From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #93 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 08 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... [Christopher ] Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... [MARKEEFE@aol] alt.music.pink-floyd [Eb ] Prog Question... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] 100% Suede 0% cotton [Ben ] Re: Welcome to the machine [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... [Ben ] Re: 100% Suede 0% cotton [Eb ] Re: Prog Question... [Tom Clark ] Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... ["Jason R. Th] More on the McCabe's MP3's [Tom Clark ] Re: 50% Floyd 50% "puhleeze" [Ben ] Re: Floyd/Kubrick [Ben ] Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... [Christopher ] Elf Power! Olivia Tremor Control! DC Fegs on a rhythm-driven rampage! [B] defending phish [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Prog Question... [Scary Mary ] Phrogck [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Ployed Finks, and the end of the golden weather [digja611@student.otago.a] Blurrrrrrrr [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Tull and Mattes ["she.rex" ] 'celeb' death [hal brandt ] Re: Phrogck [normal@grove.ufl.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: > >No, that's not true at all, actually. If you look at alt.music.pink-floyd, > >ALL the Floyd albums get discussed at some time or other, amidst the > >staggering onslaught of "Hey, I'm stoned right now -- here's my cutesy > >one-line response to your cutesy one-line response!" posts. In particular, > >Syd Barrett talk is QUITE common. > > hang on a second-- that sounds like a description of THIS list! > > oh no, did I just give a cutesy one-line response? (duh, I guess this > makes it a cutesy two line response...)(oh, now the line wrapped and I'm so > confused!!) Uh-oh! You'd better take another hit, that'll make it better. Me, I'm going out to get some cookies.... - --Chris np: John Williams, _Reefer Madness Soundtrack_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:27:01 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... In a message dated 99-03-11 16:56:55 EST, you write: << No, I also discussed the lack of show-off virtuosity in Pink Floyd's music, the long-haired album-rock sound, the more common ground with the FM mainstream over other prog bands...but yes, I think the general appeal to "stoners" rather than "intellectuals" says something significant about the qualitative difference between Floyd and prog. >> Well, as someone who *really* likes mid-70's Floyd (DSotM thru Animals and parts of "The Wall"), I guess I'd like to reframe the sentiment of that last sentence. Maybe Pink Floyd appeals to a listener in a more visceral fashion, whereas a lot of stuff more narrowly definable as "prog" (Yes, Genesis, ELP) appeals more to one's intellectual curiosity (yeah, okay, I mean "chord counting" :-)). I guess I generally listen to music for an emotional connection, rather than an intellectual one -- or, ideally, a mixture of the two -- so Floyd has had greater staying power for me over the years than, say, Yes, who I liked a lot back in high school, but not so much anymore. Not to say that PF are highly intellectual, but, you know, their lyrics are intelligent enough. - ------Michael K. - so, am I the only one who's been losing "valuable" work hours each day by trying to keep up with Fegmaniax? Yowza! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:39:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: alt.music.pink-floyd The top 10 threads in alt.music.pink-floyd right now: 10. "Have I been killfiled?" 9. "New Debate. I think." 8. "Warning! Faggot Flamers On The Loose!" 7. "Hey Pi Boy" 6. "Hey Nate" 5. "A MESSAGE TO DUMB CUNTS LIKE NATE AND PI BOY" 4. "PNIK FOYLD TO PLAY The BERMUDA TRIANGLE?" 3. "HOW DID ALL THESE PEOPLE GET INTO MY ROOM?" 2. "ARRRRRRRRRRRGH" 1. "Keep Toking" I don't make this stuff up...I just report it. Eb, who doesn't even subscribe to ampf anymore (not enough D# rantings!) but checked the newsgroup again, especially for you Fgz ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:51:06 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Prog Question... Who is out there doing cool new proggy stuff nowadays? I've been out of proggage for a while and this talk is starting to make me yearn for something new, and way different. You know, not just 5 chords, a mellotron, a bunch of notes that go by fast, in a half-hour song about SpaceDruids from Stonehenge (not that there's anything wrong with that.) Thanks, - -Chad Rapunzel BTW, a f(r)iend of mine played some of a Spock's Beard CD for me. I reeeeaaallly liked it. I found out later that I used to know one of the brothers in it- he borrowed my guitar (he's a lot like Belew, with lots of his own style) for a gig when he was in a, um, er, different band. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:02:56 -0500 From: Ben Subject: 100% Suede 0% cotton > >Eb, I'd be interested in your thoughts of the new Suede and Catatonia > >albums when you get to hear them. > > >I would venture to guess that he won't like Suede for the same reasons > >he doesn't go overmuch for Pulp. 'Neo-Bowie posturing', I believe he > >calls it. ;) > > Yeah, that's the ticket. I manage to dismiss a LOT of new UK bands that > way. Bowie, good. His influence in the '90s, bad (usually). > > I've heard a few Suede albums -- NOT the ever-heralded debut, however. None > of them really grabbed me, but I will admit that I haven't had the stomach > to put Sci-Fi Lullabies up for sale yet -- there were a few pretty songs on > there, and I want to give it another listen someday. But still, it's all > one schtick, and too contrived and too monotonous for me to take seriously. Yes, Suede basically has one schtick, but that's why I love 'em. Like, if the Buzzcocks or Motorhead didn't release the same album over and over, I'd lose my faith in them. ;) I've heard the new Suede single called "Electronic" and, as you'd guess, it sounds like most of "Coming Up" and I think it's pretty good. I would be interested in what Eb thought of "Dog Man Star" - just from the point of craftsmanship (i.e. the strings & horns man, THE STRINGS & HORNS!!!) I though it was great. And they did, for the most part, momentarily turn away from the subject matter of the first album. Ok, so it made no sense most of the time, but they tried. Also, has anyone else noticed most Suede fans are 14? Brett is so dreamy.... Of course in 1972 weren't most Bowie fans 14 too? Zing!!! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:00:30 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome to the machine In a message dated 99-03-11 17:31:21 EST, you write: << How did others get into the mighty Floyd? >> I think my mom got "Dark Side" when it first came out, so I've been listening to Pink Floyd since I was about 4. But I never cared much for "The Wall," so I think I kind of dismissed them in junior high. Then, around college-time, while working at my first record store, my boss there was really into "Wish You Were Here" -- in fact, he would listen to it every time he went to the dentist's, while going under (don't know if the local anaesthetic wasn't enough, or if he was just getting knocked out for the high). Then the boss at the *next* record store I worked at was an "Animals" fanatic. He apparently listened to it every day for more than a year when it first came out (when he was around 17). Worried his mom to no end. But she was kind of that way. Huh. I'd never made that record-store-boss connection between those two Floyd albums before. Weird. Anyway, that's my whole Pink Floyd story. If you sell the movie rights, let me know. Goddamn, it's beautiful and sunny here today! Yeah!! :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:04:34 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... Christopher Gross wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, lj lindhurst wrote: > > > >No, that's not true at all, actually. If you look at alt.music.pink-floyd, > > >ALL the Floyd albums get discussed at some time or other, amidst the > > >staggering onslaught of "Hey, I'm stoned right now -- here's my cutesy > > >one-line response to your cutesy one-line response!" posts. In particular, > > >Syd Barrett talk is QUITE common. > > > > hang on a second-- that sounds like a description of THIS list! > > > > oh no, did I just give a cutesy one-line response? (duh, I guess this > > makes it a cutesy two line response...)(oh, now the line wrapped and I'm so > > confused!!) > > Uh-oh! You'd better take another hit, that'll make it better. Me, I'm > going out to get some cookies.... And for God's sake, get rid of that stupid "Wish You Were Here" shirt! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:13:20 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: prog=? are mogwai prog? - -- d. (likes: crimson, other fripp, david sylvian. dislikes: floyd) n.p. mogwai _young team_ "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:27:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: 100% Suede 0% cotton >I would be interested in what Eb thought of "Dog Man Star" - just from the >point >of craftsmanship (i.e. the strings & horns man, THE STRINGS & HORNS!!!) You know, I'm becoming mildly worried about being pigeonholed as a guy who's an inveterate sucker for elaborate arrangements. Especially, because I think it may be a fair cop. ;) Let's see...checking my top 15 of last year: 1. Neutral Milk Hotel/In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (all kinds of weird-ass instruments buzzing and honking in the mix) 2. Rufus Wainwright/Rufus Wainwright (Jon Brion and Van Dyke Parks send us to rococo Americana heaven) 4. Elliott Smith/XO (Jon Brion runs amuck yet again) 7. Spiritualized/Royal Albert Hall October 10 1997 Live (live with a string section) 10. Portishead/PNYC (live with an orchestra) 14. Elvis Costello w/Burt Bacharach/Painted From Memory (Bacharach arrangements) Meanwhile, among the last 10 albums I kept are discs by XTC (partially orchestral), Beulah (see NMH), the Boo Radleys (strings and horns again), Pastels (lush remixes by guys like Cornelius and Sean O'Hagan), the Hope Blister (4AD strings) and Jason Falkner (carefully arranged keyboards and guitars). Hmm. Oh, and I sold off Dog Man Star. I can't give you any specific comments about it, other than it just didn't turn me on. No great hatred for it, however. Ebbis Rodman, who still really regrets that Pink Floyd's Wall tour came through town JUST before he started really digging into the band...doh PS Somewhat unconfirmed celebrity death...I hear that the mob finally caught up with Henry Hill (the witness-protected inspiration for GoodFellas)? Oh, and Peggy Cass, but I don't even know what she DID beyond appear on gameshows. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Prog Question... On 3/11/99 2:51 PM, Mark (Chad) Gloster wrote: >Who is out there doing cool new proggy stuff nowadays? I've been out of >proggage >for a while and this talk is starting to make me yearn for something new, and >way different. You know, not just 5 chords, a mellotron, a bunch of notes >that >go by fast, in a half-hour song about SpaceDruids from Stonehenge (not that >there's anything wrong with that.) I can't believe I'm doing this, but: check out http://www.angelthorne.com/ Rob "Thorne" Volpintesta is the son of my family doctor from when I lived in the tony community of Bethel, Connecticut. My brother played in bands with this kid (fuck he's probably 30 by now...) when they were in High School. - -tc "The 'C' is for Chad!" p.s. Now listening to Chris Donnell's entire MP3 collection of the McCabe's gig. Awesome songs, but that girl with the annoying laugh is just grating on me. Oh, and Robyn mentions Coke! It's right before "Bones In The Ground." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:38:16 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... At 01:55 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Eb wrote: >>Look, what IS prog? >>The doors did some things that were prog "celebration of the lizard" > >Just because a song is long, doesn't mean it's prog. Scratch: Dire Straights, "Telegraph Road" and Frankie Goes to Hollywood, "Welcome to the Pleasure Dome." And the remix version of "The Reflex." >Right! I wish I had saved a post I made to Elephant Talk ages ago.... And here it is: >Date: > Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:27:20 -0700 > From: > Eb > Subject: > Re: Crimson, the only...etc etc etc > > >>Bayard Brewin wrote: >> >>Does it matter that the progressive movement hardly made a >>long-term dent in the Billboard 100? Would you be happier if >>it had? Thanks, but I'll pass. [and a slew of *other* arguments >>that weren't really pertinent] > >I don't understand why you're arguing on and on about prog >history and prog's influence on modern music. This is >off-topic. The initial issue was the vitality of well-known >prog bands today. As I see it, King Crimson is the only >currently active band which 1) is generally agreed to be >"prog" (say this about Phish, for instance, and you'll start >a lengthy debate), 2) has an audience beyond a narrow, >genre-based cult which is cynical (or even hostile) about >all '90s-generation popular music, 3) has the relevance and >drawing power to attract a major-label contract in the >States and elsewhere, 4) continues to push themselves into >fresh musical territory, rather than just swapping around >existing pieces of their sound, and 5) can play concerts >where the fans are consistently interested in hearing new >songs, rather than just calling out for old favorites. I >can't think of another group who passes all those tests. >Maybe you think you can, but I doubt I'll agree with your >choice(s). > >>From: "Alex *" >> >>Eb, in ET #512, said that Kc where the ONLY prog band who >>have lived up to the possibilities of the genre. Crimson may >>be the best prog band, but not the only good prog band. >>Bands like ELP, Yes and Gentle Giant have lived up to those >>possibilities, just not in the same way. > >Well, if we're talking about *active* prog bands (which I >thought we were), then we disagree. > >Listen, I never said King Crimson was the only good prog >band in the entire landscape of history. I interpreted the >original writer to be talking about prog bands *today*, and >the music they're writing *today*. Otherwise, he would have >written in the past tense. Now maybe you do think In the Hot >Seat and Open Your Eyes are important albums, but, um.... > >Eb Once again using the Elephant Talk search engine for evil purposes. (Search: Eb and progressive and contract.) - --JT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:40:58 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: More on the McCabe's MP3's Jesus, I think this laughing girl just pissed herself! - -tc, who saw "The Wall" show at Nassau Coliseum and has the pictures to prove it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:45:27 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: 50% Floyd 50% "puhleeze" Eb wrote: > Ebbis Rodman, who still really regrets that Pink Floyd's Wall tour came > through town JUST before he started really digging into the band...doh Hey, at least you were well prepared for the Momentary Lapse of Reason tour! Oh, sorry... > PS Somewhat unconfirmed celebrity death...I hear that the mob finally > caught up with Henry Hill (the witness-protected inspiration for > GoodFellas)? Interesting... he was a semi-regular guest on the Howard Stern show, not exactly the best way to keep a low profile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:52:50 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Floyd/Kubrick MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > Then, around > college-time, while working at my first record store, my boss there was really > into "Wish You Were Here" -- in fact, he would listen to it every time he went > to the dentist's, while going under (don't know if the local anaesthetic > wasn't enough, or if he was just getting knocked out for the high). Oooh... imagine the mechanical sounds of "Welcome To The Machine" blending into the sounds of the dentists drill and other apparatus.... kewl, man.... (cue bong sound effects) This just in: the trailer for the new/final Kubrick film is very dirty... (cue heavy breathing) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: you want consolidation? I'll show you consolidation.... On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Ben wrote: > > > oh no, did I just give a cutesy one-line response? (duh, I guess this > > > makes it a cutesy two line response...)(oh, now the line wrapped and I'm so > > > confused!!) > > > > Uh-oh! You'd better take another hit, that'll make it better. Me, I'm > > going out to get some cookies.... > > And for God's sake, get rid of that stupid "Wish You Were Here" shirt! You'll get my glows-under-black-light Dark Side of the Moon poster when you pry it from my cold, dead, bong-water-stained fingers. Pink Floyd, yes.... Pink Floyd was (or were, if you're in the UK) the first group I really got into. For me it was The Wall -- first from hearing "Another Brick in the Wall pt. 2" when I first found decent radio stations (ca. 1981), then a year or two later when my parents bought me The Wall on cassette. For the next couple of years I was a rabid Pink Floyd addict, and even after my punk phase started at age 16 I never turned against the Floyd. I remember amusing myself, one particularly boring day of my freshman year of high school, by writing out all the lyrics to The Wall from memory. I even took the risable earnings from my first job to buy a book chronicling the history of the band day by freaking day, and I read every single word -- numerous times. Ah, memories.... At different times The Wall, The Final Cut, Dark Side, Ummagumma and Animals were my absolute favorite albums. Animals is probably still my favorite PF album, and Animals, Piper, Saucerful, and maybe others would probably all make my top 100 -- not that I'd ever compose such a list, of course. Unfortunately, I never saw them live until the Division Bell tour. Gladly offering up more than anyone wanted to know, Chris np: Sleater-Kinney, The Hot Rock ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:23:14 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Elf Power! Olivia Tremor Control! DC Fegs on a rhythm-driven rampage! My most excellent pal-a-rino Chris has already grabbed me a ticket to see Sleater Kinney and will soon snag me a ticket to the OTC/Elf Power show! This is at the very enjoyable Black Cat club in DC. Any other fegs coming along for the ride? It's april 7th. By the way - 'I often Dream of Trains' does not count as a song title with the same name as the album it's on. The Song title has quotes around it! D'Oh! I don't mean just b/c it's a song title. Look at your CD! It really does have quotes around it. Like 'Chinese Water Python'! Eddie, Suzi did not see your post about the fegGiftPak b/c she's got hotmail filtered to the "crash and burn" file. You must be nice and toasty in there.. =b psyched cos i just got tickets to penn and teller! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:33:19 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: defending phish On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:48:04 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >Yes, this whole post is really a Phish-head's attempt to sneak another >bit of evangelizing on the List. I know that most folks think of Phish as >the "new Grateful Dead," but that is an oversimplification. There is >really a lot of the ol' prog aesthetic in their music, especially the >early stuff (Junta, Pictures of Nectar, and Rift.) In fact, the person >who got me into Phish was NOT a deadhead, but a Proggie, who saw Junta as >more Yes-like than Deadish. (And I still think there's a lot of Zappa in >there as well.) personally, on the new album, I hear quite a bit of Can and Talking Heads...or do you hate them just because you hate the kinda people that make up their audience???(I can't STAND "frat-boy hippies" anymore than the rest of ya'll...) -luther ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:00:26 -0500 From: Scary Mary Subject: Re: Prog Question... > >Who is out there doing cool new proggy stuff nowadays? I've been out of proggage >for a while and this talk is starting to make me yearn for something new, and >way different. You know, not just 5 chords, a mellotron, a bunch of notes that >go by fast, in a half-hour song about SpaceDruids from Stonehenge (not that >there's anything wrong with that.) > >Thanks, >-Chad Rapunzel > >BTW, a f(r)iend of mine played some of a Spock's Beard CD for me. I reeeeaaallly You already mentioned Spock's Beard so here are some other groups to try out. Most of these have released something in the past two years: Porcupine Tree-I'm a huge fan and am quite excited for the new cd and show in May. Ozric Tentacles Dead Flowers Djam Karat IQ Anekdoten The Flower Kings Tony Levin Trey Gunn Michael Brook Discipline I know there is a ton of groups I'm leaving out. S.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:35:10 +1300 (NZDT) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Phrogck >Proggies wishing for mainstream vindication should point out Stereolab >and their fellow travelers, who seem to have quite the liking for early >Soft Machine. I'd still add Mercury Rev's"Deserters Songs" tpo the argument for recent proginfluence. And yeah, Mark, my memory is going. I who would still love to hear Jethro Tull cover "The black crow knows". >Did somebody say the d-word? It awoke me from my cubicle slumber. >'The Fegs' are the notoriously violent denizens of Ferguslie Park, a >less-than-choice area in Paisley, Scotland. and also the name of an album by Stealers Wheel (a much underrated, if lightweight, band. Terry would probably like them [1]) James (whose song "Each an explorer!" is borderline prog [<--- blatant plug]) [1] this is not to denigrate Terry's taste. It is merely to say that SW's music is not dissimilar to that of several bands that Terry has mentioned, so he would probably like them. Hell, I *like* SW... and everyone's agreed that everything will work out fine. James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:56:00 +1300 (NZDT) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Ployed Finks, and the end of the golden weather >How did others get into the mighty Floyd? I didn't get into them until a friend >started arriving to school every day with the cassette "A Nice Pair". Our school music teacher. We all hated him at the time, but looking back he was cool. Start of term - first music period - he came in and said "I was on holiday overseas until a couple of weeks back. I bought a new album that hasn't been released here yet, but I think it's great and will become one of the biggest rock albums ever recorded.Listen to this!" The next 45 minutes was spent with us all listening to Dark Side of the Moon. We thought he was daft to think it would be a classic, although it sounded OK. Little did we realise... Then, in my first year at varsity, Iboprrowed all sorts of weird LPs from a friend to have a listen to. One of them was Saucerful of secrets - stilljust about my favourite PF album. (One of the others I borrowed was Underwater Moonlight - but that's another story) James (with his last posting of the day) PS - it rained last night! over an inch! That's the heaviest rain in Dunedin for three months. What's more, a lot of rain fell inland - it's doubled the rainfall total for Alexandra so far this year and was their heaviest single rainfall for THREE YEARS! So what? The drought's over - the scrubfires are out - and farmers are dancing in the fields.Maybe, just maybe, some of these places can stop getting water tanked in and can start to get back to normal! James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:57:04 +1300 (NZDT) From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Blurrrrrrrr >Eb said: >> Listened to new Blur last night. > >Thought you may be interested to hear of the typical UK "this is better >than the Beatles" reviews 13 seems to be getting over here. I picked up >MM & NME yesterday, which I haven't done in a *long* while, and was >astounded by the quote: "Far superior to 'All You Need Is Love', >'Tender' is a mantra, a beatific cri de coeur, and the best British >single since 'A Design For Life'". For Tomorrow is even better than >Waterloo Sunset! Well, won't be buying MM or NME in a while again... I think, to continue the Blur trend, the British music press could simply re-name themselves "Modern Life".Then the title of the album with the A4 Pacific locomotive [1] on it would be accurate. np - Tony Levin - World Diary. Next - Nick Drake (again!) James (okay, so THIS one's the last) [1] now THAT's trainspotting! ;) James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:03:46 From: "she.rex" Subject: Tull and Mattes Hi all! Just a quick line to say Jethro Tull is one of my favorite bands - love the music, love the lyrics. Aqualung and Thick as a Brick are fav older LPs. Of the newer (not so much really, but in relation) albums I like is Crest of a Knave, though the style is a bit different. Broadsword and the Beast is not as good IMO, and Rock Island and Roots to Branches are fairly forgettable. The boxed set was great, esp. records 4 (The Other Sides of Tull) and 5 (The Essential Tull). On the box set Moths is really cool because they start with one instrument and keep adding one at a time, then come back after a chorus with all of them in full swing. I'm sure this particular musical device has a name but it escapes me at the moment. And I don't think it was done like that on Heavy Horses. If you like Dun Ringill, you'd probably also enjoy Mayhem Maybe. And Salamander is beautiful. There's a lot of good stuff on that set. Oh, and I vote for matte. And welcome Angel, Paul and Chad! She.Rex (not a Chad or a Paul, but sometimes an Angel) np: Jethro Tull - Original Masters (can't imagine why...) - ------------------------ Sitting on a park bench Eyeing little girls with bad intent Snot running down his nose Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes Hey Aqualung Drying in the cold sun Watching as the pretty panties run Hey Aqualung Feeling like a dead duck Spitting out pieces of his broken luck Oh Aqualung... .... In the wee hours I'll meet you Down by Dun Ringill And we'll watch the old gods play By Dun Ringill... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:30:17 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: 'celeb' death Obscure, yet notable: > Peggy Cass has died at the age of 74. She was a Tony-winning > Broadway actress (Auntie Mame--supporting role) and a frequent guest on game > shows like "To Tell The Truth" and "Password." Jst in cse 'fgz' hve no othr wy to recve nws expt ths lst... /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Phrogck > [1] this is not to denigrate Terry's taste. It is merely to say that SW's > music is not dissimilar to that of several bands that Terry has mentioned, > so he would probably like them. Hell, I *like* SW... and everyone's agreed > that everything will work out fine. Even I don't take my musical tastes seriously anymore. Anyhow, I'm really disappointed to learn that Supertramp, my favorite prog band, isn't even prog. I mean, if Klaatu (my second favorite prog band, at least until some meanie on this list comes along and goes on about how they suck [my prediction: Eddie Tews will explain how they caused the situation in Nigeria mere hours before Eb's inevitable "Klaatu? Egh."[1] post]. This isn't because I'm weak-willed or just because I'm easily influenced, but because I do, in my heart of hearts, really see that Klaatu is very pretentious and lightweight. If they weren't so fun to listen to I'd never make them my second favorite prog band. ) could make it onto the Proglist, Supertramp ought to be able to, I mean, those keyboard solos on "Crime of the Century" were at least as progressive as Renaissance was. Anyhow, if Supertramp isn't prog-pop, what are the and what is? Procol Harum? They've got to be at least mildly prog, or at least their late 60/early 70 stff is.[2] An I've been thinking about percussion jazz lately, and I've decided that it's the spiritual forerunner of prog. The genre started out as test records for hi-fi equipment and never entirely left that niche. The linernotes for most albums tend to be along the lines of "If your machine has fast action, you will distinctly hear the congas and hi-hat during the chorus". Provocative Percussion is another of my favorite albums (and judging by the prices it gets, I'm the only one who likes it. I've never seen it available for more than 50 cents.) It's the only record I can recall that treats accordion as a serious instruments, and with good results (esp on "Blues inthe Night"). It's all choruses and solos, which might explain how I likeit and part of why I think its proto-prog. It was generally done by session musicians and towards the end, the competing studios tried to trump each other by adding more and more drummers. On second thought, this style of music has nothign to do with prog. You can't get from "S'Wonderful" to "Sounds of the Sea" or "Close to the Edge", no matter how hard you try. But do any of you know about anything else Enoch Light or Lew Davies did, and was it any good or just moderate instrumental music? (Prov. Perc. 2 doesn't have the spark that 1 did. 3 is a bit better than 2, but not great). I've got a nasty feeling I'm the local Enoch Light expert, and I'd rather not be the expert on him.ee's a good Enoch Light site at http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~rcb/light/, but I think I'm the only one who cares. I got into Pink Floyd by listening to my parents' copy of "Relics" repeatedly, especially Arnold Layne/See Emily Play. And I think that Animals is their most prog album. 1: Yes. That will be the entire text of the post. And yes, I'm just mentioning those two listmembers because the rest of you are too nice or too disinterested to argue with me about Klaatu. Right? 2: They did alive album wiht an orchestra. And "'Twas Teatime at the Circus" is prog, in my opinion. Terrence "The Human Chadotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #93 ******************************