From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #120 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 1 1999 Volume 08 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- cd's are too long [dmw ] Re: various heresies [The Great Quail ] Re: various heresies [dmw ] RE: cd's are too long ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: cd's are too long [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Crazy Diamonds [Ben ] RE: cd's are too long [Aaron Mandel ] RE: cd's are too long [dmw ] RE: cd's are too long [Eb ] RE: cd's are too long ["Thomas, Ferris" ] RE: cd's are too long ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Greatest Hits [Joel Mullins ] Re: cd's are too long [Joel Mullins ] RE: cd's are too long [Glen Uber ] Re: Greatest Hits [Ben ] RE: cd's are too long [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: cd's are too long [Ben ] RE: cd's are too long [Eb ] RE: Eat The Scoop! ["Partridge, John" ] RE: cd's are too long [Aaron Mandel ] mr rawk and his undeniable sidekick, mr roll [J Branscombe ] Re: Eat The Scoop! ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: singular or plural ["Russ Reynolds" ] stuffs [cinders blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: cd's are too long if i could go back and change the effing redbook standard, i would make it so that when you built a cd you could specify: a) the "normal/original" running order (no bonus tracks) b) the "alternate" running order (applicable to _gravy deco_, the kinks reissues, and a heap of classical discs, or two-on-1 cds) c) the "special" running order (bonus tracks only) (the default could still be all tracks.) ...and then the mode switch on yr cd player could have these useful things in addition (or instead of) "preview mode" and "single track repeat" i find it apalling that people think it's ok to make records that don't make for satisfying listening experiences *unless* you put them in a changer. that's what singles were supposed to be for. gawrsh, i've come over all curmudgeonly. sorry. - -- d. n.p. mary lee's corvette _true lovers of adventure_ "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 15:06:27 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: various heresies Ebsz: >Know what your problem is? You're just a sucker for an "epic." In film, in >music, in books. ;P Hey! Let's see . . . favorite albums circa 1983 . . . "Tales from Topographic Oceans," "Hemispheres," "Quadrophenia," and "Days of Future Past." Hmm. . . . favorite books, same time . . . "Dune," "Lord of the Rings," "The Foundation Trilogy," and the Elric series . . . Er . . . movies, let's see . . . all three Star Wars movies . . . Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse Now . . . Uh, oh. I have the cold creeping feeling that Eb just summed me up in one disdainful phrase, complete with an . . . er . . . a ;P thingie. . . . - --Dr Quailvago, imagining his tombstone: "Sucker for Epics." Oh, yeah -- and all those cool Rick Wakeman albums!!!!! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The people asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven." --Psalms 105:40 (Also see Exodus 16:13 and Numbers 11:31-34 for more starry wisdom) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: various heresies On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, The Great Quail wrote: > Oh, yeah -- and all those cool Rick Wakeman albums!!!!! all *what* cool rick wakeman albums?? ;-b ^ thingie surely that's an oxymoron?? - -- d., trying to avoid dairy products for a day p.s. this snidepop interval was really just an excuse for the following postscrypt: p.p.s. is "direct me to the cheese" still a probably alternate solution to "cheese alarm" in the matter of "What Eb Heard?" p.p.p.s. is "What Eb Heard" a "lost book" of howard phillips lovecraft? n.p. still mary lee's corvette. p.p.p.p.s. what hasss it got in itssss pocketssssessss??? "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:27:17 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: cd's are too long I don't know....when you shell out $18 for a retail priced cd--or more for an import--I think it's nice to "get your money's worth" with a nice, full disc. Too often I catch myself saying "why'd they stick that track on there?" when there's only 8 or 9 others to support it. When you've got a disc with, say, 17 tracks, it's a lot easier (in my mind) to forgive someone for a more weak track. Does a greatest hits collection suffer from a lack of "listenability?" Take something like the Kinks Kronicles disc. Was the Village Green Preservation Society really supposed to be heard sandwitched between Victoria and Berkeley Mews, or as a lead in to Do You Remember Walter? Just curious. - -f. _________________________________________________________________________ One must do violence to the object of one's desire; when it surrenders, the pleasure is greater." - - Marquis de Sade - -----Original Message----- From: dmw [mailto:dmw@radix.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 3:02 PM To: Engulfed in Living Slime Subject: cd's are too long if i could go back and change the effing redbook standard, i would make it so that when you built a cd you could specify: a) the "normal/original" running order (no bonus tracks) b) the "alternate" running order (applicable to _gravy deco_, the kinks reissues, and a heap of classical discs, or two-on-1 cds) c) the "special" running order (bonus tracks only) (the default could still be all tracks.) ...and then the mode switch on yr cd player could have these useful things in addition (or instead of) "preview mode" and "single track repeat" i find it apalling that people think it's ok to make records that don't make for satisfying listening experiences *unless* you put them in a changer. that's what singles were supposed to be for. gawrsh, i've come over all curmudgeonly. sorry. - -- d. n.p. mary lee's corvette _true lovers of adventure_ "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:00:55 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: RE: cd's are too long Thomas quizzically quertied: >I don't know....when you shell out $18 for a retail priced cd--or more for >an import--I think it's nice to "get your money's worth" with a nice, full >disc. I agree. There is the little matter of _no_ major labels paying for more than 12 tracks (yes, this is true.) It can seem to fragment a CD if over the time of writing/recording, if some songs don't belong on the same work. >Too often I catch myself saying "why'd they stick that track on there?" when >there's only 8 or 9 others to support it. When you've got a disc with, say, >17 tracks, it's a lot easier (in my mind) to forgive someone for a more weak >track. Absolutely. Also, if a weak track adds to the whole: Eye and IODOT have weak tracks that might make the whole weaker without them. I'm sure much of Robyn's discography works that way for me. On Moss Elyxir, I probably am not wild about the ditty containing references to Rush L., but I wouldn't go so far as to think that the album would be better without it. I think the same goes for NMH's recent CD. >Does a greatest hits collection suffer from a lack of "listenability?" I've never heard one that has a really good flow. Maybe an old Beatles one, but I'd have to give it another hearing. It is really difficult to listen to something compiled by a third party. Face it, a greatest hits album is not for the real fans or the artist. It is for people who are not big fans, and unmistakeably for record companies (sales returns, no investment, easy to schedule: happy profit.) By the way, often the artist gives up a great deal of royalties by the deals and defacto, since so many of these things are sold through special programs through IMG or Columbia type record clubs. Quite often, an artist will put out 2 or 3 different collections to close out a recording contract. Boingo put out something like 4 in a row before they left for Giant (though the _Boingo Alive_, live in a soundstage pair are some of the greatest things I've ever heard.) >Take something like the Kinks Kronicles disc. Was the Village Green >Preservation Society really supposed to be heard sandwitched between >Victoria and Berkeley Mews, or as a lead in to Do You Remember Walter? Exactly. Sometimes the order is purely chronological, and it is incredibly annoying. The few greatest hits discs I have prompt me to go just between the specific songs I like and avoid those which I could enjoy in a better context. Happies, - -Chad Rapunzel R. Shark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:05:49 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Crazy Diamonds Eb wrote: > >That doesn't necessarily mean that he never saw a Syd performance > >(although it very probably does). > > I doubt he did. Seems like Robyn would've mentioned it, if he had. I > expressed surprise that he had seen Hendrix and the Doors but not Syd's > Floyd, and he said something like, "Well, you know, Syd was pretty much > through performing live by 1967 or 1968." Given the topic of conversation, > it would've been peculiar if he had seen Syd live but didn't mention it. > Incidentally, he really perked up when I asked him if he had ever seen > Beefheart live. :) I've seen some live Syd performances. Through the magic of video of course. Ultra psychedelic groovy stuff. Anyone else see that "Look Of The Week" interview? Priceless stuff! "Maybe I am *too much* of a musician to fully appreciate them," says the host! Of course, then there's the American Bandstand "performance"... very disturbing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: cd's are too long On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > >Does a greatest hits collection suffer from a lack of "listenability?" > > I've never heard one that has a really good flow. The Complete Stone Roses keeps its flow through a good hour, though this may be because it's arranged chronologically and alternates a-side/b-side, leaving little room for mistakes. > Boingo put out something like 4 in a row before they left for Giant > (though the _Boingo Alive_, live in a soundstage pair are some of the > greatest things I've ever heard.) I'm not sure they're good enough to make up for the awful metal spectacle of the later 2-disc live album. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: RE: cd's are too long On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > I don't know....when you shell out $18 for a retail priced cd--or more for > an import--I think it's nice to "get your money's worth" with a nice, full > disc. umm. i guess one of my big problems is the idea that more running time automatically increases the value of the product. i agree that more *high quality* running time increases the value (to me) of the cd; but more *non quality* time actually decreases the value of the disc to me. the point about weak tracks being easier to forgive if there are more trakcs is interesting. i guess i do tend to evaluate albums according to what percentage of them works well for me. incidentally, some of my very favorite albums of all time e.g. _london calling_, game theory's _lolita nation_ are quite long, or were originally double albums, so i've no intrinsic objection to long records, but i do have an intrinsic objection to filler. ...and _sandinista!_ has a special dispensation. i'll listen to strummer/jones filler, and yea, at least some of rhitch's filler. th' gallagerh bros. and billy fucking corgan haven't earned it yet, baby. - -- d. "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:46:49 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: cd's are too long Happiemark: >I agree. There is the little matter of _no_ major labels paying for more >than 12 tracks (yes, this is true.) Aha. I must investigate this further. I should know about this stuff. >On Moss Elyxir, I >probably am not wild about the ditty containing references to Rush L., >but I wouldn't go so far as to think that the album would be better >without it. I think the same goes for NMH's recent CD. Yes, I agree that the NMH album would suffer, if it lost the song about Rush Limbaugh. Regarding the CD-length issue, probably the most dismaying thing Robyn told me was that the new album would only be 11 tracks and 40ish minutes. To me, this is another symptom of him being too unwilling to enter a contemporary mindset. Speaking as someone who taps his fingers through a LOT of way-overlong CDs (np: Cool Breeze, yet another hopelessly padded rap disc), I do have a lot of cynicism about hour-plus CDs. And in Robyn's case, I wouldn't really *want* him to put out a monster-length CD -- he's not really "conceptual" enough to suit that format. But I sure wish he would consider something in 14-track, 50-minute range. The thing I wish I had told Robyn was that he seems to forget that those classic 38-minute albums he was talking about were released in an era when bands released new albums every 8 months. It's a different story now -- albums aren't perceived in that "here's the latest little helping of the Byrds" context anymore. Albums are Big Definitive Statements, and more importantly, they only come out every year and a half or so, at best. Eleven songs don't usually stretch that far. Now, I will say this: If Jewels for Sophia is truly going to be a more "rawk" affair, that would be better suited for a shorter, punchy length. However, I do wonder what Robyn considers "rock" on his conservative scale, nowadays. I mean, while watching Jason Loewenstein howling the latest Sebadoh anthems, Robyn looked like he was hearing a foreign language. ;) But still, I'd like to see Robyn shoot for 14 tracks. Especially, if he has judged 25 new songs good enough to record. Eb PS Robyn also mentioned never getting to see the Jefferson Airplane. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:03:51 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: cd's are too long Eb prattled: Now, I will say this: If Jewels for Sophia is truly going to be a more "rawk" affair, that would be better suited for a shorter, punchy length. However, I do wonder what Robyn considers "rock" on his conservative scale, nowadays. Exactly what could be considered "rawk"-ing of Robyn's most recent work? Sure, there's going to be an untested track or two, but if anyone's seen him play lately (since the release of Storefront) he's field tested what I would think were new album tracks. The newest stuff hasn't been what I would call raucous by any stretch. Granted, every time I've seen him has been for an acoustic/mostly acoustic show, but even when open to interpretation I don't know how he could jazz the newest work up to a "rocking" state. Thoughts? Plus, I'm depressed that "Neitzche's Way" (sp?) won't be on JFS. Guess I'll have to hope for "Mossy Jewels For Sophia" or something of the sort.... np: "Songs About Our Past, Part 1" (a Sunday Records comp). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:19:24 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: cd's are too long At 01:46 PM 4/1/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >>I agree. There is the little matter of _no_ major labels paying for more >>than 12 tracks (yes, this is true.) > >Aha. I must investigate this further. I should know about this stuff. You know, I'm also familiar with this assertion, but I had heard that it was *10* songs. For some reason, I remember this "fact" being thrown around when someone was explaining why there are only 10 tracks on every Cocteau Twins release. Jason (infuriated most by Peter Greenaway) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:08:35 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Greatest Hits Speaking of Greatest Hits albums, Mariah Carey insists that her newest CD, Ones, which contains all her number one hits, is not a greatest hits album. This baffles me. What the fuck does she think it is? What would she put on a greatest hits album? All her songs that never charted? Or does she have a bunch of songs that were bigger hits than the ones that hit number one? As far as Greatest Hits albums go in general, I don't really care for them either. The record companies have learned how to make a lot of money off them, though. Take A&M's Robyn collection. It's no way near a greatest hits album. It only covers a small portion of his career. But they still sell the album to people who are not familiar with Robyn: people who just want to become aquainted with his music because they heard Balloon Man and want to see if they like the rest of his music. Then they add a few B-sides and all of us fanatics go out and pay $15 just to have those 4 or 5 B-sides on CD. It's a great marketing strategy. But I never actually listen to the CD. Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:19:09 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: cd's are too long Thomas, Ferris wrote: > Exactly what could be considered "rawk"-ing of Robyn's most recent work? > Sure, there's going to be an untested track or two, but if anyone's seen him > play lately (since the release of Storefront) he's field tested what I would > think were new album tracks. The newest stuff hasn't been what I would call > raucous by any stretch. Granted, every time I've seen him has been for an > acoustic/mostly acoustic show, but even when open to interpretation I don't > know how he could jazz the newest work up to a "rocking" state. > > Thoughts? Well, I don't really remember the last RH show I saw, so I can't comment much on new material. But of the songs I've heard, I can easily see how they could be more upbeat or rawk, if you will. Obviously, it probably won't be quite as rawk as the Soft Boys. But things change a lot when you add a full band. I've written songs that were slow and mellow when played solo acoustic. But when I played them with a full band, they went faster and basically rawked a lot more. (Why, may I ask, are we using that stupid spelling of the word rock?) Joel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:38:33 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: RE: cd's are too long On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > Plus, I'm depressed that "Neitzche's Way" (sp?) won't be on JFS. Guess I'll > have to hope for "Mossy Jewels For Sophia" or something of the sort.... How about "Soap For Jewel Leah"? Cheers! - -Glen- )+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net )+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:35:57 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Greatest Hits Joel Mullins wrote: > Speaking of Greatest Hits albums, Mariah Carey insists that her newest > CD, Ones, which contains all her number one hits, is not a greatest hits > album. This baffles me. What the fuck does she think it is? What > would she put on a greatest hits album? All her songs that never > charted? Or does she have a bunch of songs that were bigger hits than > the ones that hit number one? As a devoted Mariah Carey fan, I can testify that her most brilliant work can be found on single B-sides and tracks exclusive to Japanese imports. The "casual fans" will probably only be familiar with her "hits" they've seen on MTV. Of course, "Ones" contains fantastic material, (after all it's Mariah) but you owe it to yourself to dig deeper. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:40:04 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: RE: cd's are too long Jason (that almost name-dropper) said: >>I agree. There is the little matter of _no_ major labels paying for more >>than 12 tracks (yes, this is true.) > >Aha. I must investigate this further. I should know about this stuff. >You know, I'm also familiar with this assertion, but I had heard that it >was *10* songs. For some reason, I remember this "fact" being thrown >around when someone was explaining why there are only 10 tracks on every >Cocteau Twins release. I think 12 is the max. 10 is probably more common. It is interesting that when the medium changed to CD, and despite slightly higher initial fabrication costs and the profit to the record companies per article went up sharply, but the artists did not renegotiate the standard royalty structure of songs. Of course, it is now much cheaper to manufacture CD's than LP's, so our friendly record conglomerates are bagging more dough. Hope you're all avoiding hideous glowing soup today as I have, - -Markg, who saw something nasty in the cafeteria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:47:00 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: cd's are too long Joel Mullins wrote: > (Why, may I ask, are we > using that stupid spelling of the word rock?) It's just another "I'm too sophisticated to like AC/DC-ish rock bands" Fegism. If you consult your Fegtionary, you will find it states whenever using the word "rawk" it is advisable to raise a fist in the air and follow through with a loud "YEEEAAAHHH!!!". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:44:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: cd's are too long >Not surprising, because the title of the film is actually "Mr. Sardonicus." Oooops. I guess that my pervasive Spirit fixation must've gotten the better of me. Ferris: >Plus, I'm depressed that "Neitzche's Way" (sp?) won't be on JFS. Doesn't necessarily mean it won't be...just means it's not on Robyn's short list of must-include tracks. Ben: >As a devoted Mariah Carey fan, I can testify that her most brilliant work >can be found on single B-sides and tracks exclusive to Japanese imports. The >"casual fans" will probably only be familiar with her "hits" they've seen on >MTV. Of course, "Ones" contains fantastic material, (after all it's Mariah) >but you owe it to yourself to dig deeper. It's about time we had an April Fools Day post.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:45:40 -0800 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: Eat The Scoop! > anyway? and h) I still would strongly counter that I'm not known for > tearing into list newbies -- I'm much more prone to tear into > the fussy, > weenie old-timers. ;) > > Dear Advertisers, I am disgusted with the way old people are depicted on television. We are not all vibrant, fun-loving sex maniacs. Many of us are bitter, resentful individuals. - -- Grampa Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: cd's are too long On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote: > I agree. There is the little matter of _no_ major labels paying for > more than 12 tracks (yes, this is true.) It can seem to fragment a CD > if over the time of writing/recording, if some songs don't belong on > the same work. there are some that go with 10, some 12; anyone know which are which? a lot of people believe this is actually mandated by law, but ASCAP says it's just written into most contracts. this is so anachronistic that you'd think some Pearl Jam-type crusader would have made it an issue, but i've never heard about it happening. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:11:16 -0500 From: J Branscombe Subject: mr rawk and his undeniable sidekick, mr roll Rockin' Robyn... Reading interviews with Robyn and looking at various recent live performances and recorded collaborations Mr H has obviously rediscovered the inimitable talents of Kimberley Rew. In the Soft Boys it is no secret that Robyn saw Kim as a challenge: nay, even as someone who rebuked his genius. If he had confronted the problems he had with him then (he has repeatedly said that Kim was too loud) I think he might have produced even better work during the 80s and 90s. During the '98 12- Bar Club gigs it was the subtlety as much as the raucousness of Rew's playing which touched my uninitiated companion. Robyn moved her as well, but it is worth noting that Kimberley was afforded an incredible reception when he came on, and I don't think it was all to do with nostalgia. While I think that a heck of a lot of stuff between 81 and 98 is superb, I wish Robyn had occasionally felt able to say ' Kim, fucking burn them up here,boy', or, 'Kim, do you think you can do something nice and quiet here now'. Honestly, Rew's backing to IODOT was transcendentally beautiful. jmbc p.s. I got buried under eb's admittedly awe-inspiring Close Encounter, BUT, I think David Lean's version of Great Expectations is overrated and Apocalypse Now has little to do with Heart Of Darkness. Who wrote Clockers...sorry... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:37:57 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: re: Happy April Fools Day >After weeks & weeks of organization, I got 28 of the best cartoonists on >the internet (and me) to switch strips for a day! >If you like amusing things, you should check it out. >It may even make the papers (let me know if you see anything about it) I hate amusing things. Who wants to be amused? Amusing things suck. They should be banned. I think last year or the year before a number of the newspaper cartoonists switched strips. Good prank (I'm amused, and I hate you for it). Terry, you'd appreciate this: back when I was in 5th or 6th grade (Probably 6th, so '70-'71) at least five or six cartoonists one day all drew strips that in some way featured the same guy (if I think about it long enough I might remember his name) but nobody I asked seemed to know who this guy was. I don't believe it was on april 1, so chances are it was the guy's birthday, or perhaps he was a retiring cartoonist. To this day I'm still wondering who that was. Do you, as a comix buff, have any access to information on stunts like this which may date back to that day in the '70s? All's I can recall was that Bugs Bunny was one of the strips. Alley Oop may have been another. Short of going to the Library at Stanford and digging through eighteen months of microfilm (which, as a grown man with a family to provide for I haven't got time to do) I don't know how I'm ever going to find the answer for this. KFOX fools joke today: All aging rock stars, all day (as DJ's). Rick Nielsen, Kevin Cronin, Eddie Money, Jonathin Cain, Fee Waybill & Ronnie Montrose all did shows for us (and of course Greg Kihn in the morning). Eddie Money was a riot. I had fun with the promo. And just so I don't get kicked off the list, I own records by only two of those guys (three if you count compilations). - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:55:01 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! > Eat The Scoop! Eb--thanks for this! Exactly what this list needs. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying all the other conversation but we really needed a good dose of RH news and this did the trick. Thanks for passing all this info along. July 20--anniversary of the first moon landing, and release date for the rockin'est RH album in years. I have high hopes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:22:49 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: singular or plural >> This brings to mind the very interesting recent throwaway remark by a feg >> over whether bands are singular or plural. > >Someone noticed me! I feel validated. A band is an entity, so technically "The Who released its new album" would be correct. Just as "The crowd is going wild" is correct. Listening to Monty Python's "Novel Writing" (on "Matching Tie & Handkerchief") I've always been struck by how odd it sounds when Palin says "The Crowd are loving it!" On the other hand, in sports you might hear "San Francisco won it's 5th Superbowl" but never "The 49ers won it's 5th Superbowl." But I have heard "Stanford won it's first round game" and "The Cardinal won it's first round game" I wouldn't expect to hear "The Beatles released its new album", but "Love released its new album" makes perfect sense to me. Must have to do with whether or not the name itself is plural. The English language makes no sense sometimes. Or maybe it makes too much sense. The Crowd is going wild. The Fans are going wild. The list is bored by this. The list members are bored by this. Sorry I said anything. - -rUss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:30:32 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: stuffs thanks, Eb, for the robyn news. regarding mechanical royalties, the number i've heard is 11 songs. the label was atlantic, but i don't know the circumstances of the deal. can someone tell me why i should care about sebadoh? i fell off the grunge train just in time to miss the rearing of their head and am curious as to if i should go back and remedy that situation. woj n.p. the apples in stereo -- tone soul evolution ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #120 *******************************