From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #143 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 19 1999 Volume 08 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 500 [hal brandt ] Re: a new low [lj lindhurst ] Re: all time - Feg All Time! [lj lindhurst ] Re: all time - Feg All Time! [Aaron Mandel ] Fucking Top X Lists [VIV LYON ] Re: Joy Electric, etc. [Aaron Mandel ] Re: a new low [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: a new low [Joel Mullins ] Blithe Spirit [Joel Mullins ] Re: Blithe Spirit [Bayard ] Re: Fucking Top X Lists [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Blithe Spirit ["Chadbury the butler" ] Re: boring people and Hitchcock [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: a new low [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: boring people and Hitchcock [Ben ] Re: Blithe Spirit [Bayard ] rpm [Joel Mullins ] Re: rpm [Capuchin ] Goodfeggas ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: rpm [Aaron Mandel ] Re: rpm [overbury@cn.ca] Re: eb's modem is too slow for these [Capuchin ] Re: Skip Spence [Tom Clark ] Re: rpm [Joel Mullins ] Re: rpm ["Chadbury the butler" ] Re: rpm ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: rpm ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: Lunatics... ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Goodfeggas ["JH3" ] etiquette ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: rpm [Joel Mullins ] Re: etiquette [Chris Gillis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:21:55 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: 500 > my short list of the all-time most critically > overrated artists (uhh, sorry...don't have other examples to toss out right > now...Jane's Addiction though, for sure) Jane's always reminded me of Led Zeppelin. Listen to "Jane Says" and see if you don't think so. And, "the solo years"? Dave Navarro's prima donna stint with the Chili Peppers was laughable. Porno For Pyros was flaccid. The Jane's reunion was pure vanity. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:21:02 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: a new low >>>So...has everyone seen that Zombies/Tampax commercial? >> >>No!!! What song do they use??? HA! > >It's "Time Of The Season"...I guess 'cause they couldn't find a song called >"Time Of The Month". The spot looks like a '60s documentary, showing >hippies with bare feet and painted faces and flowers and peace signs loving >freely and dancing in the rain, with that mesmerizing Zombies beat >throughout. Pretty cool, until the final seconds when the words "Tampax Was >There" flash across the screen. You don't understand-- wearing a Tampax makes you wanna DANCE!!!! (Ain't I right, girls?) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Drugs are bad because if you do drugs, you're a hippie. And hippies suck." -Eric Cartman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:31:31 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: all time - Feg All Time! Am I the only person who is mentally screaming "OH MOTHER OF MARY SWEET BABY FUCKING JESUS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO NO NO!!!!!" to this notion? (oh wait, those are the unborn chicken voices in my head) >MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > >> I think this is a great idea! But, of course, I love lists. Would >> enough people vote to make it worthwhile. If, like, 50 or more people >>posted >> lists of their, say, Top 20 favorite albums, then we could make a pretty >> representative list from that . . I don't know if we could successfully make >> a Top 100 without having too many albums that were tied with 1 vote each; we >> could make an All Time Feg Top 40 or something, though! Whaddya say? I >> would be willing to keep track of the whole thing and tally up the votes >> [yes, by the way, I *will* openly accept payola :-)]. Oh, I think there's >> one important thing we should decide beforehand: Should we include RH >> material or not? I tend to think we kinda should. For myself, that'll only >> put one vote for one Robyn album on there . . . a few fanatics might >>saturate >> the list, but I think it'd even out in the long run. >> So, any further thoughts on formatting before we start posting and >> tallying? Should the individual FegLists only be Top 10? Should they be as >> long as Top 40? And should they include RH? > >You should let people put down as many as they want, based on how many albums >they have. For example, someone who has a collection of 500-1000 albums >may only >want to do a top 10 or 20, while someone with many more would want to do a >longer >list. And yes we should include Robyn, because it would be interesting to see >where those place in people's overall lists. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: all time - Feg All Time! On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Top 40 sounds more reasonable. There should probably be several steps > to the process, but I'm not exactly sure what they should be. i'm actually already in the middle of making a simple online poll gadget. it could be used for this -- say, everyone votes for 20 records? back to work. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: VIV LYON Subject: Fucking Top X Lists - --- lj lindhurst wrote: > Am I the only person who is mentally screaming "OH > MOTHER OF MARY SWEET > BABY FUCKING JESUS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO NO > NO!!!!!" to this notion? No. LJ, you're not. If I never see another top anything list in my entire life, so help me god, it will be too soon. Vivien I'm starting to think maybe I've discovered a gender-specific way of communicating. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Joy Electric, etc. On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Well, Stephen Merritt is a musical snob and elitist, which delights > other musical snobs and elitists, which I think accounts for some of > their popularity, at least. This does not ring true for me, perhaps because Merritt's favorite band is ABBA. None of the elitism within me cries out in brotherhood upon hearing this fact -- quite the opposite, in fact. > I've seen Magnetic Fields live twice, and they've never come even > close to the recordings (a big peeve of mine) Well, they're a different band live -- they play a different lineup of instruments, and there's no sequencers or anything. But in terms of verve and general performance quality, they're great live except for the occasional off-night, which happen more than they should. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:33:01 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: a new low eljay, the rabbit goddess Imacs: >You don't understand-- wearing a Tampax makes you wanna DANCE!!!! >(Ain't I right, girls?) ...and go swimming, and camping, and bicycling, and tree-climbing, and skydiving, and pouring blue liquids on absorbent materials or dropping them in water glasses-- or so we menfolk are led to believe. Can "feeling fresh" be so wonderful? Happies, - -Sharkboy Strangely, successfully suppressing potential feminine hygiene product-envy, though top X lists _sometimes_ make me want to plunge those things into my eyeballs. I guess I kind of like to read what people I know (fegs) think, but "some guy on the net says, who has these rules for his list that aren't mine" lists and arguing about them or making shit out of "some guy on the net" bores me to a point of throwing up blood. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. ps. I never liked Jane's Addiction or Porno for Pyros. I then saw PfP live and Perry Ferril (Ferile, Farile whatever) and co. were absolutely great. I developed a great deal of respect for them, yet still don't want to listen to their albums. I do kinda like "Jane Says." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:56:49 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: a new low Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I guess I kind of like to read what > people I know (fegs) think, but "some guy on the net says, who has > these rules for his list that aren't mine" lists and arguing about > them or making shit out of "some guy on the net" bores me to a > point of throwing up blood. And I mean that in the nicest way > possible. First of all, if something bores you, you can always delete it, which is what I do to all the long and tedious debates about the length of CDs or bonus tracks or especially those boring political discussions. Secondly, the low amount of traffic on weekends sometimes forces us to pull topics out of our ass. And last, but not least, the discussion of that guy's list sparked a nice discussion on Luna/G500 and other bands. I quite enjoyed that. Actually, what bores me the most is comments on how boring other people's discussions are. And I also mean this in the nicest way possible. Joel np: The Bolshoi-Giants ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:00:26 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Blithe Spirit Last night, I read a play by Noel Coward called "Blithe Spirit." It's about a guy, his wife, and his dead wife who is a ghost, of course. Does anyone know if Robyn's My Wife and My Dead Wife has anything to do with this play? In the play, the man is the only one who sees or hears his dead wife. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Blithe Spirit Yes, it was inspired by the play. Are there any other songs based on plays? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:14:05 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Fucking Top X Lists In a message dated 4/19/99 6:45:06 AM, vivlyon@yahoo.com writes: << I'm starting to think maybe I've discovered a gender-specific way of communicating. >> Discovered?! I think you'll probably find one Nick Hornby's flag already driven deep into that turf! So, okay, instead of making a list, let's all get involved in a process-oriented workshop (or maybe it could just be over a nice lunch) wherein we share our feelings about our all-time favorite albums . . . oh, wait, don't we pretty much already do that (except for the lunch part, necessarily)? I love hearing about people's FegDreams, reading essays on how great "In the Aeroplane" is, taking rides on travel logues, and whatever else. On the other hand, I really fail to see how one little list-making session would turn this forum into a testosterone-laden series of one-line grunts, arm chucks, and lewd come-on's. [see, Jeme, gender stereotyping can get *me* riled up, too :-)] But I also like Aaron's idea of having some sort of a form on some sort of a page, and people could just go to that site and vote. That way, if ya don't care to contribute to the list-making experience, ya don't have to. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:24:45 +0000 From: "Chadbury the butler" Subject: Re: Blithe Spirit > Yes, it was inspired by the play. Are there any other songs based on > plays? > Yes! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:32:05 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: boring people and Hitchcock In a message dated 4/18/99 9:56:55 PM, librik@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu writes: << It may be a particular bias of 30-ish music fans that causes us to think of the record as the "real" album, and CDs as "more expensive, audiophile, digital encodings of the album, packed with as much extra data as they can hold." So we want lots of bonus tracks that we can program around. I think it's time to admit that CDs aren't LPs-plus-more, they *are* LPs (only smaller and shinier), and the same sense that went into sequencing a good LP should go into the CD version. >> I couldn't agree more! Well, I have to actually (surprisingly!) disagree about "UW," in particular, as I happen to love the bonus track and think that it's one of the few CDs in my collection that is actually enhanced by "what were once bonus tracks and will now and forever be thought of as the kinda lame tracks that often tend to ruin the end of an album" . . . I wonder if future generations will think that, before the 90's (now that albums are more tailored for issue on CD), bands/artists just didn't know how to properly end an album (or, in the case of XTC, get through the middle of an album!). I can imagine some hip college kid 10 years from now saying, "Man, I like that Robyn Hitchcock guy, but someone should've let him know that the last 3-6 songs on each of his albums just don't quite live up to the 10 tracks before that." Actually, before we brought this up here on the list, I could've imagined some hip college kid saying that *today*! Joel? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:55:06 -0700 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: a new low >> I guess I kind of like to read what >> people I know (fegs) think, but "some guy on the net says, who has >> these rules for his list that aren't mine" lists and arguing about >> them or making shit out of "some guy on the net" bores me to a >> point of throwing up blood. And I mean that in the nicest way >> possible. >First of all, if something bores you, you can always delete it, which is >what I do to all the long and tedious debates about the length of CDs or >bonus tracks or especially those boring political discussions. >Secondly, the low amount of traffic on weekends sometimes forces us to >pull topics out of our ass. And last, but not least, the discussion of >that guy's list sparked a nice discussion on Luna/G500 and other bands. >I quite enjoyed that. Actually, what bores me the most is comments on >how boring other people's discussions are. And I also mean this in the >nicest way possible. Sorry. I agree that it does inspire peripheral discussion. I was expressing my own opinion, but didn't mean to suggest that y'all should curtail such discussions. I'm generally happy to go about my life, scanning threads I don't like... the "beating the crap out of Joel" one comes to mind. I also think we can get a bit worked up about somebody who has proclaimed himself lord god king bufu of musical knowledge's grand assessment of the best. After all, somebody who hangs a sign "musician" or "critic" or "A&R guy" has no reasonable qualifications over the person who just _actually_ listens to say what is great. I apologize for being less fegnice, but reserve the right to vomit blood as long as it is in the nicest way possible. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:10:39 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: boring people and Hitchcock > I can imagine some hip college kid 10 years from now saying, "Man, > I like that Robyn Hitchcock guy, but someone should've let him know that the > last 3-6 songs on each of his albums just don't quite live up to the 10 > tracks before that." Actually, before we brought this up here on the list, I > could've imagined some hip college kid saying that *today*! Joel? > > -----Michael K. But this assumes that most people ignore the writing on the back of the case!!! I mean, on "UM" it clearly states BONUS TRACKS. Maybe most record buyers *are* complete morons and don't notice this, but I'll be an optimist and hope it isn't true! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Blithe Spirit > > Yes, it was inspired by the play. Are there any other songs based on > > plays? > > Yes! that's not a song. that's a group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:30:48 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: rpm Hey, I just got the 7" for Elliott Smith's Needle in the Hay and I put it on my record player to find that it sounded like a girl was singing. It turns out that the record is 33rpm. I was under the impression that all 7" records played at 45rpm. I guess I was wrong. Or is this a mistake? It actually sounded a little slow at 33rpm. And why would Kill Rock Stars record all their other ES 7" records at 45 rpm and only this one at 33? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: rpm On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > Hey, I just got the 7" for Elliott Smith's Needle in the Hay and I put > it on my record player to find that it sounded like a girl was singing. > It turns out that the record is 33rpm. I was under the impression that > all 7" records played at 45rpm. I guess I was wrong. Or is this a > mistake? It actually sounded a little slow at 33rpm. And why would > Kill Rock Stars record all their other ES 7" records at 45 rpm and only > this one at 33? I don't have the song, but it stands to reason that if their machinery is built for a particular width of track in etching (and molding) the discs, then a 33rpm disc would allow them to run a track fifty percent longer than a faster spinning platter. Is it a long song? Look at the grooves on the disc. Is something funny going on? Huge label? Some writing? A second track? Anyway, my vote is for time. Or is someone out there making turntables with only one speed these days and they're trying to make that market? I don't know. I'm just upset that my turntable doesn't have a pop-up little wide hole filler spindle thingie. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:58:38 -0500 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: Goodfeggas For reasons too complex to explain, I watched "Goodfellas" 4 times this weekend, and caught something I'd never noticed before. At one point, one of the characters (I believe it's the unnamed guy who owns the restaurant that they torch) refers to himself as "half a feg". Interesting. Paul Christian Glenn | "Besides being complicated, trance@radiks.net | reality, in my experience, is http://x-real.firinn.org | usually odd." - C.S. Lewis Now Reading: "The Fellowship of the Ring" by J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: rpm On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joel Mullins wrote: > It turns out that the record is 33rpm. I was under the impression that > all 7" records played at 45rpm. I guess I was wrong. there's never been any fundamental reason why it should be like that, since the whole 45 vs. 33 (vs. 78) thing was the product of a corporate standards battle many many years ago. pressing a record for 33 rpm use lets you put more music on it (about 50% more) at lower fidelity. so a 7" at 45 rpm is still about the length of one pop song and a 12" at 45 rpm is about the length of one or two dance remixes. seems like a lot of 7"s now have the a-side at 45 rpm, and then two or three songs on the b-side, at 33. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:59:22 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: rpm > Hey, I just got the 7" for Elliott Smith's Needle in the Hay and I put > it on my record player to find that it sounded like a girl was singing. > It turns out that the record is 33rpm. I was under the impression that > all 7" records played at 45rpm. I guess I was wrong. Or is this a > mistake? It actually sounded a little slow at 33rpm. And why would > Kill Rock Stars record all their other ES 7" records at 45 rpm and only > this one at 33? The Pink Parker (Graham, that is) features 4 songs on a 33rpm 7" disk, as did a bunch of Parlaphone (?) Beatles re-releases. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: eb's modem is too slow for these On Sat, 17 Apr 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > additionally, here are a (very) few pix of some fegs (maybe you can > think of these as outtakes: not quite good enough to be included on > nick's page, but of interest nonetheless). > . I cannot fucking BELIEVE you put those awful Jabba pictures up. I'm so embarrassed. But I DO like the crab picture and have wanted a copy for some time, so thanks for that! Oh... and those last two pictures are in my building's elevator and at the front door to my apartment. I believe Michael is sporting the seasonal favorite El Proximo Ultimo Cone. This cone is an exclusive one of a kind item not found in any cone museum. So whether you're slipping off for a summer weekend at the glass hotel on the Isle of Wight or just relaxing by your home on the Isle of Wight. Wherever you go on the Isle of Wight, El Proximo Ultimo Cone is at the height of fashion. 145.20 ( ) L ( ) XL ( ) XXL ( ) T (available only in safety orange). J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:04:35 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Skip Spence On 4/17/99 8:25 PM, Eb wrote: >> his death, he was residing in a mobile home near Santa Cruz, where he lived >> on a subsistence income. A trust fund has been established to assist >> Spence's >> family with the late musician's medical bills. Anyone wishing to contribute >> may send a (non-deductible) donation to: Comerica Bank, CA, Attn: >> Marilyn Guzman, 1960 41st Avenue, Capitola, CA 95010. Checks should be >> made payable to: I.T.F. Alexander Lee "Skip" Spence. > >Sad. That was one miserable life he had. :( > >Eb Made even worse by the fact that he lived only five miles from Mark Gloster... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:02:37 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: rpm Capuchin wrote: > I don't have the song, but it stands to reason that if their machinery is > built for a particular width of track in etching (and molding) the discs, > then a 33rpm disc would allow them to run a track fifty percent longer > than a faster spinning platter. This is even more weird than I first suspected. I didn't even bother listening to the A-side at first because I have it on CD. It's the B-side (which has 2 songs) that's at 33 rpm. I just put the A-side on, and it's 45 rpm. That's really weird. You're probably right about the time thing. They must have had trouble fitting the two B-sides on it. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:06:32 +0000 From: "Chadbury the butler" Subject: Re: rpm > I don't have the song, but it stands to reason that if their machinery is > built for a particular width of track in etching (and molding) the discs, > then a 33rpm disc would allow them to run a track fifty percent longer > than a faster spinning platter. > > Is it a long song? > > Look at the grooves on the disc. Is something funny going on? Huge > label? Some writing? A second track? It's true that no matter what groove pitch you get a longer track at 33rpm than 45rpm. I think by the 70s, most record lathes could do variable groove pitch to make maximum use of the real estate. Loud signal = wide groove space, quiet signal = closer grooves. That's the technology that made possible the release of McArthur Park as a single.  - -- Swingin' Chadbury, who remembers those awful microgroove pressings of the '70s. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:08:51 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: rpm At 12:30 PM 4/19/99 -0700, Joel Mullins wrote: >....I was under the impression that >all 7" records played at 45rpm.... I have a couple or three U2 "45's" from the Joshua Tree era, each of which has two b-sides apiece. The single song on each Side A is at 45 rpm, and, in order to make room for two tracks, the two songs on each Side B are at 33.333333333333 rpm. A few weeks ago, someone about 5 or 6 years younger than me asked why "B-sides" are called "B-sides." Ah... the CD generation...200-500 rpm... - --Jason (currently not getting jiggy with it) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:13:30 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: rpm Jason R. Thornton prattled: > A few weeks ago, someone about 5 or 6 years younger than me asked why > "B-sides" are called "B-sides." I would chucked my Zimmer Frame at 'em. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:22:10 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Lunatics... At 08:38 PM 4/18/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >PS I saw the Zombies/Tampax ad today! YEEEESH! What, did Tampax decide >they needed to target the back-to-nature hippie-girl demographic which uses >sea sponges??? I think they're targeting women who were actually at Woodstock...one last time, before they hit menopause. Either that OR they're jumping on the Woodstock '99 bandwagon, riding in the nostalgia parade. - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:30:58 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: Goodfeggas Paul writes: >...I watched "Goodfellas" 4 times this weekend, >and caught something I'd never noticed before. At one point, one of the >characters (I believe it's the unnamed guy who owns the restaurant that they >torch) refers to himself as "half a feg". You're sure that was the restaurant in "Goodfellas" that was *torched*, and not the one that was attacked by a swarm of angry bees? - -JH3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:59:14 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: etiquette a hauled a lot of firewood in my youth, but i regret to inform that i've forgotten the dimensions of a cord! i just looked in the dictionary, and they only give the volume (128 cubic feet). but as i remember it, a cord has specific dimensions. well, i assumed it would all be done offlist anyway. i too think it's a great idea, and would be happy to put the results on my site (including each individual list). how does your thing work, aaron? 'cause a database would be ultracool, if you're set up for that. click on an album, and see all the fegs that had voted for it, and where they had ranked it. uh, click on two albums, and see which uk fegs had placed them both in their top 15. etc. doesn't he always sound like that? how long is a dance mix? 'cause i'm almost certain that the Wading Through A Ventilator 12" is at 45 rpm. it's got three songs to a side. always thought it was half a *fig*. not that i ever knew what that meant. http://leb.net/iac/ "...the people who in most places in the world provide opposition leadership are, here in America, holed up in academic sinecures arguing about the ethics of lunch and whether or not to hire an immigrant maid. The two-party dictatorship is literally destroying the country and Clinton is the worst president we've ever had -- much worse than Nixon and Reagan combined on everything from the environment to social and economic policy, and where's the left? Sitting by the phone hoping to get on one of those Dead White Man TV talk panels....frankly, these days every time I even see a copy of The Nation, In These Times, or, worst of all, Mother Jones, I feel like punching the first pony tailed, nasal whinnying, Virtual Asseted, public-radioed, candy-assed, so-called leftist who comes through my door. Unfortunately, they come through my door all the time and I'm too old and physically decrepit to carry out a decent physical assault. It's all very frustrating." --Bruce Anderson, Anderson Valley Advertiser _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:03:45 -0700 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: rpm Jason R. Thornton wrote: > A few weeks ago, someone about 5 or 6 years younger than me asked why > "B-sides" are called "B-sides." Could it be because they're the only other songs on the record "besides" the A-side? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:08:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Gillis Subject: Re: etiquette On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > 500. Two cords, some noodling solos, repeated over and over, whiny > "late-80s indie vocals."> > > a hauled a lot of firewood in my youth, but i regret to inform that > i've forgotten the dimensions of a cord! i just looked in the > dictionary, and they only give the volume (128 cubic feet). but as i > remember it, a cord has specific dimensions. Chord, cord; who would have known. cord (cd) a traditional unit of volume used to measure stacked firewood. Like most traditional units of trade, the cord has varied somewhat according to local custom. In the United States, the cord is defined legally as the volume of a stack of firewood 4 feet wide, 8 feet long, and 4 feet high. That's a volume of 128 cubic feet, about 3.6247 cubic meters, or 3.6247 steres. The name apparently comes from an old method of measuring a stack of firewood using a cord or string. cord foot (cd ft) a traditional unit of volume used to measure stacked firewood. A cord foot is the volume of a stack of firewood 4 feet wide, 1 foot long, and 4 feet high. Thus the cord foot is 1/8 cord, or 16 cubic feet, or about 0.4531 cubic meter. .chris ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #143 *******************************