From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #153 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 08 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: High School shooting ["D B" ] RE: High School shooting ["D B" ] tom ze [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: the great escape [Ross Overbury ] Re: standing at the gates with your weaponry, etc. [dmw ] Re: "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" ["Chris!" ] Re: Colorado [dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders)] Queen Elvis shirt [Joel Mullins ] Eb-esque reviews [Eb ] Re: your mail [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: every bloody thing (Fahey) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Guns and Beer [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Queen Elvis shirt [GSS ] Re: Queen Elvis shirt [GSS ] Re: Colorado [Marcy Tanter ] t-shirt [Joel Mullins ] Re: Guns and Beer [Marcy Tanter ] Long Ryder sighting [Michael R Godwin ] Re: nuck fegativity.... [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:08:20 PDT From: "D B" Subject: RE: High School shooting >I don't think it's about how easy it is to get a gun in america... Tell that to the students... Which is to say, I think you're being willfully naive. Kids in America are screwed up for various reasons, poor parenting being only one of them. But the ready availability of firearms means that their dsyfunction more and more can be and is manifested in extremely violent ways. Charlton Heston should be shot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:07:42 PDT From: "D B" Subject: RE: High School shooting >I don't think it's about how easy it is to get a gun in america... Tell that to the students... Which is to say, I think you're being willfully naive. Kids in America are screwed up for various reasons, poor parenting being only one of them. But the ready availability of firearms means that their dsyfunction more and more can be and is manifested in extremely violent ways. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:41:51 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: tom ze On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:21:47 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:02:22 -0800 >From: Eb >Subject: Stories? Surreal? > >http://luakabop.com/tom_ze/ > >Interestingly, David Byrne sometimes posts to the Tom Zé bulletin board on >the Luaka Bop label site. Zé's live show doesn't sound entirely dissimilar >from Robyn's, eh? ;) > >Eb, wondering what sort of shirts Zé wears onstage As a long time fan of Mr. Ze, I would suggest him for those fans of angular challenging pop music, along the lines at times of the work of the early Soft Boys. get "the hips of tradition." -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:06:22 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" Subject line is from what movie? music: yea, I suppose that it can be a minute element in somebody's decline, but I'm with Eb (dammit) on what makes me feel violent, or at least violently ill. "Feelgood romantic comedy of the summer" movies. Right now I have a Neil Diamond song going through my head. Good thing I'm not a gun nut. It used to be Alice Cooper that everybody blamed everything on. Then it was rap. But we've had swill-pop going in our culture without question or interruption. Hmmmm. Starland Vocal Band, Air Supply, Barry Manilow, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, do I have to go on? I would much prefer to listen to boringly angst-filled, misogynistic Trent Reznor stuff than anything ever done by the above. I am still somewhat disaffected and outside of normal society, but it doesn't make me any more violent (although Celine really might.) And I agree with Carrie on the responsibility of parents, but I also think 1) it does take a village to raise a child, and that we need to accept some responsibility in helping shape the value systems of those with whom we are in contact, 2) somebody must have seen some warning signs here, and 3) Charleton Heston's response was beyond bizarre, almost comical if it wasn't so depressingly twisted. I don't think I'm going to have a magical epiphany about how to eliminate random violence by people who go nuts. I will let others do all of the work on that. I think that in the grand scheme of things, I will do best for myself to remember to focus a little bit more on life and people that I know. Yes, Randi and the rest of you fegs come to mind. Oh. The line is from _Stranger than Paradise_, one of my favorite flix. At least six of you probably had that. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: the great escape On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Russ Reynolds wrote: > > >/hal > >(living in Littleton, Co - creepiest place on Earth right now) > > I find it somewhat odd that for four days since the event not one person on > this list has mentioned the tragedy in Hal's town until now. > > Am I the only one who finds this odd? No, I do too. I wasn't about to be the first to comment on it, being a Canadian. I will say that I was floored by Charleton Heston's reaction. Today someone in upstate NY asked me if it was as bad here. It isn't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: standing at the gates with your weaponry, etc. On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > > was playing: Julie Doiron, "Will You Still Love Me?" woj would like this, > > I think. Dunno whether that's good or bad. > > << > > > > have you heard _loneliest in the morning_? how does this compare? > > No, I've never heard of her before. I'm just reviewing this for the > college radio station. I kinda like it, but it's the sort of stuff that > makes you fall asleep real easily - very quiet and moody. she used to be in eric's trip, which was noisy sometimes and pretty others. i really liked her first solo record ("loneliest") in an elliott-smithy, too-many-depressants kind of way. sounds like more of the same, mayhap. - -- d. np raincoats "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:37:33 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" > It used to be Alice Cooper that everybody > blamed everything on. Then it was rap. You forgot Ozzy Osborne, who for the sake of Satan and showmanship was killing animals--helpless, peaceful and, even, furry ones--on stage in the late seventies and early eighties. This would be, it was claimed and confirmed in some circles, the next step to killing pets, livestock, smaller children, educators, parents, church goers, ect. Thus, it was way cool/outsider to wear the ubiquitous Ozzy Osbourne T-shirt with your proto-mullet. Need I say that writing "Randy Rhodes Lives" on the back of buses and other public places frequented by the Satanic minions was a common occurrence. > But we've had > swill-pop going in our culture without question or > interruption. Hmmmm. Starland Vocal Band, Air Supply, > Barry Manilow, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, do I have to > go on? I have just conferred with Eddie, and he has told me that my heart will go on. How do you spell relief?? T-E-W-S. I don't even have to mention Iron Maiden, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:55:51 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #149 >Ten (or some other number) bands or artists I've never seen mentioned here >(a part from by me) that I think are good... > >The Butthole Surfers >The Screaming Blue Messiahs >The Monochrome Set >Bongwater >Furniture >The Holy Modal Rounders >The Fugs (all right the last two count as one) >Pere Ubu >The Roches >Link Wray >The Raincoats (Sleater-Kinney's grandmothers, and boy can they suck eggs) >The Red Krayola >Kevin Coyne. hmm. I've mentioned three of those here myself - Bikini Red by SBMs is a great track from a pretty good album; Monochrome Set I have previously said deserves to be listened to by anyone calling themselves a feg; and the Roches' "Hammond Song" is one of the most beautiful things to hit vinyl. >Anyone got any facts? erm... Quito is the capital of Ecuador. That'll get you started. Anyone like to provide some more? James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:55:38 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Littleton ><< I find it somewhat odd that for four days since the event not one person on > this list has mentioned the tragedy in Hal's town until now. >> we hada big multiuple killing at the village of Aramoana, not far from here, about ten years ago. The one thing that most Dunedinites learnt from it was the best things we can give the victims is out comfort and help - IF they ask for it, and enough free space away from the media that they can recover in their own way. Bombarding them with TV news teams is not going to do them any good. >I can't imagine why they'd listen to someone who promotes occult and >voodoo, not to mention CANNIBALISM. Why did you know, he jumps out of >coffins on stage? He runs about on stage with a jester's stick topped by a >human skull. Nothing is sacred to this man. There is nothing at all like >singing in his idiotic shrieking, and the "music" is derivative pap that >panders to the lowest common denominator at its -best- moments. ah, some of us remember Marilyn Manson when he was calling himself Alice Cooper. Or even Screaming Lord Sutch. Same as same as. The likelihood of these causing anyone to kill people if the are not already a little fucked in the head is probably nil. Why said fucked in the head individuals have such easy access to firearms, though, is completely beyond me. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:03:27 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Meg & Marilyn >Meg Ryan and/or Marilyn Manson, nothing. Not compared to the sorry >fact that firearms are far too readily available in the U.S. to be >justifiable in the name of any misguided Hestonian attempts at >achieving or maintaining democratic "rights." Deal with that first. >Anything else, so far as I'm concerned, is outright denial. Well, yeah...but while we all have the same access to firearms most do not think it would be a good idea to kill someone with one. I'd be happy if we could melt them all, but the fucked up people are still going to find ways to harm others. I firmly believe that we are all products of our environments. Irresponsible parenting is probably the worst crime anyone could commit because it doesn't effect just the immediate offspring...the ramifications are exponential. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:36:02 -0700 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: Re: Colorado > >My new goal in life is to not learn a single thing more about the > >Colorado shooting, Is this a sick society or > >what? Please, for the love of god, let's not start discussing it here. > > I don't know why you feel this way and I don't need to learn every graphic > detail, but I think that trying to deny it or ignore it is wrong. It's > exactly because people haven't learned from previous incidents that this > one occurred. I don't want to see a 4 month thread on the issue, but I > think we should talk about it, if people are inclined to. It's all too > easy in our society to lable someone as weird or an outcast and to then > ignore them--such as happened in CO--and then when they commit a heinous > act, people say "how could this happen?" What do you mean people haven't learned from previous incidents? The kids didn't learn that killing was wrong? The students didn't learn they shouldn't treat social outcasts badly? The social structure of children's worlds have always been a nightmare and always will be. There are a few things that can be done to improve the situation - educational campaigns, school counsellors, etc. - but as far as I'm concerned, this incident doesn't tell us anything new, except just how far it can go. As to how it happened, I agree with what David Librik said, and offer this verse from a song by Dan Bern called "Kid's Prayer" about a similar occurrence: And all the world is sent to offer up their condolences To offer up their theories of what went wrong and who and why and when and how It's all the killing day and night on television It's all the moving where violence is as natural as breathing It's guns and bullets as easily obtainable as candy It's video games where you kill and nothing is real It's people not having God in their lives any more Well it's all of it or none of it or some of it in various combinations... I take back saying that I don't want to see the incident discussed on the list. The debate has been very reasonable and well argued, with some excellent points brought up. It is the coverage in every other form, from the news to the discussion panels to the water cooler chats, that I object to. I refuse to believe it is my responsibility to find out about this tragedy. I believe that every citizen should be responsible for trying to learn about the important things that are going on in the world; the NATO bombing is one example. If I were to say that I don't want to hear anything about the bombing, that would be an unacceptable attitude. But to me, what happened in Littleton is about as newsworthy as the death of Princess Diana - that is, not very much. I intend to continue to avoid the subject as much as I possibly can. - -- Daniel Saunders Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away. - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:37:42 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Queen Elvis shirt Hey, I just remembered that I have a RH t-shirt in the back of my closet. It's an extra large, so it's WAY too big for me (I'm a pretty small guy). Because of this, I haven't worn it in years. It's from the Queen Elvis tour. It's black and has one of Robyn's drawings on the front in white. The drawing is of a man in a tophat who's standing on what seems to be train tracks next to an ocean and there are eyes in the sky and a jester on the ground. In a square around the drawing is part of the lyrics to One Long Pair of Eyes. I'd give the condition of the shirt a B-. The shirt itself is in great condition but the writing and drawing is a little faded. But it still looks pretty damn good. It hasn't been worn much on account of the size. Basically, if the damn shirt fit, I'd want to keep it. But since it doesn't, does anyone want it? It's just gonna sit in my closet for another ten years. I'd be willing to sell it for $300....okay, I guess I'd settle for a RH live show or two. Email me privately if you're interested. By the way, is anyone else getting really fucking antsy? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I haven't been this antsy in years. I better not be disappointed. I don't think I will be. I just wish July would fucking get here already!! Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:49:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Eb-esque reviews Today's LA Times has a 1 1/2-star review of the new Ben Folds Five album, which is literally the most vicious record review I've ever read in the Times. Wow. Meanwhile, Robert Hilburn has deigned to touch Waits with his magic wand of approval again, and reviews Mule Variations, saying it's "an early contender for album of the year." Heh. Yeah, yeah...let's see what he says in a few months, after the album fails to explode commercially. ;P Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:30:23 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: your mail >>>>> "Ross" == overbury writes: Ross> That's just enough to jog my memory. Yes, I was thinking of Ross> a flexitone. Which, if memory serves, was invented 'cos people liked the sound of a bowed saw, but couldn't play them. Flexitones used to be made from saw blades... - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:42:06 +0100 (BST) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Rumours of NMH's demise... >>>>> "Jason" == Jason R Thornton writes: Jason> Admittedly, I'd still be interested in hearing The Music Jason> Tapes on record. I heard a rumour that the CD won't be out until July, drat. Problems with packaging, apparently. Jason> It's not the fact Koster played banjo I had a problem with, Jason> it was the way he played it. And the lack of anything else Jason> going on... You're right; banjo can rock (if you see a track with Joff Lowson on bnajo, it will, anyway). I think Julian's "I'm-whinier-than-Jeff-Mangum" voice and clonky banjo go together. Don't know how. Jason> We're talking about "quail-licious," right? No, I was thinking 'quodlibet', actually. Jason> I unwrapped it yesterday, but the CD has yet to make it Jason> into the CD player yet. Mileage currently unknown. Don't walk or drive listening to it, that's all I say. Stewart [can I say now that EVERYONE *must* go and see Peter Mullan's new film, 'ORPHANS'? It's everything you could ever want in a movie, and most of it was filmed in my neighbourhood. Lobby your local arthouse now!] - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:03:38 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" Chris writesL >> It used to be Alice Cooper that everybody >> blamed everything on. Then it was rap. > >You forgot Ozzy Osborne, who for the sake of Satan and showmanship was >killing animals--helpless, peaceful and, even, furry ones--on stage in >the late seventies and early eighties. This would be, it was claimed >and confirmed in some circles, the next step to killing pets, >livestock, smaller children, educators, parents, church goers, ect. >Thus, it was way cool/outsider to wear the ubiquitous Ozzy Osbourne >T-shirt with your proto-mullet. Need I say that writing "Randy Rhodes >Lives" on the back of buses and other public places frequented by the >Satanic minions was a common occurrence. Yes, but it was Alice who was known as the "Chicken-Killer" long before Ozzy killed any animals (based upon the totally untrue story of Alice's encounter with a chicken onstage at the Toronto Rock and Roll Revival in 1969). In fact, Ozzy has gone on record to say that it was the fact that Alice was feared by the ASPCA that he decided to do it as well (obviously, Osbourne believed the Chicken story)--but more than once. So, in that respect, by the time Ozzy was pulling those stunts, been there, done that. Let Eb begin. He's sick; he's obscene... Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:39:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: "Screamin' Jay Hawkins, he's my main man" Brent predictably perks up: >Yes, but it was Alice who was known as the "Chicken-Killer" long before >Ozzy killed any animals.... > >Let Eb begin. Oh no, I'm always willing to concede Alice Cooper's influence, when it comes to use of stage props. He's kinda like the Carrot Top of rock music. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:21:27 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: every bloody thing (Fahey) On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > John Fahey is one of my favorite artists, and the album you mentioned > ("tToBJD") was just earlier today voted onto my All-Time Top 20 FegAlbumList > (um, by myself). I used to be able to play 'The death of the Clayton peacock' on slide guitar - wonder if I can still remember it? I saw JF a couple of times in the late 60s/early 70s - I'm amazed that he is still going, as he appeared to be drinking heavily in those days. If you like acoustic raga-rock, may I recommend the brilliant, if informal Davey Graham CD 'Afterhours', recorded during a late-night get-together in a student residence block in Hull University in 1967. There is some background noise, but the playing more than compensates for it. Same styles as the studio album 'Folk, Blues and Beyond', but a much more easy-going feel. - - Mike Godwin Fegbooks PS: Jean Katharine Rossner informs me that Philip Pullman's book 'Nothern Lights' goes under the title 'The Golden Compass' in the USA. Confusing! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:48:51 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Guns and Beer On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Hey, I saw something on the news earlier where someone said kids today > can get guns easier than they can get beer. Where the fuck did they get > that info? I don't know what it's like today, but when I was in high > school, beer was extremely easy to get and I NEVER saw a gun at school > or a party or anywhere. Age restrictions are really interesting and arbitrary. In the UK, you aren't supposed to drink in a pub before you are 18, but everybody knows that there are pubs in town which don't ask too many questions of 15 and 16 year olds. I was once in a pub where there was a celebration going on because one of the regulars had just turned 18 and become legal! You can ride a motorbike and get married at 16, drive a car at 17, and handguns are totally banned at any age, following an incident in Scotland where a mad bloke shot up a youth club. Dope is banned too - however, the famous war on drugs looks like being lost all down the line, despite the recent appointment of a drug Czar (or should that be Tsar, Stewart?). Trenchcoats are legal at any age, but the mildew got into mine... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:24:11 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Queen Elvis shirt Hey, I want that t-shirt. I have a number of live shows and I will send them all to you, on DAT, minidisc or cassette, or CDR for that matter. Just let me know the format. Regards, Gregory S. Shell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:26:59 -0500 (CDT) From: GSS Subject: Re: Queen Elvis shirt Oops, Sorry, did not mean to include the list in my last reply. Please have me arrested for typing while blind. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:44:04 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Colorado At 10:36 AM 4/25/99 -0700, you wrote: >What do you mean people haven't learned from previous incidents? The >kids didn't learn that killing was wrong? The students didn't learn they >shouldn't treat social outcasts badly? The social structure of >children's worlds have always been a nightmare and always will be. There >are a few things that can be done to improve the situation - educational >campaigns, school counsellors, etc. - but as far as I'm concerned, this >incident doesn't tell us anything new, except just how far it can go. People haven't learned. Schools haven't all beefed up security, children still have access to guns, parents still don't know what their kids are up to, etc. The kids at the specific schools may have learned something, but I wonder how many parents in Jonesboro still take their kids hunting? Children certainly haven't learned not to treat outcasts badly. The incidents should have had nation-wide reactions and they didn't. I can walk into my son's elementary school on any given day, walk through the halls where no one but his teacher knows me, and not a soul will ask what I'm doing there. I could open a classroom door and shoot up a room and no one will have known I was coming. The problem is, I think, that people think they're safe, that "this" won't happen in "my" community, when it very well could. Everyone has to take these things seriously and pay attention to what's going on at home and at school. I'm waiting to hear what's going on with the parents of the two murderers--they've issued a statement expressing regret for what happened, but I want to hear how a kid could have a shotgun in plain view in his bedroom and his parents not do anything about it. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:47:38 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: t-shirt Just in case some more people were interested in the Queen Elvis t-shirt, I thought I'd let you know that it is now promised to someone and there are several more people in line for it if that were to fall through, but I doubt very seriously it will. Thanks for playing. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:48:51 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Guns and Beer At 12:48 PM 4/26/99 +0100, you wrote: > >On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: >> Hey, I saw something on the news earlier where someone said kids today >> can get guns easier than they can get beer. Where the fuck did they get >> that info? I don't know what it's like today, but when I was in high >> school, beer was extremely easy to get and I NEVER saw a gun at school >> or a party or anywhere. My husband heard a report that says there are no age restrictions on buying handguns. Also, I can go into a gun shop, buy a gun with the usual waiting period, etc. and walk out the door and sell it to you without any background check, etc. perfectly legally. Our whole system is fucked! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:09:42 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Long Ryder sighting I was partaking of tea and crumpets on Saturday afternoon, and I thought I would check out the local paper for events. Imagine my surprise when I found out that Sid Griffin of the Long Ryders was playing at the Porter Butt, my favourite pub, where I have often performed with a multiplicity of no-hope local bands. Griffin's band were called the Coal Porters, and featured Rob Childs on pedal steel and Telecaster, Pat McGarvey on bass, and a drummer who definitely wasn't the drummer in the pic at: http://interchem.chem.strath.ac.uk/pd/CoalPorter.html (This drummer was a slim ageing teddyboy who was once in the Barron Knights!) The star of the show was undoubtedly the pedal steel player - it's the first time I've seen a pedal steel in Bath since Matthew's Southern Comfort played here in 1970. (I did see Rusty Young with Poco in about 1972, but that was in London). They were doing a 'Tribute to Gram Parsons' tour, and they sang 'Christine's Tune', 'Grievous Angel' (if it's called that), 'Hot Burrito #1', 'Hot Burrito #2', 'Las Vegas', 'Vancouver might be just my kind of town' (?-forgotten the title), 'Luxury Liner' and some other tunes I was less familiar with. Oddly, they didn't play 'Cody Cody' or 'Wheels' or 'Wild Horses'. Even oddlier, they did play 'You ain't going nowhere' which is a Dylan song. It was four quid to get in, but I think it was worth it, even though I had to walk two miles home. "First day in town I drink whisky Second day in town I drink gin Third day in town I drink anything 'cos I think I'm gonna win" - - Mike Godwin PS I asked Sid after the show what had happened to Matt and Steven from the Rain Parade, but he said that now he lived in London so he had no idea. Any info welcomed - Terry? Glen? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: nuck fegativity.... On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Take two kids who are exactly the same, both being a little fucked > emotionally. Now say that one of them likes to sit around playing > video games and listening to aggressive, negative music, and the other > likes to smoke dope and listen to the Grateful Dead. Which one is > more likely to shoot up his high school? if they're both exactly the same, i'd expect them to listen to the same music. i mean, i'm not kidding or dodging the question here. by saying that two kids who are exactly the same can like different music, you're totally ruling out the effect of personality on music choice, which a lot of people think is the dominant factor in any correlation you see between what music someone likes and how they act. a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #153 *******************************