From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #161 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 08 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Law and Order [lj lindhurst ] Re: lease the tiger! ["JH3" ] Re: In the criminal justice systerm.... [Eleanore Adams ] Re: ' + ' [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Bull And Gate [Bayard ] Mondegreens [Vivien Lyon ] Re: ' + ' ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Random Notes [Eb ] Re: ' + ' [Capuchin ] Vule Mariations and other VMs [The Great Quail ] Re: John Elway is kinda overrated [0% marilyn manson content] [MARKEEFE@a] Beulah/Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor/Marc Growden Ensemble/Marilyn Manson review ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Virve [Eb ] Re: Random Notes [Joel Mullins ] Re: ' + ' [Joel Mullins ] Re: colorado/firearms/jeme/danielle/NZ/US ["Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Law and Order anecdote! One time I had an interview for a job at the Fox News Network. I went to their offices and had an interview, everything. Anyhow, the next week I got called back for a second interview. I arrived, same building, same floor, everything, but when I stepped off the elevator there was a big sign that said "Federal Bureau of Investigation". There were a whole bunch of armed guards and even a metal detector. I got all confused, got back on the elevator and went back downstairs. On the street, there were rugged-looking detective-types running around with walkie-talkies. I just couldn't understand...I was in the right building, I was on the right floor...hmm...so I went up again, and got off the elevator and realized that they were shooting an episode of "Law and Order" there, and I was standing on the set!!! Not a fan of the show, but I did recognize a few people. That one guy was there...you know, the one who looks like a jaded law enforcement official...he looked tired. oh, and I did not get the job. >I third this. Law and Order INHO is the best show ever made. it is a >formula that >works, with characters that are believable, but the scrip never >comcentrates on the >characters personal lives, just work. Love the show! > >eleanore > >Marcy Tanter wrote: > >> At 09:04 AM 4/29/99 -0600, you wrote: >> >> > But I have to say, I'm ADDICTED to "Law and Order". This is the >>only show I >> >> > watch with any regularity. >> > >> >> I agree. Law and Order is great. I don't think I'd ever seen an >> >> episode until this season, but now I'm ADDICTED, too. I've even found >> >> myself watching the reruns on A&E quite a bit. >> >> L&O and Homicide are the best shows on tv right now. Friday nite tv sucks >> when H. isn't on and if NBC cancels it, there will be nothing to watch on >> Fri nites. >> >> marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:20:35 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: lease the tiger! Me: >>Perhaps, but I'd rather defend myself against a guy with a pointed stick >>than a guy with a machine gun any day of the week. Eb: >Sure, but what about a guy with some raspberries? Whoa, Eb, is this a new wrinkle? I don't think you've ever shown a tendency toward being a Pythonizer in the past. Well, okay... I take back everything I ever said about you. And, of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that the advantage of the tiger is that he not only eats the raspberry-laden foe, but also the raspberries. Y'r ob'd'nt s'v'nt, <-- Hey, two in a row! John "brandish that thang" Hedges PS. The tiger, however, does not relish the peach. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:37:54 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: In the criminal justice systerm.... Oh I am one of those people who watch it at least once a day. And yesterday I watched the A&E 8:00 episode, then the 10:00 episode. If I didn't work, I would watch it even more. eleanore Dede Davis wrote: > > > >> I agree. Law and Order is great. I don't think I'd ever seen > > an > > > >> episode until this season, but now I'm ADDICTED, too. I've even > > found > > > >> myself watching the reruns on A&E quite a bit. > > AND, if like myself you don't have a life, you can watch Law & Order > *11* times a week: 7pm and 11pm on A&E, and the regular Wed. night > network broadcast. YUM! > > === > > Dede > > "Takin' a ride! > Takin' a ride in my pickup; > Rollin' around downtown..."--G. Huntley > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:35:44 PDT From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: Bull And Gate >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:34:11 +0930 >From: dlang >Subject: biffo, quail's feet and the unknown Robyn gig > >Thirdly,I am listening to the hithero unknown Robyn Hitchcock >8-3-93 Bull and >Gate show and enjoying it very much, especially " A day in the life " >even >though some git in the tiny audience of 15 or so people sings along >with it on >occasions.Bayard and eddie,I'm ready to trade now. That would be the LAST official Egyptians gig. The story behind it is that the venue had a new PA system intalled and RH&TE's were due to open the revamped venue. It was a last minute booking and so not many people knew about it. On the night the PA blew up and so the boys did the show in the bar area using just their amps and a reduced drum kit. RH did a lengthy intro to Beautiful Queen abour looking down on a train that's going under the sea and exploding as it goes. The song itself was wonderful as RH's voice was drowned in the guitars and slowly came through the "mix" as the chorus kicked in. It should have been recorded that way. As far as i know, the decision to play in the bar was suggested by a couple of fans who are friends of the band as there was much chattering after the idea was raised. Most of the others of us present watched the boys toing and froing as bits of PA were swapped and tampered with. It was only months afterwards that we found out that it was the LAST gig for the Egyptians, it was a great way to end as it was a fantastic gig and seemed to convey the fun and greatness of the band. what a way to go. - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:53:22 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: ' + ' In a message dated 99-04-29 00:11:06 EDT, you write: << I'd like to start using an apostrophe in the word "apostrophe." Maybe something like this: 'strophe. >> Or what about: 'postr'phe? - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Bull And Gate On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Ghost Surfer wrote: > >Thirdly,I am listening to the hithero unknown Robyn Hitchcock >8-3-93 > Bull and Gate show > > That would be the LAST official Egyptians gig. the Tewslist, which is accepted as canon, (or the closest thing to it) has these additional egyptians gigs: 08/03/93 RHE The Junction, Cambridge 09/25/93 RHE Brockenhurst Railway Station, London 11/01/93 RH Big Star Records, Adelaide 11/10/93 RH Club Quattro,Tokyo 11/16/93 RHE Manchester University 11/17/93 RHE Princess Charlotte, Leicester 11/18/93 RHE Jericho Tavern, Oxford 11/19/93 RHE Forum, Turnbridge Wells 11/21/93 RHE Wedgewood Rooms, Portsmouth 11/22/93 RHE Cooperidge, Plymouth 11/23/93 RHE Wherehouse, Derby 11/24/93 RHE Wheatsheaf, Stoke 11/25/93 RHE Loughborough University 11/26/93 RHE The Garage, London 11/27/93 RHE Sheffield University 11/28/93 RHE Riverside, Newcastle 11/29/93 RHE The Venue, Edinburgh 12/01/93 RHE Fleece and Firkin, Bristol note that the tewslist has them at the juntion on aug 3, not the bull and gate. what's the deal? http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Balcony/3252/robyn/frame.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivien Lyon Subject: Mondegreens Fegland- You all, without exception (even Eb), will enjoy this site: http://www.enteract.com/~jessicar/lyrics/ She has compiled a nigh-unto-comprehensive list of song lyric mis-hearings and alphabetized them according to group/artist. Alas, no Robyn, but some of the mis-hearings (or mondegreens, as they are called) are positively Hitchcockian. Vivien wake up, I might sit on you. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:16:08 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: ' + ' At 01:53 PM 4/29/99 EDT, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 99-04-29 00:11:06 EDT, you write: > ><< I'd like to start using an apostrophe in the word "apostrophe." Maybe > something like this: 'strophe. >> > > Or what about: 'postr'phe? I'm jumping to the end of this thread and going with ''''''''''. ;) - --JT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:24:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Random Notes 1. Beulah/Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor tonight. Finally! Who wants to go? I can't find a use for my +1. ;) 2. Too many posts about guns and Marilyn Manson, not enough gushing about Mule Variations. 3. Do check these links, for comprehensive information: http://www.wesjen.simplenet.com/sayer/leomenu.htm http://community.icollector.com:8080/eshare/files/sayer.html http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb68288 4. Boy, do I feel humbled. I just discovered that a publicist with whom I recently set up an Olivia Tremor Control interview is the same guy who got the highest Internet score on the Rhino/RMAT quiz last year. Wow. He scored like 45 points higher than me! 5. I've tried and tried to warm up to Law & Order. I can appreciate that it's a well-written, well-acted quality show, but it always leaves me cold. Just lulls me into inertia. It may be my prejudice against all those drab, "color-coded" 10 pm dramas, where EVERYTHING onscreen has to be gray, steel blue or black (see The Practice, Law & Order, NYPD Blue, Nash Bridges, etc. etc. etc.). Ugh. I really hate that stylized crap. I mean, of COURSE, when folks are in a court room or office, the space is only illuminated by light artfully streaming through the venetian blinds of a large side window. Of COURSE. Indoor lighting? Dream on. That only exists in rich countries like Japan, Monaco and Bangladesh. Grrrr. If you're going to launch a show intended to reflect reality, then SHOOT the damn thing that way! Thanks for your patronage, Eb PS Besides, that blank, skull-faced chick on Law & Order really gives me the creeps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: ' + ' On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > At 01:53 PM 4/29/99 EDT, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 99-04-29 00:11:06 EDT, you write: > ><< I'd like to start using an apostrophe in the word "apostrophe." Maybe > > something like this: 'strophe. >> > > Or what about: 'postr'phe? > I'm jumping to the end of this thread and going with ''''''''''. Actually, since an apostrophe can represent ANY NUMBER of consecutive omitted letters, you could represent "apostrophe" as "'", which we often do and it is, in fact, read correctly. While any word can be represented by ' alone (having all the letters replaced with a single apostrophe), the word "apostrophe" is the only one that makes sense when represented this way. I find this kind of recursion a beautiful thing. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 15:04:06 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Vule Mariations and other VMs Eb flows, >2. Too many posts about guns and Marilyn Manson, not enough gushing about >Mule Variations. Aw, he just likes it cuz Tom mentions him by name! Well, seriously, I love it. I mean, that's not saying much, seeing as I really love Tom Waits. But, yes, "Mule Variations" is great -- I have only listened to it once, but there seems to be more heart, more blood and whisky in it than in Bone Machine or Black Rider. I would be listening to it RIGHT NOW, but someone ELSE I know has it, preventing me from enjoying it again. Indeed, I THOUGHT I had it, but when I got to work this morning I strangely found a copy of "What's the Story Morning Glory" in my CD case instead of said Tom Waits disc. . . . Oh, yeah! And PRIMUS, one of my beloved-if-not-quite-favorite bands, plays on Track 1, "Big in Japan." I suppose they are paying him back for "Tommy the Cat." Yaaaay PRIMUS! In related CD news, I also picked up the new Tom Petty and Van Morrison CDs. The Tom Petty CD sounds, well, exactly like a new Tom Petty CD. That's not a bad thing, mind you. In this crazy world, it's nice to know that Tom Petty remains, steadfastly, Tom Petty. But "Back on Top," the Van disc -- wow!!!! Van has always been one of my favorites; but I must confess his last few works didn't make a big impression on me -- too much slow jazzy blusey kind of stuff. I loved "Enlightenment," I liked "Hymns to the Silence," but after that . . . well. . . . Anyway, the new one -- great! It sounds more like the Van Morrison I know and love -- if not exactly "Astral Weeks," at least "The Common One." Sure, it has some blues and saxophone stuff, but overall, it is an impressively strong album. I would have bought it just for the song "When the Leaves Come Falling Down," which is so beautiful, so magical, well for a while I thought I was listening to something from "Veedon Fleece." It will take me more listenings until my Ranking Gene kicks in, but so far my favorite three CDs of 1999 are, in order of release, XTC, Van Morrison, and Tom Waits. . . . This has been a non-Marilyn, non-violent PSA. Thank you for your attention. - --Quail, waiting for the 10-CD Philip Glass Box Set . . . just a quarter-year away. . . . PS: Natalie: Dew claw, whatever. Those in the know still call it "the wisdom toe." +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:00:10 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: John Elway is kinda overrated [0% marilyn manson content] In a message dated 99-04-29 02:36:37 EDT, you write: << 9. The airbag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off. >> Thom Yorke must be so jealous that this isn't on the cover of the "Airbag/How Am I Driving?" EP. - ------Michael K., happy to share with y'all any little thought that passes through the transom of my mind :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:18:38 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Beulah/Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor/Marc Growden Ensemble/Marilyn Manson review So, I saw the mighty Beulah last night at the Casbah - a four band extravaganza, with a huge crowd of me. OK, there were a few more people at the show than just yours truly, but I honestly doubt they sold more than 11 or 12 tickets. Maybe 15? A couple of people came and left. The majority of people in the audience at any given point were members of the other bands. One older couple (old even by my recent standards) ended up being cousins, I think, of someone in Ladybug Transistor. This being the first time some of the bands had played together, they at least probably weren't bored with each other's setlists yet. First up was the Marc Growden Ensemble, which basically consisted of: Marc Growden on banjo [ he can strum, I like it, OK ;) ], electric guitar, accordion, lap guitar, vocals, whistling, and various found objects, including a long piece of steel pipe and a beer bottle; and a girl he had met two days before on drums. Supposedly, the "two guys" he normally plays with were both struck seriously ill in the past few days. His lyrics were pretty sophomoric and silly, things like "there's a dude with a rooster, with a rooster on his head," and musically, the most interesting things he did were two songs on accordion. Besides that, I was pretty indifferent to most of his set, beyond a couple of nice jazzy electric guitar bits and some of the noise-music sound effects. One of the songs I did like was mainly instrumental, with Growden whistling like a theramin and "la la"-ing over the accordion bits. The other was an ode to his mother, "who voted for Pat Robertson," and to the act of his conception. The lyrics, while attempting to be shocking, were only so-so at best, but the tune really caught my ears. I'm pretty sure I was the only paying customer through most of his set. He ended with a fairly amusing comment: "I'd say, 'stick around and catch the other bands, but since you all are the other bands...'" Right after that, I heard one of the members of Beulah say that the club had turned away five underage potential attendees. Up next was Ladybug Transistor, which surprisingly, or not so surprisingly if you're any bit aware of my lead vocalist leanings, was my favorite act of the evening. Their tunes were kind of like the Doors' Crystal Ship sailing around on seas of glittery pop arrangements. The female, mainly backing, vocals really complimented the lead singer's deeper, easy-going singing. The songs were laced with lots of trumpet - played by the lead singer, and a member of Beulah at times - some flute, and a great deal of tasteful keyboards. I was very taken by their whole mellow pop vibe. They even did a cover of Glen Campbell's "Galveston." Of Montreal hit the stage next. I wasn't overly impressed, but I was never disinterested. I'm still trying to figure out if I actually liked them or not. I was never bored, and they never bugged me. I just never felt like I ever *really* got into it all. But, they kept me engaged the whole time. It was definitely not the shoegazing twee pop I expected, which just means I had the wrong impression based on the word "twee." I hear or read "twee," I immediately think ethereal feedback-based ambience with floating, airy vocals, a la Slowdive or the Cocteau Twins. They were more of the pseudo-60's psychedelic revival band that I *DID* expect. OK, I had conflicting expectations based on various sources. The songs were a tad bit overwritten, but not to the point of distraction (did Eb already say that?). The lead singer's goofy opening "Gay Parade" speech and penned-on silly moustache almost sent me running, but his colorfully cool coat/shirt kept me on my stool. Luckily, there was only one more inane spoken word bit after the initial embarrassing little intro, some storytelling from a children's book near the end of their set. That aside, the complexity and pop intricacies of their music grabbed my attention. But, like I said, I didn't dislike 'em, but they never fully hooked me in. A couple of songs came close to doing so, though. I think I experienced more intellectual satisfaction than heartfelt joy. Beulah was the final act. They were a bit more straightforward and rock'n'roll than I assumed they would be, not that this bothered me at all. I've already revealed my deep dark secret crush on the Smashing Pumpkins, even though Billy Corgan laces his guitar strings into a crisscrossed checkerboard pattern - I assume this is done with bitmaps and other magic computer shit. Who knows? Anyhoooo, there were a lot of people on stage, seven, and their sound was heavy and dense, but their songs were still quite catchy, even if a bit sonically overloaded. They had some nice vocal harmonies, but nothing even approaching The Oliva Tremor Control's last week. Their trumpet player/guitarist (there were as many as four guitarists playing at some points) broke a string, not really that big of deal, but he had to run outside to the van to get another instrument. Heh heh. They began the set with a Troglodytes song, and threatened to only do "garage covers" because of the lack of a substantial audience. Despite the pathetic showing - Charlie Hunter had packed this very same club earlier this month - everybody played their hearts out. Beulah sort of reminded me of a grungey Apples In Stereo. But not a WHOLE lot. Just a wee bit. I mean that comparison as a compliment. Can I still reference "grunge" and be cool? Overall, I'd say I really liked 'em. I didn't speak to any of the bandmembers, beyond a couple of "hey, how's it going?" exchanges. But, if anyone else does talk to them at future gigs, tell 'em that the bulk of their San Diego audience says "hi." ;) Personally, I'd recommend the lineup. Anyone in the LA area should really take Eb up on the free ticket. (I just read that.) - --Jason (currently shacking up with Woodstock and digging the song "Army") PS: ''''''''''''' (This post was not about how I think the families of various victims suing everybody in sight is akin to the sort of haphazard lashing-out we see in acts of random violence. I promise.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 15:39:28 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Beulah/Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor/Marc Growden Ensemble/Marilyn Manson review Jason writes, >It was definitely not the shoegazing twee pop I expected, which just means >I had the wrong impression based on the word "twee." OK, I have to ask . . . . can someone, preferably English, please clear up some things? What do the following words, often bandied about this List, exactly mean? TWEE SNARKY MARK GLOSTER NAFF Thanks! I assure you, I am (mostly) serious about this. - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Storyteller of New York by Night http://www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN "But we are pledged to set this world free -- our toil must be in silence and our efforts in secret for in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of these men would be his greatest strength." --Abraham Van Helsing, "Dracula" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:47:51 -0800 From: Eb Subject: A day of celebration! Let the pigeons LOOSE! ;P From AllStar: The Verve Throws In The Towel England, as well much of the rest of the world, is no doubt mourning of the loss of one of the country's most promising bands, as the Verve, confirming months of rumors and speculation, have announced they are throwing in the towel. "The decision to split the band did not come without a great deal of stress to me personally," said singer Richard Ashcroft in a statement to the press released Tuesday (April 27). "I have always given everything to the band and would have continued to do so if circumstances had not made it impossible." While those circumstances are still unknown, speculation has always been that Ashcroft and guitarist Nick McCabe have trouble getting along -- a feud which split the band up once before in 1995. Rumors of a second and more permanent breakup began surfacing almost a year ago, when McCabe announced that he would not be touring with the band on the American leg in support of Urban Hymns, their third and most successful album to date (allstar, July 6, 1998). A few weeks later, the band's manager, Jaz Summers, all but announced the band would likely never record together again (allstar, July 21, 1998). Critics lauded the Verve's music from the get-go (1993's A Storm in Heaven) for the band's swirly, shoegazing guitar rock and the charismatic vocals of Ashcroft, but substantial commercial success eluded the band in England until 1995's A Northern Soul, and the rest of the world until 1997's Urban Hymns - -- the album which spawned the worldwide smash "Bitter Sweet Symphony." The band formed in 1990 in Wigan, England. As for what's next, Ashcroft, along with drummer Peter Salisbury, is working on a solo album, while the remainder of the band -- McCabe, bassist Simon Jones, and keyboardist Simon Tong -- will continue to work on their own projects. Jones added: "The rest of the band might even work together in the future. If this happens, it won't be as the Verve." - Kevin Raub ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Beulah/Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor/Marc Growden Ensemble/Marilyn Manson review On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, The Great Quail wrote: > TWEE cute, even cutesy, often in an affected manner. when used to refer to a genre of indiepop music, it has less of a derogatory meaning; see www.twee.net for a pretty canonical list of twee-pop bands. > SNARKY sarcastic, snide, snippy. > MARK GLOSTER primitive oracular implement whose cloth-lined mouth is stuffed with beads while the querent concentrates on his or her own shortcomings. at the conclusion of the ritual, the "Gloster" emits a cheery melody, which tells the querent that a flash of insight into his/her problem has struck someone across the globe who is unlikely to understand its significance. the religious practices of glosterians are mostly focused on praying for more crackpots to be given broadcasting jobs. > NAFF bad, of inferior quality, 'off', shoddy, ill-conceived. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: colorado/firearms/jeme/danielle/NZ/US Vivien, do you misinterpret everyone this wilfully, or only those you have the audacity to call 'sister'? > Similarly, I don't believe Jeme was advocating giving > free guns to everyone. I don't believe he was advocating that either. I do, however, believe that he was advocating that it is 'vital' that citizens 'protect themselves from what is to come' - that's a direct quote, give or take a pronoun or two. That quote implies that he thinks *more* people in the United States should have guns than currently do, in order to protect themselves from the government. I take issue with that. > If you had read his post, I read it very carefully. I also noted where he contradicted himself. Did you happen to see that part? > Furthermore, I don't think he's in > favor of repealing the gun control legislation we > already have. However, he seems to be against tightening it up. Which is a patently ridiculous argument. > You took issue with some issues that weren't really > there, I think. Oh really? I replied to Jeme's post virtually line by line, addressing each assertion he made. In which cases were the issues I addressed nonexistent? This is getting awfully metaphysical, dearie... > You seem to think that it is > possible to responsibly own a gun (apparently, all of > New Zealand is totally responsible in every way with > their weapons). Now it's time to say, in similarly patronising fashion, 'if you had actually read *my* post...' I believe I said that the more stringent gun control legislation in New Zealand meant that *fewer* people were able to 'go postal' with semi-automatic weapons. At no time did I say or imply that 'all of New Zealand is totally responsible in every way with their weapons'. > He was arguing against a perceived sentiment that > holds that guns are inherently evil, can never be used > for anything but mayhem, and therefore should be > virtually inaccessible to anyone not in the police or > armed forces. Listen. Why don't you let *Jeme* argue this one? If he's capable of making his argument more clear, fine with me. Your putting words in his mouth (and mine, it seems) isn't going to solve anything. Danielle _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:13:54 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Virve Actually, I shouldn't be happy. Now the Verve will have that "only three albums before they split up" mystique going for them...instead of continuing on with a bunch of crummy releases which will make folks realize how empty their music was in the first place. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:39:33 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Random Notes Eb wrote: > PS Besides, that blank, skull-faced chick on Law & Order really gives me > the creeps. Hey! She's from Texas man! I'll admit that she's pretty cold, but dammit, she's from Texas! Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:40:47 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: ' + ' Capuchin wrote: > Actually, since an apostrophe can represent ANY NUMBER of consecutive > omitted letters, you could represent "apostrophe" as "'", which we often > do and it is, in fact, read correctly. Now that's a neat observation. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:58:41 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Re: colorado/firearms/jeme/danielle/NZ/US >However, he seems to be against tightening it up. Which is >a patently ridiculous argument. Just to interject - it's not exactly "patently" ridiculous, now, is it? If it were, nobody would be arguing about it. Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, is http://x-real.firinn.org | usually odd." - C.S. Lewis Now Reading: "The Fellowship of the Ring" by J.R.R. 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