punk concept a lot > more closely. My understanding, from an interview with Kaye [sp?] on Fresh Aire, is that there was licensing problems with the tracks that are missing. The was a very concience effort to include all of the tracks from the original series. But, a few got hung up on the legal hook, not really an artistic decision. napping, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:40:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: nuggets Chris: >My understanding, from an interview with Kaye [sp?] on Fresh Aire, is >that there was licensing problems with the tracks that are missing. >The was a very concience effort to include all of the tracks from the >original series. But, a few got hung up on the legal hook, not really >an artistic decision. I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about Rhino's *reissued* Nuggets series, which was a set of 12 vinyl records. Do the math: 12 x 40 minutes = 480 minutes isn't going to fit on four CDs, no matter what you do. A lot of tracks had to be discarded. And frankly, there were some pretty weak tracks spread throughout those records. If memory serves, there were three or four stinkers per record. Those were the ones I didn't tape. As far as licensing goes, I was surprised that Blue Cheer's "Summertime Blues" wasn't on the box. I bet that's one where licensing problems arose. (I think Mercury may own the Blue Cheer material?) Eb, who still has Volumes 1 and 9 of the Rhino series on vinyl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:43:40 PDT From: "D B" Subject: Re: All the things she gave me.... TV sucks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:00:48 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: The Anatolian Sousa Marches Hey Fegz! Sorry about my confusing Shelley with Poe earlier; I could claim that I was thinking of a Poe poem called "Tamerlane" written at about the same time, but the fact is I was at the office and away from my reference materials yet again. OTOH, spreading lies, confusion and disinformation is my primary purpose in life, so hey, score one more for me! Woo-hoo! >immediately after reading this, the last message in digest 8/169, I turned >to the day's Chalkhills. The first message had the subject line "Re: >Turkish music redux". I'm beginning to think that space is not just >curved, but stapled. I think they just patch it together with binder clips and carbona. I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion of Ottoman history these days (in general, that is, not necessarily on this list), in light of the Kosovo situation... The stuff they've been passing off as "historical context" in the mass media is so grossly oversimplified, it's laughable. Admittedly it's an extraordinarily complex chain of events, but it's still kind of alarming. >Soon, very soon, I will treat you to my essay on the connections between >Presley and Poe......I will also be engaging on the political Presley >thang in the near future. Y'know, I never said I didn't *like* Elvis - on the contrary. I just didn't think his work was very political. I only own a couple of compilations, though... maybe there are some live tapes around where he uses between-song patter to exhort his fans to, you know, do political stuff? That'd be *cool*. Okay, I guess there was that thing about the sex-change operation... But that was just a *joke*, I swear! >...The problem is that it sounds like the concept of the album [Ram] is >"This is what it'd sound like if I tried to write novelty hits but failed". >If I wanted that, I'd put on a Roger Rusking Spear album and actually >hear someone try to write novelty hits and fail. Isn't it exaggerating a little to use the term "novelty hits"? He was just trying to be loose 'n' light-hearted, have a bit of fun and what not. You might as well say the same sort of thing about a lot of Robyn Hitchcock's work. (Remember the "Yip" thread?) I just feel like I have to pipe up here simply because Ram is my favorite album by an ex-Beatle. >PS Post what you think about the Dome albums, if you own 'em. I think I like Elvis Presley better than Dome, for example, even though Wire is one of my favorite bands. I just don't like tape loops for some reason... But I liked Dome 1 better than Colin Newman's "Bastard" album, and IIRC Eb liked "Bastard," if that means anything. And Elvis never did any tape loops, to my knowledge. >"My father was an educator at Columbia, and the author of America's >Stake in Human Rights. For whatever reason I was molested and tortured >as a child by persons who went on to kill John Lennon..." For "whatever reason"? I think the reason's pretty obvious. The people behind the Massive International Lennon-Assassination Conspiracy have always been pretty hard-assed about people who insist on ridiculously complex sentence constructions. >Also on this album, JH3, is a truly brilliant version of Baby Please Don't >Go by Ted Nugent And The Amboy Dukes. I'm sure you know the story >about the cover of their first album. It's crammed with drugs paraphernalia. Whoa, I don't think they mentioned THAT on the VH-1 special! They did say that he was *always* a gun nut, though. It sounded like his parents were giving him high-powered rifles as crib toys. >TV sucks. Agreed, but I don't think they mentioned that on the VH-1 special either. John "Missing Right Quote" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 06:03:29 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Elvine politics The class system in America. The North South divide. Race relations in the U.S.A. The 'War on drugs'. America as post-war world policeman. The rise of the tele-visual media, and associated PR and corporate structures. Choose one of the above, and discuss in relation to Elvis Aron Presley. Academic Elvis. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Quickie movie review Finally saw "The Matrix" last night. Cool concept but somewhat clumsily executed, with some huge plot holes. Some pretty good fight scenes, and great special effects. And, of course, Keanu can't act his way out of a paper bag - he couldn't even vomit realistically. But oh, those costumes! The ultra-cool all-black outfits! I desperately want those boots with the buckles up the side - I wonder if they come in women's sizes? n. (who only liked "Titanic" because of the costumes) np: Beulah, "When Your Heartstrings Break" (finally!) p.s. Quickie Robyn/Fegdream - Viv and I were at a little apartment where Robyn and his girlfriend were staying. As Robyn (in a blue bathrobe) exited the kitchen, I remarked that the huge decaying mansion where we had met him earlier suited him better. Viv shushed me furiously. Later, Viv and I were adrift on a raft with a tortoise she named Tisco Bob, while she tried on nail polish and I negotiated with superhumanly intelligent babies. You see what seeing big-budget sci-fi films before you go to bed can do to you? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:37:40 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: well, D# just doesn't post anymore, darn it! >For those who believe the media propaganda that Fred Rogers of Mister >Rogers' fame is a philanthrophist or advocate for children, take note: >this is also his church and he was almost certainly party to Gabriel's >subsequent acts of horror and abuse. OK, I just couldn't resist after I read that. I had to find out what was the deal with dissing Mr. Rogers in this manner. Well.....actually I never did entirely figure out what Mr. Rogers had to do with it aside from having at one time been part of the congregation of a particular church. But that isn't what I wanted to write about. His account reminded me a LOT of a book I read awhile back, called "The Professor and The Madman". It's a fascinating account of one of the main contributers to the OED, who was also most likely a paranoid schizophrenic. He reported remarkably similar tortures (though IIRC in his case he seemed to feel that they were supernatural in origin). It also reminded me of a guy an ex of mine knew who insisted that the CIA and various other parties were using among other things, some similar tactics in their efforts to turn him into a homosexual. So here's what I'm wondering about. How come it's always these weird sexual things? It's never "they painted horrible insults all over my car" or "they broke into my house and smashed everything I owned" or "they beat up my dog and left his corpse on my doorstep". Seems to me you could build a conspiracy around that sort of thing just as easily ("Man, I was at your house in January, it looked fine", "Well, you must be in on the whole thing"). But that's hardly ever part of the thing, and when it is, it isn't nearly, I dunno, prevalent as the oddly imaginative sexual tortures: "they made me commit self-sodomy with a soup ladle while teenage girls watched and laughed" or "they forced me to jerk off to pictures of jello-wrestling dwarves". Any clinicians (or others) in the house have any thoughts? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:53:05 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Elvine politics >The 'War on drugs'. Who said Elvis was never political? Now I don't know if he exhorted audiences from the stage to fight the evil hippies, but I do know that he wrote a letter volunteering his services to President Nixon as an anti-drug spy. I guess that would mean then, that the last thing he'd want to do would be to take a public anti-drug stance and alienate those who might be potential catches. If any of the rich and multifaceted ironies inherent in this situation ever occurred to him, it has not been recorded. >Academic Elvis. jmbc. Have you read "Dead Elvis"? If not, you of all people really should. It has the text of the letter in question- if I knew which box it was in, I could even tell you if it was a reproduction of said letter or not, which I believe it actually was. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 12:43:00 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The Anatolian Sousa Marches just listening to a debate between howard zinn and william buckley on "reform or revolution" (from 1971), and in his opening remarks, zinn says that he prepared for the debate by watching The Bridge On The River Kwai. cool! it's not *that* complex, really. and the u.s. chain of events is even less so: - --facilitated the ethnic cleansing of 150,000 serbs from the krajina, and currently blocking the trying of the generals responsible, for war crimes. - --refused to allow the non-violent ethnic albanian resistance to be seated at dayton, choosing to work solely with milosevic, "a man we can deal with". - --opposed (and continue to oppose to this day) independence for kosovo. - --created a document based on its own perceived interests at rambouillet, (*reluctantly* signed onto by the kla), and issued an ultimatum to milosevic (sign or we bomb). - --initiated bombing, resulting in a massive increase in repression of ethnic albanians (which result the pentagon deemed "entirely predictable"), and the destruction of the democratic serb resistance. - --bombing civilian areas, bridges, maternity wards, tv stations, etc. etc., creating a gargantuan humanitarian catastrophe, and now talks of placing an iraq-style embargo on yugoslavia. anyhow, MULE VARIATIONS is the #1 album in seattle, according to soundscan. "there are no rules. this is war! not a game of cricket." --general saito _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 15:54:04 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: "Shadduppa You Face" anecdote! Since this came up, I think I should mention that my friend Mike Kowalski and I did a little musical number lip-sync-ed to this song at the sixth grade talent show. My sister, however, painted her face like Peter Criss and was all prepared to sing "Beth", but was horrified to see that another guy-- the class LOSER, whose name was actually *Reuben James*-- had ALSO showed up in Peter Criss makeup to sing "Beth" as well! So she refused to go on, and then Reuben James WON the talent show, which caused her to cry all the way home! Not a pretty sight. My sister also had a traumatic experience the year she decided to go trick-or-treating with her face made up as Spiderman. But that's another story. lj ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "who do you what do you why do you do?" --Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: Elvine politics amadain wrote: > >The 'War on drugs'. > Who said Elvis was never political? Now I don't know > if he exhorted audiences from the stage to fight the > evil hippies, but I do know that he wrote a letter > volunteering his services to President Nixon as an > anti-drug spy. I guess that would mean then, that > the last thing he'd want to do would be to take a > public anti-drug stance and alienate those who might > be potential catches. If any of the rich and > multifaceted ironies inherent in this situation ever > occurred to him, it has not been recorded. nevermind how out of it he looks in that picture of him with nixon; supposedly though, that was just part of him trying to add to a collection of police/other law enforcement badges. i'm no great elvis presley expert (and i don't really like his stuff that much), but i recall reading that in at least a couple places; that it was more him wanting the badge than having any coherant anti-drug stance. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #172 *******************************