From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #83 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 6 1999 Volume 08 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Straight Outta Enola [Eb ] Re: Recording live shows... [Bayard ] xtc [Eb ] Weird, the things you stumble upon . . . [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Bob Dylan in songs [Bayard ] response [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] zappa [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #81 [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Mistakes in songs (was "... on such a winter's day") [Bayard ] Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets [GSS ] Re: As much as I HATE this thread... [Insomnboy@aol.com] On The Road [Joel Mullins ] Re: As much as I HATE this thread... [Michael Brage ] Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets ["she.rex" ] all authors, all the time [dmw ] Urgent Request! ["Michael R. Runion" ] glass hotel ["Bourgeois" ] Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:58:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Straight Outta Enola Eddie: >Chapter 2: The Lion Sleeps Tonite > >"Hello? McFly?" I'm sorry, but I cannot give that spew a passing grade. For one, you employed "Hello? McFly?" -- a smarmy pop-culture chestnut which tends to make me pull out my sharpened hedge clippers and go postal. For two, you didn't mention me in the text, and it's well-known 'round these parts that this is mandatory. Aaron, about AV1: >"Your Dictionary" and "I'd Like That" are the only two songs about which >my initial preference for the demos has not gone away. the album versions >have too much weight in them; the demos were unassuming and personal. And thus more "indie"-sounding, I assume? ;P Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:37:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Recording live shows... Hello, stealth taping enthusiasts. I own Core Sound mics and have been very pleased with them. They are pricer than your Radio Shack specials at $200+, but you can record mono, stereo, or binaural sound depending on placement. Alas, my portable DAT has given up the ghost and doesn't want to record any more, so I could be persuaded to sell (or give away) my mics. If you want new ones, check out http://www.core-sound.com/ Please note though, Eddie and Lobstie make fantastic quality tapes using (i think) the mics that came with their sony analog decks. Where you stand/sit is as important as anything! And as for interference from hair, in your case Mark, you'll have to stand on the other side of the room. The idea is to get close to the speakers if your mic(s) can stand that much sound pressure. (aside to Eb: maybe you were the guy who got beheaded?) =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:14:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: xtc Well, I guess I'm leaving for the XTC album signing. I'm pretty ambivalent about the wait, but oh well. And hopefully, the geek saturation won't be TOO high. I find it disturbing that some people would have the nerve to bring a dozen or so items to be signed (and/or have the chutzpah to try starting a full conversation with AP/CM, when there are hundreds of anxious people still in line), but that's starfucking for ya. Oh, and I'm wearing the ceremonial Yellow-Striped Shirt. Let the games begin. Eb, a bit pissed off at Virgin the label right now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:01:34 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Weird, the things you stumble upon . . . I was doing a general web search for Jorge Ben (I'm on yet another Brazilian pop music kick lately -- part of a cycle I go through), when one of the hits I got was: New releases from XTC, Robyn Hitchcock aim to please Obviously, I had to go take a look, thinking that there might be some really early review of "Jewels" or something. Turns out to be a *very* old article (for internet standards), but maybe one that someone might want to archive or link or whatever wickedness it is you Robynbase/Smoeland people do with your time :-) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V109/N12/record.12a.html - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Bob Dylan in songs > There's a webpage with all the various mentions > of Bob. It's huge. > > http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/edlis/barf.html what, no Dan Bern? Eddie, DO something! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:45:12 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: response On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:32:25 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:02:46 -0800 (PST) >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: "... on such a winter's day" > >On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >> And the Beach Boys, to whom they erroneously attribute "California Dreaming." > >You know what's funny? I never noticed this before. > >> my uncle Sid Yasgur (who was also related to the guy who played Boss >> Hogg on "The Dukes of Hazzard," but that's another story). I can tell >> you're impressed... > >Oh, man. Who cares about Boss Hogg (besides luther the redneck)?!? hey! I represent that remark!!! :-) but seriously, in robyn related news, this robyn tab list that going on is great! A question: has anybody heard what the other two egyptians have done since the split? It's been 5 years...has there been a peep? a guest appearance on someone else's record? A solo ep? - -luther (who was just listening to Willie Nelson earlier on... what this world needs is a few more Fegnecks!! (tm)) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:47:04 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: zappa On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:32:25 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:00:03 -0800 >From: "Russ Reynolds" >Subject: FZ referencing others > >>How about this, there's a Zappa song where he mentions how Warner Bros. >>sucks. Ten fegPoints to whomever can name it. >>Speaking of Frank, somewhere on 200 Motels he mentions a pair of tennis >>shoes he got from Jeff Beck. > >"Bands referenced by FZ" could be even lengthier than "songs by women." >Vanilla Fudge,Toto,Three Dog Night & Robert Planet spring to mind >immediately. ....and all on the album "Mudsharks!" -luther ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:49:37 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #81 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:32:25 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:15:48 +1300 (NZDT) >From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) >Subject: Bands who... > >>*Bands That Mention Other Bands (sounds like a Fox special): > >is this a good time to mention that I'm working on a song which has a >rhythm formed by me repeating the words "Gary Puckett and the Union Gap" >over and over? > >James ...and I'm working on one where the rhythm comes from the recitation of the phrase "Bam Bam Biggalo". Unrepentant Fegneck that i am....:-) -luther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:21:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Mistakes in songs (was "... on such a winter's day") Which reminds me. I've had for a long time another thread idea, one which surely will not be as explosive as the namecheck one, but perhaps interesting nonetheless. Songs with false starts in the singing, or more broadly, songs with other mistakes in them that got left in anyway. The Mamas and the Papas - "I saw her again". In the last chorus, one person starts too soon - "I saw her--, then starts over , "I saw her again" Same thing happens in "Louie Louie", though the guy catches himself quicker. (But the singing in that is so farked up, who knows if that's really what heppened?) Robyn Content! In the famous Soft Boys lady mitchell hall gig from 11/78, at the beginning of the opening track "....Anglepoise Lamp", someone comes in too soon. I think this take even got on a CD version of _Can of Bees_. As for other mistakes, on "Acid Bird" a wah-wah or chorus pedal was in the "fully depressed position" by accident but it sounded great. Can you think of more mistakes that made it to immortality? not quite in the fully depressed position, =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 23:08:57 From: "she.rex" Subject: Now playing - Fegbooks Page Hi all! You guys have been at it again! Various people took all my thoughts on T.Rex references, and Mojo Nixon, and the peanut butter thread seems to have petered, though I will make one comment there: Was anyone aware of the fact that peanut butter manufacturers are by law allowed a certain percentage of rat feces, hair and insect parts in their product? It's unavoidable. Of course, that's also the case with lots of other processed food, but it does give one pause. Personally, I will never look at those little brown bits in my Peter Pan and think they're just skin anymore. But hey - ya gotta live, right? Buying and grinding my own just doesn't cut it. The fresh stuff is too hard to eat. And I must have PBJ or PBH or PBH on a piece of bread rolled around a banana at least twice a week. Got pretty bogged down reading the last few days' posts and am still a couple of digests behind, so this may not be fully up to date, but... I finally got some webspace and the Fegmaniax Recommended Reading List is now up and running, though not yet connected to anything else. The addy is: http://members.xoom.com/SheRex/fegbooks.htm Note: This address is case-sensitive, so it must be typed as-is. Also, in case anyone's interested, there is also a Tim Curry radio interview from 1978/9 (with pictures) on my site at: http://members.xoom.com/SheRex/fegbooks.htm And a travelogue of our trip to Las Vegas in the fall (also with pictures) at: http://members.xoom.com/SheRex/vegas1.htm Enjoy and please send your comments! She.Rex - ------------------- I'm too tired to type up the obligatory T.Rex lyrics now, so all of you just sing _The Groover_ to yourselves, ok? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:36:46 -0600 From: GSS Subject: Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets Greetings Fellow Biodegradables, she.rex wrote: > peanut butter manufacturers are by law allowed a certain percentage of > rat feces, hair and insect parts in their product? There has to be some beneficial nutrients in feces, I mean rats can't be all that efficient. Hell, plants like it. Peter Pan Plus 8 Crunchy, rules!!!! And look, I have shortened my name to appease someone who criticized the length, about a year ago. Regards, GSS Subversive Specialist Capitalist np: Caress of Steel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:41:46 EST From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: As much as I HATE this thread... In a message dated 3/5/99 12:01:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, capuchin writ: > Man... this reminds me of another GREAT They Might Be Giants tune. > > The day Marvin Gaye and Phil Ochs got married > The trees all waved their giant arms > And happiness bled from every street corner > And biplanes bombed with fluffy pillows Also remember that the second verse (second verse, same as the first!) of this is sung inna faux John Lennon stylee bwah!!!!! Jah mon, Russell inna LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:35:51 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: On The Road Hello everyone. I'm leaving tomorrow morning for my trip. I'll be gone for about ten days, so I'm gonna unsubscribe from the list. But I'll resubscribe when I return. And I should have a lot to tell you guys about. I've got tickets to two Elliott Smith shows and one Sleater-Kinney show. Three nights in a row too. It should be a really great trip. Anyway: ROSS/SHE.REX -- Sorry it's taken me so long to get you your CDs. They're on their way. Or at least they will be by tomorrow. Hope you enjoy it. GREGORY -- Hope to see you at the Dallas ES show. Just remember to look for the John Cale button. I'll be looking for some weirdo with his face about six inches from my button, trying to figure out what it is. EB/DANIELLE -- I'll be taking Can You Still Feel? with me to listen to on the road. The only problem is that I'm also taking lots of Robyn, Elliott, Quasi, John Cale, etc. But I should have plenty of opportunities to listen to Jason. I'm hoping that this trip will be the time when I get really turned on to the new album. We'll see. I hope everyone has a good week. If anyone needs to send me anything, please send it off list to skmull@swbell.net or I won't get it. Later guys. =Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:01:53 -0800 From: Michael Brage Subject: Re: As much as I HATE this thread... Fegs, The mention of JWH reminds me that John Wesley Harding has a new record out (it may be a month or so old). Can anyone provide comments? I've not really enjoyed his last few efforts. Sorry if this has already been discussed, I've moved and just got back on the list after 6 to 7 months off. Michael At 11:58 AM 3/5/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Jean Katherine Rossner wrote: >> John Wesley Harding: "Bastard Son" starts out "Bob Dylan is my father, >> Joan Baez is my mother, and I'm their bastard son" and goes on to mention >> everybody else he regards as an influence. I think "Talking Return of the >> Great Folk Scare Blues" has a bunch of names but now I can't remember. >> Other songs include "Roy Orbison Knows", "Elvis Has Left the Building" (oh >> no--is this going to start a sub-thread of songs that mention Elvis?), and >> "Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Steve Goodman, David Blue, and Me". > >Man... this reminds me of another GREAT They Might Be Giants tune. > >The day Marvin Gaye and Phil Ochs got married >The trees all waved their giant arms >And happiness bled from every street corner >And biplanes bombed with fluffy pillows > >Oh yeah. >Words. >-- >________________________________________________________ > >J A Brelin Capuchin >________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:28:21 From: "she.rex" Subject: Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets GSS wrote: >There has to be some beneficial nutrients in feces, I mean rats can't be >all that efficient. Hell, plants like it. Oh, certainly! It's all protein. >Peter Pan Plus 8 Crunchy, rules!!!! Yes it does! Feces and all - that's what it's gonna be anyway, right? She.Rex (p.s. I'm unclear on the didacts and narpets... are they protein, too?) - ----------------------- Buick, Buick Buick Mackane will ya Buick Mackane will ya be my girl? Be my girl? Rainy lady Queen of the rock will ya Help me roll? Help me roll to my soul? Slider, slider You're just a sexual glider You're just a sexual glider Be my plane in the rain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: all authors, all the time On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Jean Katherine Rossner wrote: > >(not specifically written for the ocassion) that namechecks as many > >novelists as amy rigby's (sadly unrecorded as yet) "faulkner's maalox," or > >indeed any other pop song that mentions "margaret drabble" at all. > > I thought I had one for you, but that was a memory blip. Margaret Atwood, > not Margaret Drabble. (OK, and since I don't know the Amy Rigby song I > can't compare numbers.) But try Moxy Fruvous' "My Baby Loves a Bunch of > Authors": "You should see my storyreading baby/You should hear the things i only heard the faulkner song once and remember it imperfectly; but i'd say that's at least a tie. i kept waiting for bayard to menion the !volare! song "we won't coooperate," in which the chorus is "!volare!" several times over, but he never did, so now i have. i spent much of last evening watching two snakes crawling under the clothes of three young women. tentacles would appear and disappear in startling ways; strange bulges would ripple across a torso or a sleeve. the effect was so forcibly lovecraftian as to make me wonder if ol' howard had friends who inadequately tried to conceal their reptilian pets from him, and that the gentleman's prose might be far more naturalistic than i had hitherto imagined. - -- d. "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen n.p. christine collister _the dark gift of time_ p.s. th 1/apr/1999 velvet lounge wash dc. i shudder to think what may befall our woeful audience on such a day. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:07:10 -0800 From: "Michael R. Runion" Subject: Urgent Request! Hey all, Help. My local PBS station has suddenly decided to stop airing "Sessions at West 54th", and tonight's show is a Vic Chesnutt / Lucinda Williams show. I'm pulling my hair out. Might there be any kindly fegs out there with a spare VCR just sitting around that could tape this show for me? I'll reimburse you kindly with a new video tape and two tapes of your choice from my live Robyn stash (or whatever else you might want or demand...check www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/bootlegs.htm) Pretty please? Also, finally caught Robyn last night on that VH1 Midnight Minute. Great, but oh so short. Ugh. There was a rather cool coincidence (or was it?...QUAIL!!). We taped it as we were out, and we got back in around 12:30 or so, played the bit, Robyn ends doing a quick spoken "You and David Crosby" just as the time runs out. We stopped the tape, and VH1 was doing a CSN Behind The Music show! Cool. Okay, back to you guys. Anyone that could help me out with the Sessions tape will be forever in my debt. Mike RUnIOn (embarking in two weeks to head to Atlanta for a solo Vic Chesnutt / solo Kevn Kinney double bill!...Ken Sabatini, you out there?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:09:44 -0600 From: "Bourgeois" Subject: glass hotel Hey Guys, I'm here in Austin on my trip. I want to show my friend Glass Hotel, = but I can't remember the URL. Could someopne please send it to this = address? Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:42:31 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Rat Tails, Didacts and Narpets Adhesive Philatelist, or whatever regal title he's awarding himself this week: >And look, I have shortened my name to appease someone who criticized the >length, about a year ago. > >Regards, >GSS >Subversive >Specialist >Capitalist You shortened the wrong part of your signoff, dude. (As if you didn't know.) And now, addressing the Fgz at large.... I had a fun day yesterday. First, there was the XTC album signing at the Virgin Megastore. I don't have anything resoundingly entertaining to say about this event, but it was nice to say hi to Andy/Colin, get a few things signed and ask a couple of wee questions. I saw a couple friends there too, so that was a bonus. There weren't as many people as I expected. Traffic was bad (Friday afternoon!), so I got there later than I intended, at about 4:45 (the signing was scheduled for 6). However, I ended up being only the 15th or so person in line. Huh. I wondered if throngs of people would be lined up by 2 pm, judging from the tearful hysteria about the meetings I had observed on the Chalkhills list ("one of the greatest days of my life," "I could hardly speak, I was so overwhelmed," etc. etc. etc.). Neither Andy nor Colin made any disparaging comments about my Yellow-Striped Shirt, I'm afraid -- in hindsight, perhaps I should've goaded them for their impressions. Hey, come to think of it now, I could've even posted the quotes on my website. Oops. Anyway, after the signing, I somewhat spontaneously decided that I really shouldn't miss the Sleater-Kinney show that night at the Roxy (they also play tonight, incidentally). Since in this case, I would have to buy a ticket, I walked up to the box office to see if it was already sold out (this is about 8 pm). Aha, tickets still available. What's more, they were only $10 (that's cheap, for the Roxy). So I bought a ticket, and then walked back down to the gay block of Santa Monica Boulevard to get some food. King Missile III was also playing at the nearby Troubadour, it turned out...that was mildly tempting as well. After burgering, I went back to the Roxy about a hour later, in time to catch nearly all the set of the opening band, the Sub Debs. Bad move. They were absolutely HORRIBLE. The worst live band I've seen in ages, if memory serves. Gawwd. They were another grrl-eque trio from Olympia, but completely devoid of anything resembling talent or originality. All they did was get the image, attitude and barrettes right -- that's not enough for me. There are no ins and outs at the Roxy, unfortunately, so I was forced to cower in a corner while these painfully feeble idiots chirped and bounced their little dorkgirl anthems, backed with painfully crude chord progressions that even the Kingsmen would find unimaginative. Lousy start to the evening. But guess what? Yep, Sleater-Kinney whipped the horse's ass. Though I only have one of their albums as yet (Dig Me Out), I'm still inclined to think I might find their other releases a bit sonically one-dimensional. I have a hard time finding much subtlety in that siren-blast vocal delivery -- their appeal seems to be about pure physical sensation, more than anything else. But *live*, this approach was wonderous. The added visuals really helped...the guitarist trying out a few Pete Townshend windmills and actually pulling them off, the impecabbly made-up singer with her fresh dye job and startlingly perfect teeth wailing away in that white-hot piercing voice...and oh, the drummer! It's pretty rare that a drummer can be a major focal point of a band, but boy, Janet sure is. Her playing was as powerful as any guy's, and she was the most fun to watch of all of them, what with all her tricky wrist-crossing and skewed irregular patterns. I didn't get such a charge out of seeing her with Quasi, but then, Quasi's music isn't as demanding of her talents. I couldn't understand a damn word sung all night, but the sheer power of the attack was overwhelming. They obviously have been inspired by Throwing Muses' geometrically gnawing rhythms (a common ground which didn't really strike me, upon hearing Dig Me Out), but they never get eggheaded about it - -- there's always a direct, gnashing rock 'n' roll power to the sound, which Throwing Muses only managed in a few isolated tracks. Bravo. It certainly wasn't a show about nuance or ideas, but as a cathartic, kick-ass display of rock 'n' roll fire, this gig was hard to beat. The crowd was completely *nuts* for them, of course -- they knew every song within about three beats, and screamed accordingly. Definitely not the typical jaded Sunset Strip crowd. (Oh, as far as starfucking goes, the only "star" in the building was a guy named something like David Koetchner who was on SNL a couple of years ago. I think his main claim to fame was being one of those two nancy-boy Renaissance-dressed guys who were in fawning awe of all the show's guest hosts and said "urr urr orr" ad nauseam -- he was the one who wasn't Mark McKinney. Remember? Anyway....) Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #83 ******************************