From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #65 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 08 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies [The Great Quail ] Goody-goody yum yum [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dig] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 [cookie ] Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies [amadain ] Re: Paint It Black [amadain ] Pillsbury Murder Boy [Joel Mullins ] Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] My Vega-table Friend [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] Re: My Vega-table Friend [Eb ] Star-fucking Trek [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 [overbury@cn.ca] Re: soft boys on npr? [cinders blue ] Re: Pillsbury Murder Boy [The Great Quail ] anyone know where I can get this??/ fegbooks [lj lindhurst ] Re: space [cinders blue ] Re: a slipping-down life [cinders blue ] Re: Pillsbury Murder Boy [Joel Mullins ] Re: space [Gary Assassin ] Kung Fu Fighting [msandona@bu.edu] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 [cinders blue ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 [cinders blue ] Re: My Vega-table Friend [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Robyn touring [LORDK@library.phila.gov] Re: Robyn touring [cinders blue ] i wanna be... [cinders blue ] i wanna be... [cinders blue ] Re: More fegbooks ["she.rex" ] Re: i wanna be... [lj lindhurst ] Che cosa e il fascismo? [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 22:28:03 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies >Lastly, I leave you with this sad story. My huband used to work with someone >who insisted he had an "original" copy of the Eddie and the Cruisers album. >When my husband tried to explain to the guy that it was a soundtrack to a >movie, and that they weren't really a band, the guy kept saying, "but I got >an ORIGINAL copy of the record, and it's worth a lot of money." >AARRGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Yeah, I understand totally! Try explaining about the Necronomicon to a bunch of teenage Satanists who are using it as a spellbook . . . I shit you not. As a teacher, I was actually called into a counselling session with the "leader" of a small culty-sorta thing, and he *insisted* that the Necronomicon was a real satanic grimoire . . . and I'm talking that cheesy paperback, too. Poor deluded kid didn't even know who H.P. Lovecraft *was.* Sigh. So anyway, I laughed at him and his little god Satan, and retired to the coffeeroom to pray to Yog Sothoth; I was rewarded with leftover Tangy Tacos at lunch. Fools. - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Storyteller of New York by Night http://www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN "But we are pledged to set this world free -- our toil must be in silence and our efforts in secret for in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of these men would be his greatest strength." --Abraham Van Helsing, "Dracula" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:49:17 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Goody-goody yum yum >> GG, BO and TBT subsequently transferred to TV as 'The Goodies'. The >> funniest episode was where they started a pirate radio station, but >only >> had one record - Horst Jankowski's 'A walk in the Black Forest'. > >Mr Godwin, despite the massive respect due to you as knower of all >things arcane and British, I beg to differ. The funniest episode of >The Goodies is the one where England is overrun by a plague of Rolf >Harrises. A close runner up is their bouncing moon buggy tour of the >world, I think... oh, how I miss that show. people of real taste! What about when they entered their house in the Le Mans 24 hour race? James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:51:02 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 >PS: I also contend that the most Feggish author is Edward Gorey. And you >should all take Jon's advice on Russell Edson. He's not *like* the rest >of us. . . . agreed... John Sladek's pretty Hitchcockian at times, too. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: cookie Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * cc$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$cc > > > * c$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$c > > > * ,c$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > * ,c$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > * ,d$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, > > > * ,$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$h$$$' > > > * ,$$$$$u$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > * J$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b$ > > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > '$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$' > > > * '$$$$$$ '$$$$$$$$ '$$$$$$' > > > * '$$$$$$ .$$$$$$$$, $$$$$$$$' > > > * '$$$$$,M";;; '$$$$$$$$$$'M > > > ?$$$$,<( ') $$$$$$$$$$ > > > $$$$$$$$$$$,'-',$$$' > > > $$$$$$$$$$$????$$$$$$$$$' > > > * d$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$b > > > * $$$$$$$$$$$c,,,,c$$$$$$$$$$$ > > > * "?$$$$P"" "$$$$$$???$$$$??" > > > $$$$$ > > > * $$$$$$c > > > * ,$$$$$$$"c > > > * z$<$$$$$$$'$, > > > * z$<$$$$$$$$$'$c > > > <$$$$$$$$$$$;?$ > > > '$<$$$$$$$$$$$:$ > > > * ?L$$$$$$$$$$$:$ > > > * ?$$$$$$$$$$$d' > > > * '$$$$$$$$$$F > > > * '?$c'??3$F > > > * CCC CCC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * You have been seen by the tweety bird. He will grant you one wish. > > > * Make your wish when the count down is over. > > > > > > * 10.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 9.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 8.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 7.. > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > * 6.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 5.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 4.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 3.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 2.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * 1.. > > > > > > * **** MAKE A WISH****** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Send this to 10 people within the hour you read this. > > > * If you do, your wish will come true. If you don't > > > * it will become the opposite. > > > > > > * One learns that the opinions formulated by the pens > > > of our great thinkers over the centuries are strange > > > indeed." > > > > > > * Jacques Lacan..."The Ethics of Psychoanalysis", 1959 > > > >> > > >begin 600 MSG00000.TXT >M1G)O;3H@(D%04E5:6D5312P@04%23TX@32XB(#QA87!R=7IZ94!E;7,N:G-C >M+FYAM;G9A;&-O+F-O;3XL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:26:23 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies >with the "leader" of a small culty-sorta thing, and he *insisted* that >the Necronomicon was a real satanic grimoire . . . and I'm talking that >cheesy paperback, too. Poor deluded kid didn't even know who H.P. >Lovecraft *was.* Sigh. He actually knew enough to know what a grimoire is? I'm surprised. >So anyway, I laughed at him and his little god Satan, and retired to the >coffeeroom to pray to Yog Sothoth; I was rewarded with leftover Tangy >Tacos at lunch. Well, that was silly. If you'd prayed to Aphrodite, who wore that silken nighty (and it's good enough for me!) you might have gotten laid right there in the lunchroom! Shay-tan isn't that great. Give me Aphrodite for - -real- teenage kicks right through the night. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:57:00 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Paint It Black > ok, i get it "red door" refers to the red light district. the line >of black >cars is a funeral. lots of images that evoke lust like >"girls...dressed in their >summer clothes" and "my green sea" becoming the >frustration of "a deeper blue". apart >from the blackness in his "heart" >and "whole world" and his desire to "not have to >face the facts", there >is no real mention of murder. it's not that much of a stretch; >but it is >a stretch. i wouldn't put it past mick; but he has been much less obtuse. Well, I asked my sweetie further, and it appears this was one of the few occasions where he imaginatively interpreted a lyric, i.e., there is no interview/factual basis for it. There is that "not have to face the facts" thing.....it does make one think that the singer has some culpablility. I can actually kinda see that scenario, after reading the lyrics you so thoughtfully transcribed (thanks!) and it's a more interesting interpretation than the one I had originally. I'm still not sure it quite works for me, but at least it doesn't seem quite as off-the-wall as it did originally. And I'll second Eb- Mick doesn't write lyrics half that good anymore. In fact, I'd argue that he hasn't since "Sticky Fingers". Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:13:13 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Pillsbury Murder Boy You guys have got to read this. This is hilarious! >> > Pillsbury Murder Boy >> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> > >> > WANTED FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER >> > (The actual AP headline) >> > >> > Linda Burnett, 23, was visiting her inlaws, and while there went to >> > a nearby supermarket to pick up some groceries. Several people >> > noticed her sitting in her car with the windows rolled up and with >> > her eyes closed, with both hands behind the back of her head. One >> > customer who had been at the store a while became concerned after an >> > hour, and walked over to the car. He noticed that Linda's eyes were >> > now open, and she looked very strange. He asked her if she was okay, >> > and Linda replied that she'd been shot in the back of the head, and >> > had been holding her brains in for over an hour. >> > >> > The man called the paramedics, who broke into the car because the >> > doors were locked and Linda refused to remove her hands from her >> > head. When they finally got in, they found that Linda had a wad of >> > bread dough on the back of her head. A Pillsbury biscuit canister >> > had exploded from the heat, making a loud noise that sounded like a >> > gunshot, and the wad of dough hit her in the back of her head. When >> > she reached back to find out what it was, she felt the dough and >> > thought it was her brains. She initially passed out, but quickly >> > recovered and tried to hold her brains in for over an hour until >> > someone noticed and came to her aid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:05:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Annoying fans / the Goodies >>>>> "Chris" == Chris writes: Chris> Bill Oddie was always my favorite. Can anyone tell Chris> me what he's doing now? Still on sitcoms/comedy shows? Mostly making wildlife shows, though occasionally appearing on comedy panel games. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:09:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: My Vega-table Friend Okay, who was it that recommend The Beach Boys' Web Sounds/SMiLE thing? For the last three days I have had 'Vegetables' [or 'Vega-Tables', as the web site has it] stuck in my head. It's not leaving. Even subjecting my head to relentlessly annoying songs (Barbie Girl, Pretty Fly For a White Guy, etc) isn't shifting it. And what's more, I want to play it to people... Beware, beware, this thing's a memetic plague! - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:38:00 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: My Vega-table Friend >Okay, who was it that recommend The Beach Boys' Web Sounds/SMiLE >thing? For the last three days I have had 'Vegetables' [or >'Vega-Tables', as the web site has it] stuck in my head. It's not >leaving. Even subjecting my head to relentlessly annoying songs >(Barbie Girl, Pretty Fly For a White Guy, etc) isn't shifting it. And >what's more, I want to play it to people... > >Beware, beware, this thing's a memetic plague! Did you know that's supposedly Paul McCartney making the "chomping noises"? Or so legend has it.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:42:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: My Vega-table Friend >Okay, who was it that recommend The Beach Boys' Web Sounds/SMiLE >thing? For the last three days I have had 'Vegetables' [or >'Vega-Tables', as the web site has it] stuck in my head. It's not >leaving. Even subjecting my head to relentlessly annoying songs >(Barbie Girl, Pretty Fly For a White Guy, etc) isn't shifting it. And >what's more, I want to play it to people... > >Beware, beware, this thing's a memetic plague! Did you know that's supposedly Paul McCartney making the "chomping noises"? Or so legend has it.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:21:11 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Star-fucking Trek I'm considering driving to Chicago on Feb. 25th (next Thursday) to give Andy Partridge a tinfoil Thoth. Are any Chicago fegs going to see him? (Ed? Viv?) If so, we should meet up. n., who is honestly not normally this much of a fan-girl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:05:32 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 Date sent: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:21:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 From: cookie To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Send reply to: cookie > > > > * You have been seen by the tweety bird. Not in arial font, I didn't! > > > > He will grant you one wish. Ok. Do you have lots of clean underwear handy ? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:14:14 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: soft boys on npr? MC 900 Ft Thomas Rodebaugh rapped: >a friend of mine just told me that there was a bit on the soft boys on >npr, at 4pm today (2/9/99). anybody hear it? well, i'll be. there was a spot on the soft boys during "fresh air" on that date: Rock historian ED WARD tells us about the great lost British band, the Soft Boys. the rundown for the program is at where you can find a realaudio clip of the broadcast. the spot starts around the 50 minute mark of the clip. woj n.p. the wishniaks -- catch 33 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 10:48:10 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Pillsbury Murder Boy >You guys have got to read this. This is hilarious! With all due respect to Joel, I'm afraid that the Pillsbury Brain Goo Story is an urban legend. At least, I've been hearing it for some ten years, ever since Mariah Carey mentioned it in an interview. - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Storyteller of New York by Night http://www.rpg.net/quail/NYBN "But we are pledged to set this world free -- our toil must be in silence and our efforts in secret for in this enlightened age, when men believe not even what they see, the doubting of these men would be his greatest strength." --Abraham Van Helsing, "Dracula" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:44:48 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: anyone know where I can get this??/ fegbooks I really really really want that Johnny Cash poster where he is 'flipping the bird' to the music industry...I've tried searching the Web, but I can't seem to find it at any of the "rock poster" sites. Does anyone know where I can get this poster? fegbooks recommendation: I just got through reading Irvine Welsh's newest novel, "Filth". It was such a strange and shocking book, the kind of thing that gets into your head and affects your whole perspective while you're reading it. It even gave me bad dreams! Look at it this way: The main character has a tapeworm that shares the narration (if you can imagine that)-- and the tapeworm is the most sympathetic character in the book. TGQ read it too-- and now he keeps calling everyone a 'daft cunt'!!!! but really he is a nae-mates cunt, so don't listen to him!!! (please do not be offended by my use of the word 'cunt'-- in Scottish dialect, it translates into 'used coffee filter'. Right, Stewart??) "drinkin coffee and smokin big cigars," lj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 12:01:40 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Filth Recommendation >fegbooks recommendation: I just got through reading Irvine Welsh's newest >novel, "Filth". It was such a strange and shocking book, the kind of thing >that gets into your head and affects your whole perspective while you're >reading it. It even gave me bad dreams! Look at it this way: The main >character has a tapeworm that shares the narration (if you can imagine >that)-- and the tapeworm is the most sympathetic character in the book. Aye, ah cannae recommend this book mair highly, ye ken? Ah've been something of a Welsh fan since Trainspotting, likesay, an LJ hersel goat ma intae James Kelmen. But Filth, aye, Filth is nae Trainspotting an nae Kelman, Filth is an oather baw a wex. A bit ay "Bad Lieutenant" wi a bit ay "Junkie." Fuckin baws tae the waw, ken? No tae take the pish fae Kelman or Trainspotting, but. That should be fuckin implicit. Filth, but - -- if ah hud tae pick a book that's really stuck itsel in ma heid an set up shoap, then ah'd have nae choice but Filth -- ye goat tae read it, mates! Ah'm fuckin tellin' ye. S a barry read oan the subway too, no shitein' ye. The cover, likesay, has this hoag on it, ay swine aw done up in polis gear, ken, wi piggy wee eyes n a baleful look aw oan ay barry field o blue, and ah'd sit oan the tube an ah'd be mindin ma own business, likesay, an ah'd be getting these stares fae auld pensioners an wee silly birds an specky daft cunts who'd deek a few lines a what ah'm readin, an they'd deek "cunt" and "fuck" and mibbe they'd deek the tapeworm, aye, wud truly is the only character in the book yer actually pullin fae, ye really get to see the worm as yer ain mate; but anyhoo thirs aw these nosey cunts starin at ye jist fae fuckin readin a silly book, an ye start thinkin ay th' loat of em as daft cunts a yin sort or anoather, a fuckin tube filled ay daft cunts who willnae mind their ain business, an soon ye start thinking like ma man Bruce Robertson, ken, brooooose Robbo Robbo Cop, ye jist cannae stoap, and ye start itchin tae take a few nips ootay a boatil ah voddy or a purple tin, an ye start lookin at all the jakeys and ye start on wid ay posh and aw a that shite; same rules apply; and soon ye cannae get Mr Bruce Robertson, his bastard tapeworm, or the whole cast ay schemies an jakeys ootay yer heid. So ye wind up rat-ersed on the bevvy and shaggin the first hoor that clocks ye, stoat the baw or no. It's a fuckin wey ay life eftir aboot page twenty, ken? So ah'm jist sayin', read the book, mates. Ah rate it four ootay five boatils ay lager. - --Quailie +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:27:00 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: space MC 900 Ft Eb rapped: >I just hope that Woj's website is allotted enough space to archive the last >few days of posts. ;) happy% df -k /info Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /info 866528 803504 61784 93% /info but... happy% df -k /info2 Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /info2 6126616 8 6065344 1% /info2 so we'll be alright... woj, still catching up ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:37:38 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: a slipping-down life MC 900 Ft Capitalism Blows rapped: >I noticed in the soundtrack was Elizabeth Jade.> > >he didn't give you any more info than that, woj? like, was that the >only song he *recognised*, or did he actually sit and watch the credit >roll. apparently, that is the only song he recognized, though he hasn't told me anything else. hmmm. i know robyn played "sweet mouth" at a gig which the guy who went to sundance was at. maybe he didn't remember that one... in related news, i got a note from someone claiming to be the music director for the movie -- he's allegedly going to send me more details, but i haven't heard back from him yet. >and how did he like the movie? if you know. he didn't say. +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:25:55 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Pillsbury Murder Boy The Great Quail wrote: > > >You guys have got to read this. This is hilarious! > > With all due respect to Joel, I'm afraid that the Pillsbury Brain Goo > Story is an urban legend. At least, I've been hearing it for some ten > years, ever since Mariah Carey mentioned it in an interview. That may be. But I still found it to be extremely amusing. I'd never heard it before. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:23:18 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: space > happy% df -k /info > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on > /info 866528 803504 61784 93% /info 61 Megabytes; plenty. > happy% df -k /info2 > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on > /info2 6126616 8 6065344 1% /info2 6 Gigabytes. too much free; waste of space. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:51:17 -0500 From: msandona@bu.edu Subject: Kung Fu Fighting Hi All, I was cleaning up my hard drive and came across a real audio file I made as an exercise when I was teaching myself how to use real audio producer of Robyn doing Kung-Fu Fighting from the Alvin Lives in Leeds compilation. Would anyone like me to send them a copy? Before you say yes you should know it's a huge file, 5.28 MB so it will take a while to download from your email. If there's enough interest I could put it up on the web for a short while. Let me know. Cheers, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:03:05 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 MC 900 Ft cookie rapped: >> > > * You have been seen by the tweety bird. He will grant you one wish. >> > > * Make your wish when the count down is over. looked more like the brain on acid if you aske me... >> > > * Send this to 10 people within the hour you read this. >> > > * If you do, your wish will come true. If you don't >> > > * it will become the opposite. so, if i wish for the opposite of what i really want and send the tweety bird to the bit bucket, with this word? i may be the benvolent dictator of fegtopis, but i'd appreciate it if people didn't send stuff like this to the list... woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:25:09 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #64 uh... MC 900 Ft cinders blue rapped: >looked more like the brain on acid if you aske me... looks more like the brain on acid if you ask me... >so, if i wish for the opposite of what i really want and send the tweety >bird to the bit bucket, with this word? so, if i wish for the opposite of what i really want and send the tweety bird to the bit bucket, will this work? yeesh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:51:28 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: My Vega-table Friend In a message dated 99-02-19 04:13:12 EST, Stewart writes: << Okay, who was it that recommend The Beach Boys' Web Sounds/SMiLE thing? For the last three days I have had 'Vegetables' [or 'Vega-Tables', as the web site has it] stuck in my head. It's not leaving. Even subjecting my head to relentlessly annoying songs (Barbie Girl, Pretty Fly For a White Guy, etc) isn't shifting it. And what's more, I want to play it to people... Beware, beware, this thing's a memetic plague! >> Ha, ha! 'Twas I who infected you with this deadly meme :-) Yeah, "Vega- Tables" is one of my favorites. "I threw away my candy bar and I ate the wrapper/And when they told me what I did I burst into laughter." That's one of my favorite lines. That song and "Heroes and Villains" are the two that always get stuck in my head. I really like the "In the cantina . . . " version on the website better than the eventual single released for "Smiley Smile, although they're very similar and the single version is also great. The two songs the Beach Boys butchered the most when re-recording them for "Smiley Smile" were "Wind Chimes" and "Wonderful." The original versions are *so* much better! Yes, as Eb pointed out, Paul McCartney does do some vegetable chomping on this song. There are conflicting reports as to which recording session Paul dropped in on -- the original "SMiLE" session, or the later re-recording for "Smiley Smile." There seems to be more evidence for the former, though. Also, legend has it that Paul had brought along an early version of "A Day in the Life." Boy, as much as I like "SMiLE" (and I like it better than "Sgt. Pepper's"), I can how, if Brian had thought that one song was going to be representative of all the music on the next Beatles' album, he might've just called it quits right then and there! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:52:29 -0500 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Robyn touring Perhaps I was scimming too fast, but I 1/2 remember a list of up-coming tour dates. I thought Id saved it but--- Could anyone remind me of when and where he was playing in Philly? Thanks. UTM K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:05:15 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: Robyn touring MC 900 Ft LORDK@library.phila.gov rapped: >Perhaps I was scimming too fast, but I 1/2 remember a list of up-coming >tour dates. I thought Id saved it but--- >Could anyone remind me of when and where he was playing in Philly? the tour was of europe, not north america. so, your guess is as good as mine for the next philadelphia show. woj n.p. the spinnanes -- strand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:15:42 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: i wanna be... +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:17:51 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: i wanna be... +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:32:13 From: "she.rex" Subject: Re: More fegbooks Jon wrote: >Herriman also illustrated (and maybe wrote?) a great little book of >poetry about Mehitabel the Cat, the stories of whom were told to the poet >by a bookworm or a mouse, I can't remember which. Also lost in the great >neuron storm of 1988 were the poet's name and the name of the book. >Anybody know? And I replied: I have a book _archy and mehitabel_. There are no separate credits for the illustrations, so it's probably safe to assume Marquis did his own. I stand corrected! Looking at the illustrations, they are signed by Herriman. Just a little small on some of them. Don't know why he wasn't listed as the illustrator. My apologies, Jon! Setting the record straight, She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:34:12 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: i wanna be... > > >+w woj, quit posting so much, you!!!! ...by the way, TORI is on VH1 Storytellers this week. She's pretty. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:11:55 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Che cosa e il fascismo? Python reference! On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > we installed the same *people* into power in germany, italy, and japan, > to implement the same *policies* --economically, if not always > politically. so if it was called "fascism" *before* the war, then... But we *didn't* install the same people in power. Was Adenauer a Nazi? Did MacArthur make Tojo Prime Minister of Japan? Did Goring and Himmler found the Federal Republic of Germany? The answer to all these questions is a resounding Nope. And Germany, Italy and Japan did *not* continue their prewar economic policies, except in the very broad sense that they had private ownership of the means of production both before and after the war. > (additionally, we attempted, unsuccessfully, to install the vichyites > into power in france. Hmm.... I don't recall ever hearing anyone, up to and inluding Stalin, make this claim before. > at this point, it might be instructive to discuss what fascism does > *not* mean. it does not mean concentration camps, and goosetepping > stormtroopers, and all the rest of it. it means, state > control/direction of the economy, *in the service* of big > business/private property. I don't accept this definition of fascism. First, it's factually wrong: fascist states unvaryingly featured state control of the economy (and everything else) for the *state's* benefit, not for the benefit of big business. Secondly, it's still too vague. All kinds of systems could meet it even though they have nothing else in common, so it isn't very useful for analytical purposes. Frankly, it isn't much of an improvement on the "fascism is *any* evil regime" definition.... "OK, Mr. Smartypants," the Fegs of the world reply. "So how would *you* define fascism?" Well, here's a quick attempt. Fascist movements and regimes share these characteristics: an ultranationalism that usually descends into doctrines of racial/ethnic superiority; mobilization of the whole population and belief in organic national unity which cuts across class lines (some fascists keep those class lines, some don't); a program of social regeneration and molding of a new, "better" man; a one-party state, with the party assuming all leadership functions; political dictatorship; an economy based on private property but completely subordinate to the state; general elimination of any restraint on the state's power; the leadership principle, ie, one man is believed to embody the national will; anti-individualism, anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism (in both the John Stuart Mill and Ted Kennedy senses of liberal), and anti-conservatism; exaltation of emotion, myth and will over rationality and pragmatism; glorification of action, struggle and violence (which are seen not just as tools to an end but as spiritually beneficial); and (in principle at least) totalitarianism, the extension of state control to every organization and realm of life, so that the distinction between the state and society effectively disappears. Whew! Quite a mouthful, I know. But this isn't just an pile of arbitrarily chosen criteria. After WWI a number of political movements sharing just these characteristics arose across Europe. Because the Italian Fascists were the first to seize power, similar movements also became known as fascism. If the term has any specific meaning at all, it refers to them. There have been a lot of fascist movements but not many purely fascist regimes. Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Hungary under the Arrow Cross, and Romania under the Legion of St. Michael (aka the Iron Guard), that's about it, and the latter two only ruled briefly. Franco's Spain, during the period when the Falangists were most important in it, and Pavelic's Croatia are borderline cases. Japan under the military dictatorship, Vichy France, and Peronist Argentina come close but lack one or two of the main characteristics. Numerous other regimes (including, yes, the KMT) lack several characteristics of fascism but are still close enough to be caled semi-fascist. > and this is why i consider colonialism tantamount to fascism, as well. And this is why I don't. Colonial regimes certainly do NOT want to mobilize the masses, promote organic nationalism, or teach their subjects the value of violence and struggle! Imperialists want their subjects to be quiescent. Colonial regimes, however evil, lack some of the most important characteristics of fascism and can't be lumped into the same category. Likewise numerous other types of non-fascist evil regimes: military dictatorships, theocracies, conservative oligarchical dictatorships, etc. > what is the *practical* difference? and this is presumably why you > yourself once said, chris, that the soviet union was essentially > fascist, even though it hasn't been "technically" considered as such. Communist regimes, at least until after Khrushchev (and in North Korea right up until the present day), came closer to fascism than almost any other type of regime did. Dictatorship, one-party state, leadership principle, mass mobilization, glorification of struggle, national regeneration, attempted totalitarianism? Check, check, check, check, check, check and check. On the other hand they were at least nominally internationalist, promoted class struggle within the nation instead of organic nationalism, didn't reject rationality (they pushed "scientific socialism," after all), and certainly didn't reject Marxism. The Soviets weren't fascists, but Stalin AND Lenin AND Trotsky were all as close to fascism as, say, Chiang Kai-shek was. > and again, it's got nothing to do with whether or not i "like" a certain > government. it's got to do with *objective* conditions *on the ground*. Zackly. In, say, 1938, Fascist Italy and Germany shared a number of objective, on-the-ground characteristics, political, social and economic; while at the same time colonial India, oligarchical El Salvador and conservative dictatorial Poland did not did not share these characteristics, nor did they resemble each other as much as Italy and Germany did. >if this hits a little close to home, well, > perhaps it should. there's a reason orwell said (though i'd guess he > wasn't the first one to say it) that fascism and capitalism are > "tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum." Orwell quotes at ten paces! Orwell hated capitalism and saw lots of links between capitalism and fascism. However, he did NOT believe that the two were the same thing; nor did he think that the capitalist democracies were the same as, or as bad as, the fascist states. E.g.: "However unjustly England might be organized, it was at any rate not torn by class warfare or haunted by secret police. ... As a people to live under, and looking at them merely from a liberal, *negative* standpoint, the British ruling class had their points. They were preferable to the truly modern men, the Nazis and Fascists." --The Lion and the Unicorn, 1940 "You can only pretend that Nazism and capitalist democracy are Tweedledum and Tweedledee if you also pretend that every horror from the June purge onwards has been cancelled by an exactly similar horror in England." --No, Not One, 1941 > <"In certain kinds of writing, particularly in art criticism and > literary criticism, it is normal to come across long passages which are > completely lacking in meaning. ... Many political words are similarly > abused. The word *Fascism* has now no meaning except in so far as it > signifies 'something not desirable'."> > > i'd like to see the context of the quote. You haven't read "Politics and the English Language"?! ... See if your library has The Collected Essays, Letters and Journalism of George Orwell (specifically vol. 4); it may also be in other Orwell compilations. Or, I found a copy on the web at: . I did notice a typo as soon as I brought it up on the screen, which makes me a little leery, and it lacks the footnotes; but I checked and otherwise it matches the same section in The Collected Essays etc., so it should be good enough for our purposes. You might also want to check out Orwell's "As I Please" column from 24 Mar 1944, about the use and abuse of the word fascism. (See vol. 3 of the Collected etc. etc.) > replace the word "fascism" above with "socialism" and it perfectly > describes the american political milieu, i think. "Liberalism" might be better. "Socialism" has pretty much dropped out of the American political vocabulary, even as an insult. > This started to change with the Spanish-American war> > > it started to change as we became more powerful. but the *driving > force* of policy, the *basis* for intervention stretches back well > before the monroe doctrine, to, really, the origins of the country > itself: "to protect american interests,"/"to protect american lives and > property when the natives became troublesome." If the main continuity in US foreign policy was only that it was always selfishly oriented to protecting American interests, well, that doesn't prove much. It's a truism that *every* country's foreign policy is selfishly oriented to protecting that country's interests. > Communism and building a new international capitalist economic system.> > > then let me ask again how you explain our antipathy toward/willingness > to obliterate non- and anti-communist countries which chose to purue > economic policies contradictory to those of the "washington consensus," > as it's called; Umm, I think my last post already answered that. I said US policy had the dual goal of "containing Communism and building a new international capitalist economic system". Countries whose policies contradicted either of these goals would naturally earn US antipathy, right? Am I missing the question? > and the incredible consistency of u.s. foreign policy > from before 1917, through the soviet era, and after 1989? But I don't think that it was consistent; see my previous post. To recap, I see a major divide about 1940: from an inconsistent string of actions oriented toward immediate goals, with at most a fuzzy overall policy, to a much more active, committed, and globally-oriented policy with definite and explicit long-range goals. The consistency since 1989 is due to inertia while we continue to be unable to agree on a new policy. > i think we're in a privileged enough position that we've a > responsibility to try to understand the forces that make the world go > 'round. whew. that sounds high-falutin'. but i do believe it. I'd agree, except that I'd think tht every citizen, privileged or not, should try to know what the hell is going on. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #65 ******************************