From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #68 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 08 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My own personal archives. [Capuchin ] Re: anyone know where I can get this??/ fegbooks [Stewart Russell 3295 An] Re: Filth Recommendation [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] earworming [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Randi update [Bayard ] Re: Whoa!!! [lj lindhurst ] Fascism in NYC [Gregory Stuart Shell ] Re: Whoa!!! [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Fascism in NYC [Eb ] Review of A Slipping-Down Life [Richard Plumb at NTAC ] VH1 minute thingie. [Capuchin ] Re: VH1 minute thingie. [Joel Mullins ] Re: Another Review of A Slipping-Down Life [MARKEEFE@aol.com] One more book... ["she.rex" ] ES on SNL [Joel Mullins ] Sally Is Still A Legend at Cyberspace Hitchcock [Christopher Donnell ] Re: VH1 minute thingie. ["JH3" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: My own personal archives. You know, a chat with a friend got me browsing my saved mail folders tonight. I found out a few things: I am the "Feglist scourge". Someone passed me the mantle, apparently. I forget who. Someone once told ME to take my flirting offlist. Weird. My bumbershoot travelogue was so good, I should never have written anything ever again. Apparently eddie LOVES reading my posts. Best subject line ever? Oh, this wins it. Subject: Capuchin, Campion, crankiness and cultural imperialism (no Robyn) Thanks for putting up with a little self-gratification. Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:18:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: anyone know where I can get this??/ fegbooks >>>>> "lj" == lj lindhurst writes: lj> Scottish dialect, it translates into 'used coffee filter'. lj> Right, Stewart??) It basically just means 'person', usually male, which is odd, when you think about it. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:37:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Filth Recommendation >>>>> "The" == The Great Quail writes: The> Aye, ah cannae recommend this book mair highly, ye ken? Oh dear; close but no cigar. Trying to use the dialect from a small, dry, cold, smelly town forty eight miles east of Glasgow in a public message list is neither big nor clever. I. Welsh is overrated. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:38:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: My Vega-table Friend >>>>> "Eb" == Eb writes: Eb> Did you know that's supposedly Paul McCartney making the Eb> "chomping noises"? Or so legend has it.... His most noteworthy contribution to popular music, then. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:12:59 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Randi update I talked to Randi on Friday night. She is out of the hospital and convalescing at her friend Tim's house. I asked her if she had any message to pass on to the list, and she said she wants everyone to stop posting until she catches up with all the digests. (She's about 20 digests behind right now.) So everyone stop, OK? Incidentally, Bayard, I'd like to nominate Randi for Feg of the Millenium. Can you put that on your website? n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:17:43 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: earworming >>Okay, who was it that recommend The Beach Boys' Web Sounds/SMiLE >>thing? For the last three days I have had 'Vegetables' [or >>'Vega-Tables', as the web site has it] stuck in my head. > >When I find myself in that sort of situation I call on one final drastic >resource - > >all together now! "Mahna mahna, ba doo be doo be! Mahna mahna, ba doo be doo!" I find that "Wonderwall" is very effective for this purpose, as well. "I said baaabyyyyyy, you're gonna be the one that saaaaaaves meeeeeee...." (Of course, this is like curing a headache by banging your head against a wall...) "... and after aaaaaaalllll, you're my wonderwaaaaallll...." n. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:42:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Randi update On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > Incidentally, Bayard, I'd like to nominate Randi for Feg of the Millenium. > Can you put that on your website? Does anyone have a picture of her? Tim? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:38:06 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Whoa!!! >Siskel died! Yes, I find this very, very sad. It's true what they say-- he and Roger Ebert did so much to encourage intelligent discourse about film, yet still managed to keep it on a lively, spirited level. Plus, he seemed like a really nice guy. There's a whole lot of great stuff about him and film criticism in general at the Chicago Tribune Web site: http://www.chicagotribune.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:58:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: Fascism in NYC Giuliani is a fascist pig. I have complete distaste for the sorry ass drunks that get behind the wheel and put the lives of innocent people in even greater risk. 3 people to whom I have had very close relationships have been killed by drunks. In fact the person who killed my girlfriend was a repeat offender. The man walked away from the wreck, went to his house and I believe they found him the next morning asleep in his bed. This person had a record of drunk driving arrests that went back to 1972 and had killed at least one other person while driving drunk in a seperate incident, which of course could not be used as evidence in his trial, only during sentencing. If I have the previledge of ever coming face to face with the bastard, we won't have to worry about him driving drunk again. So as you can see, I have a particular distaste for these type of people. But giving a cop the ability to take the car of someone just because they are accused of something, before they are even brought to court, much less before they are convicted of anything, is wrong. This is FASCISM. Regards, Gregory S. Shell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:57:11 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Whoa!!! In a message dated 2/22/99 8:43:06 AM, ljl@echonyc.com writes: << Yes, I find this very, very sad. It's true what they say-- he and Roger Ebert did so much to encourage intelligent discourse about film, yet still managed to keep it on a lively, spirited level. Plus, he seemed like a really nice guy. >> Ditto to those sentiments . . . and, after watching part of the show last night, I think I'll kill myself if this new guy (what was his name? Shales?) becomes a regular. What a doofusy dud! I guess he'll be on next week, too -- for all those who missed this weekend's show and are wondering what the hairstyle of the new millennium will be ;-) We miss ya, Gene! :-) - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:19:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fascism in NYC >Giuliani is a fascist pig...This is FASCISM. Uh...yeah, ok. Now back to our scheduled programming.... > From: voodoosoul72@hotmail.com > Newsgroups: alt.music,alt.music.alternative,alt.fan.muchmusic,alt.tv.mtv > Subject: Rufus Wainwright Chat Tonight..2/22 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:20:35 GMT > > Rufus Wainwright Chat > Mon, February 22, 8:00 PM EST > http://channels.sonicnet.com > > Singer-songwriter wunderkind Rufus > Wainwright topped many critics lists > last year with his self-titled > Dreamworks debut. Get > his illustrious family history, his > future plan and discuss "the energy > of the pop song!" Eb, who thinks Shales hasn't found his "rhythm" yet, but didn't do too bad a job with Ebert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Plumb at NTAC Subject: Review of A Slipping-Down Life Found a review of the film which contains Robyn's compositions. It doesn't sound real cheery, but books written by Anne Tyler usually have a happy ending. - -------------------------------------------------- Stars: Lili Taylor, Guy Pearce, Tom Bower You know the kind of obsessive crush that eats you alive? Evie (Lili Taylor) does. A pathetic 20-something still living with her dad, Evie's got it so bad for local rocker Drumstring Casey (Guy Pearce) that she carves his name into her forehead and offers herself up as a publicity tool for the band. Drum treats her like a kind of freak until he decides that she brings him luck, and asks her to marry him. What's so disturbing is that writer-director Toni Kalem (adapting Anne Tyler) presents Evie's self-mutilation as a form of empowerment with Evie undergoing a blossoming transformation. The romance, which is based on selfishness and desperation, is really just a sick schoolgirl's fantasy played out on-screen. == Rich reply to either: rplumb@cais.com or billytell@yahoo.com webpage: http://www.dc.net/rplumb/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Plumb at NTAC Subject: Another Review of A Slipping-Down Life Toni Kalem's competition film, A Slipping Down Life is an adaptation of the Anne Tyler novel. Kalem demonstrates the truest understanding yet of Tyler's quietly off-center characters and in Lili Taylor and Guy Pearce she has found the perfect actors to interpret them. With her customary sensitivity, Taylor plays Evie Decker, a young woman who breaks out of a life of oppressive normalcy and passivity with a bizarre act of self-mutilation. However, Pearce more than matches her with his turn as the rock star wannabe who is Evie's unlikely love interest. And he even provides his own sultry vocals—if this role doesn't establish him as a teen idol, then all hope is lost. All this mature viewer has to say is, "Move over Brad Pitt!" == Rich reply to either: rplumb@cais.com or billytell@yahoo.com webpage: http://www.dc.net/rplumb/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:27:43 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Che cosa e il fascismo? chris, i know you're not really as naive as you're letting on here. nevertheless, i'll rephrase my original statement: we put a *great many* of the same *bureaucrats and bosses* back into power, within the same *institutional structures* to implement the *same* economic policies. i've cited numerous sources, which, despite the fact that terry considers them "less than accurate," and chris considers them "fraudulent" (without, i suspect, having even looked at, let alone read them) look rock solid to my eyes. and for the record, yes, we did at first advocate retaining an emperorship in japan. above all, making it clear that under no circumstances was japan to be a democracy following the war-- and ended up occupying the country for seven years in order to make sure we got our way. (and it shouldn't be any surprise that we wanted japan to have the same institutional structure that it had had before the war: we supplied the oil for its annexation of manchuria, we enthusiastically supported its imperial agenda, we were selling more oil to japan than to our european "allies" fighting hitler as late as feb. 1941, and so on. it was only when it became apparent that japan intended to keep most of the spoils of southeast asian imperialism for itself that we realised we had to go to war with it.) <> (additionally, we attempted, unsuccessfully, to install the >vichyites into power in france. Hmm.... I don't recall ever hearing anyone, up to and inluding Stalin, make this claim before.> this remark is none the less ignorant for its patronising tone. read churchill's memoirs. or hull's. or leahy's. or eden's. or stimson's. also a whole book by william langer called Our Vichy Gamble. and, as always, Foreign Relations Of The United States (declassified government documents.) we actively supported the vichyites from 1940 on through, attempting in the summer of '44 to get them into power, and not recognising the de gaulle government until october (and only then reluctantly, and only to stave of leftist insurrection.) of course, the de gaulle government itself had attracted many former vichy sympathisers. this was all quite well known at the time. so much so, that the u.s. government was given to making justifications to the american public, and that the germans were using the fact as propaganda. and so insistent was our agenda that it threatened to cause a major rupture in the anglo-american alliance. (although, truthfully, after december of '41 --that is, after defeat of the germans was assured, defeat of the japanese having never been in doubt-- the war was more less entirely political for the americans, prinipally in manoeuvering to aexert a global postwar hegemony for itself --at the expense *not* of the german and japanese industrialists/bureaucrats which were needed to insure economic productivity integral to prosecuting our postwar plans-- but at the expense of our so-called allies, russia and britain. in short, "saving the world for democracy" by destroying germany and japan was the *last* thing the war was about.) okay, well, i looked in several dictionaries. some give definitions closer to mine, some closer to yours. but i'd like to go beyond semantics, if that's really what we're hung up on, here. would you agree that, whatever label we might want to attach to it, the united states, in country after country, disarmed the internal resistance, disregarded popular sentiment, expressly forbid democratic economic and political policies, and put big business back in charge (backed up by the repressive arm of the state --often, of course, meaning the u.s. military itself)? that could be a whole listserv unto itself! and of course, the anarchist movement itself was split right down the middle on this very issue. one point should be made about orwell. he made an about-face with his essay entitled, "My Country Right Or Left." (1940) up to that point, he had been mercilessly criticising the fascisisation of britain, and its preparation for war. he was even trying to organise a group of people to buy a printing press to enable them to counter government progpaganda during the war. then it all went out the window. and not gradually, either, near as i can make it. needless to say, i agree more with his analyses prior to this essay. for example, the essay "Not Counting Niggers" (1939), in which he ridicules one author's suggestion of forming a "peace bloc" of the "democratic" countries which would be so powerful that it could not be invaded: "Look again at his list of sheep and goats. No need to boggle at the goats (Germany, Italy, Japan), they are goats right enough, and billies at that. But look at the sheep! Perhaps the USA will pass inspection if one does not look too closely. But what about France? What about England? What about even Belgim and Holland? Like everyone of his school of thought, Mr. Streit has coolly lumped the huge British and French empires --in essence nohting but mechanisms for exploiting cheap coloured labour-- under the heading of democracies!....Except where tables of statistics bring it out, one would never for a moment guess what *numbers* of human beings are invloved. India, for instance, which contains more inhabitants than the whole of the 'fifteen democracies' put together, gets just a page and a half in Mr. Streit's book, and that merely to explain that as India is not yet fit for self-government the status quo must continue. And here one begins to see what would really be happening if Mr. Streit's scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa....The unspoken clause is always 'not counting niggers.' For how can we make a 'firm stand' against Hitler if we are simultaneously weakening ourselves at home? In other words, how can we 'fight Fascism' except by bolstering up a far vaster injustice? For of course it *is* vaster. What we always forget is that the overwhelming bulk of the British proletariat does not live in Britain, but in Asia and Africa. It is not in Hitler's power, for instance, to make a penny an hour a normal industrial wage; it is perfectly normal in India, and we are at great pains to keep it so. ....It is quite common for an Indian coolie's leg to be thinner than the average Englishman's arm. And there is nothing racial in this, for well-fed members of the same races are of nomral physique; it is due to simple starvation. This is the system which we all live on and which we denounce when there seems to be no dnager of its being altered. Of late, however, it has become the first duty of a 'good anti-Fascist' to lie about it and help to keep it in being. What real settlement, of the slightest value, can there be along these lines? What meaning would there be, even it it were successful, in bringing down Hitler's system in order to stabilise something that is far bigger and in its different way just as bad?....Nothing is likely to save us except the emergence within the next two years of a real mass party whose first pledges are to refuse war and to right imperial injustice." brother, if i were to begin listing all those works which i haven't read, but *should* have, long ago; we'd be here until the cows came home. thanks for the orwell homepage link, by the way! i've already put a link up to it from my page. cool. <... See if your library has The Collected Essays, Letters and Journalism of George Orwell (specifically vol. 4)> ha! i paid two hundred bucks for that collection three or so years ago, but have yet to read it in its entirety. the raison d'etre of the state is to protect private property, yes. but this is in sharp contradistinction to the *rationalisations* given for imperial adventures. i hadn't realised that was what you meant. fine. you recognise, of course, that the first was a sham (there never was a "global communist menace." the soviets were at odds with both the chinese (and the yugoslavians.) and the third world communist parties were ideologically independent from the both. a mere glance at the geneva accords reveals that the vietnamese were completely sold down the river by the chinese. by the way, the state department conducted a study intending to prove that the vietnamese communists were simply puppets of either russia or china, but was forced to conclude that vietnam was the *only* communist party they could find with *no* soviet or chinese influence whatever.) and that the second (as we've put it into practise, if not by definition) is a violation of any sort of principle of self-determination or democracy that one would care to spout. not to mention a violation of the un charter. you jest? the monroe doctrine, if nothing earlier, belies this contention. more globally oriented, yes. but again, this is attributable to our rise in power, coupled with the deterioration of the british empire. puh-leeze. our bombing of panama had nothing to do with noriega not following orders, and everything to do with "inertia"? ditto our destruction of iraq? what of our enthusiastic support of the chechen war? and our continued support of the occupations of east timor and palestine, as well as the haitain debacle: "inertia," or good for business? and this "new policy" which "we" will soon be able to "agree on" (meanwhile, then pentagon budget is at cold war levels.) it wouldn't perchance have anything to do with enabling and/or encouraging democratic movements throughout the world -- even at the expense of profits? hmmm...don't think i'll hold my breath. well, i think we're really going around in circles at this point. so even though the quail insists that he's been reading this debate "religiously," i think i'll wrap it up on this end, and let chris have the final word (but you can assume that i disagree with him!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: VH1 minute thingie. I guess we missed Robyn again. My friend Mike just came by my desk and was talking about how much he dug seeing Robyn last night on VH-1. Fudge. OH yeah... and I took him to see Storefront when it was in town here and he's been Robyncrazy ever since. He said, not two minutes ago, "You know, that movie has made me quite a fan. I mean, I knew him... I'm sorry... I knew OF him, but that movie made me want to go out and get a bunch of his records, man. We should trade some tapes." Ah... it's good to be validated. Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:30:16 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: VH1 minute thingie. Capuchin wrote: > > I guess we missed Robyn again. > > My friend Mike just came by my desk and was talking about how much he dug > seeing Robyn last night on VH-1. Fudge. Yeah, I was talking to my soon-to-be ex-girlfriend last night when it came on. I could hear Robyn's voice in the background, but it was really soft and i couldn't figure out what song it was. Then I heard Robyn sing the words, "Sally was a legend" and realized that it was the VH1 Midnight Minute. The bitch knows I love Robyn, and she didn't even tell me to turn to VH1. Well, that relationship is over. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:40:01 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Review of A Slipping-Down Life What are the Robyn-penned tunes that are gonna be in this movie, again? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:25:27 From: "she.rex" Subject: One more book... Hi! Jon wrote to say there was a recommendation for the book _Good Vibrations_ floating around the list half a year ago. It was about people who are obsessed with music. I haven't been here that long, so would anyone who remembers like to provide more info or thoughts about it? Thanks! She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:27:15 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: ES on SNL Hey, Elliott Smith will be on Saturday Night Live this coming Saturday. It is a rerun, but I'm sure there are many of us who haven't see it. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Donnell Subject: Sally Is Still A Legend at Cyberspace Hitchcock For those of you that missed Sally Was A Legend last night on VH1 you can hop on over to everyone's favorite Roby Hitchcock MP3 site 'Cyberspace Hitchcock' at.. http://www.geocities.com/~qrys/robyn/index.html Where we have the song in MP3 and the video in Real Video format (both downloadable and streaming! wow!) Unfortuately everything else is gone because I was going to do a bigger update, but don't have the time to finish it today. But please enjoy this one minute (actually 1:03) of exciting new Robyn Hitchock material. == Christopher Donnell Hmmm.. you might as well check out my homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~qrys _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:23:52 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: Another Review of A Slipping-Down Life MC 900 Ft MARKEEFE@aol.com rapped: > What are the Robyn-penned tunes that are gonna be in this movie, again? the only song we know for sure is "elizabeth jade". according to the early reports, there are two more, but which ones those are is not yet known. woj n.p. pepper acton -- marrow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:56:28 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: VH1 minute thingie. Fegs: I just bothered the VH1 people again about this, and they actually came through this time with a Midnight Minute schedule for the next three weeks. They're still not going to post it on the web, but hey, every little bit helps. As you can see, Robyn is scheduled for March 5: Tue 2/23 Dean Wareham - "City Kitty" Wed 2/24 Sixpence None The Richer - "Sister Mother" Thu 2/25 Eden White - "This Is The Way" Fri 2/26 Peter Holsapple - "Big Brown Eyes" Sat 2/27 Jeffrey Gaines - "Belle De Jour" Sun 2/28 Colin Hay - "Waiting For My Real Life To Begin" Mon 3/1 Stu Hamm - "Country Music" Tue 3/2 Toshi Reagon - "Midnight Minute Song" Wed 3/3 Marcus Roberts - "The Entertainer" Thu 3/4 Kenny Lattimore - "I Love You More Than You’ll Ever Know" Fri 3/5 Robyn Hitchcock - "1974" Sat 3/6 Idina Menzel - "Minuet" Sun 3/7 Heather Eatman - "All Right" Mon 3/8 Joe Satriani - "Satch Boogie" Tue 3/9 Duncan Sheik - "Nostalgia For Cigarettes" Wed 3/10 Lyle Lovett - "Lungs" Thu 3/11 N’Dea Davenport - "Oldman" Fri 3/12 Men At Work - "Overkill" Sat 3/13 Kenny Lattimore - "Tomorrow" Sun 3/14 R.E.M. - "I’m Not Over You" And wow, Kenny Lattimore! Woo-hoo! I'm gonna swoon... >For those of you that missed Sally Was A Legend last night on VH1 >you can hop on over to everyone's favorite Roby Hitchcock MP3 site >'Cyberspace Hitchcock' at.. >http://www.geocities.com/~qrys/robyn/index.html Thanks, Chris! That's really nice of you. And I can't WAIT to hear that Commodores track! John H. Hedges ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #68 ******************************