From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #102 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 08 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) ["JH3" ] Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) [Ben ] Re: Summer Teeth ["D B" ] Re: Summer Teeth [MARKEEFE@aol.com] new albums [Joel Mullins ] Re: Phrogk [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Howard Stern is Hulk Hogan's Evil Twin, sorta [Ben ] Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) [Ben ] RE: thought you guys might find this funny [Chris ] Re: the dream po-lice [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: another week in feg [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Phrogk [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) [GSS ] Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) [GSS Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) >To go from an analog tape (unless it's a master) to digital is a no-no, >because it leaves all knowledge of generations up in the air. In some >countries they chop your thumbs off if you do it! Which countries? Sure, Afghanistan, but they'll chop your thumbs off for sneezing into the wrong-colored hanky. I mean, I don't want to make a big deal about it, but this strikes me being a bit silly. Who cares what you dub something onto, esp. if the recipient prefers it that way? At least you'd be preventing any *further* generational loss by moving it to a digital medium. Sure, it would be nice if people made others aware of the fact that their digital copies were from analog sources, but it would be even nicer if people didn't hit you over the head with a baseball bat, pour gasoline all over you, and threaten to light you up like a roman candle unless you dance around in circles screaming "I like nachos, bay-bee" in a high-pitched falsetto. But we're not likely to see that sort of thing end anytime soon, are we? At least not here in Afghanistan, anyway. John "Gotta Love That Taliban" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:50:06 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) John writes: >I mean, I don't want to make a big deal about it, but this strikes me being >a bit silly. Who cares what you dub something onto, esp. if the recipient >prefers it that way? At least you'd be preventing any *further* >generational loss by moving it to a digital medium. Sure, it would >be nice if people made others aware of the fact that their digital >copies were from analog sources, but it would be even nicer if >people didn't hit you over the head with a baseball bat, pour >gasoline all over you, and threaten to light you up like a roman >candle unless you dance around in circles screaming "I like >nachos, bay-bee" in a high-pitched falsetto. But we're not >likely to see that sort of thing end anytime soon, are we? >At least not here in Afghanistan, anyway. I think John hit on a very important point--these days, with the advent of DAT and the more affordable stepchild, minidisc, it allows people to preserve the recordings that they have. That's why I got minidisc (still working on DAT, but would love to get a great deal on a portable walkman and home deck, if anyone knows where to get them at discount on the net, please let me know via private e-mail); to transfer all of my analog concerts to digital format, thus preserving them for "generations" (sorry for the bad pun) to come. Whenever I do a trade, the source comes from minidisc. I also have discovered that you can utilize simple techniques in your own home to enhance the transferring process and actually do a little home-brew remastering as you clone your stuff. Just get a mixing board and equalizer and play with them, you'd be amazed how you can improve your analog tapes with very little financial investment. Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:48:04 -0600 From: GSS Subject: Howard Stern is Hulk Hogan's Evil Twin, sorta Greetings, >Actually Stern doesn't say anything he wants. If you listen to his Howard Stern; right up there with the WWF on my list, except that professional wrestling is much funnier. I had this girl-thingy a while back who used to make me sit through that Stern stuff on E. After a whole year of it, the only thing that made me laugh was Jackie Puppet. By the way, what is wrong with hitting someone over the head with a baseball bat, covering them with gasoline, and then threatening to light them up like a roman candle unless they danced around in circles screaming "I like nachos, bay-bee" in a high-pitched falsetto??? Oooh yeah, I remember. We would get in trouble for not first slipping five or six old Dunlaps over their head. Geez, why do I always have to remind you guys. Q.What do you get when you mix Propecia and Viagra? A.Don King Regards, Gregory S. Shell Capitalist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:44:51 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) Brett Cooper wrote: > John writes: > >I mean, I don't want to make a big deal about it, but this strikes me being > >a bit silly. Who cares what you dub something onto, esp. if the recipient > >prefers it that way? At least you'd be preventing any *further* > >generational loss by moving it to a digital medium. The problem is that people trading in the digital medium often assume that the lineage of what they are trading is all digital. So, let's say you recieve a minidisc in a trade, pop it in and the tape hiss is so bad it sounds like a pit of vipers. It turns out the lineage is DAT master>analog 1>analog 2>analog 3> analog 4> analog 5> minidisc> minidisc> your minidisc. (Not that you'd ever know the specifics because these things get forgotten down the line.) You're pissed because you wasted money on a Minidisc when you might as well have used a cassette. If the recipient is fully aware of this, no problem. Unfortunately this often isn't the case. So you get these "digital" copies floating around thathave effectively been "de-digitalized" generations ago. If people made it a common practice of not going from digital to analog, the same way it's understood you use new tapes, not record over a tape of "Purple Rain" that has been sitting in your glove compartment since 1987, this whole thing would be avoided. It's just *inevitable* somebody is going to put a "de-degitialzed" recording on their list and call it a true digital recording. Like, I have a CD-R that was made from an analog tape. It's of b-sides, theoretically all CD-R copies of CD's should sound identical to the original. Well my CD-R sure as hell doesn't sound like the original b-sides. It sounds like a tape, because at one time the lineage droped into the analog realm. So, I don't list it as a "CD-R of unknown generation", that could imply it's a CD-R of purely digital lineage. I list it as an analog of unknown generation. The only advantage to having it on CD-R is that I can skip tracks, program, etc. But I'd never copy it onto another CD-R without making it *explicit* that this is not a true digital recording. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:08:20 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Summer Teeth Hey, has anyone heard the new Wilco album yet? I just heard a few clips and it sounded pretty good. But it is pretty hard to tell much from just hearing a 30 second clip of a song. Eb, I know you've probably heard it. What's the consensus? I want to know if I should buy it. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:31:00 PST From: "D B" Subject: Re: Summer Teeth >From: Joel Mullins >Reply-To: Joel Mullins >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Summer Teeth >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:08:20 -0800 > >Hey, has anyone heard the new Wilco album yet? I just heard a few clips >and it sounded pretty good. But it is pretty hard to tell much from >just hearing a 30 second clip of a song. Eb, I know you've probably >heard it. What's the consensus? I want to know if I should buy it. > >Later >Joel Big disappointmnent, on my end... After Mermaid Avenue and Being There, no reason to buy it, that I can think of... And what's with that gawdawful cover "art"? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:08:31 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer Teeth In a message dated 99-03-16 20:45:46 EST, you write: << Big disappointmnent, on my end... After Mermaid Avenue and Being There, no reason to buy it, that I can think of... And what's with that gawdawful cover "art"? >> Okay, yeah, the cover art is *miserably* uninspired, but I totally disagree that there's no reason to buy it. It's great! And it really doesn't sound like their old stuff or *so* much like their contributions to "Mermaid Ave." so as to make it redundant (although there is one song that starts off a lot like "Hoodoo Voodoo). Man, does *anybody* else like this album?! - ------Michael K., championing "Summer Teeth" to the bitter end. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:14:41 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: new albums Hey, has anyone heard any good albums lately? It's already March, and I haven't heard about many new albums. I've quite a lot about the new XTC, but any other recommendations would be very appreciated. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Phrogk Can someone with a better grasp of the subjunctive tell me whether or not Bob Dylan really meant "she acts like we never _had_ met" on "I Don't Believe You"? & Eb sez: >>I'd suggest checking out Moby Grape and the Electric Prunes >>(technically from Washington, but West Coast is West Coast) >Uh-huh...anything "West Coast" from the '60s is automatically >good, right? Of course not. If it were, I would have recommended Quicksilver Messenger Service too. >>Upon further observation, it seems that there's more >>60's-influenced material from the 70s and 80s in the collection >>than there is actual 60s material. >Right. Why listen to the original stuff, when you can listen to >the backward-looking tribute bands instead? If I've got a good album in a style that I like, why should I care if it was made by someone in 1965 looking forwards or 1985 looking backwards? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:07:47 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Howard Stern is Hulk Hogan's Evil Twin, sorta Wow, I didn't know Larry King was on the list!!! GSS wrote: > Greetings, > > >Actually Stern doesn't say anything he wants. If you listen to his > > Howard Stern; right up there with the WWF on my list, except that > professional wrestling is much funnier. I had this girl-thingy a while > back who used to make me sit through that Stern stuff on E. After a > whole year of it, the only thing that made me laugh was Jackie Puppet. > > By the way, what is wrong with hitting someone over the head with a > baseball bat, covering them with gasoline, and then threatening to > light them up like a roman candle unless they danced around in circles > screaming "I like nachos, bay-bee" in a high-pitched falsetto??? > > Oooh yeah, I remember. We would get in trouble for not first slipping > five or six old Dunlaps over their head. Geez, why do I always have to > remind you guys. > > Q.What do you get when you mix Propecia and Viagra? > A.Don King > > Regards, > Gregory S. Shell > Capitalist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:37:28 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) MC 900 Ft Ben rapped: >The problem is that people trading in the digital medium often assume that the >lineage of what they are trading is all digital. the problem is that digital traders often have their heads up their asses. ;) (sometimes sideways, but that's a different thread.) >So, let's say you recieve a >minidisc in a trade, pop it in and the tape hiss is so bad it sounds like a pit >of vipers. ...or a pit of souls. >It's just *inevitable* somebody is going to put a "de-degitialzed" >recording on their list and call it a true digital recording. i understand your objections, but i have to side with bruce and john on this one. nearly all of the recordings i've made are analog. in the interest of preserving the integrity of the best ones, i've *introduced a generation myself* by using a copy of the master for a source. if i had a minidisc or dat earlier, i would have transferred these recordings to that first (or, if i had gotten the equipment early enough, just recorded it that way in the first place, natch). preservation of the master has to take precedence over questionable labelling by clueless traders. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:28:29 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: versus, etc. also sprach joel: >We drove to Liberty Lunch after >dinner and drank a beer while waiting for the first band, Versus. They >were really fucking loud! They had a few songs that I really liked. I >definitely want to hear a CD. Anyone heard one? i'm very partial to versus' early singles, "insomnia" (the first one) in particular is magnificent. the singles are hard to come by these days, but teen beat fortunately released a collection of their early stuff called _dead leaves_ which you probably can find still. since then, i've never been as enthused about their albums, which never seem to stick or, as aaron pointed out, stick out. _secret swingers_ included. also sprach dolph: >Versus has never impressed me that much. However, Fontaine (the bass player >/ singer) has a side project called Containe which I adore! It's her plus >Connie Lovatt from a really obscure band called The Pacific Ocean. saw them once and i'm pretty sure ed baluyut (versus' drummer) played with them. that night anyways. they were pretty loud but then it was maxwell's which was almost always pretty loud. good show though. they reminded me of difference engine (another obscure band, this time from ithaca, who put out a great album called _breadwinner_ a while back). woj n.p. cindy lee berryhill -- living room 16 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:05:12 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) cinders blue wrote: > MC 900 Ft Ben rapped: > > >The problem is that people trading in the digital medium often assume that > the > >lineage of what they are trading is all digital. > > the problem is that digital traders often have their heads up their asses. > ;) (sometimes sideways, but that's a different thread.) > Since I don't trade digital mediums I have no comment on this. ;) > i understand your objections, but i have to side with bruce and john on > this one. nearly all of the recordings i've made are analog. in the > interest of preserving the integrity of the best ones, i've *introduced a > generation myself* by using a copy of the master for a source. if i had a > minidisc or dat earlier, i would have transferred these recordings to that > first (or, if i had gotten the equipment early enough, just recorded it > that way in the first place, natch). preservation of the master has to take > precedence over questionable labelling by clueless traders. > > woj If the master is analog, sure. Obviously there's zillions of masters from the pre-digital age that have to be transferred to a digital medium lest they turn to dust, not to mention that many people still record shows on analog equipment. My only beef is with traders who go digital>analog>digital... it just seems pointless. I feel if this is done, then traders have an obligation to properly label it as such, or they shall be banished to the neutral zone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:14:59 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Phrogk >>Uh-huh...anything "West Coast" from the '60s is automatically >>good, right? >Of course not. If it were, I would have recommended Quicksilver Messenger >Service too. Hey, they weren't that bad before they got that awful singer. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Subject: RE: thought you guys might find this funny From: lj lindhurst >One of the Web sites I work on features "Kidstuff" listings for Brooklyn. >These are some of the listings for March: >Staten Island Zoo Revue, children meet Poison Dart Frogs. 0 p.m. Maybe I'm just really over tired, but this is making me hysterical. Poison Dart Frogs indeed! hehehehe..... How could anyone let their poor defenseless children meet the deadly tribe of Poison Dart Frogs?! Is the FCC only concerned about what our children may hear, and not the fact that some damn Poison Dart Frogs may rip our children limb from limb?!! Oh, the humanity!!!! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:49:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: the dream po-lice >>>>> "Eddie" == Capitalism Blows writes: Eddie> there's plenty enough Eddie> room to throw up a low-power station without stepping on Eddie> any toes. You lucky, lucky sods. In the UK, you can establish a microwave link without any planning permission or registration. If someone builds something to block that link, it's the builder's fault. To be living in a less-crowded country... - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:45:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) >>>>> "Ben" == Ben writes: Ben> To go from analog to digital violates all taping Ben> etiquette. In other words, digital is a "no-gen" medium, the Ben> master and the 1 zillionth copy down the line are exact Ben> clones of each other Isn't Minidisc a lossy format, using MPEG 1.0 Level 1 compression? Surely you lose part of the signal by putting it on MD? - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:30:32 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: the dream po-lice > Eddie> there's plenty enough > Eddie> room to throw up a low-power station without stepping on > Eddie> any toes. Stewart writes: >You lucky, lucky sods. In the UK, you can establish a microwave link >without any planning permission or registration. If someone builds >something to block that link, it's the builder's fault. And, last time that I heard, Ireland has virtually no regulation when it comes to low-power broadcasting. Does anyone know if Radio Caroline is still up and running? Brett ************************************************************** Cooper Collections P.O. Box 876462 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 (907) 376-4520 BC-Radio@corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/~no6pp/Cooper_Collections.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:44:50 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: christine collister ( minor robyn content ). The great god sed >Christine Collister in this >week's posts. I used to go and see Clive Gregson and Christine Collister >quite frequently, but I don't know what she's been doing since they split For folk and world music fegs eyes only , shes playing adelaide this week, doing an aussie tour solo, I'll be recording the gig if anyone wants a copy. also recorded Waterson carthy and eliza carthy last week, music out of this world, I've been wearing my smock and straw hat his week whilst whistling the "Ragggle taggle Gypsies Oh ", what a week ! . More shows I'll tape in the near future or have taped in the recent past. DR John and Keb Mo coming up in april .Lots of Womad stuff,which incidently was fucking great. got great tapes of Baaba Maal , Liam O'Flynn,Jackie Leven, Trilok Gurto and a lot of other unfashionable stuff. I should also have a dat sbd copy of the Robyn Hitchcock Adelaide big star show soon, swopping it for the Waterson Carthy as the dat sbd has a major flaw in it . . contact me for more details if you want copies.. feg x. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:50:09 +0930 From: dlang Subject: New url for mudfest g'day folks, Most of my webpages now have a new url. This concerns the Grateful dead in Egypt pages ( with 7 new photos), Australian Deadheads ( upgraded links ) , Fairport Convention in Australia ,Widespread panic in Australia, Richard Thompson in Australia and Captain Beefheart ( which has a totally new photogallery with over 40 pics of much better quality and compression ). My Robyn Hitchcock website - "The Abandoned Brain" can also be accessed via the new url as can the Womadelaide festival pages ( the Womad site will be upgraded soon with this years and last years news and pics.). the new url for these sites is http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html The British rock festivals site on Bickershaw and the Bath festivals will be located elsewhere and is now setup in its new home , it can be accessed via the new site or at http://freeweb.digiweb.com/music/mudfest/index.html Sorry for the hassle as I know some people had just linked into my pages, but the isp on which I had almost unlimited free server space ceased to exist ,with no prior warning and I have had to relocate almost 15 megs of work elsewhere. The good news is that the download times for most of these pages should be halved, as I have recompressed the images . let me know if you have any problems accessing the site or with any of the pages. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:07:40 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: another week in feg On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Capuchin wrote: > "He's a germ-free adolescent > Cleanliness is his obsession > Cleans his teeth ten times a day > Run away, run away, run away the SR way" > > What the hell does that last line mean? Further to John Halewood's response, those of you who spend a lot of time watching documentaries about the introduction of commercial TV in the UK (1954 +- 1 yr) will remember that the first ever UK TV advertisment was for Gibbs SR toothpaste. "Tingling fresh with Gibbs SR" IIRC. They might well have had a slogan along the lines of 'brush away the SR way'. (could easily be 'scrub', though) - - Mike Godwin PS Marie of X-Ray Spex used to be a bargirl in Bath - she did a singing duo with my friend Yvonne d'Cruz, then went off and became famous overnight. No idea how she did it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:12:02 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Phrogk > Eb sez: > >>I'd suggest checking out Moby Grape and the Electric Prunes > >>(technically from Washington, but West Coast is West Coast) There is a good Prunes page at: http://members.tripod.com/~shadwell/indexnf.html The guy in charge of it established that the Prunes gig that I saw at Bath Pavilion was on the 4th December 1967. I was only 19 and I'll be 51 this month! "This chemical reaction isn't easy to define You drive me to distraction, you disturb my peace of mind" - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:23:09 -0600 From: GSS Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer wrote: > Isn't Minidisc a lossy format, using MPEG 1.0 Level 1 compression? > Surely you lose part of the signal by putting it on MD? Sony is now using ATRAC 4.5, and 5.0 is on the way. Even the new MDS-JE520, Sony's low-end MD recorder/player uses v4.5. It is head and shoulders above any of the MPEGs. I have an MDS-JE510, it uses ATRAC 4.0, and have run a blind test using a DAT and the 510 against a friend who swore he could always tell the two apart. He failed miserably, and then bought an MDS-JE520. Sharp also has their own compression scheme, but I have heard it is not quite as good as Sony's, though I have not listened to a Sharp machine and cannot make the judgment based on experience. I have not been keeping a tight eye on the MD race, so Sharp could be ahead of Sony by now. There is a slight loss because of the compression, and in the first few ATRAC versions the loss was apparent, but it is now extremely minimal. For anyone who is considering an MD unit, you have my recommendations, whatever that is worth. The Sony MDS-JE520 is going for about $260.00 US. Regards, Gregory S. Shell MD User ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:14:28 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) I think the big question for anyone thinking of making the jump from analog to digital is which of these mediums is going to be the next 8-track? DAT, CD-R, and Minidisc are all pretty popular among tape trading weenies, but which is going to make the jump into the mainstream? Whatever medium establishes itself over analog tapes in the mainstream will probably be the only one to survive, because it will dominate like 99.9% of the market. Who will have a few thousand dollars of junk when this happens, the DAT, CD-R, or Minidisc owners??? Somebody's gotta lose... GSS wrote: > Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer wrote: > > > Isn't Minidisc a lossy format, using MPEG 1.0 Level 1 compression? > > Surely you lose part of the signal by putting it on MD? > > Sony is now using ATRAC 4.5, and 5.0 is on the way. Even the new > MDS-JE520, Sony's low-end MD recorder/player uses v4.5. It is head and > shoulders above any of the MPEGs. I have an MDS-JE510, it uses ATRAC > 4.0, and have run a blind test using a DAT and the 510 against a friend > who swore he could always tell the two apart. He failed miserably, and > then bought an MDS-JE520. Sharp also has their own compression scheme, > but I have heard it is not quite as good as Sony's, though I have not > listened to a Sharp machine and cannot make the judgment based on > experience. > > I have not been keeping a tight eye on the MD race, so Sharp could be > ahead of Sony by now. > > There is a slight loss because of the compression, and in the first few > ATRAC versions the loss was apparent, but it is now extremely minimal. > > For anyone who is considering an MD unit, you have my recommendations, > whatever that is worth. The Sony MDS-JE520 is going for about $260.00 > US. > > Regards, > Gregory S. Shell > MD User ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:18:02 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: touch the pu-pu-puppet head if anyone's innerested, i've placed some pictures (including a few of disneyland employees, and it occurs to me that the captain eo dude could well be our very own brother eb!) of people posing with a plastic goat at: . more to come in the not too distant future, including some (in my opinion) great shots of robyn at bumbershoot '97. i will notify you when that happens. p.s. saw chris chandler last night (great!) opener andras jones' last song was called Starfucker. i shit you not. used my brand-spankin' core-sound mics which bayard recommended to me, and those fuckers are the god damned business! still a touch of hiss audible through the headphones, but i'm guessing this is going to be unavoidable with analog. http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:41:57 -0600 From: GSS Subject: Re: Minidisc trading (100% tape hoarding weenieism) Greetings, > Who will have a few thousand dollars of junk when this happens, the > DAT, CD-R, or Minidisc owners??? Somebody's gotta lose... - -DATs are cool, but the cheapest portable or deck from Sony runs about $600.00US. - -CD-R is even better, but you gotta be careful were you touch 'em. They are non-linear and can be played in so many different spinners. Hell, Philips has a dual audio CD-R that is going for $599.00. It makes copies and records from analog, digital optical and coaxial. Best all around that I have seen and if I had a spare 650 dollars, I might go to the music store and buy one. - -MDs are the best of both. Sure the quality a tiny bit below DAT or CD-R, but the DAT is not getting any better. They are getting a little cheaper, but geez $600.00 is a lot of money for some of us, and a low-end Minidisc player/recorder running ATRAC 4.5 for $260 or less is a good deal, and it is improving all the time. You could stick with analog tape decks, but MD is now superior in all aspects as far as I am concerned. The best tape deck, from Yamaha or whoever costs a whole lot more, is linear and does not sound as good. Something else might come along, but I know this: it will be digital, it will be non-linear, it will be RW and the media will be smaller than DAT or CD, kinda like the Minidisc or something. Regards, Gregory S. Shell MD User ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #102 *******************************