From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #157 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 28 1999 Volume 08 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: serial killer [MARKEEFE@aol.com] RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms [GSS ] Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of [Marcy Tanter ] Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of [Ben ] Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of [Eb ] postscript [Eb ] I *am* the Eb!!!!! [The Great Quail ] Re: I *am* the Eb!!!!! [Eb ] Re: Billy Corgan, looking very goth I must say... [The Great Quail ] backatcha [dmw ] I don't want to step on Cap Blows' territory but... ["jbranscombe@compuse] RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms [Ross Overbury ] RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms [Eb ] Whoa! Interesting [Eb ] Re: infernal gadget ahoy! ["Capitalism Blows" ] RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms [amadain ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:49:53 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: serial killer In a message dated 99-04-27 13:22:21 EDT, you write: << The -term- is a 20th century invention. Before that they were just called "monster" or something similar. The particular pathology has only recently been given a name and characteristics. I -think-, but I'm not completely sure, that basically it was the invention of psychology and psychiatry that gave this a name. >> Yeah, one would guess that's the case! Probably some criminal psychologist out there coined the term . . . then came psychopath, then sociopath, then Antisocial Personality Disorder. I would guess that these people have been around forever, as it's generally assumed that there's a genetic predisposition behind it . . . the same "stress-diathesis" model that accounts for nearly every psychologial affliction these days. So, if we can asume that the diathesis has been around in people since they opened up the first brewpub in ancient Mesopatamia (and I think we can probably also assume that there were plenty of stressors back then, too), then it's likely that serial killers have always existed. Some of them, like Attilah the Hun, just knew how to channel their mass-murderin' tendencies along a more socially acceptable path ;-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:11:00 -0500 From: GSS Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms Greetings Fellow Biodegradables, I don't what the hell to say about the Colorado incident, except the press coverage makes me sick to my stomach. What the hell caused it? What or who should we blame? What should we do? I don't we should blame it the mainstream music. Ozzy and Cooper had the same type of impact when they hit the scene. Parents were sickened, the kids had a new leader and a new cause. 'The more that things change, the more they stay the same.' Should we ban all guns? The guns those kids used weren't even the 'best' ones for the job. The could have gotten 'better' weapons that would have done much more damage. I'm just glad the majority of the bombs didn't work and that somehow the battle-plan was not fulfilled. You can't give a hand to any of the cops or swat teams, as they pussy footed around for hours to protect themselves before they went in. I wonder how many kids bled to death while the cops were protecting themselves. I don't directly own a gun anymore, as I have turned all firearms over to my father for the time being. But, I will never support anything along the lines of disarming the American people. We have laws to protect us against the 'improper sort' getting guns, they just need to be more thoroughly enforced. Some mentioned hearing that there is no age limit for a person to by a handgun, that is wrong. In Texas, the age for puchasing a rifle is 18 and a handgun is 21. Most kids growing up in the area were I grew up, had full access to all kinds of firearms. When we first moved here in 1972, I was 5 and every damn pickup truck had a gun rack and the majority had one or two guns hanging in the rack. I always knew were my dad's .357 was and I knew how to shoot it, but I never touched it without his permission. Nobody had a gun safe to protect the firearms from thieves or from crazy misguided kids and I never heard anyone cuss out a teacher, and when I or any other friend cut up or stepped out of line, we were disciplined. Maybe that's the problem!!! When the pigs and national guard etc.. give up their guns, then and only then should the rest of America give up theirs. I don't guess any of this helped, but what the hell. > first of all, the word "genocide" gets tossed around too casually. Ok response, but you forgot to mention Stalin and Japan. old: >sure you were on your feet cheering Elia Kazan on Oscar night. I did not understand giving the man an award for his life time achievements as I believe there to be at least three or four others more deserving. So what did he do that deserved an applause? He told the truth. He named some who served stalin and berie(sp?). Two evil men whose actions lead directly to the deaths of millions and millions of innocent people. He did this in Congressional hearings that were started to gain a better understanding of just how far the communists had wedged themselves into workings of the United States. If today he named Neo-Nazis and White Brotherhood members or if after WWII he had given to the government the names of people who supported Hitler and Himler, would this cause such a great commotion? Of course not. But if you count the bodies, Stalin and his fellow comrades were in fact more wicked than either Himler or Hitler, and lets not forget what Japan did to China. But for those that were not cheering, it was a "look at me, I'm a famous actor that can't make any money, and even though the truth regarding traitors like Hiss and Oppenheimer has been acknowleded and even though the American liberals who once supported the likes with all their hearts have come to understand these truths, this is my own personal final knee jerk anti anti-sociafascist reaction. Please everyone, Look At Me". Those kinda people make me wanna puke. gss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:12:59 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of From now on, she's Mother Bernadette Mary. Recently ordained as a priest by a splinter group of Catholics, Sinead O'Connor is no more and The Woman Formerly Known As Sinead (TWFAS) has apologized for her previous behavior towards the Pope and thing Pop-ish. Marcy Dr. Marcy Tanter Assistant Professor of English Tarleton State University Stephenville, TX 76401 254-968-9039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Marcy Tanter wrote: > >From now on, she's Mother Bernadette Mary. Recently ordained as a priest by > a splinter group of Catholics, Sinead O'Connor is no more and The Woman > Formerly Known As Sinead (TWFAS) has apologized for her previous behavior > towards the Pope and thing Pop-ish. Are you serious? That's just... Well, I don't know, but it's just something. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:41:16 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of Didn't she also attempt suicide recently? Terrence M Marks wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Marcy Tanter wrote: > > > >From now on, she's Mother Bernadette Mary. Recently ordained as a priest by > > a splinter group of Catholics, Sinead O'Connor is no more and The Woman > > Formerly Known As Sinead (TWFAS) has apologized for her previous behavior > > towards the Pope and thing Pop-ish. > > Are you serious? That's just... > Well, I don't know, but it's just something. > > Terrence Marks > Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal > normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:00:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP, sort of >Didn't she also attempt suicide recently? Well, doesn't such desperation always precede radical religious awakenings? I've always found that very telling. Speaking of God, I just heard the new album by a group called Swimmer. I have never heard so many superfluous mentions of God, in my life. I don't think the band is even religious. They just like to namedrop God to make their lyrics seem "cosmic" and larger-than-life. Laaaame. Eb, still grumpy http://moose.erie.net/~bbelovar/wildman/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:08:09 -0800 From: Eb Subject: postscript OK...*today*, I hope all of you are rushing out to buy the new Tom Waits disc. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 17:20:33 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: I *am* the Eb!!!!! A favorable review of the new Tom Waits disc, which will be in my hands within two short hours, bliss, oh bliss . . . (Well, bliss and gravel.) - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:57:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: I *am* the Eb!!!!! Speaking of which, I heard some unsettling news from a publicist yesterday: there's a music critic named Edward Batt who signs his email...Eb. Oooof. He writes for Entertainment Today, I gather. http://ent-today.com. And judging from a couple of weblinks I found, he must be a big King Crimson fan. Heh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 18:20:59 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Billy Corgan, looking very goth I must say... Jason "Stickboy" Thornton writes, >As lukewarm as your reactions might be to their records, do NOT miss the >opportunity to see this band live. They're a godzillion times more >impressive on stage. YES! Well said. I am actually a big Smashing Pumpkins fan, beacuse I used to be a so-so fan until I saw them live -- the concert right after they one the MTV award, the first concert I think after Jimmy was fired. Jesus! They played for three hours, they had incredible presence, they were *funny,* and they moved effortlessly from aggressive tear-the-wallpaper-off-the-wall rocking to the most distorted eerie sublimity. One of the top ten rock concert's I have ever seen; it immediately turned me into a big SP fan. Ah, make fun of me, go right ahead . . . but you didn't *hear* them play "Zero" or "Silverfuck." I am converted. - --Billy Quailgan +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The people asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven." --Psalms 105:40 (Also see Exodus 16:13 and Numbers 11:31-34 for more starry wisdom) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: catching up (not with Depeche Mode) I think Glen wrote: >Every now and then there's one that comes along that >makes me rethink my position about artists selling >themselves out. There was one that aired during the >Super Bowl that used "Come Together" that I thought >was brilliant (I think it was IBM). That would be Nortel. I have yet to see it, but a friend of mine who works there said that they spent something like $1 Million for the right to use the song. >My current favourite, of course, is the new >Volkswagen commercial that uses "Mr. Roboto". That is my new favourite, too. I'm waithing for Burger King to use "Any Way You Want It" by Journey. Hell, Burger King will use _anything_. griffith ps - watch for my head/face on Party of Five Wednesday night. I'm the tall (6' 2") geek at the R.E.M. show with the goofy hair wearing a denim shirt and black-framed glasses standing in front of the left side of the stage (near the piano). pps - Now playing disc 2 of "The Beatles" # 221182. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: backatcha http://www.theonion.com/onion3515/i_used_to_be_cool.html - -- d. - -- oh no! my little tag-line vanished! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:47:37 -0400 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: I don't want to step on Cap Blows' territory but... Gregory, Beria, you McCarthyite thicky, Beria. Know thine enemy. The whiff of hypocrisy that your posts give off has me gagging 3000 miles away. Mealy-mouthed you mumble - 'We have laws to protect us against the 'improper sort' getting guns', but in practically every other comment I've heard you make you bleat about the oppressive, interfering state. You seem completely unable to assemble a coherent philosophical position. As for the We Never Stepped Out Of Line When I Was A Kid shtick, you come over like some particularly bad Monty Python sketch. Why are you a Robyn Hitchcock fan? I ask that in all seriousness. Black-list Elvis. jmbc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Overbury Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, GSS wrote: > Greetings Fellow Biodegradables, > > Some mentioned hearing that there is no > age limit for a person to by a handgun, that is wrong. In Texas, the age > for puchasing a rifle is 18 and a handgun is 21. Harris was 18. What now? > Most kids growing up in > the area were I grew up, had full access to all kinds of firearms. I honestly don't know the answer to this, but we ought to wonder if there's a correlation between gun culture and the misuse of firearms. Most of the kids growing up in my area had no access to firearms. For years I've foraged for wild edibles in the woods. More than once I've heard the crack of a rifle and wondered if I wasn't going to be mistaken for a deer. You can't legislate responsibility, can you? You can limit the availability of appliances whose principal purpose is to kill. Please explain the necessity of semi automatic weapons to the average citizen. How about those ones that convert easily to automatic? The Redcoats aren't at the door anymore, and the average person gets meat from the grocery store. > When the pigs and national guard etc.. give up their guns, then and > only then should the rest of America give up theirs. You use firearms to address a problem with the national guard or the pigs (by whom I assume you mean law-enforcement types), and you think you'll solve that problem? If you didn't mean that, just exactly what did you mean? > old: > >sure you were on your feet cheering Elia Kazan on Oscar night. > > I did not understand giving the man an award for his life time > achievements as I believe there to be at least three or four others more > deserving. So what did he do that deserved an applause? He told the > truth. I'm a bit ignorant here too, but weren't innocent people brought before the commission, and wasn't an appearance before this commission instant death for many a person's career -- regardless of the outcome? Hmmm... maybe if the accused had some good armor-piercing ammo and rocket launchers.... > He named some who served stalin and berie(sp?). Two evil men > whose actions lead directly to the deaths of millions and millions of > innocent people. He did this in Congressional hearings that were started > to gain a better understanding of just how far the communists had wedged > themselves into workings of the United States. I'd heard that McCarthy trumped up this whole thing to raise his own profile. Maybe I heard wrong. > If today he named > Neo-Nazis and White Brotherhood members or if after WWII he had given to > the government the names of people who supported Hitler and Himler, > would this cause such a great commotion? Of course not. But if you > count the bodies, Stalin and his fellow comrades were in fact more > wicked than either Himler or Hitler, and lets not forget what Japan did > to China. Suppose all it took to put you on trial for being a racist was an anonymous tip. Wasn't that how that McCarthy thing worked? > > But for those that were not cheering, it was a "look at me, I'm a famous > actor that can't make any money, and even though the truth regarding > traitors like Hiss and Oppenheimer has been acknowleded and even though > the American liberals who once supported the likes with all their hearts > have come to understand these truths, this is my own personal final knee > jerk anti anti-sociafascist reaction. Please everyone, Look At Me". Yes, unless it is correct that McCarthyism was really a dark blot on American history, in which case it might be said that they were the only ones not displaying either ignorance or lack of conscience. Please accept my apologies if my response is based on misinformation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms jmbc wrote: >Why are you a Robyn Hitchcock fan? I ask that in all seriousness. Whoah! This is not a healthy trend. Here on the Feg List we have godless commies, heartless right-wingers and even a few feckless liberals. We don't always see eye to eye on political issues. However, until now no one has questioned whether someone with opposing political views is really the type of person who should like Robyn. That is just going too far! Robyn brought us all together, and doubting a list member's Fegness because of their non-musical beliefs just isn't cricket. I suggest we all move on and forget that it was ever said. Of course no one has to follow my suggestions; but if you think about it calmly, I'm sure you'll agree that I'm right on this one. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:30:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Genocides >> first of all, the word "genocide" gets tossed around too casually. >Ok response, but you forgot to mention Stalin and Japan. And the Congo. Whenever people talk about genocide, it's always Hitler this and Hitler that and nary a word about King Leopold II. It bugs me how some genocides get all the attention. Terrence Marks Unlike Minerva (a comic strip) http://grove.ufl.edu/~normal normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:39:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms Ross: >For years I've foraged for wild edibles in the woods. Somehow, this sentence stands out for me. I'd like to hear more. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:46:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Whoa! Interesting AllStar news: >Beck Gets Sued By Geffen And Bong Load > >"I'm a loser baby, so why don't you sue me," might be >the tune Beck's soon humming as both Geffen Records >and Bong Load Records filed separate lawsuits aginst >the artist on Monday (April 26) in Los Angeles >Superior Court. > >Geffen is suing for breach of written contract, >damages under California Labor Code 2855, and >declaratory relief, while Bong Load is going after >Beck for breach of production agreement; in the >alternative, for damanges for non-delivery of record >albums; and declaratory relief. > >Beck approached Geffen to renegotiate his contract in >May 1998, according to the suit filed by Geffen, >even though his contract was not yet up, and is now >apparently claiming that he is "excused from any >further performance under [his contract] from and >after April 23, 1999." Beck has four albums left in >his contract with the label. > >As for Bong Load, the label had signed Beck to a >production deal in January 1993 and then entered >into a third party deal with Geffen in November >1993. As with Geffen, Beck has turned to Bong Load >claiming "he would no longer perform his obligations >under the Production Agreement or Third Party >Agreement from and after April 23, 1999 pursuant to >California Labor Code 2855." > >Beck, Geffen, and Bong Load could not be reached for >comment at press time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:46:24 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: infernal gadget ahoy! who voted for NEW TIMES, just out of curiosity? apart from the title track, which is a song i'm about as likely to be singing at any given moment as any other, i can't really get into the a side. but the b side! yow! it's fuckin' loaded. and Jesus Of Rio is, i think, still the only song i've heard by a mainstream group that discusses the third world debt. see, i think if they'd made an album consisting of the a side of WHY DO BIRDS SING? and the b side of NEW TIMES, well, then you'd have not only a top twenty album, but maybe even a top ten. but as it stands, when i do get around to voting, i'll likely include BLIND LEADING THE NAKED, but neither of the other two. From: Aaron Mandel Reply-To: Aaron Mandel To: Fegmaniax List Subject: infernal gadget ahoy! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:28:28 -0400 (EDT) i have whipped up a thing for feg album lists, and while it is currently rather crude, i believe that (a) it works and (b) more time spent on it right now wouldn't be much fun for me. so draw up a list of your 20 favorite albums (or fewer) and visit www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/poll/feg/best-albums.pl to avoid splitting votes between "Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians" and "Robyn Hitchcock And The Egyptians" (for one example), there's a list of whatever has already gotten some votes before you get to the manual list-making part. please have your own list in existence before you go so that you aren't swayed by the tastes of other fegs, who after all are ignorant swine compared to yourself. i've seeded it with a few things just for kicks. the lists or parts of them might be posted on the web, so if you don't want your name to be used, leave that space blank. please give an email address no matter what; those will only be used for me to contact you if your list was eaten or if you volunteer to write something. questions or comments, email me, not the list. have fun. aaron _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:17:10 -0600 From: amadain Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms >I'm a bit ignorant here too, but weren't innocent people brought before >the commission, Yes. >and wasn't an appearance before this commission instant >death for many a person's career Yes. It bears mentioning that you didn't have to have ever been a member of the Communist party. You could have been someone studying Russian literature, someone who spoke Chinese, someone who was "known to be liberal", anything really. Mr. Shell does not quite understand the situation. The State Department lost a lot of good employees during this "purge", and it had a very detrimental effect on US diplomacy because a lot of their most skilled employees were "suspicious" in that respect. Why would you study Russian culture unless you were a STALINIST SPY????? ;) (It also bears mentioning that having been a member of the US Communist party did not necessarily mean that one was conspiring with Stalin) >Yes, unless it is correct that McCarthyism was really a dark blot on >American history, in which case it might be said that they were the >only ones not displaying either ignorance or lack of conscience. And there's the real issue. For every Walter Winchell, who genuinely believed he was serving a cause and helping to destroy totalitarianism, there was an opportunist who simply found it easier to name some names and therefore get out from under suspicion him or herself. Some feel Kazan was one of those. I wouldn't say they were entirely wrong. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:05:16 -0500 From: GSS Subject: RE: recantation/nuck/beer/colorado/firearms > Beria, you McCarthyite thicky, Beria. Know thine enemy. The whiff of I acknowledged the misspelling. Fortunately now, the enemy is within and easier to spot, and the socio-fascist ideals have for the most part gone to dust but the thought police are getting closer everyday and the Colorado incident has just sped them up. > hypocrisy that your posts give off has me gagging 3000 miles away. > Mealy-mouthed you mumble - 'We have laws to protect us against the > 'improper sort' getting guns', but in practically every other comment > I've heard you make you bleat about the oppressive, interfering state. Gag away. The state is oppressive and interfering, are you arguing that point? What is wrong with the enforcement of laws to protect us against the 'improper sort', i.e.. rapists, child molesters, murderers, armed robbers or any robbers for that matter? We put these people in jail and then let them out so we have room for the pot smokers and heroine users and cocaine runners. A child molester should never walk free. But then neither should a rapist or a murderer. > position. As for the We Never Stepped Out Of Line When I Was A Kid Man, you don't read very well do you. I did not say we never stepped out of line, I said that when we did, we were disciplined. Maybe the 'stepped out of line' part should be explained. Being different in my family has always been encouraged, we were Jews in hickville. But spitting on coaches and telling teachers to fuck off after they asked you to be quiet during class was not encouraged. Kids need discipline. The current mentality includes little or no discipline. >For years I've foraged for wild edibles in the woods. More than once >I've heard the crack of a rifle and wondered if I wasn't going to >be mistaken for a deer. I have never shot a living creature in my entire life. I did go on a few hunting trips, but I got what they call "deer fright". I just could not pull the fucking trigger. Shit, I don't even fish anymore. Now when I'm in the woods, I eat my bagels from the backpack or forage for berries and roots and mushrooms if the time is right and peyote if I'm in the right place. Only when I was young did I ever think the main purpose of gun ownership was for hunting. >You can't legislate responsibility, can you? You can limit the Of course not, but man they are trying. Should parents be held responsible for what their 18 year old son does. If so, where does it stop, 19, 20, 30? >availability of appliances whose principal purpose is to kill. >Please explain the necessity of semi automatic weapons to the average >citizen. How about those ones that convert easily to automatic? The guns used in colorado were shotguns, a small caliber auto loading pistol and a small caliber auto loading rifle, none of which could 'easily' be converted to fully automatic. Cars kill more people than guns in the US every year and their principle purpose is not for killing. And I don't know the exact numbers, but I think cops kill more people than than gun crazy citizens. >You use firearms to address a problem with the national guard or >the pigs (by whom I assume you mean law-enforcement types), and >you think you'll solve that problem? If you didn't mean that, >just exactly what did you mean? That is what I meant. At least we will have a chance. The state should not be better armed than the people. Do you know any cops? I have known a few, and the thought of them having more firepower than us scares me to death. >I'm a bit ignorant here too, but weren't innocent people brought before >the commission, and wasn't an appearance before this commission instant >death for many a person's career -- regardless of the outcome? Hmmm... >maybe if the accused had some good armor-piercing ammo and rocket >launchers.... Yes, that is true unfortunately. But it was not true in every case. McCarthy was a loony. You should relate it to the time and environment throughout the world. No system is perfect, innocent people are put in jail everyday. Should we get rid of the police and the court system entirely? Even worse, innocent people are put to death, and that is the only reason I oppose the death penalty. I think the death ray thingy I mentioned in a previous post, about issuing one to everyone, might be a good idea. Sure it would be a little messy at first, but if everyone had one? 'The shepard drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepard as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty' - Abraham Lincoln np Isaac Stern-"Humoresque" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #157 *******************************