From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #85 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 08 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: SK ["D B" ] Re: Mistakes in songs [amadain ] Re: SK (Eyes Wide Shut) [West ] Re: Mistakes in songs ["Russ Reynolds" ] agh! [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #82 [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: "... on such a winter's day" [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Di] Another damn thread [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Paul's Robyn search ["Angel Jones" ] Sad. [The Great Quail ] the week in feg [cinders blue ] Re: the week in feg [Eb ] Re: the week in feg [Ben ] Re: Late bulletin? [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] That band-mention bandwagon ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Pre-Rex oddity [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 17:21:34 PST From: "D B" Subject: Re: SK Stanley Kubrick was arguably the world's greatest director, although you'd receive no argument from me on that score... An incredible loss... Thankfully, though, "Eyes Wide Shut" is reputed to be more or less wrapped up. What a shock... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:07:35 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Mistakes in songs >Can you think of more mistakes that made it to immortality? Well, yeah, there are a couple of more or less famous Dylan ones. The beginning of "Bob Dylan's 115th Dream" where they screw up and Bob is laughing (or more accurately, guffawing) and saying "start again". Another one is on "Nashville Skyline" where Johnny Cash asks "Is it rolling Bob?" at the beginning of "To Be Alone with You". There's also a Zombies song where Colin Blunstone flubs up a word or two. I can't remember offhand but I'm sure Terry (among others) would know. I - -think- it's "She's Not There". Some mistakes that weren't accidents, but definitely mistakes- the saxophone "accents" on "Band on the Run" ("ghastly mellow saxophones all over the place"), and that super-tacky, what the hell is that thing, it's that ridged grating sort of instrument on the original version of "Man Who Sold The World". Definitely a "What the HELL were you thinking?" moment. Also, one horrifying lyrical mistake leaps to mind. I have no idea what this song is called or who it's by, but I heard this song once on Arkansas Red's blues show- for non-Southsiders (e.g., everyone on this list but me I'm afraid), he plays contemporary blues, the 70s style more R&Bish kinda stuff. Anyway, it was a very tender love duet about how we'll love each other forever, throughout the ages, blah blah blah, and the guy tenderly, sincerely says: "When you lose your figure/And become dis-figured/I'll still be there". I'm afraid I lost it at this point and didn't hear the rest of the song, being too busy laughing like a loon, but I'm sure it must have been priceless. I'm sure THIS is a rich thread as well, but I'll leave it here with what came to mind off the top of my head and let others take it up if'n they wish to. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 17:47:22 -0800 From: West Subject: Re: SK (Eyes Wide Shut) D B wrote: > Stanley Kubrick was arguably the world's greatest director, although > you'd receive no argument from me on that score... An incredible loss... > Thankfully, though, "Eyes Wide Shut" is reputed to be more or less > wrapped up. What a shock... But now that Kubrick's gone, what concerns me most is the possibility of Warner Brothers altering the film in some way, perhaps to make it more "commercial" or to tone down the sexual content (I've heard it's fairly explicit -- there were rumors about an NC-17 rating). Now, Tom Cruise has a helluva lotta clout, but will he use it to preserve Kubrick's vision...or to ensure that he and the missus look good? I know Brian DePalma's answer. Kubrick was one of my heroes. I hate today. West ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 17:49:08 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Mistakes in songs >How about Billy Joel getting messed up and laughing at himself during >_You're Only Human (Second Wind)_ and they left it in? Or was this on >purpose? > >And on _Athens, GA - Inside/Out_ the Stipe-Meister sort of flubs a line >_(All I Have to Do Is)Dream_. But he often changes lyrics live and this >was basically a live recording, so maybe it doesn't count? > >She.Rex (trying to get a jump on the game this time) > She(Rex) of all people should have chimed in with the backup singer who goes three words too long in the middle of "Bang A Gong". I think there's a similar situation in Van Morrison's "Blue Money", but it could be I'm confusing it with another of his songs. - -rUss All schools are strange. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:35:21 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: agh! STANLEY KUBRICK?! James James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:48:54 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #82 >>in general i prefer these threads when they're bounded by some sort of >>quality guideline, but just to be obnoxious, i'd love to hear of a song >>(not specifically written for the ocassion) that namechecks as many >>novelists as amy rigby's (sadly unrecorded as yet) "faulkner's maalox," or >>indeed any other pop song that mentions "margaret drabble" at all. Endless Art, by aHouse James np - Microdisney - Patrick Moore says you can't sleep here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:22:20 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: "... on such a winter's day" >>> And didn't CSN have a song about Woodstock? CSN? Are you thinking of Joni Mitchell's song? James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:22:01 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Another damn thread >Songs with false starts in the singing, or more broadly, songs with other >mistakes in them that got left in anyway. sigh. About 40% of Beach Boys songs seem to have this, erm, design feature. One loveluy prominent one is the original stereo version of the Beatles "Please Please Me" Johnstarts singing the wrong line (while harmonising with Paul), then realises what he's done and narrowly avoids bursting out laughing. Also there's the wonderful live version of Elvis singing "are you lonesome tonight?" (released as a b-side, ISTR) where he completely fluffs his lyrics (reciting such wonderful gems as "when you look in the mirror, do you wish you had hair?") before losing it completely. James James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:36:53 -0000 From: "Angel Jones" Subject: Paul's Robyn search Hello, Re Paul's search for Robyn he'd enjoy; If you prefer the more acousticy stuff, you might try "Invisible Hitchcock," which not everyone is crazy about, due to its' eclectic nature, but my husband & I enjoy it much. But then, I think just about every album he's produced is cosmic. -Angel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 23:23:26 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Sad. I just found out on the News, then checked the Feglist for details. (Weird, but true.) Kubrik was a god; and I have no reason at all for posting except to join in the public mourning of one of my heroes. . . . . I agree with West; I hate this day. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 23:34:58 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: the week in feg also sprach Capuchin : >I'm rearing up to finally do those stickers (investors? Anyone?) again. >My current plan is to use the Thoth I made. Four inch diameter. Do you >kids have a preference between reflective or non-reflective white vinyl? last time this idea was being bandied about, i forgot to mention an idea i had. out here in the northeast, all the snooty types who live on martha's vinyard, nantucket or on the cape have these little oval stickers on their car bumpers with an abbreviation for their little utopia. MV for the vinyard, NPT for newport (rhode island) and so forth. i guess they got the idea from the stickers cars in europe have to identify their nationality. well, dunno about you, but i'd love to have a sticker which said FEG on it. also sprach MARKEEFE@aol.com: > But couldn't the phenomenon of the "Top 40 hit single" be seen as >something akin to a commercial jingle for the rest of the album? I mean, I'd >think that most albums that sell millions of copies do so based on people >hearing one or maybe two good songs on the radio and then buying the album on >good faith that the rest of the album will live up to the promise of what was >essentially advertised to them via the hit single. And how many people go >around moaning about hat one good song and how the rest of the album is pretty >lame. Let me tell you: TONS! hah. most of the time, i say the exact opposite thing: that the single used to entice people to buy a record sucks while the rest of the record is often pretty good. case in point: peter gabriel's _so_ which is marred by "sledgehammer" and "big time". also sprach Zloduska : >How could you forget Clean Steve? > >"We had a party three years later; Clean Steve wore a robe. He brought a >new Nick Lowe cassette..." > >In fact, it's that song which turned me onto Nick Lowe in the first place. seeing and hearing syd straw and marc ribot cover "i love the sound of breaking glass" did it for me. woooo wheee! also sprach Natalie Jacobs : >My rising >Sign is Capricorn; is that >Surprising? > >This would indicate that Robyn, as a Pisces, was born between 2 and 4 in >the morning. Unless the protagonist of the song is not a Pisces, of course. or robyn prefers the astrological sign that matches the song's rhythm over the accurate one. also sprach "Russ Reynolds" : >Um... Janis Ian did "Seventeen." i went to the bottom line's 25th anniversary concert, which was one of those "in their own words" deals where they have four artists sit on stage, tell stories and sing songs. usually, these are quite entertaining and this one was no different. i primarily went to see jane siberry and syd straw, but also knew i would enjoy cheryl wheeler and figured i could put up with janis ian. whoa! why didn't anyone tell me that janis ian was a wicked guitar player?!? pardon my welsh, but holy shit, batman! she was fantastic -- both musically and lyrically. i realize that this show was not very typical for her as she didn't pull out any of the old standards which would have otherwise been omnipresent, but still -- she was excellent. everyone one else was quite good too. ms. siberry was her usual unconnected self, cheryl wheeler was drunken yet poignant and syd straw somehow managed to look like joey ramone and respectable at the same time. as you can imagine, the tangents were extensive. also sprach Michael R Godwin : >'Shake and pop' / 'They call it rock', which I was going on about in a >preceding post, is a case of two songs with the same words but a different >chorus / title. How many of these can you think of? i can't think of any, but i can think of two songs by john and mary (lombardo and ramsey, now members of the post-natalie merchant 10,000 maniacs; john, of course, was a founding memeber of the band and left prior to their popularity explosion) which are note-for-note backward copies of each other: "red wooden beads" from _victory gardens_ and _angels in stone" from _the weedkiller's daughter_. also sprach "Thomas, Ferris" : >The Mentors! Egad! Haven't heard that name in ages. I'm almost sure >that's a good thing, too. everybody see that the angry samoans just released a new album a couple weeks ago? haven't heard it yet, alas. also sprach Eb : >I'm sorry, but I cannot give that spew a passing grade. For one, you >employed "Hello? McFly?" -- a smarmy pop-culture chestnut which tends to >make me pull out my sharpened hedge clippers and go postal. ^^^^^^^^^ pot. kettle. black. _apple venus 1_ is alright, but i'm not sure i really get the album yet. "green man" is the only song that really sticks to my ribs. "river of orchids" is kinda neat, but nothing else really is that striking. finally, veda hille was in the northeast over the past week. caught three shows (knitting factory on monday, trinity college in hartford on friday and the iron horse on saturday). wooo! she had the skilled and devoted band with her and they were great. wish i had remembered to say something about this earlier since i believe that the quail has become fond of her music recently and i imagine he would have attended the knitfac show if he had known (and could tear himself away from the randy newman box set). veda's back up in canada now: montreal on the 10th (club studio), and then peterborough on the 11th (gordon's best theater). i highly recommend it -- even though her drummer didn't bring the saw with him this tour! enough until next weekend... woj n.p. lida husik -- faith in space ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:47:27 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the week in feg Wojestrogen wrote: > >>I'm sorry, but I cannot give that spew a passing grade. For one, you >>employed "Hello? McFly?" -- a smarmy pop-culture chestnut which tends to >>make me pull out my sharpened hedge clippers and go postal. > ^^^^^^^^^ >pot. kettle. black. First off, that smirking "pot kettle black" line never fails to make its user look like an utter twit. Right up there with complaints about "straw man arguments" and "Don't hold back...tell us how you really feel. ;)" Secondly, what, you're saying I'm prone to quote popular teenager films? Eb PS Someone on the King Crimson mailing list would like us all to remember the true significance of 1999: "1999 is the tenth anniversary of the release of the much underrated Anderson/Bruford/Wakeman/Howe album." So there you go. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 03:38:07 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: the week in feg Eb wrote: > PS Someone on the King Crimson mailing list would like us all to remember > the true significance of 1999: "1999 is the tenth anniversary of the > release of the much > underrated Anderson/Bruford/Wakeman/Howe album." So there you go. Hehe, of course the REAL significance of 1999 is that it's the 25th anniversary of "Tales From Topograhpic Oceans" (like anyone doesn't have it marked on their calanders). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:14:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Late bulletin? >>>>> "Eb" == Eb writes: Eb> Authorities say that Jones was talking on a Eb> cell-phone to his daughter at the time of the accident--his Eb> daughter apparently heard the crash over the cell-phone." That's why, I guess, that cell-phones are now strongly recommended not to be used at all while driving in the UK. Had more close shaves on the bike with cell-phone eejits than eanything else. Last time I saw Robyn's car, it didn't have a cell-phone... Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 01:46:31 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: The People's Republic Of Santa Monica kieslowski, kurosawa, and now kubrick. will the karnage never end? seriously, though, kubrick was probably my second fave all time director after the coens. and a hero. and so on and so forth. but it's funny. i don't really consider it a black day. i was shocked when i heard the news, yes. a bit saddened. but, for all intents and purposes, kubrick died years ago. yeah, yeah, that's not true for the people who knew him. family and friends and what have you. but i only knew him from his movies. and the *two* movies he'd made since Barry Lyndon were shit (that's two movies since 1975, if you're scoring at home. well, i guess the first half of Full Metal Jacket was okay.) and who can doubt that Eyes Wide Shut will be any different? so, no. i don't consider it a "MAJOR CALAMITY!!" that he died today. i consider it a major tragedy that the man who had made The Killing, Paths Of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita, Dr. Strangelove, 2001, and A Clockwork Orange by the age of 45 didn't make bollocks for his remaining quarter-century on planet earth. if i may quote from the "web" page of ms. k reichstein: "i bear my cross of shame." you're too correct, quail. not all of us can have the enourmous resources of a Fashion Planet at our beck and call. but that shouldn't have deterred me from making the attempt, no matter how surely such attempt would have visited ignominy upon my entire "clan." apparently chris has left the band to make a record with peter cornell. why can't you accept me for who i am? for all my born days on planet earth, you've naught but stifled my creative impulses and criticised - --nay, *ridiculed*-- me for being "different." did it ever occur to you that i *don't want to* inherit the family business? that "broome and son" means *nothing* to me, and never will? i've found this generally to be the case. of course, if the bozo is drunk, all bets are off. those of you who have heard my sister's tape of the deuce will remember that some assjacks were carrying on a dipshitted conversation through many songs. finally, somebody said to them, "you know, this discussion is really edifying. i hope you continue it all night long." (he was employing a literary device known as "sarcasm," much like homer simpson has been known to do on occasion.) surprisingly, that shut 'em up good. oh, *now* you tell me! i just ordered! but, man. bayarddude. you ain't really saying that you're giving up the taping of "live" concert performances, are you? how can this be? i'll tell you what: it CANNOT be. (oh, before i forget. tracy, heard a toast reference this morning. listening to a boot from '85, and in Sounds Great When You're Dead, he sang the following variation: "baby you're so edible/i wish you were on toast/i'd take you over-easy/and then put you on a post.") anyway, here's my plan. next month is bayard's birthday. (bayard! the one and only compiler of the *deadly* "Unhatched Crablings" series. the keeper of the greatest "web" site of them all: "the glass hotel." the mastermind behind the [insert superlative, and raise it to the 666th power] "asking tree." the champion of the fegtree topiary. in other words, the closest thing fegkind has to a real, live, in the "flesh" deity.) april 29th, to be exact. otherwise known as the first anniversary of the "storefront gig." what say we all send bayard a sawbuck for his birthday, and he can replace his former taping rig with an even *better* one? so, it's a done deal then, yes? (of course, if you take the money and instead go hog-wild on ebay procuring spice girls memorabilia...well, i don't think anybody could blame you.) should be loads and loads of them. but i'm only thinking of a few. the famous aeroplane on Black Country Woman. uh, ani difranco put all the mistakes in the recording of Tiptoe onto the end of NOT A PRETTY GIRL. so they're immortalised. but they're clearly outtakes. as for robyn. - --the beginning of Superman is probably a mistake? - --and the beginning of Eight Miles High ("should i just start?" "when i say 'start'!") - --the bit in STOREFRONT where he botches his anti-religion rant. - --"that's the notes, fuckit! oh, sorry, wrong song. that one's coming later." - --he said one of the seven verboten words on "on the edge": robyn: are you taping this? whfs: yes. robyn: oh shit. (with the "i" skillfully removed, so that all those over thirty could sleep well at night knowing that all those under thirty couldn't for the life of them be able to figure out that he had actually said the word "shit.") whfs: [laugh] robyn: oh, well make sure: don't print anything controversial. if i start having opinions, i've had it, y'know? whfs: [laugh] robyn: i'm strictly whimsical. whfs: [laugh] robyn: i make wise cracks which apparently sometimes relate to the real world. whfs: ahhh... robyn: what were you saying? so, what the fuck eb? did you fucking get stung by a bee, or what? ebdude! two, count 'em, *two* references to wesley willis in the same week! what's next, you start rhymin' out some tool? hey-soos, man! the righteous darlings, who could be on ANY fucking label in the world if they so chose, opt instead to stick with a podunk indie label from backwatersville. meaning, (i presume) that you don't get any free sleater-kinney promo shit. and you can't fork over ten piddly bones to get their new "long-player"? that's pretty stinkin' bogus, if you don't mind my saying it. CALL THE DOCTOR is indeed in much the same vein as DIG ME OUT. but THE HOT ROCK is...well, you might say that THE HOT ROCK is as different from DIG ME OUT as is ELEMENT OF LIGHT from CAN OF BEES. no shit. it's a completely new direction. yeah, sure, it's not exactly PLEASE PLEASE ME to ABBEY ROAD in half a decade. but i do believe that they're only going to get better. they *are* a punk rock band, after all. but i'll tell you a little story. when corin came out to soundcheck for the bumbershoot gig, she brought along a little boombox, and proceeded to fire up All You Need Is Love. well, you say "a" major focal point, rather than "the" major focal point. so, how about neutral milk hotel, the egyptians, the who, the velvets, metallica, rush...uh, help me out here, vince. must be lots more, mustn't there? and, as eb and myself (aka "yours truly") were discussing at some length just last week, covered by guns 'n' roses (with a little bit of soundgarden's Big Dumb Sex tacked onto the end) on "THE SPAGHETTI INCIDENT?" the return of the hedblade!!!!! that bastard kubrick thought he could upstage you. but we know the *real* imporant news of the day, don't we fegs? the return of the hedblade!!!!! welcome back, good sir!!!!! not true. Rolling Stone interviewed him upon the release of Full Metal Jacket. <"1999 is the tenth anniversary of the release of the much underrated Anderson/Bruford/Wakeman/Howe album."> i wasn't marking the tenth anniversary or nuthin'. but it *is* a pretty good record. i enjoy it from time to time. http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:52:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The People's Republic Of Santa Monica Eddie: >seriously, though, kubrick was probably my second fave all time director >after the coens. Yeah...and maybe the reason Kubrick hadn't released a film during the '90s is that he was so intimidated by the Coens' output? Sheesh Eddie, come back in 20 years and see whose films are remembered more. >Santa Monica Boulevard to get some food. After burgering> > >so, what the fuck eb? did you fucking get stung by a bee, or what? No, I've miraculously managed to avoid bee-type creatures in recent months. Well, not counting a few women who stung me. > > >well, you say "a" major focal point, rather than "the" major focal >point. so, how about neutral milk hotel, the egyptians, the who, the >velvets, metallica, rush...uh, help me out here, vince. must be lots >more, mustn't there? Well, put it this way: I couldn't begin to tell you what the drummer of NMH or the Egyptians looks like. And as much as I love VU, I wouldn't really call Mo Tucker a "major focal point" either. And jeez, of COURSE, Keith Moon...I mean, I'd rather watch him play his instrument than ANYONE, really. Even Hendrix. Even Mike Watt. Even Ben Folds. Heck, even Bill Wyman. I really CAN'T come up with too many examples of "watchable" drummers, but then I suppose I could name a lot more if I was a big jazz concert-goer or more of a hard-rock dood like you. Let's see...David Narcizo of Throwing Muses. He always fascinated me. I'm also recalling one of the very first shows I ever saw: Laurie Anderson, backed by a band including drummer David Van Tiegham. Boy, that guy was fun to watch. But generally? I can't think of too many shows where I was consistently checking out a (non-singing) drummer. Bruford's interesting. John Bonham was undoubtedly exciting to watch (maybe Ginger Baker too?). Dave Grohl, with Nirvana. The girl drummer of Luscious Jackson is interesting. The drummers in Nomeansno. The Einsturzende Neubauten guys, but then they're wielding chainsaws and sheet metal so they're cheating. The old twin drummers in the Butthole Surfers. Umm...I can't come up with any others right now. So yeah, Janet's charisma with Sleater-Kinney was unusual to behold for me. Hmm...Stanley Kubrick. Sleater-Kinney. SK. Something cosmic going on here? Are we due for a Shonen Knife or Sam Kinison thread now? (But please, no Stephen King or Steve Kilbey, or I shall drift into slumber.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:07:02 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: That band-mention bandwagon >>*Bands That Mention Other Bands (sounds like a Fox special): > Spiritualized do one called "Cop Shoot Cop." np: Van's 'Philosopher's Stone.' ___________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer (860) 409-2612 EPG New Media McGraw-Hill Technology Division Farmington, CT mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:09:10 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Where have you gone... Joe DiMaggio. Earlier today. I've probably misspelled that.... ___________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer (860) 409-2612 EPG New Media McGraw-Hill Technology Division Farmington, CT mailto:ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) mailto:ferris@snet.net (home) http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:56:00 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Pre-Rex oddity On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, cinders blue wrote: > also sprach Michael R Godwin : > >'Shake and pop' / 'They call it rock', which I was going on about in a > >preceding post, is a case of two songs with the same words but a different > >chorus / title. How many of these can you think of? \ I've come up with another one! John's Childrens' 'Remember Thomas a Becket' (which is on the B-side of 'Desdemona') is the same song as 'Come and play with me in the garden', which was the follow-up single. You can clearly hear Marc Bolan's voice on 'Desdemona', but he's not featured noticeably on either 'Becket' or 'Garden'. Nice to see mentions of Prince Buster and Christine Collister in this week's posts. I used to go and see Clive Gregson and Christine Collister quite frequently, but I don't know what she's been doing since they split. If you fall on your face it's no disgrace - - Mike Godwin PS For those of you who think I'm stuck in 1966, I just bought Davey Graham's 'Afterhours' recorded as recently as 1967, and released 18 months ago - absolutely stunning, dazzling playing interrupted occasionally by drunk Hull University students ... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #85 ******************************