From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #119 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 1 1999 Volume 08 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sailing the Seas of Feg: conclusion (honest!) [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: karmic retribution? ["Russ Reynolds" ] waded it through it all to get one wee bit [dmw ] Re: Eat The Scoop! [overbury@cn.ca] Re: Eat The Scoop! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Eat The Scoop! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: various heresies [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Eat The Scoop! [Christopher Gross ] Re: White Sea Screenplay ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Eat The Scoop! and Old 97 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: various heresies [The Great Quail ] Re: Eat The Scoop! [Ben ] RE: Eat The Scoop! and Old 97 ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: various heresies [Eb ] Re: Eat The Scoop! [Eb ] Re: various heresies ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:47:23 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Sailing the Seas of Feg: conclusion (honest!) Day 23 After a night of bailing and fitful sleep, I am awakened by a series of shrill cries cutting through the howling wind like the shrieks of a dozen seagulls. Sitting up, I see an evil-looking craft leaping over the waves in my direction. As it draws closer, I can see that it is painted pink with myriad decals of flowers, butterflies, and Sanrio characters. A chill that surpasses even that of the icy water runs up my spine. I have encountered those dread predators of the Mare Ad Nauseum: the Indie-Pop Pirates! As the ship draws closer, a girl wearing cat's-eye glasses and far too many barrettes leans over the side. "Give us your 7-inches or prepare to be boarded!" she snarls, brandishing a razor-sharp copy of Belle & Sebastian's "Tigermilk." "Never!" I cry back, unwilling to admit my unhipness in never having even owned a 7-inch. More girls with too many barrettes, and boys in stripy T-shirts and horn-rimmed glasses, begin to swarm over the side. Just in time, I discover a battered yet still functioning copy of "Everything Is" wedged under the boards of my boat and fling it in the direction of the Indie-Pop Pirate Queen, neatly decapitating her. Horrified by the death of their leader, the pirates retreat. "Wimps!" I call after them. "Exactly!" says one of the pirates, before they board their craft again and sail off into the storm. Day 24 The night passes in the same manner as the night before, but stranger and stranger creatures are turning up on my fishing lines, or are being tossed into the boat. A two-headed boy all floating in glass; a liarbird, at which Allen hisses and bridles; a Queen of Eyes, her black lace tattered and torn and her carapace broken; a particularly vicious-looking can-opener; even the rare and elusive King Bee, though his wings be furled. All of them are dead; none are edible. My stomach contracts with hunger. At last the storm begins to abate. As the waves calm, and the sky clears, I see that the water has turned the friendly lustrous gold of Brewer Tom's concoctions, and the surface is broken by leaping schools of glittering runion-fish. And in the distance - in the distance is the Feg ship, brilliantly colored in the newly-risen sun! I have come home! "So you did get us home!" I say to the Dignan, who puffs himself up and looks very pleased with himself. "Didn't I say so?" he squeaks. As my boat draws closer, I see Fegs on the ship, waving. I wave back, my heart overflowing with joy. I can hear strains of "Leppo and the Jooves" being played, discussion of Olivia Tremor Control and "Storefront Hitchcock," the Sharkboy dispensing happies hither and yon, Eb dismissing everyone's favorite records, and Jon Fetter weaving his latest tale to an attentive crowd. Ah, bliss. None other than woj himself drops a line so that Allen, the Dignan, and I can ascend to the deck. We are welcomed by many, given EB beer and centipede liqueur to drink, and offerings of roots and bulbs. Then I turn around and see Vivien and LJ, arm-in-arm, accompanied by a sullen young man clutching a zanzithophone. "Who's this?" I say in confusion. Vivien and LJ both beam. "Jeff Mangum's love child," they say in unison. Clearly I have been away longer than I thoughtŠ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 05:59:23 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #116 >>9. Tim Jones. He's got an English accent! Groovy! >> >>10. Chris Donnell. Didn't talk to him much, but he seemed like a >>requisite cool cat a la the Globe of Fegs. > >whoa...back up a second there... is there a Tim Jones on this list? Or is >this world becoming smaller all the time. I know a Tim Jones, Hey, me too! I wonder if this is the same two Tim Joneses I went to school with? - -Tim Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:01:20 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: karmic retribution? >Subject: karmic retribution? > >Is this Fabio/bird story the most bizarre thing you've ever heard, or WHAT? > >Eb ...That and the Eb/Bee story. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:14:50 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: waded it through it all to get one wee bit Eb: > (The Old 97's apparently just finished an > album as well, woohoo! sorry, but i'm more excited about this than about sofia's jules. i thought mechanicals and royalties were two different things. the real money (for the writer, like rhett) is on the latter; the former is flat rate, and may well cap at 12 compositions, depending on yr contract. i've done a moderate amount of research on this stuff, and have almost completely convinced myself that i don't want a record contract. i think the Eb page loads slowly because the graphic is in the same table as in the text. didn't snoop the source, but i bet if the graphic had height/width tags it'd all be snappier. btw: really liked the "seas of feg" 'specially the indiepop pirates bit. (let's invent a new genre: snidepop!) and the web seems like a warmer place now that i know it has room for a baby flamehead website. (whatever happened to...?) thanks to the mystery flat for digging it up. you rock, dude. - -- d. (made it!) n.p. happy rhodes _many worlds are born tonight_ p.s. we won't play either a hitchcock or an old 97's song tonight. might do pj harvey though, if the mood takes us. "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:18:29 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! Well folks, looks like 'ol Eb has earned his keep for a while. Toss him a couple of plump deadheads! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:42:51 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! Really interesting, Eb - I have to comment on some of these points! > Rhett > asked about there being more songs on "Eye" and "I Often Dream of Trains," > and postulated that since a totally solo album is a big vanity project from > the start, maybe it made more sense to pile on extra songs. Interesting > point, but I'm not sure that Robyn bought it. Well, I've only got 40-minute LPs of these two records - I presume that the CDs have extra tracks. I know that the EoL CD exists in two forms, one of which has a few more tracks than the LP, and the other of which adds outtakes too, so that the 'long' CD has twice as many tracks as the LP. The 'long' CD is unlistenable, whereas the LP is one of the all-time great records. Taken in conjuction with RH's parallel issues of LPs for the last couple of releases, I guess that this 40 minutes business is part of a sort of one-man 'back to LPs' campaign by RH. > 6) Robyn was too young to see Syd Barrett with Pink Floyd, but he did see > the Doors and Jimi Hendrix during their later days, both at the Isle of > Wight. That doesn't necessarily mean that he never saw a Syd performance (although it very probably does). Syd performed at Olympia in 1970 with the 'Peel sessions' band (Jerry Shirley and David Gilmour IIRC) and did a couple of disastrous gigs in Cambridge with 'Stars', a band featuring Twink on drums (ex-Tomorrow, ex-Pretty Things) and Jack Monck on bass, in the early 70s. Jack Bruce also reported seeing Syd jamming some jazz standards around this time, possibly with the same group. Bearing in mind the Cambridge connection, RH could have seen a Stars gig, or even met Syd, who still lives in Cambridge. (I never saw any of these shows - I only saw Syd with the Floyd* - but I have a terrible bootleg of 'Octopus' from the Olympia show). > He said something about not too many American bands making it over > to England back then, which spawned a concurrent discussion with Rhett > about work visas, the UK government's concept of "man hours" and other > issues. Rhett said the Brits make it way too hard to get a work visa, and > claimed that the government has some sort of "equal time"-type policy going > on -- almost like it was a direct swap: "You send us the Old '97s, and > we'll send you an UK band and a first-round draft pick to be named later." Band swaps were definitely the rule in the 50s and 60s, which is why it was such an event when Big Bill Broonzy or Muddy Waters was allowed to perform in the UK. But my understanding is that it was the powerful Musicians' Union which enforced these agreements, not the gov'nm'nt. It was definitely the MU which enforced the ghastly 'needle time' rules, which restricted (and still restrict?) the number of records that can be played on UK radio. The London branch of the MU tried to get synthesizers banned for putting musicians out of work... > 7) Robyn saw Captain Beefheart live a couple of times around 1972 and 1973, > and says those were the best shows he's ever seen. Yes, that's right. > Or at least, the most > rocking. He said that the Captain's low notes shook the whole room, so > powerful they were. In particular on his solo vocal number, 'Black Snake Blues'. Gut-wrenchingly awesome. > And he liked that all the backing players had > nicknames/personas, so that everyone seemed to have a really distinct > onstage character, instead of being just anonymous sidemen. You must read 'Lunar Notes' by Zoot Horn Rollo (Bill Harkleroad) for a description of life inside the Magic Band. And John French was pretty informative on the recent BBC TV show about Beefheart. When did you say the 5-CD Beefheart out-takes package with notes by John French was due? > 8) Robyn spent a bewildering amount of time asking Rhett about his band's > name. Heh. Apparently, it has something to do with a train derailment/crash > in days gone by. Maybe it took place in 1897, or maybe the train was #97. I > didn't quite gather. Aha, you really don't know this! It's from a song called 'The wreck of the old 97' which used to be sung by Johnny Cash IIRC. I don't know if he wrote it - it sounds like a folk song. > Robyn was asking him about whether the band was called > "Old 97's" or "THE Old 97's," which spawned a discussion about the optional > use of "The" in certain band names, and whether to print "The" or not on > album sleeves. This brings to mind the very interesting recent throwaway remark by a feg over whether bands are singular or plural. The Melody Maker used to carry sentences like 'The Who is recording its new album next month' which just look ridiculous to me. And although Pink Floyd claim to have no definite article, my copy of Arnold Layne definitely credits The Pink Floyd. Anyway, whether or not you had to use Machiavellian warthog skills to get invited for drinks with RH, you did good, Eb! - Mike Godwin PS David Greenberger has added a photo I took to the Museum of RH - see http://www.robynhitchcock.com/rhatseaphoto.htm * Floyd PS: I did see the Syd-era Floyd six times; and I saw them another half-dozen times after RKB left, but gave up at the time of Meddle - they were playing like a load of architects! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:48:06 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Eb wrote: > Rhett also claimed that record companies screw you if your album has a > lot of tracks, because they only pay mechanical royalties on a maximum > of 12 songs. For the rest, you get nada. I can't say whether this is > really true or not. i believe it's 10, but there's some rule like that. doesn't quite make sense to me, particularly in the case of greatest-hits records. > 5) Songs Robyn says are certain to be on the album: "Jewels for Sophia," > "Dark Princess," "Viva Seatac," "The Cheese is Alone" (I *think* that was > the title) if this is "Cheese Alarm" (which it might not be), i'll be pretty happy to see it released. was "Nietzche's Way" the one other he mentioned, by any chance? anyway, that's a much better omen, from the wanting-him-to-rock point of view, than the track list for Moss Elixir. > Oh, and Sebadoh apparently guested on KCRW's "Morning Becomes Eclectic" > today, and got the station all pissed off due to saying "fuck" and various > other sins. They have been banned from the station, and Lou was obviously > pretty pissed off about it. a few years ago, he swore never to play a show in boston again because one of our DJs said the new sebadoh record sucked. what a prima donna. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:15:14 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: various heresies On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Eb wrote: > Speaking of films, I saw a *hilariously* entertaining movie a couple of > nights ago: "Dr. Sardonicus." It's an old William Castle film, about a man > whose face was frozen into this horrible smiling-skull expression, after he > dug up his father's grave to get a winning lottery ticket which was > accidentally buried along with him. Fabuloso! May I remind UK fegs that early tomorrow morning James Whale's 'The Old Dark House' (1932) is on TV? Karloff, Laughton, Ernest Thesiger etc. A Halliwell Top 100 film ... - - Mike Godwin (again) > and creepy old Oscar Gomolka playing the one-eyed "Igor"-type character. * Homolka PS I agree with Aaron about 'Cheese Alarm'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:21:03 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > This brings to mind the very interesting recent throwaway remark by a feg > over whether bands are singular or plural. Someone noticed me! I feel validated. BTW, when you say that the extra-length CD version of Element of Light is "unlistenable," do you just mean "unlistenable in its entirety"? Or do the extra tracks sort of spoil the mood for you? - --Chris ps: How about Clockers as a great movie based on a great book? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:00:00 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: White Sea Screenplay >From: "Capitalism Blows" >Subject: Fwd: [YouBetcha] White Sea Screenplay. [snip quote about Coens' To The White Sea script] Whoa, waitaminute here. This doesn't happen to refer to *James Dickey's novel* _To The White Sea_, does it? Wow, to imagine the Coens making a film out of one of my favorite author's books makes my mind go all wiggy. Come to think of it, who better to do [another] adaption of _Deliverance_? Imagine John Goodman as Chubby in the infamous "Now let's you just drop them pants" scene (except he'd have to be screaming and on fire, of course). Heh. _________________________________________________________ Gene Hopsetter, Jr. Phone: 210.805.8607 Atension,Inc. Fax: 210.805.8517 1920 Nacogdoches, Ste. 202 San Antonio, TX 78209 - --------------------------------------------------------- empowered.internet.solutions _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:13:11 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! and Old 97 On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Christopher Gross wrote: > Someone noticed me! I feel validated. Sorry I forgot your name. > BTW, when you say that the extra-length CD version of Element of Light is > "unlistenable," do you just mean "unlistenable in its entirety"? Or do > the extra tracks sort of spoil the mood for you? Difficult. Definitely the first and probably the second. And as RH says, the 'bonus' tracks tend to be weaker than the album tracks (though I do like 'The leopard'). As a person brought up on LPs, I rarely played both sides back to back, so I suppose my attention span became limited to 20-minute chunks. Do other people regularly listen to a whole 22-track CD straight out, or do they always put it in a changer? - - Mike Godwin PS I found the words of 'Wreck of the Old 97' at http://www.roughstock.com/cowpie/cowpie-songs/c/cash_johnny/wreck_of_old_97.crd 97 is clearly the number of an old engine which the unlucky driver gets allocated when the more modern No. 38 is unavailable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 11:19:05 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: various heresies Eb kvetches, >Well, at least misspelling "Coen" isn't as bad as misspelling "Shaun >Cassidy." OK, ok, I admit, I am a terrible speller. I won't even claim that I just forget or anything; I simply don't care. Sean Cassidy, the Cohen Brothers - -- they all *sound* the same in my head when I read them, see. . . . >But...OLIVER STONE???? What? Vineland, baby, Vineland! It's an Oliver Stone movie waiting to happen! Three generations of liberals struggling against the American Evil Empire, the struggle subverting both sides to the point where good guys and bad guys are virtually indistinguishable; filled with the constant hum of pop-culture references -- rock music, TV, movies, bands; punctuated by moments of total surrealism; and the whole thing saturated by an atmosphere of paranoia and consipracy! It would make a *great* Stone film. And I love Oliver Stone by the way. He is a great *American* filmmaker, illuminating the last half of this century by turning it into myth. His he accurate? No -- leave that to the makers of documentaries. What Stone does is greater than that; he finds the inner, mythic *truths* to some of the figures and events we have nearly canonized, and he exploits them brilliantly -- JFK, Nixon, Jim Morrison, the modern archetypes of the media, serial killers, badland towns, Viet Nam. . . . this is *very* similar to what Pynchon does, especially in Vineland. >Hey, how about the man who directed Boogie Nights? Can't recall his name. >And, um, that "2001" dude who recently died would've done a nice job, too. That was Stanly Kubrik, I believe. . . . >Speaking of films, I saw a *hilariously* entertaining movie a couple of >nights ago: "Dr. Sardonicus." Uh-oh, here comes Terry! ;-) > Basically, it boiled down to simply a >MASSAGE, and putting a warm towel on the paralyzed area for "30 seconds -- >no more, no less." Yeah, right -- I'm sure we can all imagine what horror >would befall a patient who had a warm compress on an area for 29 or 31 >seconds, instead! Ha ha . . . LOL. I love this movie, and that has always struck me, too! >Pac Man on ya, You mean OFFICIALLY Pac Man on ya, - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The people asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven." --Psalms 105:40 (Also see Exodus 16:13 and Numbers 11:31-34 for more starry wisdom) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:21:34 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! Michael R Godwin wrote: > Well, I've only got 40-minute LPs of these two records - I presume that > the CDs have extra tracks. I know that the EoL CD exists in two forms, one > of which has a few more tracks than the LP, and the other of which adds > outtakes too, so that the 'long' CD has twice as many tracks as the LP. > The 'long' CD is unlistenable, whereas the LP is one of the all-time great > records. Taken in conjuction with RH's parallel issues of LPs for the last > couple of releases, I guess that this 40 minutes business is part of a > sort of one-man 'back to LPs' campaign by RH. On "IODOT" the extra songs do make it too long. So when I first got the CD I programmed the running order in that of the original LP, and digested it that way. What they should have done on the original CD issue is to stick the extra songs on the end, not in the middle. And the bonus Ryko tracks I probably have listened to once! I mean, it seems pointless to put demos of songs which essentially sound like demos in their "finished" form. If *I* was in charge I would have put something like a live rawk-out-band-version of "It Sounds Great When You're Dead" or some demos of unreleased songs like "Demons And Fiends". Conversely, I think the CD of "EOL" flows really well. "Tell Me About Your Drugs" is a good rockin' ending, better than "Lady Waters" IMO. And "The Black Crow Knows", "Crawling" and "The Leopard" all fit the mood of the album very well. Also, the Ryko bonus tracks offer some interesting stuff that contrasts the finished versions. The version of "Raymond Chandler" is one of my favorites. Personally, I never listen to the bonus tracks as part of the overall album. They are really like liner notes, offering more insight into the finished work. "Jewels For Sophia" is going to be released on my birthday! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:25:35 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: Eat The Scoop! and Old 97 Thus spake Mr. Godwin: Do other people regularly listen to a whole 22-track CD straight out, or do they always put it in a changer? At work here I'll put on a disc, but so often it just becomes background noise than something I actively listen to. A whole 20+ tracks can go by and it's only the jolt of 4+ seconds of silence that tells me the thing has ended. - -f. np: All 13 tracks of Saint Etienne's "Continental" (brilliant Japan-only release) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:24:39 -0500 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! and Old 97 Michael R Godwin wrote: > I suppose my attention span became limited to 20-minute chunks. Do other > people regularly listen to a whole 22-track CD straight out, or do they > always put it in a changer? Oh Lodi, how I pine for those misty days of old! Back when I could slip on a rekkid, no matter how long, and bliss out supremely to the muse-ic. Just be there, supine, headphones or no, and really PAY ATTENTION to each and every nuance. . But then, somewhere between 25 and 30...I lost it. Just damn fucking(tm) lost it. It's gone. Where once the airy silence was like an empty chalice waiting to be filled with melodic wine from long red bottles, now it's more like one of those Solo plastic cups that's been sitting on at your work station for days...there's bits of dried coke, water, crusts of yesterday's sandwich...you pour in the red wine, but can't help noticing all the flecks floating in it, and as your about to sip, the phone rings, your wife yells "Kevin? Supper's READY!", your 3 year old daughter says "Daddy, come pway wif me", you gaze out the window and realize you should have mowed the back yard last weekend, you see the cat clawing a hole through the patio screen trying to get in to get its food, the TV downstairs is blaring out old Doug episodes, the front door keeps slamming open, closed, open, closed, open... Um...these days, no. I don't listen to albums all in one take. Usually just three or four tracks at a time. There's too many other wonderful things to experience out there in the world! Right? Mike Runion-fish ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:27:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: various heresies Quail: >Vineland, baby, Vineland! It's an Oliver Stone movie waiting to happen! > >And I love Oliver Stone by the way. He is a great *American* filmmaker, >illuminating the last half of this century by turning it into myth. His >he accurate? No -- leave that to the makers of documentaries. What Stone >does is greater than that; he finds the inner, mythic *truths* to some of >the figures and events we have nearly canonized, and he exploits them >brilliantly. Please stop. You're making me nauseous. Know what your problem is? You're just a sucker for an "epic." In film, in music, in books. ;P >>Speaking of films, I saw a *hilariously* entertaining movie a couple of >>nights ago: "Dr. Sardonicus." > >Uh-oh, here comes Terry! ;-) You know, "dreams" really didn't play a part in the film at all. I wouldn't know where the album title came from. Eb, who is infuriated by Oliver Stone more than any other working filmmaker, even probably Adrian Lyne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:44 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Eat The Scoop! Aaron: >> 5) Songs Robyn says are certain to be on the album: "Jewels for Sophia," >> "Dark Princess," "Viva Seatac," "The Cheese is Alone" (I *think* that was >> the title) > >if this is "Cheese Alarm" (which it might not be), i'll be pretty happy to >see it released. was "Nietzche's Way" the one other he mentioned, by any >chance? He definitely didn't say "Nietzche's Way." "Cheese Alarm"? Hmmm. I really can't be sure that's what he said. It's a logical conclusion, I suppose...it seems unlikely that he would write two concurrent songs with such similar titles, doesn't it? So yeah, it was probably "Cheese Alarm." My brain probably made some errant cognitive jump into thinking about "The Farmer in the Dell." Or perhaps HIS brain made that jump and gave me the wrong title? After all, he was the one who was drinking.... MG: >The 'long' CD is unlistenable Huh...I think Element of Light has one of the very best sets of bonus tracks, out of the Rhino series. I'm more perturbed by CDs like Eye and I Often Dream of Trains, where the bonus tracks are just redundant demos that hardly sound any different from the finished product. >> 6) Robyn was too young to see Syd Barrett with Pink Floyd, but he did see >> the Doors and Jimi Hendrix during their later days, both at the Isle of >> Wight. > >That doesn't necessarily mean that he never saw a Syd performance >(although it very probably does). I doubt he did. Seems like Robyn would've mentioned it, if he had. I expressed surprise that he had seen Hendrix and the Doors but not Syd's Floyd, and he said something like, "Well, you know, Syd was pretty much through performing live by 1967 or 1968." Given the topic of conversation, it would've been peculiar if he had seen Syd live but didn't mention it. Incidentally, he really perked up when I asked him if he had ever seen Beefheart live. :) >When did you say >the 5-CD Beefheart out-takes package with notes by John French was due? Aw, crap. I forget the exact date, at the moment. Check one of the Beefheart websites. Last night, Rick was saying May, however. There are already promotional samplers available, but unfortunately, I didn't request one in time and they ran out. :( >> 8) Robyn spent a bewildering amount of time asking Rhett about his band's >> name. > >Aha, you really don't know this! It's from a song called 'The wreck of the >old 97' which used to be sung by Johnny Cash IIRC. I don't know if he >wrote it - it sounds like a folk song. Oh, that's right. Yeah, they discussed this. >I did see the Syd-era Floyd six times Woooooow. Incidentally, one of the most interesting things to me about last night was how he WASN'T "surreal," when having a normal conversation. He easily could've been "surreal" when I asked him for a message for this list, and he easily could've been "surreal" when I asked him about which "swapped" American artist tours the UK when he's over here. In both cases, he let the opportunity pass. I don't know whether this makes me relieved that he doesn't always hide behind that artifice, or *frustrated* that he can't stop hiding behind it onstage. Probably both. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:00:44 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: various heresies >>>Speaking of films, I saw a *hilariously* entertaining movie a couple of >>>nights ago: "Dr. Sardonicus." >>Uh-oh, here comes Terry! ;-) >You know, "dreams" really didn't play a part in the film at all. I wouldn't >know where the album title came from. Not surprising, because the title of the film is actually "Mr. Sardonicus." It's an extremely loose remake of a 1920's European silent film called "The Man Who Laughs," which IIRC starred the immortal Conrad Veidt as the guy with the hideously distorted grin... And I'm extremely unsure about this but that film in turn might have been loosely based on a story by Flaubert. FYI: William Castle made a bunch of cool movies in the late 50's/early 60's like "The Tingler", "Zotz!", etc. But his greatest talent was pure showmanship. For "The Tingler" he actually wired about a dozen movie theaters with electro-shock devices in the seats to increase the "horrific" effect. You just don't see that sort of thing these days, except for maybe John Waters (an avowed Castle-head). People are too afraid of getting sued, I guess. Anyway... thanks, Eb, for the Robyn info. Hopefully Warners will do at least something to generate a buzz about the new album... John H. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #119 *******************************