From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #62 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 17 1999 Volume 08 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: de Selby [Michael R Godwin ] Re: de Selby [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] London calling ["Ghost Surfer" ] More fegbooks [Natalie Jacobs ] Bath [VIV LYON ] Re: Bath (0%RH) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bath (0%RH) [Eric Loehr ] Re: Paint It Black [amadain ] Re: Paint It Black [Eric Loehr ] Needless grinding of teeth. (.34% RH content) [edoxtato@ssax.com] Re: Paint It Black [amadain ] You're a cow! Give me some milk and go home. . . . . [The Great Quail ] tapping on trees [Bayard ] fegbooksite ["she.rex" ] more wackiness ["Capitalism Blows" ] more icky stuff [Christopher Gross ] more icky stuff: a small clarification [Christopher Gross Subject: Re: de Selby On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer wrote: > Did he turn into a bicycle? I thought he returned to his wife in > Argentina? I have just consulted 'The Third Policeman' and it actually makes no mention of de Selby's fate. Possibly Hatchjaw's 'de Selby's Life and Times' might be informative. Be that as it may, I was intrigued by the reference to de Selby's stay in Bath, where I live (Chapter 4): 'Of all the many striking statements made by de Selby, I do not think that any of them can rival his assertion that "a journey is an hallucination" ... During his stay in England, he happened at one time to be living in Bath and found it necessary to go from there to Folkestone on pressing business [see Hatchjaw's 'De Selby's Life and Times']. His method of doing so was far from conventional. Instead of going to the railway station and inquiring about trains, he shut himself up in a room in his lodgings with a supply of picture postcards of the areas which would be traversed on such a journey, together with an elaborate arrangement of clocks and barometric instruments and a device for regulating the gaslight in conformity with the changing light of the outside day. What happened in the room or how precisely the clocks and other machines were manipulated will never be known. It seems that he emerged after a lapse of seven hours convinced that he was in Folkestone and possibly that he had evolved a formula for travellers which would be extremely distasteful to the railway and shipping companies. There is no record of the extent of his disillusionment when he found himself still in the familiar surroundings of Bath but one authority [Bassett: Lux Mundi: A memoir of de Selby] relates that he claimed without turning a hair to have been to Folkestone and back again'. No mention of Argentina, _or_ of bicycles in this passage. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:31:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: de Selby >>>>> "Michael" == Michael R Godwin writes: >> Did he turn into a bicycle? I thought he returned to his wife >> in Argentina? Michael> I have just consulted 'The Third Policeman' and it Michael> actually makes no mention of de Selby's fate. Possibly Michael> Hatchjaw's 'de Selby's Life and Times' might be Michael> informative. Actually, O'Brien's "The Dalkey Archive" (which I assume to be set later than T3P) mentions Argentina. Michael> Be that as it may, I was intrigued by the reference to de Michael> Selby's stay in Bath, where I live (Chapter 4): Bath is apt to do that to people. My behaviour became very odd when I visited there. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 05:40:30 PST From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: Form a line... >Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:53:26 PST >From: "Aidan Merritt" .Subject: Lost address. Extremely tenuous Robyn content, sorry > >Like an idiot I've lost the address of Positive Vibrations co-editor >Barb Lien. If anyone knows a name/address/phone number/email >for her, or lives in Minneapolis/St Paul & can look her up in the >phone book, you'll get a great big kiss from me. >Thanks > >Aidan Ooooh, now THERE'S an incentive! And the message started so well too! - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 05:45:07 PST From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: London calling >Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:38:33 -0600 >From: amadain >Subject: Re: Once again > >We're going to London!!!!! Woohoo! >This seemed as opportune a time to announce it as any. Anyfeg >who wishes to hang out, please drop me a line in the next couple >days. I will be able to check mail only sporadically after we leave. >Love on ya, >Susan You can go to the Ezio gig at the Shepherd Bush Empire on the 5'th of March then. Despite having no label or manager, they're putting on a spectacular at the Empire and are recording the event. You can also celebrate RH's birthday in his home town. Bet you can't wait. - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:57:12 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: More fegbooks >flann o'brien. great drunken surrealist stuff, like joyce gone absurd. >_at swim-two-birds_ deals with a guy who's writing a book about a guy >who's writing a book in which his characters revolt against his >authorship. Mike Godwin will attest to O'Brien's greatness, as will Dylan Thomas, who said of "At Swim-Two-Birds," "This is just the book for your sister if she's a loud, dirty, boozy girl." Jimmy Joyce was also a fan. >tom holt. (e.g. _flying dutchman_) not as giddily madcap as douglas >adams or the discworld chap, holt writes comic fantasies that stand >assorted mythic cliches on their heads. he's criminally underread. I thought "Expecting Someone Taller" - in which a normal guy gets caught up in Wagner's "Ring" mythos - was completely brilliant. "Who's Afraid of Beowulf?," which I think was about some long-buried Vikings or something, wasn't as good, which is probably why I can't remember what it was about. I haven't read anything else by him, though. His humor is somewhat in the same vein as Adams/Pratchett, but he's more erudite and a better writer. (He writes "serious" novels, also.) >jonathan carroll. (e.g. _outside the dog museum_) lord, what to say about >carroll? darker than any of the others on my list so far, but not usually >grim. inventive work, a loosely hung cycle of stories exploring assorted >mythic resonances. Ohhh, I forgot Jonathan Carroll in my list! He's very interesting. I like him, but with some reservations: he tends to over-write (the dialogue in "Sleeping in Flame" is horrendous), and also occasionally telegraphs his endings. Just to relate him to other recommended authors, he's a friend of Neil Gaiman's, and his book "Bones of the Moon" - about a woman who has sequential dreams about a strange fantasy land - was ripped off (with Carroll's permission, apparently) for part of Gaiman's Sandman series. >jane austen. because, um, she's just an amazingly good writer, and >everyone should read her lots and lots. If you want to read something cool from the British Romantic period, go for William Godwin's "Caleb Williams," which is sometimes billed as the first psychological thriller. It's a lot of fun, and there's enough anarchist ranting in it to please even Eddie. Godwin was Mary Shelley's dad, so there are plenty of similarities to "Frankenstein" along the way. Mike Godwin claims he's no relation, but we all know the truth... >Rachel Pollack - (e.g. _Unquenchabel Fire_) i liked her comic book work >(_Doom Patrol_) pretty well, but her novels are of another order. "Fire" >is a tour-de-force. I forgot this one, too! This is great - incredibly surreal and imaginative. The main character is really annoying, though - she spends most of the novel being kicked around (figuratively) by everyone she knows, and never fights back. There's a sequel, "Temporary Agency," but I haven't read it yet. n., who needs to read more books ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: VIV LYON Subject: Bath > Michael> Be that as it may, I was intrigued by the reference to de > Michael> Selby's stay in Bath, where I live (Chapter 4): > > Bath is apt to do that to people. My behaviour became very odd when I > visited there. I spent part of a night in the Bath train station, after having visited Stonehenge at midnight. We had taken the train to Bath and then took a cab to Stonehenge because that late at night there was no other way to get there, at least none that us dumb Americans could figure out. Did you know that one, if one is so inclined, can rent out Stonehenge from 7pm to 7am? Vivien While in Bath, attempting to convince a cabbie to take us to Stonehenge, we met a man who claimed to have sold Peter Gabriel his first synthesizer. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:53:29 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bath (0%RH) On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, VIV LYON wrote: > I spent part of a night in the Bath train station, after having > visited Stonehenge at midnight. We had taken the train to Bath and > then took a cab to Stonehenge because that late at night there was no > other way to get there, at least none that us dumb Americans could > figure out. It's not that easy to get to without a car after the tour buses finish for the day. We sometimes used to drive down in the middle of the night during my student days to cavort. > Did you know that one, if one is so inclined, can rent out Stonehenge > from 7pm to 7am? No, I didn't. Nowadays anyone trying to throw a party there usually gets beaten up by the police. > While in Bath, attempting to convince a cabbie to take us to > Stonehenge, we met a man who claimed to have sold Peter Gabriel his > first synthesizer. Could be. My only similar claim is that I've sold Andy Davis (ex-Stackridge, ex-Korgis, occasional Tear for Fear) two guitars. Oh, and I once met a woman in the Hat who claimed to be the person yelling 'Paint it black' on 'Get your ya yas out'. - - Mike Godwin PS Quiz Q: What line of what song is illustrated on the cover of GYYYO? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:06:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Bath (0%RH) On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > PS Quiz Q: What line of what song is illustrated on the cover of GYYYO? Aw, c'mon Mike -- that one's too easy: Bawb's Visions of Johanna ("jewels and binoculars hang from the ears of a mule") Eric, who once painted a keyboard case black ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:53:55 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Paint It Black >I once met a woman in the Hat who claimed to be the person yelling 'Paint >it black' on 'Get your ya yas out'. OK, maybe you fegs can help me figure this out. Me & the SO were talking about this song and the weird controversy about it being racist. "I don't see that either, but I do think it's kind of demented", he sez. When pressed for details, he explains that it's about a man who has had an unhappy affair with a prostitute and wants to kill her. Huh? Apparently "painting the red door black" means blacking out this woman, literally. I just always thought it was about someone in the grip of a deep, pervasive, aggressive depression. Am I naive or is he overly imaginative? Or is there some background on it he has that I don't (e.g., explanation in an interview or summat)? Love on ya, Susan remembering an argument she had with her father over whether or not Mr. Jones was a homosexual ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Paint It Black On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, amadain wrote: > I just always thought it was about someone in the grip of a deep, > pervasive, aggressive depression. Am I naive or is he overly imaginative? > Or is there some background on it he has that I don't (e.g., explanation in > an interview or summat)? > Susan, I'll second that huh? Without further explanatory details from MJ (or Keef, I suppose), I think it's a stretch to say that (bad affair w/prostitute, kill her, blood everywhere)'s what the song is about. > remembering an argument she had with her father over whether or not Mr. > Jones was a homosexual Dylan's Mr. J., not Brian J.? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:49:13 -0600 From: edoxtato@ssax.com Subject: Needless grinding of teeth. (.34% RH content) Eric said... >Hey, that guy sits near me at almost every concert and baseball game I've >ever been to. It gets especially annoying when he keeps talking about >Sterling Hitchcock and the Egyptians. >Eric I found this funny (I may be the only one), but I forwarded it onto a friend of mine who said, "I'm a real big fan of Alfred Hitchcock and the Syrians." I dig the mutation gig. Speaking of mutations, I got of a very fun disc yesterday called "Groovegrass 101". It's basically a collection of traditional bluegrass tunes with funk beats. It's a huge groove and great fun. (Features Bootsy Collins and Doc Watson.) And because I know you care... I bought Zappa's "The Man From Utopia". I can hear hissing and cries of indifference. And yer know what? I don't care. I can groove to Zappa. Alla that namby-pamby criticism aside, I can groove to him. Eddie "Capialisim Blows" Tews? Your posts recently have been of an exceptionally high quality. I've really enjoyed reading what you've written. I know very little of economics (cos it's always been such a crashing bore) and even less of the philosophy of economic systems-- it's good to read something from someone who can actually make a coherent argument and explain things to a nomon such as myself. Normally, I just watch "Pinky And The Brain" and base my politics on that. Thanks fer making me think. (A feat which in and of itself may net you some sort of award from the Impossible Stunts Institute.) Oh, and that Robyn Hitchcock fellow? What's HIS game? Any ideas? - -doc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:24:10 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Paint It Black >Susan, I'll second that huh? Without further explanatory details from MJ >(or Keef, I suppose), I think it's a stretch to say that (bad affair >w/prostitute, kill her, blood everywhere)'s what the song is about. Well, I'm willing to consider it on account of I had never really listened to the song that closely, and my sweetie was actually alive when it came out and I was not, so he may have read or heard something to that effect at the time. Also, he isn't at all prone to imaginative lyric interpretation (in fact, he's one of those people who doesn't particularly listen to them), so I figured he must have a reason to think that. >> remembering an argument she had with her father over whether or not Mr. >> Jones was a homosexual > >Dylan's Mr. J., not Brian J.? Dylan's. My father has always insisted that Dylan is lambasting Mr. Jones for being an aggressively in-denial closet case, and that everybody "at the time" knew that's what it was really about. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 16:08:06 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: You're a cow! Give me some milk and go home. . . . . >Dylan's. My father has always insisted that Dylan is lambasting Mr. Jones >for being an aggressively in-denial closet case, and that everybody "at the >time" knew that's what it was really about. I have always thought this -- one of my absolutely favorite Dylan songs! - -- was just a prolonged dig against a "straight" who tries to "understand" a scene, but threatens to wreck it with his repressed morality. I don't think it really has anything at all to do with being in the closet. I have always loved the malicious undercurrent of the song, as Dylan *feeds* on Mr. Jones's discomfort. It is actually a rather nasty little work, and it is clear that the libertines are taking a bit of advantage of the old bloke. Not that he doesn't deserve it, though. . . . "I feel so suicidal, just like Dylan's Mr. Jones. . . ." "Mr Jones! Put a wiggle in your stride. . . ." - --Quailie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:17:51 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Eaten By Her Own Dinner Eaten By Her Own Dinner, Grooving On An Inner Plane, Messages Of Dark, The Abandoned Brain, Happy The Golden Prince. and the sleeve includes the first half of The Professor. (speaking of which, long long ago, when i'd first signed up to the robyn fan club, i was sent a postcard of the professor strangling one ghoul in each hand, and berating them: "you stupid ghouls! you did it on purpose!" this was well before i'd known of the existence of the story from which the postcard was taken. which is to say, the card was completely out of context, and i thought it about the weirdest/funniest thing i'd ever seen. it's not quite so funny when you realise it isn't a stand-alone piece. but i'll always have the memory, i guess, of seeing it for the first time.) not saying you shouldn't give your money directly to robyn, but, it's currently on offer from ebay, and the high bid is $4.25. yes. and the Grooving On An Inner Plane is the "sock it to me, reginald!" version, which also appeared on the relativity vinyl pressing of INVISIBLE HITCHCOCK, and then finally on the rhino pressing of BLACK SNAKE (although the liner notes erroneously state that it's the country twang version with the harmonica and the subliminal vocals which appeared on the reverse side of the It's A Mystic Trip flexi. this version has not, to my knowledge, made its way onto cd as yet. it may or may not be worth noting that the version most of us were probably weaned upon --the "wangbo" version-- was originally to be found on DECAY, and then later appended to the DECOY cd.) before rhino came along and started Walking Tall, the only place one could find Happy The Golden Prince was on this piece or on the Happy The Golden Prince flexi. (additionally, the only place you could find Dr. Sticky was on the Eaten By Her Own Dinner 7".) moreover, the cover's awfully spooky/cool. so i'd say, unless your name is "eb" go ahead and get it. even though you won't be hearing anything you can't hear on cd now, you'll still be purchasing a piece of history. (if you like, as you're writing out your cheque, you can think of that line from Raiders Of The Lost Ark: "we are merely walking *through* history, indiana. but this, this *is* history.") watched Searching For Bobby Fischer last night for the first time in four or five years, and i was bawling my head off. *such* a great movie! thanks for the kind words, doxto. the funny thing is, though, i always get frustrated for knowing so *little* about economics. i guess it's one of those things, the more you read up on it, the more ignorant you realise you are... http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: tapping on trees To Branches of the feg Permatree (the topiary): If you do not want to be a Branch anymore, please let me know. There is no shame in having priorities that lie away from your cassette decks. Hint: if you still have not provided tapes to all your leaves, you may want to rethink being a branch. :) You can be relocated to Leaf status easily. There are MANY fegtapers who would love to take your place as a Branch. Branches who were way busy but anticipate being able to do much better in future, let me know. But if you think you might be a bottleneck again, please also let me know that. Thanks. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:49:07 From: "she.rex" Subject: fegbooksite Hi all! I'm working on the booksite and had a few questions, since I can't search the archives. 1. Who first mentioned _Crow_ and who wrote it? Can't seem to find the posts. 2. Who said Charles Williams was part of Golden Dawn? Was this verified? Feel free to contact me privately if you like (I get the digest so that's the quickest way). And keep posting those recommendations! The first draft of the book page will be up soon. Thanks! She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:23:48 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: more wackiness thought this would be of interest, in light of recent discussion. (from .) Whitewashing the Language For the past twenty years, Merriam-Webster's collegiate thesaurus has listed a large number of interesting synonyms for the word "homosexual". Included were such common terms as "faggot", "fruit", "uranist", "nancy"(?) and the ever popular "pederast." This "corporate mistake," as the New York Times describes it, will finally be corrected in a new edition soon to be released. To insure a more sensitive approach to gays, Merriam-Webster has resorted to a simple expedient. They simply eliminated "homosexual" from the thesaurus. The demotion of "homosexual" to an un-word (as we say in Newspeak) was defended by marketing director Deborah Burns, citing a sudden discovery that thesauruses, unlike dictionaries, need not be comprehensive (try that as an advertising slogan) and because entries for ethnic and racial minorities had already been removed. Hopefully this move will help remove prejudice against homosexuals because, of course, there won't be any. (NYT 1/20/99) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: more icky stuff On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > after WWII?> > > um, how about the ones grouped under "historical accounts" and > "contemporary accounts"? Okay, gotcha. I hope my request for sources didn't sound too snippy.... Anyway, the part I was particularly objecting to was the "refascisisation of europe and asia following the war" you alleged; there simply *was* no refascistization[1] in Europe[2] and Asia after WWII. On the other hand, I'd agree with you that the US has cooperated with a lot of loathsome regimes, including the restored English, French and Dutch empires in Asia. If you use a reeeeeealy broad definition of "fascism," one that includes these empires, your statement would fit (at least the Asian part). So although this refascistization thing might be untrue by a dictionary definition of fascism, it would work better if we define fascism the way I suspect you're using it. The problem is, such a definition is be too broad to be useful -- except in the sense that it might be useful to tag any group you oppose with the fascist label. (Did you ever meet an middle-aged person who referred to any music they didn't like, from punk to reggae to techno, as "heavy metal"? They don't know or care what the defining characteristics of the genre are; they just know the term as a label for "music I find threatening." This is kinda similar.) Not every evil government is the same. Fascist movements and regimes share a certain character not found in colonial empires, garden-variety military dictatorships, theocracies, etc. To broaden the term fascism to include all of these systems is to drain it of its conceptual utility. I may agree with you when you point out that the US has supported this or that undemocratic country; but the assertion that the US refascistized Europe and Asia is either factually untrue or based on a faulty definition of fascism. Take your pick. At this point, since I'm already blabbing on at such length, I might as well throw in a quote from Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" (1946): "In certain kinds of writing, particularly in art criticism and literary criticism, it is normal to come across long passages which are completely lacking in meaning. ... Many political words are similarly abused. The word *Fascism* has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable'." > different in both character and extent from America's previous foreign > adventures.> > > if by "extent" you mean scale, then, i agree. but it was not different > in *nature* than previous or subsequent foreign adventures. it's just > that what we could do in a weekend in grenada took seventy years with > the soviet union. Again, I disagree; the difference was in nature as well as scale. Before WWII, US foreign policy was generally either vague (territorial expansion), oriented towards a specific, limited goal (setting the Oregon boundary as far north as possible), or divided among competing goals (antebellum Southerners wanting to annex Cuba while Northerners were opposed), and our sphere of interest was seen as limited to the Americas. This started to change with the Spanish-American war, but it was really only with the Cold War that the US committed to an active, global policy with a single, overriding, ideological goal, containing Communism and building a new international capitalist economic system.[3] Of course in both periods US policy was self-interested, but the same can be said of every other country's foreign policy at any time. - --Chris (Starting to worry about carpal tunnel syndrome) NOTES: [1]As I've decided to spell it. [2]There was a fascist regime in Spain; but the Spanish Falangists were already in power, so it was hardly a case of REfascistization by the US or anyone else. The inevitable rejoinder to this is that the US and the rest of the capitalist democracies were partly responsible for letting the Franco take over in the first place, which is true enough, though it still doesn't prove the refascisitization allegation. (As a side note, more traditional conservatives and clericalists came to dominate the Spanish government after WWII, and true fascism gave way to a more ordinary dictatorship. In effect Spanish fascism ended decades before Franco's regime did.) [3]Okay, that's really two goals, but they were intertwined: Communism was a threat to capitalism (as well as to democracy, human rights, etc.), and capitalism generated greater wealth and thus power than Communism. It's pointless to argue whether promoting capitalism or fighting Communism was more important to US policy. They were (heh) two legs of the same wicket. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:37:46 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: more icky stuff: a small clarification On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Christopher Gross wrote: > Okay, gotcha. By this I meant "I understand you," not "Ha! I caught you!". Please don't take it the wrong way! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #62 ******************************