From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #164 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: this is the most horrible thing I've read in quite awhile [Charles Gi] Oneiric communications from beyond the grave [Natalie Jacobs ] "Rock over London! Rock on Seattle, Washington!" ["Capitalism Blows" ] recipient list suppressed ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: more Wire, including Robyn content ["Capitalism Blows" ] re: Randi [Danielle ] Re: Celebrity deathwatch/Mondegreens [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (Jame] oops..Randi's e-mail not quite working.. [Carole Reichstein ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:17:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles Gillett Subject: Re: this is the most horrible thing I've read in quite awhile On Sat, 1 May 1999 03:35:16 -0800 Eb wrote: > http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/archives/1998/111298/feature1-1.html > >Daaaaaaaamn. There's an article about the article at: http://desert.net/ww/01-04-99/austin_music_feature2.html and a new "sequel" to the article at: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999/042999/house1.html which I guess is what is getting people talking now. The original article is copied all to hell and back, which makes web searches more of a chore. - -- Charles Wit from the desert.net 1/4 main page: "Curt Kirkwood of the Meat Puppets talks about his brother and fellow band member Cris Kirkwood's heroin addiction. We also hear from David Holthouse who broke the brutally frank story of the band's drug use in the alternative press back in November. And in a more lighthearted vein Tucson Weekly rounds up the Best Albums of 1998." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Oneiric communications from beyond the grave I don't think Eddie will be as impressed by this dream, but I thought it was kind of neat. It's not every day you get to talk to your dead heroes, even in dreams. In the first part of the dream, I had gone to some sort of memorial service with Nick Drake, who apparently was a friend of mine. (The service wasn't for him.) He had run off somewhere in the middle of it and I didn't know what happened to him. The next day I was sitting in the backyard playing my guitar and observing a tiny bird which clung to the headstock, when the phone rang. I picked it up and a quiet, posh voice said, "Hello, I guess it's Nick." "Nick!" I said in surprise. "How are you doing?" He answered vaguely. I asked him a bunch of other questions, because I was worried about him, but his answers were always very indirect, e.g. I asked him where he was and he replied, "Oh, I'm here... I'm sleeping on the couch." He sounded reasonably cheerful but I could tell he wasn't quite all there - he reminded me of friends who were mentally ill or on drugs; his conversation was very disjointed and I had to let things slide a lot. (It wasn't a dream-like disjointedness, either - - it was very realistic.) But I was glad he seemed happy. He even laughed a bit. And he sounded very posh and soft-voiced and pleasant, just like in real life. I recall telling him a little about my guitar, knowing he wouldn't be impressed, and that's all I remember. Uh... does this count as starfucking? Just wondering. n. p.s. The bird in the dream was not a quail. It was a rose-breasted something-or-other. Perhaps it was a rose-breasted miniature creeping quail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:49:23 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: this is the most horrible thing I've read in quite awhile In a message dated 5/1/99 6:21:15 AM, gill0042@tc.umn.edu writes: << > http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/archives/1998/111298/feature1-1.html > >Daaaaaaaamn. There's an article about the article at: http://desert.net/ww/01-04-99/austin_music_feature2.html and a new "sequel" to the article at: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999/042999/house1.html >> Holy shit. That's one pretty fucked up story. God, that's just so sad. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:29:09 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: feg dreaming At 7.48 AM -0700 5/1/99, Natalie Jacobs wrote: The next day I was sitting in the >backyard playing my guitar and observing a tiny bird which clung to the >headstock, when the phone rang. I picked it up and a quiet, posh voice >said, "Hello, I guess it's Nick." "Nick!" I said in surprise. "How are >you doing?" Natalie, this is strangely near to my own dreaming last night, although I wasn't talking with the dead. I was at my sisters house, she being out of town for the weekend, and trying to find something under all the clutter (my sister is a terrible housekeeper in real life). At that point I picked up a phone and dialed a cell phone number I seemed to have written on a scrap of paper. The phone was answered by Robyn, much to my surprise. I was hesitant at first because I really didn't know what to say or ask and I felt kinda stupid for calling him without knowing him. A sycophant invading his privacy, so to speak. But he was pleasant and we just started to chat about completely banal things, the weather, what he was doing right then (waiting for Michelle to show up with the rollerblades as they were going rollerblading), how he was sitting in a park in London, little things like that. I wondred why he would be rollerblading in London when I knew I was meeting fegs to see him that night at the Great American but I didn't ask. Finally we said good bye and hung up. I left my sisters house and walked down the street to wait for the show. There were 4 other people in line and I remember thinking how happy all the fegs coming would be that I snagged the 5th place in line. Then I woke. Oh, and Mark, I am getting answeres to posts before the posts as well. Seems to happen most with posts from Joel but it is happening with others as well. Be Seeing You, - - Carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:29:55 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "Rock over London! Rock on Seattle, Washington!" here's the setlist for the wesley willis show at the croc the other night: Mr. Blotto Lincoln Town Car Limousine Send Me To Prison Suck A Lion's Dick Get The Fuck Away From Me Taste A Bull Terrier's Ass KMFDM Play The Rock Guitar I Love Rich Rock 'n' Roll McDonald's Suck A Pit Bull's Dick Butt My Head And Say "Rock" Rock 'n' Roll Will Never Die (It's Here To Stay) The Chicken Cow Outburst Columbine High The Chicken Cow i swear to god, i have *never* had as much fun at a show as i did at this one. i would never have believed what a following wesley has, either! people were calling out for songs that i've never heard of, and i've got, like, ten of his cd's. the place was fairly packed, and exceedingly enthusiastic. there was one kind of scary moment, when somebody requested Shoot My Jam Session Down. wesely screamed, "that's a DEMON SONG! y'all wouldn't want your jam session shot down, right?" the pain in his voice was so palpable, that it was almost heartbreaking. but he immediately exhorted the crowd to, "say 'rock'", which command we of course were only too happy to oblige. many people butted heads with him, though i did not, as i was taping. although now that i think about it, maybe that would've made it even cooler. apparently he's had a pretty grisly falling out with the fiasco. i asked him if he was going to tour with them next time, and he replied, "fuck the fiasco!" and then went on to say that they were a bunch of assholes, and had ripped him off pretty badly. eb, you've got your ear to the ground. you know anything about this? before the encore, he notified us that they (being him, and cats and jammers) needed a place to stay for the night, "because we're on tour." somebody offered up their house, wesley said, "cool, buddy!" and the place erupted. it was great. you know, it was like a *community*. really. he was in portland last night. i think it's eugene tonight, then san francisco, tomorrow maybe. go and see 'im! i'm guessing this is his first-ever solo tour. and i suspect the fiasco never really toured either, although i think they did play in new york. i've said it before, i'll no doubt say it again: wesely willis IS rock and roll. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:32:08 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: grrrrrrr "We want to thank everyone who has pre-ordered the "Pac Man Fever" CD. We have worked really hard to make sure the album looks and sounds great, but it has taken us a little longer than we anticipated. We know many of you are looking forward to receiving it. Unfortunately we have had to move our release date back slightly to June 1st. We hope this is not an inconvenience to anyone. We also want to assure you that we will not process any credit card orders until our shipping date is secured. Both Gary and I appreciate your patience." Thanks, Jerry Buckner Gary Garcia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 13:45:15 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: recipient list suppressed go for it. i always say, the more fegmail, the better. that's swell of you. how about an end to imperialism? military keynesianism? structural adjustment programmes? dumping, trade wars, and the rest of the protectionist lot? subsidies, grants, tax breaks, giveaways? socialization of "externalities"? a legal system rigged in favor of property owners? etc., etc., etc. because this is just the point. it's not simply a bailout here or there. "free market" capitalism is a fantasy. it couldn't exist for ten seconds. in point of fact, the purpose of the state --the reason the state was ever created in the first place-- is to protect and serve property owners -- FROM THE FREE MARKET. i'm "fond" of it? you think i *like* having so much blood on my hands. you think i get a rise out of pointing out how fucking evil the united states is? you think i dig that the majority of my free time is occupied by this and related activities? well, i'm not, and i don't. but that's beside the point, isn't it? the question is, how much responsibility do privileged members of imperial societies have to expose lies, and to try to make the world a little bit less horrible? and i think that, if we're honest with ourselves, this is not a very difficult question to answer. never heard of it. you know what, though? it's about the fastest four hours in movie history. the second half feels like about ten minutes. hey, all the times i've seen this movie, i had never noticed until last week that nicolas roeg did camera work on the second unit! oh boy, it was just beautiful, seeing lines two city blocks long! and i mean, there was virtually *zero* publicity. the theater was even half-full for the midnight friday showing. i was thinking there'd be about ten people there. the movie didn't let out until 4:00 in the a.m., after all. coupla things made me think of the current situation in yoguslavia. one, the scene near the beginning where the bedouin's get bombed by the turkish bi-planes was a lot more visceral/horrifying than i remembered. really hammers home the point, about as well as i've seen it done in the cinema, that aerial bombardment is one of the more sickening "inventions" of the twentieth century. the other thing was the scene near the end, where the arab army massacres the turkish column. "no prisoners!" it's really part of the nature of warfare, i think, that once the fighting begins, even if there were easily definable "good guys" and "bad guys" beforehand (which is not usually the case anyway), that all goes out the window. even in wars of "national liberation". (and before you all ask me if i include the spanish anarchists in that: yes, i include the spanish anarchists in that.) again, Lawrence makes this point, gut-wrenchingly. terry, if you've been reluctant to see it because of its length, you're really doing yourself a disservice. of course, nothing compares to seeing it on the big screen... Bridge On The River Kwai was beyond amazing as well. actually, its print was in the best shape of the three movies (Dr. Strangelove being the third), although they were all looking splendid. oh, and i'll echoe jason's and eb's thoughts: the music tapes stank, and the olivia tremor control RULED. not only did i think they were better than neutral milk hotel last year, but that, quite possibly, it was the best show i'd ever seen. as with nmh, the band, at least in its live incarnation, begins and ends with the drummer. damn, those elephant 6 bands have some amazing drummers! (or is it the same guy? besides julian, i seemed to recognize a lot of other folks from the nmh show a year ago.) <> Eddie, you have a new car right? What's this? Eddie, weren't you already accused of being a "limousine liberal" by your radical ETS! cohorts because of your other car? Now even MORE luxury? Geez!> i cracked up my other car like a fucking dipshit, and had to buy a new one. you happy now, you steenking barbarians? the old one had 165,000 miles on it, and was still going strong. i'll always wonder just how long it might've lasted. um, sure. a year or so ago, .chris mentioned that he was showing the film Trobriand Cricket in one of his classes. i'd seen the movie twice in college, and had absolutely loved it, so i wrote him asking if he could get a copy to me. which recently arrived in my letterbox. although for me, the great part of the movie wasn't the fact that the natives were playing this rich man's sport, but the way that they had assimilated the game into their own culture/worldview, and turned it into something uniquely their own. a spork is actually quite effective as a serving spoon for those dishes which don't handle quite as smoothly as you'd like with a "normal" serving spoon. caesar salad, for example. oh, they had tons and tons of sporks at the country club. it was glorious! great line! but, and bayard ought to know this as well as anyone, the list absolutely should NOT be accepted as canon. we've done our best to be as accurate as possible, but it's just very difficult to get everything spot-on. i've verified a few of the hairier details at the microfiche reading room, but we need to do LOTS more work on this front. but i'll tell ya, it's exactly this sort of thing that is very helpful. for most every show --especially the more recent ones-- there should be someone on this list who was in attendance. and, while our memories may not be as sharp as we think, i still place a great deal of stock in listmembers' reminiscences. (especially when they take the form of a ticket stub or diary entry!) well, could it have been march of '94, then? i mean, wouldn't you expect it to have been colder in march than in august? also, was sean there? if he was then we can be pretty certain that it was '94. march of '94, with sean would really make a lot of sense. that would've been shortly after the soft boys tour, and shortly before they were to have gone into the studio to make SURFER GHOST. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:21:48 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: more Wire, including Robyn content did he happen to mention the date? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: news about Randi, new e-mail address too! Hello everyone; Ms. Randi Spiegel just called me to let me know she is alive, and recuperating, in Toronto. For once, it has nothing to do with Crohn's. Sigh. A few weeks ago, she was driving to her grandmother's house for Passover festivities. A 16 year-old girl, driving her dad's Mercedes, was playing "chicken" with some other idiotic friend and hit Randi's car. The 16 year old girl was fine, but Randi spent 2 weeks in the hospital. She wants everyone to know that she's ok, but recovering from a concussion, and a little "disjointed." No broken bones or serious injuries, but understandably, she's sore as hell (yes! she wore her seatbelt like a good girl). She's back at Tim's place, drinking tea. She has a new e-mail address: tw0fangs@sympatico.ca (the "0" in "tw0" is a zero, just so you know) This is sad when it happens to anyone, but I'm especially bummed when it happens to someone like Randi. I'm sure she'd appreciate any e-mail from anybody here..I just wanted to pass the news on. Carole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:56:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: Randi Arrrrrrrgh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: re: Randi > Arrrrrrrgh. Yes, likewise. That email address doesn't seem to work, by the way, Carole. Or is it just me? Danielle _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:46:45 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Celebrity deathwatch/Mondegreens may not mean much on the sinister side of the Atlantic (as seen from above), but RIP Sir Alf Ramsey. >I just remembered another of my Mondegreens. For the longest time, I >thought Ogre says "my obscene cyclops overlooks" near the beginning of >Skinny Puppy's song "Worlock." A fairly clear phallic image, right? But >no, the line is actually "biopsy cyclops overlooks." Ooops! But a lot of >you probably made the same mistake, right? I suppose it's a bit pointless to add my two, but: "Dr Gruppenheim" by Porno for Pyros (real title "Dogs that rule the night") and that Brian Eno lyric (from "Kurt's rejoinder") that actually says: "Do the dosie do, do the mirror man, do the Boston crab, do the Allemande", not : "You dosie do with the inner man, Buster Crabbe and the other man". James ( glad that 'Homicide' is back on NZ television at last! We're a coupla seasons behind, though, so no more spoilers please Eb!) James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: oops..Randi's e-mail not quite working.. Oh dear. I just tried to send e-mail to Randi's new e-mail address, but it bounced back to me. I'll try and get it right when I talk to her later tonight. Er, sorry! I'll try passing on the correct address later. - --C ps: Capuchin just came in the store and showed me his spiffy new shoes. I wish all the customers did that! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:54:33 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: this is the most horrible thing I've read in quite awhile >http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/archives/1998/111298/feature1-1.html > >Daaaaaaaamn. Um, I'm not trying to make light of this at all, but I had to ask- I'm not the only one thinking of Sid V. And Nancy Spungem (sp?) right about now, am I? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: recipient list suppressed All right. In the interests of harmony I've let a lot of arrant nonsense go by unchallenged; but I can remain silent no longer. On Sat, 1 May 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > > > great line! but, and bayard ought to know this as well as anyone, the list > absolutely should NOT be accepted as canon. This is *terrible* grammar! "Canon" is a noun; the adjectival form is "canonical." You should say either "the list should not be accepted as canonical," or "the list should be not be accepted as the (or a) canon." That is all. - --Chris ps: Why, what did you think I was going to say? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 12:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: recipient list suppressed > > great line! but, and bayard ought to know this as well as anyone, the list > > absolutely should NOT be accepted as canon. i simply meant it's the best resource we have for this. as to it being 100% right, of course it's not. but it's far more accurate/complete than anything else. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #164 *******************************