From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #86 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 08 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! [The Great Quail ] Take one of those "C"s from MICKEY and . . . . [The Great Quail ] favorite mistakes [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Central American FegFest 2000 [Tom Clark ] Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! [Eb ] Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! ["manitas de platano" ] mistakes, recording, etc. [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] mistakes, recording, etc. [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: Shining and Nicholson [amadain ] Re: favorite mistakes [Ken Ostrander ] CD scratches ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: majesty [Eb ] Re: favorite mistakes [Hedblade@aol.com] Astroturf campaign to get SH into MB [DDerosa5@aol.com] Re: The People's Republic Of Santa Monica [Aaron Mandel ] Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! ["D B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 99 11:46:54 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! >Lyndon were shit (that's two movies since 1975, if you're scoring at >home. well, i guess the first half of Full Metal Jacket was okay.) and >who can doubt that Eyes Wide Shut will be any different? >so, no. i don't consider it a "MAJOR CALAMITY!!" that he died today. i >consider it a major tragedy that the man who had made The Killing, Paths >Of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita, Dr. Strangelove, 2001, and A Clockwork >Orange by the age of 45 didn't make bollocks for his remaining >quarter-century on planet earth. That is very harsh, and I think quite unfair. Even if I did agree with your assessment of his last three films (which I don't) I would still think that's a bit harsh -- if Kubrik would have made only one "Clockwork Orange," "2001," "Strangelove" -- I mean, what more do you want from a man who has created *several* enduring masterpeices, films both tremendously influential and now almost mythological? But that's besides the point -- because I also disagree with you on a more fundamental level. OK, I completely agree that "Barry Lyndon" was his worst film -- actually, in my opinion, his only bad film. But I am actually a bit shocked that you don't like "Full Metal Jacket" and "The Shining!" The Shining was a masterpiece of psychological and supernatural tension, and far far better than the book. I could go into it for pages and pages, but with "The Shining," I think you either were floored by it or you weren't, so I will leave that argument to someone else. But to put down Full Metal Jacket -- wow. I know a lot of folks liked the first half better; but I think they *missed* the whole point of the second half of the movie, which turned the film into the MOST scathing war film ever made. Eddie, I am especially surprised that you personally didn't like it . . . it was brutally anti-American, showing the worst side of the War, the entire destruction and colonization of another land by a dehumanized mass of Gentle Giants, for the most part culturally ignorant, almost welcoming the savage state that War forces them into -- even the only real intellectual of the group decides at the end that it is better to submit to the Horror than to fight it. Even the music selected is depressing and bitter -- no Doors, no Hendrix, nothing like that; no, only the most banal and mindless of American pop songs accompanies this nightmare progression . . . until that unforgettable and horrific endpoint, where the whole platoon marches across the holocaustal wasteland singing, of all things, the Mousketeer theme song. . . . . shudder. And yet, because this is Kubrik, none of these characters are necessarily two-dimensional or easy to hate, indeed; we can easily see our neighbors, buddies, brothers, and maybe even ourselves in there -- the presence of Joker ensures that even "intellectuals" will wind up feeling a bit queasy. Kubrik shows that it is War which is the thing to hate, what War does to us, to humanity, to everything. It sounds like a simple trope for a War film, but Kubrik did it the best. - --Quail PS: As much as I liked Full metal jacket, I liked "Apocalypse Now" better; but I don't really consider that a "War" film per se. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 99 12:07:17 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Take one of those "C"s from MICKEY and . . . . . . . . put it in KubriCk. ^ Sorry. I also am in the habit of mispelling other popular deities of mine, such as Nyarlathotep, Nnuuurrrr'c'c', Huitzilopochtli, and Mark Glocester. But the love's still there. - --Quial +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Central American FegFest 2000 So Vivivivivivivivien and Bayard and I were talking on the phone last night and decided to have a big feg gathering in Central America next spring. Belize, Costa Rica, and Ecuador (though not Central American) were mentioned. What do y'all think? You know I'm for it. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:11:07 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: favorite mistakes >>Songs with false starts in the singing, or more broadly, songs with other >>mistakes in them that got left in anyway. On Nick Drake's "Mayfair," he forgets the lyrics to the last line of a verse and then mutters "Instrumental bit" and laughs. (The notion of Nick Drake laughing is slightly surreal, but there it is.) On "Ladybird," by that band that Chalkhillians seem so fond of, Colin Moulding fluffs a note and yells in frustration - the yell is buried in the mix, but is audible on headphones. As for aesthetic mistakes in songs, there are too many to mention here, and probably a whole 'nother thread unto itself... >or robyn prefers the astrological sign that matches the song's rhythm over >the accurate one. A friend of mine was convinced for a long time that Robyn was a Scorpio, because of a particular line in another song. I don't know if he also thinks that Robyn is a long kebab through your ovaries. n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:31:05 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Central American FegFest 2000 On 3/8/99 9:24 AM, Capuchin wrote: >So Vivivivivivivivien and Bayard and I were talking on the phone last >night and decided to have a big feg gathering in Central America next >spring. > >Belize, Costa Rica, and Ecuador (though not Central American) were >mentioned. > >What do y'all think? I'm in the midst of planning a trip to Costa Rica for this New Year's, so I'd be happy to pass along any info to FegFest 2000 planners. This could be almost as fun as Mark's house! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:35:06 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! this is a valid point. although i *did* say that he was my second favorite director. i meant that to be taken as *praise*. but you still can't help but feel disappointed. we could offer an anology. supposing that the great quail, who had hitherto sent reams and reams of the highest quality and most entertaining posts imaginable to the fegmaniax computer network (robyn hitchcock ideas and discussion)...well, we don't have to suppose *this* part. this is factually the case. but then suppose that for the rest of his time alive, he spent five years or so to compose each post, constantly rewriting and editing and tweaking. and that when each new post was unleashed, with great fanfare, it turned out to be the hollowest of reeds... we'd certainly still respect what he *had* given us. we'd likely still proclaim him the greatest fegposter of all times. but we'd also probably always wish that he'd been able to live up to his own standards, or merely come close. would it be "very harsh" and "quite unfair" for us to wish this? probably yes. but we don't choose our emotions, they choose us. hey, here's another analogy. in the robyn, bob & albert show, robyn comes back out after Like A Rolling Stone and says that after that, bob "supernovaed" and never did anything else of value. that may be exaggerating robyn's feelings. but only a bit, it seems. and it's not the only time he's said such-like thing. he's constantly saying how horrid dylan's career has become. but he's also, of course, quite reverential when speaking of those early years. ugh. the book was an utter piece of crap, and the movie was probably worse. tell you what, quail. since it's *you*, i'll give it another look, and try to have an open mind about it. but i really don't think it can ever match up to kubrick's own Paths Of Glory and Dr. Strangelove on this count, not to mention Grand Illusion and Bridge On The River Kwai. from the imdb: KUBRICK'S LAST FILM: READY OR NOT? Warner Bros. said Sunday that the death of Stanley Kubrick will not affect its plans to release his final film, Eyes Wide Shut (1999), on schedule on July 16. However, it could not be determined what stage of completion the film was in. Kubrick showed a rough-cut to top studio executives and stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman last month. "We're just thrilled with it," Warner's cochairman Terry Semel told today's (Monday) Wall Street Journal. The studio insisted publicly that the film needed only small finishing touches; however, Kubrick was famous -- or infamous -- for fine-tuning his films up to the very last minute and had reportedly asked recently that the film's opening be put off until August. a question: i know this topic has come up before, but i never paid much attention. what's the best way to repair scratched cd's? a recommendation: the march/april issue of Dollars And Sense. i'd become somewhat disenchanted with the magazine, and was thinking of letting my subscription lapse. but this new issue is phenomenal, from start to finish. "This is about a guy who had too much power in his treble-booster before lunch." --robyn h., 1978, introducing The Rat's Prayer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:57:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! Quail: >But I am >actually a bit shocked that you don't like "Full Metal Jacket" and "The >Shining!" > >But to put down Full Metal Jacket -- wow. I know a lot of folks liked the >first half better; but I think they *missed* the whole point of the >second half of the movie, which turned the film into the MOST scathing >war film ever made. I'm not a particularly big fan of either, I must admit. "The Shining" is *brilliant* film-making without a doubt, but all the complex symbolism and gorgeous cinematography in the world doesn't cover up the fundamental problem: the subject matter is simply beneath Kubrick. Analyze it all you like, but it's still just a psychotic-slasher film at the end of the day. I also have a bit of a grudge against the film, because to me, it's the critical turning point where Jack Nicholson transformed from "important actor" into "personality/self-parody." He had an *amazing* string of films in the '70s, but after "The Shining," he seemed to stop testing himself and his audience, choosing instead to coast on his charisma and devilish grin. And of course, the ultimate Nicholson devilish grin is the "Heeeeere's Johnny!" moment. It seems like Nicholson and his audience have never quite gotten past that. As for "Full Metal Jacket," I haven't seen it since it was new, so I can't offer any detailed analysis. However, I do remember being a bit disappointed. Like Eddie, I thought the training-camp half was far more compelling than the battle half. I think the film was also crippled by its timing -- maybe if Kubrick has stepped up the pace and got it out a few years earlier, it would've been groundbreaking. But coming in 1987, it seemed like just one of MANY copycat Vietnam films trying to feed off the success of the previous year's "Platoon." Oops. Not to mention being years after "Apocalpyse Now" and "The Deer Hunter," which are both among the most unforgettable films I've ever seen. There may not be ANY film that emotionally wipes me out like "The Deer Hunter." Hell, I start tearing and sniffling during the closing CREDITS of that film, just because the cathartic release of tension is so overwhelming when the film finally ends. "Full Metal Jacket" definitely didn't do that for me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:19:47 +0000 From: "manitas de platano" Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! > a question: i know this topic has come up before, but i never paid much > attention. what's the best way to repair scratched cd's? I'll repeat myself, then. Use toothpaste, water and your finger to polish out the scratch if it's on the playing side. Kiddie toothpaste works well. About 10 minutes worth of this treatment saved my once-unplayable copy of "Eye". If the scratch is on the foil (label) side, kiss the CD goodbye or find a player that can handle an error that big. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:40:18 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: mistakes, recording, etc. "When I Say Stop Continue" is a ditty from a King Crimson (Thrakattack?) CD. They are screwing the pooch (they are making serious timing errors, that I have attempted to describe with colorful, yet technical, music vernacular) on the song, he tells them to stop, and they keep playing. If you don't already worship at the altar of King Crimson, do not make this your first purchase. You will think that your head is being crushed by a heavy metal jazz gamelan with rotating knives attachment. You may feel like your brain has been pushed through a metal collander after listening to it, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. In my case, it keeps me from ever having really deep thoughts. Recording: Thanks for your help. I managed to screw up the recording with an almost infinite boo boo. I'll 'splain it later if I feel like reopening that gaping wound. Suffice to say it was dark and my eyes and IQ are photosensitive. Kubrick: it's sad when anybody dies, but everybody dies. He made some great flix. I even liked "The Shining," and I hated the book. He struck me as someone with whom I would have liked to have a long chat. Fegmaniax: My email had an aneurism on Friday, so I am having to use a lot of catchup. Quail deities: I am the agnostic deity of weird goofiness, if you misspell (you even misspelled the misspelling) my name further you'll get a healthy spray of metaphysical Quailsneezepepper and zapped by the ephemeral Hmuh joybuzzer. fyi: I'm not really a deity, but I used to play one on a cable access show about (American) football players. You know, helping out the saved, batting the ball away from the heathens. I hope I can go skiing later this week. Any Colorado fegs, or fegs from this planet up for meeting in Breckenridge over next weekend or early next week? Happies, - -reluctant deity of discerning, yet confused, brilliant, yet silly literary avians everywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:40:07 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: mistakes, recording, etc. "When I Say Stop Continue" is a ditty from a King Crimson (Thrakattack?) CD. They are screwing the pooch (they are making serious timing errors, that I have attempted to describe with colorful, yet technical, music vernacular) on the song, he tells them to stop, and they keep playing. If you don't already worship at the altar of King Crimson, do not make this your first purchase. You will think that your head is being crushed by a heavy metal jazz gamelan with rotating knives attachment. You may feel like your brain has been pushed through a metal collander after listening to it, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. In my case, it keeps me from ever having really deep thoughts. Recording: Thanks for your help. I managed to screw up the recording with an almost infinite boo boo. I'll 'splain it later if I feel like reopening that gaping wound. Suffice to say it was dark and my eyes and IQ are photosensitive. Kubrick: it's sad when anybody dies, but everybody dies. He made some great flix. I even liked "The Shining," and I hated the book. He struck me as someone with whom I would have liked to have a long chat. Fegmaniax: My email had an aneurism on Friday, so I am having to use a lot of catchup. Quail deities: I am the agnostic deity of weird goofiness, if you misspell (you even misspelled the misspelling) my name further you'll get a healthy spray of metaphysical Quailsneezepepper and zapped by the ephemeral Hmuh joybuzzer. fyi: I'm not really a deity, but I used to play one on a cable access show about (American) football players. You know, helping out the saved, batting the ball away from the heathens. I hope I can go skiing later this week. Any Colorado fegs, or fegs from this planet up for meeting in Breckenridge over next weekend or early next week? Happies, - -reluctant deity of discerning, yet confused, brilliant, yet silly literary avians everywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:09:05 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Shining and Nicholson >problem: the subject matter is simply beneath Kubrick. Analyze it all you >like, but it's still just a psychotic-slasher film at the end of the day. I agree on this. Bravura filmmaking, but it IS ultimately not the most subtle or interesting plot one could have come up with. It's funny, because the SO and I were just talking about this the other day. I was thinking that it would have been a MUCH better story if you took out the kid and the obvious supernatural elements, and made it into something a bit more like "Repulsion", where you're continually questioning what you're being shown and whose eyes you're seeing through. Perhaps with that character as the -only- character, even. As is it's a high-quality shocker, but still not much more than basically that. >also have a bit of a grudge against the film, because to me, it's the >critical turning point where Jack Nicholson transformed from "important >actor" into "personality/self-parody." Oh yeah! Too true! We agree again. This is getting scary. >Johnny!" moment. It seems like Nicholson and his audience have never quite >gotten past that. Well, playing Jack Nicholson has turned out to be rather lucrative, in any event. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:05:00 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: favorite mistakes >>>Songs with false starts in the singing, or more broadly, songs with other >>>mistakes in them that got left in anyway. 'rock star' on hole's LIVE THROUGH THIS has a couple a cute false starts. "well i went to school...in olympia...". on CURSE OF THE MEKONS they start playing 'wild + blue' and stop to wait for an ambulance to go by before starting again. on 'treatment bound', the last song on the mat's HOOTENANNY, the solo (and the song) gets aborted and everybody laughs. "fucked 'em up". on RECKONING the beginning of '(don't go back to) rockville' starts out with a gnarly little chug-chug cowpoke "that's right you got it...huh! in the mood". on LONDON CALLING they start out 'wrong 'em boyo' with a few lines from 'stagger lee', stop, and you hear, "start all over again". the two songs that end the sides of ABBEY ROAD ['i want you (she's so heavy)' and 'her majesty'] both end abruptly so that they sound like mistakes. i think that 'her majesty' was originally part of the "rock opera"; but was eventually cut out to the chagrin of one of the producers, who threw it on at the end. in 'milkcow blues' by elvis (from the SUN SESSIONS) they have this slow bluesy start which the pelvis stops the song saying, "wait a minute fellas. it don't move me. let's get real goin' for a change." at which point it kicks into some groovy hillbilly bebop. great fun. ken "you can't fight in here; this is the war room!" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:13:01 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: CD scratches I had really good luck with a scratch remover made for plexi. I don't know if it's still available, but I bought a bottle of this stuff from a cylce shop that was made to fix up motorcylce helmet facemasks (made of plexi, surprisingly). It worked wonders. I guess it kind of looked a bit like kiddie toothpaste that had been watered down. Didn't taste as nice, though. - -f. ___________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer (860) 409-2612 EPG New Media McGraw-Hill Technology Division Farmington, CT mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:32:47 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: majesty >i think that 'her majesty' was originally part of the "rock opera"; >but was eventually cut out to the chagrin of one of the producers, >who threw it on at the end. True. The reason the climactic note of "Her Majesty" is omitted is that the note occurs elsewhere, as the first note of one of the preceding medley songs. Dang it, I can't remember which one at the moment. Maybe "Carry That Weight"? I'm sure a quick skim through the transitions on side two would give you the answer. Eb np: Blur/13 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:20:33 EST From: Hedblade@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite mistakes << i think that 'her majesty' was originally part of the "rock opera"; but was eventually cut out to the chagrin of one of the producers, who threw it on at the end >> Ken's sort of right, but not quite. "Her Majesty" was orginally in the middle of the side two "suite," but was shuffled out mid-way through construction. When the lads and Mr. Martin snipped it out, it was somehow edited to the end of the tape (perhaps to save it, but not use it). When the final version as we've all come to know it was done, they sat 'round for a playback. Once through, the tape ran on and "Her Majesty" played. They were all surprised, and decided to keep it in. You'll notice that the final note of the song is clipped, that's because it overlapped with the song it was next to in the original sequence. To get the whole story, check out the Complete Beatles Recording Sessions book. A fab read. Blinking On And Off, Jay Hedblade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:32:41 EST From: DDerosa5@aol.com Subject: Astroturf campaign to get SH into MB It's lunchtime, and I can't even lurk successfully, catch up on what I missed while away, cause the server is overloaded, I assume with y'all posting at a rate of two digests per day. Wow. In response to Susan's query, I am interested in beginning a lobbying campaign to get SH shown in Chicago, and at the Music Box (at least for a weekend, I think it would fit perfectly at midnight.) I think we should coordinate Chicago fegs to call their booking person, as well as anyone who might come to Chicago to see it. I'm sure it'll be on video sometime soon, but I want to see on a big goddamn screen with clouds rolling by overhead in the dark. (Or at least in the little room filled with artificial ivy.) Who's with me? Robyn's got a ton of fans in Chicago, so I know we could make it worth their financail while, but we gotta convince them. All at once. dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The People's Republic Of Santa Monica On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > --he said one of the seven verboten words on "on the edge": > robyn: are you taping this? > whfs: yes. > robyn: oh shit. maybe there are lawyers on the list who will correct me, but i believe that the "seven little words" aren't actually forbidden -- or rather, there's no clear precedent that simply saying any one of those words once is against FCC rules, nor, on the other hand, that no other words are forbidden on daytime radio. in FCC vs. Pacifica, the Supreme Court found that the FCC did have the right to apply restrictions to radio programming that was indecent but not obscene. (broadcasting full-blown obscenity is a crime rather than just a financially punishable violation of FCC rules.) the program in question was the George Carlin sketch about the seven words "that you can't say, that you're not supposed to say all the time, [...] the words you couldn't say on the public, ah, airwaves, um, the ones you definitely wouldn't say, ever". but the point is, he made up the list. it's actually longer than seven words, if you look at the rest of the monologue; he adds "fart", "turd" and "twat". part of the monologue is even about how some of these words are relatively harmless, but still have an unspoken taboo against them. now, not a single indecency case has gone to court. every single fine that the FCC has threatened to impose for indecency has been paid. (as far as i know, anyway... maybe some were dropped, bt none have been tried.) i don't know where i could find a list of all the threat letters that have been sent, though i would love to see such a thing. even that, though, would only tell you what the FCC has threatened to persecute (sic) stations for. since the FCC can take away a station's license, it may be a long time before there's a first amendment challenge to one of the FCC's decisions. one use of "shit" isn't even in the same universe as the Carlin skit, which is funny and clever but does contain about the most concentrated use of vulgarities that you can find outside the META tag for a porn website. the text of FCC vs. Pacifica includes a transcription of it: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search& linkurl=<%LINKURL%>&graphurl=<%GRAPHURL%>&court=US&case=/us/438/726.html (all one line with no spaces in it.) a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:02:50 PST From: "D B" Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! "Barry Lyndon" a 'bad' film? Give me a break... A brilliant movie... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:06:15 PST From: "D B" Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! >From: "Capitalism Blows" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E!!!! >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:35:06 PST >Reply-To: "Capitalism Blows" > >your assessment of his last three films (which I don't) I would still >think that's a bit harsh -- if Kubrik would have made only one >"Clockwork Orange," "2001," "Strangelove" -- I mean, what more do you >want from a man who has created *several* enduring masterpeices, films >both tremendously influential and now almost mythological?> > >this is a valid point. although i *did* say that he was my second >favorite director. i meant that to be taken as *praise*. but you still >can't help but feel disappointed. >we could offer an anology. supposing that the great quail, who had >hitherto sent reams and reams of the highest quality and most >entertaining posts imaginable to the fegmaniax computer network (robyn >hitchcock ideas and discussion)...well, we don't have to suppose *this* >part. this is factually the case. but then suppose that for the rest >of his time alive, he spent five years or so to compose each post, >constantly rewriting and editing and tweaking. and that when each new >post was unleashed, with great fanfare, it turned out to be the >hollowest of reeds... we'd certainly still respect what he *had* given >us. we'd likely still proclaim him the greatest fegposter of all times. >but we'd also probably always wish that he'd been able to live up to his >own standards, or merely come close. would it be "very harsh" and >"quite unfair" for us to wish this? probably yes. but we don't choose >our emotions, they choose us. >hey, here's another analogy. in the robyn, bob & albert show, robyn >comes back out after Like A Rolling Stone and says that after that, bob >"supernovaed" and never did anything else of value. that may be >exaggerating robyn's feelings. but only a bit, it seems. and it's not >the only time he's said such-like thing. he's constantly saying how >horrid dylan's career has become. but he's also, of course, quite >reverential when speaking of those early years. > Pardon me for saying so, but what a load of nonsense... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #86 ******************************