From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #69 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 08 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: VH1 minute thingie. [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: VH1 minute thingie. [Capuchin ] Re: Che cosa e il fascismo? [The Great Quail ] Jason Falkner [Joel Mullins ] Lo lascero cadere [Christopher Gross ] doubleplus whee! [Eb ] Apple Venus thoughts from a fairly neutral observer [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Plastic People of the Universe in DC, 2/26/99 [Christopher Gross ] Happy the Golden Prince [Tracy Aileen Copeland ] Re: Plastic People of the Universe in DC, 2/26/99 [The Great Quail ] Leave me the fuck alone. [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:22:20 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: VH1 minute thingie. In a message dated 2/23/99 8:57:20 AM, jh3@netins.net writes: << I just bothered the VH1 people again about this, and they actually came through this time with a Midnight Minute schedule for the next three weeks. They're still not going to post it on the web, but hey, every little bit helps. As you can see, Robyn is scheduled for March 5: >> Cool! Okay, now, just to clarify: Is this literally a one minute segment and does it literally begin at midnight? It just seems like it'd be really easy to miss, so I wanna have all my facts straight. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: VH1 minute thingie. On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/23/99 8:57:20 AM, jh3@netins.net writes: > << I just bothered the VH1 people again about this, and they actually came > through this time with a Midnight Minute schedule for the next three weeks. > They're still not going to post it on the web, but hey, every little bit > helps. As you can see, Robyn is scheduled for March 5: >> > Cool! Okay, now, just to clarify: Is this literally a one minute segment > and does it literally begin at midnight? It just seems like it'd be really > easy to miss, so I wanna have all my facts straight. There's a sixty second counter up in the corner that begins a couple of seconds after the artist appears on screen, but right about the time the song begins(-ish). The sustained note at the end of the song carries longer than one second after the 0 is onscreen. It begins very nearly at midnight, but sometimes a several minutes before (but not so often after, from my experience). I have no idea what 60 seconds of 1974 sounds like. Je. -- who remembers not even 15 seconds of 1974. I had other things going on. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 14:56:32 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Che cosa e il fascismo? >well, i think we're really going around in circles at this point. so >even though the quail insists that he's been reading this debate >"religiously," i think i'll wrap it up Yes indeed! As a matter of fact, I have translated your ENTIRE debate into faux Scots dialect! Give me a few minutes to split it up into ten volumes, and I'll start posting this afternoon. . . . . - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:30:52 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Jason Falkner Well, I got the new Jason Falkner album today. In fact, the FedEx man was at my door at 11:00 this morning with it. That's some damn good service! Having a brand new album delivered to your door at 11:00 on the morning it was released is pretty cool! Anyway, I've listened to most of it once, but don't have much of an opinion yet. I'll listen to it some more and then send my comments. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Lo lascero cadere On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Eddie "Il Stucciatore di Polli" Tews wrote: > well, i think we're really going around in circles at this point. so > even though the quail insists that he's been reading this debate > "religiously," i think i'll wrap it up on this end, and let chris have > the final word (but you can assume that i disagree with him!) Dammit, that's what *I* planned to say! You beat me to the high ground! Oh, well, I always was a slowpoke.... ;) But I'm going to pass on the offer of the last word, not because I want to compete for the title of most generous debater but simply because I don't have time right now to hash out a reply. So I'll just say that I continue to disagree with Eddie on numerous issues, both factual and interpretive, and we'll leave it at that. As for the Quail reading our debate "religiously," well, when you consider that the Quail's religion is a syncretic mix of Discordianism and Cthulhu-worship, this is actually a pretty scary idea. And at the risk of sounding churlish, I must say I'm pretty miffed that no one seemed to pick up on my Monty Python reference. - --Chris np: Meat Beat Manifesto, "Book of Shadows" (on a Nothing Records sampler) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:18:49 -0800 From: Eb Subject: doubleplus whee! I got an advance disc of the new Tom Waits album, Mule Variations, today! Don't have time this afternoon to play it, but WHEEEEE! 16 tracks, *70:40* long! Yes! I have a feeling that the XTC album has just been decisively upstaged. :) I also received a nine-page interview, along with the disc...that should be hilarious to read. Maybe I'll post a few notable quotes, at some point. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:18:12 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Apple Venus thoughts from a fairly neutral observer Took one listen to the new XTC album today. I think it's quite good! I liked it more than anything since "Skylarking" (although not nearly as much, but, heck, that'd be hard to beat). There were quite a few songs that really caught my ear -- and I was listening while working, so some entire albums can pretty much go by unnoticed. No new territory covered, but that's okay. Just good material, well performed and well produced. Yadda-yadda. Anyway, if you're a big fan, you'll probably be really happy. If you're a medium fan (who would maybe own 3-5 XTC albums), then I'd think this one might be one to add to the collection. For myself, I'll probably enjoy listening to it over the next several months and leave it at that . . . then again, it could become a keeper. Most likely, it'll make something like the latter half of my year- end Top 20. [the type of elite list that'll make or break ya!] That's m' two cents! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Plastic People of the Universe in DC, 2/26/99 Attention, DC-area Fegs! The famous Czech band Plastic People of the Universe will be playing at the Black Cat this Friday, Feb. 26. Plastic People were formed in the late sixties; became famous when band members and their supporters were arrested for "organized disturbance of the peace" in 1976, prompting the formation of the dissident human rights group Charter 77; and reformed in 1997 for Charter 77's twentieth anniversary celebration. As for their actual music ... well, I have to admit I've never heard it. However, I've read one article comparing them to Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and another comparing them to the Velvet Underground, the Doors, and early King Crimson. And they're Czech! Just like my buddies Uz Jsme Doma! What more need you ask? So come on out to the Black Cat, 1831 14th St. NW in Washington DC. Call their concert line at 202-667-7960 for more information. And Fegs in other cities, keep your eyes open; the Plastic People tour might not have passed you by yet. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:38:20 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: eh -oh? uh, how many of you watch this show on a regular basis? I've seen it once, and It filled me with an intense urge ` to smoke pot again (and listen to yes)... -luther > >Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:30:51 -0800 >From: Eb >Subject: Re: tubbie time > >I'm willing to bet that nasty Noo Noo has sucked more than just the floor >and furniture. He's the REAL poofter in the Teletubbies gang, if you ask me. > >Eb, imagining the object of Noo Noo's affection clapping his hands and >chirping "Again! Again! Again!" > >------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:06:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: dare I say WHEE(tm)? [#4 in an occasional series] Just finished playing the new Tom Waits album, "Mule Variations." It's *fantastic*. Wheeeee! X-T-who? "Apple" what? You might as well shut the ballot box, because 1999's best album is already here. No doubt. I don't see too much point in making detailed comments about the disc, because everyone already knows Waits' sound and style, and there aren't really any new wrinkles here. (Besides, Waits is a classic love-him-or-hate-him artist -- it's fairly futile to "convert" people.) But goddamn, is this album wonderful. "Bone Machine" and "The Black Rider" were brilliant, but the thing that concerned me about them was that Waits seemed to be entering this rut where he was being grating for its own sake, and kinda using "weirdness" as a crutch at the expense of songwriting. The new one isn't so over-the-top ugly -- it's a lot more song-based, and closer in feel to "Rain Dogs" and "Swordfishtrombones." And no, I don't hear any major creative growth beyond his past work, but do I care? Not really, considering how many incredible albums he has released during his career. "House Where Nobody Lives" actually made me TEARY, and that can't be a bad thing (so take that, those who accuse me of being terminally underwhelmed and jaded). On first listen, I'll give it a 18/20 on the Ebby scale, even ranked above Neutral Milk Hotel's last album (yes). My favorite new album since, well...probably Automatic for the People in 1992. Superlative! , GB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:20:13 +1300 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Mac Attack > The> Aye, ah cannae recommend this book mair highly, ye ken? > >Oh dear; close but no cigar. Trying to use the dialect from a small, >dry, cold, smelly town forty eight miles east of Glasgow in a public >message list is neither big nor clever. or, in cricketing terms, he gave it too much Ayr. > Eb> Did you know that's supposedly Paul McCartney making the > Eb> "chomping noises"? Or so legend has it.... > >His most noteworthy contribution to popular music, then. oh, come on... what about the 'partying-up large' noises on Mellow Yellow? Or the advertising jingle that forms the bridge of Godley & Creme's "Get well soon"? :) James James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:56:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: earworming >>>>> "Natalie" == Natalie Jacobs writes: Natalie> I find that "Wonderwall" is very effective for this Natalie> purpose, as well. It has other connotations for me. My flatmate's band used to have a drummer called Chris who was really good if and only if he was completely stoned. But if he got too stoned, he wanted to sing Oasis songs while strumming an acoustic. His raddled thoat produced an effect like: "I said behhbehhhhy, you're gonna be the one that sehhhhhves mehhhhhh...." Ah, memories. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:06:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Village Voice Pazz & Jop poll (best of 1998) [.86% RH content] Hey Fgz, The 1998 Village Voice Pazz & Jop poll is now posted on the web, for those like me and Vivian who are interested. The URL is http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/winners.shtml. A whopping 496 critics participated, which is why I find the results of this poll to be the most interesting/definitive (though with that many critics involved, the results do run slightly conservative). The poll actually lists the top *1243* finishers, including every artist who was cited on a ballot. Sheesh. I jotted down some rankings for ya, based on artists discussed on the list during 1998 (no album titles, because I'm lazy): 1. Lucinda Williams 2. Lauryn Hill 3. Bob Dylan (hmpf...I still say it's ineligible) 4. Billy Bragg & Wilco (I like it a lot, but I'm surprised that it placed this high) 5. Elliott Smith 6. OutKast 7. P J Harvey (good, but overrated) 8. Air (aww, come on...it's fun and all, but it's practically MUZAK!) 9. Beastie Boys 10. RUFUS WAINWRIGHT (I *told* you!!!) 11. Beck (see #7) 12. R.E.M. (miles overrated) 13. Belle & Sebastian 14. Hole 15. NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL (considering what a small label Merge is, that's pretty damn amazing...note that it's one of only three independent releases in the top 20, and Matador and Caroline are a lot bigger than Merge) 16. Massive Attack 17. Liz Phair 18. Elvis Costello/Burt Bacharach 19. Garbage 20. Mercury Rev - ---- 22. Pulp 25. Quasi (wow, I had no idea it was this acclaimed. Like someone else here suggested, this has gotta be riding Elliott's critical coattails...heck, I liked the previous Quasi album better) 27. Vic Chesnutt 30. Eels 41. Sonic Youth 53. Afghan Whigs 60. Brian Wilson ( the old-timers rear their graying heads...) 73. Tori Amos 78. Dirty Three 83. Spinanes 90. Lyle Lovett 108. Calexico 111. Grant Lee Buffalo 137. Spiritualized (this is endlessly better than #20 Mercury Rev, in a similar vein...sheesh) 139. Jeff Buckley 141. The Divine Comedy 182. Robbie Robertson (hi eddie), Stereolab and others 189. Portishead (ouch!), Bob Mould, Barenaked Ladies (arrrgh) and others 196. Neil Finn 206. ROBYN HITCHCOCK, Momus, Kristin Hersh (Strange Angels), Phish and others 235. Soul Coughing 281. The Loud Family 296. Lambchop, Plush (sorry, Kristy! ;)) and others 353. Barry Adamson, Sean Lennon and others 372. Add N to X (I can't remember who here loved this band :)) 453. John Lennon (Anthology) 469. Dan Bern (Fifty Eggs...was that released during 1998?) 481. The Posies 521. John Lennon (Wonsaponatime) 591. Momus (a different album from #206) 601. Ray Davies 622. Kristin Hersh (the mail-order release) 681. Peter Blegvad 761. The High Llamas (ouch) 961. The Teletubbies Album 995. Buffalo Tom (awww, come on...this was an excellent disc) 1086. Frank Black & the Catholics (ouch again) Um, enjoy.... Eb, flexin' my weenie muscles (so to speak) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:32:39 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: eh-oh? David W. Dudich wrote: > > uh, how many of you watch this show on a regular basis? > > I've seen it once, and It filled me with an intense urge > ` to smoke pot again (and listen to yes)... Well, I can't say I watch it regularly, but as I have a 3 year old daughter, I've seen it probably 6 or 7 times. I was home sick with her on Monday and we made sure we caught it. I don't know about y'all, but I damn sure love the show! It's just so out there compared with standard American kiddy-fare. The cackling baby in the sun...the evil swirling windmill that makes 'em run scared for their life until they are stopped short by its demonic hum...the way weird shit just drops out of that perfect springtime sky (I didn't know they had skies like that in the UK)...the way they just bounce around through the flowers the entire half-hour doing next to nothing. I give the 'Tubbies a big thumbs up! (and yeah, it always brings back rushing memories of seeing 'Brazil' for the first time stoned out of my head). Runion (who thinks Po is cute) __________________________________________ Sent using WebInbox. "Your email gateway." Check us out at http://www.webinbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:20:33 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Apple Venus on the half shell Sooo.... The new XTC album came out yesterday. I went out at lunch to buy it. A very attractive cover - a peacock feather printed in realistic iridescent ink - and a fundamental tenet of the Wiccan religion printed on the back in very small letters ("Do what you will but harm none"). Interesting. Overall impressions so far: very nice, good production, elegant orchestral arrangements, solid songwriting for the most part, and moments of stunning beauty. Most of the songs are a great improvement over the demo versions: the addition of a rhythm section and the new arrangements makes a big difference. There are some dull patches and awkward bits, but the good stuff is so good that it all gets balanced out. Andy Partridge hasn't lost his touch - though I fear that Colin Moulding has; his contributions are markedly poor. Fortunately there's only two of them. All in all, I give this album a qualified "Wheeee!!" and an 8/10. Favorite tracks: River of Orchids, Greenman, Harvest Festival Least favorite tracks: Fruit Nut, The Last Balloon So go buy it, already! :) n. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Happy the Golden Prince Oscar Wilde wrote a fairy tale, _The Happy Prince_, about a golden statue that is taken apart for the sake of love. Not much in the way of insects in it, though. P.S. I just got a book called "Toasters" by Elaine Marie Alphin. Did you know that Claes Oldenburg did a sculpture of a soft toaster? This book is as good as _The Complete Works of Oscar Wilde_. - -- #! /usr/local/bin/perl $o=8889100880689;$s='1f6f544f';$o*=5;for(27,o(split//,$o),54){print t($_)}sub o{for(@_){$_||(push@a,0)&&next;/3/?push@a,$_.=4:/5/?push@a ,$_.=3:push@a,$_.=chop$s}@a}sub t{chr(hex($_)+32)} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 11:49:53 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Plastic People of the Universe in DC, 2/26/99 Chris Gross writes, >The famous Czech band Plastic People of the Universe will be playing at >the Black Cat this Friday, Feb. 26. And they're Czech! Just like my buddies Uz Jsme Doma! >What more need you ask? Um, Chris -- how much *is* Vaclav Havel paying you? And do you get to hang out with Lou Reed? - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:13:01 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: ain't it great? Celine Dion is expected to win a Grammy for her 'Titanic' song! [insert your own sarcastic remark here] lj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Leave me the fuck alone. On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Natalie Jacobs wrote of the new XTC: > and a fundamental tenet of the Wiccan religion printed on > the back in very small letters ("Do what you will but harm none"). > Interesting. Well, lots of people have said it in lots of contexts... Crowley had his "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" and then there's the old "An it harm none, do what thou wilt"... But I don't think neopagans can take credit for such a basic philosophy... nor do I think that a person who holds said ideal should be necessarily linked to any sort of spirituality. (Though I'm inclined to believe Partridge in particular grooves on some wacky pseudomystical nature worship stuff, for sure.) As I said to an extremely dear friend just two days ago, as the world becomes more fractionated... as subcultures continue to splinter yet gain strength... the most liberal outward policy must become accepted by all. You can't practice your nutty geekdom without letting someone just as nutty practice next door. I said something similar on the list way back when about the emerging political doctrine of the next century. Does anyone remember when I posted that? Oh... and while I'm on the subject, eddie, do you remember exactly when Quail and I had that discussion about what's behind the universe? Where he prattled on about love and I went off on a long-winded rant that he enjoyed rather than took offensively? I guess that's all the time... but I'm looking for something specific and my time-sense is poor. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #69 ******************************