From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #53 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 08 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #49 [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dig] Re: analogy killer apps [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] yet another reply!?! [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Ooga Booga! Ooga Booga! [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] this, my friends, is fucking *amazing* ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: more pac nw whitemale blah blah blah [amadain ] Killer Apes [Charles Gillett ] Re: more pac nw whitemale blah blah blah [Insomnboy@aol.com] Another post of negativity ["Daniel Saunders" ] Re: Fegbooks ["Daniel Saunders" ] Re: links a go go [dlang ] Re: the multiverse of megafania [dlang ] rE: feGtoPiA(ry)... [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: A post of negativity [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer ] [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? [Stewart Russell 329] Re: [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? [Mark_Gloster@3c] 1929-1945 ["Ghost Surfer" ] Re: Another post of negativity [Natalie Jacobs ] sorry! ["something to read in your spare time"] ["Russ Reynolds" wrote... >> "I know the felt of Judas" > >This is amazing, James. > >I loved it. > >Damn. I wish I could write like that. Those images and allusions and >transitions blew me away. Fun and introspective. Just a big wow. :) thanks (blush). I know what some of it means, but I haven't a clue about some of it... the carpet stanza works nicely, though... >(Does anyone else really dig the way VIV looks in print? It's kind of >Roman and geometric. It's three letters, but really only two. It's life, >but it's IV, too. It's nine, but it's not IX. It's symmetrical. It's >pushing down the two sides of I. Ok, it's just me.) that, and the images and transitions... have you been using that herbal snuff again? James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:14:16 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: analogy killer apps >>>Anyway, I've been thinking about the Killer App for other technologies. >>>Those that came before the term itself. I think I've concluded that >>>Milton Berle was television's Killer App. I'm wondering what might have >>>been that for radio. What single program made people think they had to >>>rush out and buy a radio? well, in Britain it was "The Goon Show", FWIW. James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:23:16 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: yet another reply!?! >I suppose we should let the rest of you decide what niche you'd like >to fill. Oh yeah, and... Mr. Dignan? Can we come over? soiunds fine to me. The back yard is about 1/8 of an acre, but is near vertical, and may still have Japanese soldiers in it who think World War 2 is still going (I am sure I a=lso saw David Attenborough and a family of gorillas up there recently (At least I *think* it was him - I hope it wasn't his brother Richard, who tends to go in for larger genetically revived species)). The shed is dalling down (it currently defies gravity), but could be restored as a home for a cone museum. The scenery is good, and there are occasional lovcal musicians in the area (saw David Kilgour in the supermarket a couple of weeks back). >Natalie would like to request that her cat Aleister, The Great Beast, >be our mascot, but she realizes she may be presuming too much. you could get into trouble with the resident prowler, Jennifer Jane McSquiggle Angstrom O'Pusscat there... James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:41:22 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Ooga Booga! Ooga Booga! >"What the FUCK are you all freaking out about?" shouted Leonardo. man, it seems like only two days ago that someone was complaining about the lack of surrealism. Oh, it was... Be very, very thankful that the story that myself and a group of like-minded idiots worked on in our spare moments for a year will never get to fegmaniax. It ran to about 150 sides of paper, so it's a tad ling for here. Suffice to say that the story of spot, the speckled green sparrow, Grioselda's horse (and its alias, a rhinocerous with a musical horn, which later turned out to be the second coming of Christ), and the mysterious case of the cricket pitch at the bottom of the North Sea will never grace these pixels. James PS - an excerpt: Square of the wicket, a small shoal of fish shimmered, trying to evade a white pointer shark. At long off, a rusting world war II U-boat chugged gracefully by. The umpire looked up at the three hundred fathoms of water between him and the surface of the North Sea. "Not much chance of this lot clearing up before stumps" he thought. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:49:00 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: this, my friends, is fucking *amazing* v08.n043 09-Feb-1999 13:45 31k v08.n044 09-Feb-1999 14:41 31k v08.n045 09-Feb-1999 18:27 30k v08.n046 09-Feb-1999 20:20 31k v08.n047 09-Feb-1999 22:20 32k v08.n048 10-Feb-1999 12:38 32k v08.n049 10-Feb-1999 15:28 32k v08.n050 10-Feb-1999 17:26 49k v08.n051 10-Feb-1999 18:24 35k v08.n052 10-Feb-1999 21:05 30k http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:23:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the Sultan of App Susan: >>Anyway, I've been thinking about the Killer App for other technologies. >>Those that came before the term itself. I think I've concluded that >>Milton Berle was television's Killer App. I'm wondering what might have >>been that for radio. What single program made people think they had to >>rush out and buy a radio? > >Walter Winchell. Absolutely no doubt about it. I thought this was an interesting question, so I relayed it to my father, who's substantially older than me. He didn't agree with your theory. Winchell came later, he said. He mentioned "Amos & Andy" and "Fibber McGee & Molly," and he also said that when he was young and his family was too poor to have a radio (my dad grew up poooooooooooooooor...eight kids in backwoods Chattahoochee, Florida...father died when he was very young...), they would often go to other folks' houses to listen to PRIZE FIGHTS. So I dunno, maybe it's a Deep South thing, but I think this indicates boxing was the Killer App for him, eh? Maybe radio's Killer App was just sports in general? Or heck, maybe it was BABE RUTH? He's UNDOUBTEDLY the Killer App of baseball...without him, the Black Sox Scandal might've wiped out the whole operation.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:45:47 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: more pac nw whitemale blah blah blah >>You wanna see something that really seems designed to raise some >>hackles? www.moraldefense.com> And E. Tews responded: >wait a second. this is real? i honest-to-god thought this was to be >taken as satire. Oh yeah, it's real AFAIK. So is www.godhatesfags.com. (Note upon reading this later in the evening: that site seems no longer to be up. It appears they have trouble finding someone to host them. Hmm, I wonder why!) It -was- the web home of a swell guy named Fred Phelps and his weirdo cult.....oh, I'm sorry, they're a "church", aren't they? Anyway, this guy sort of has to be seen/experienced to be understood. He's one of very few people I've actually thought I could kill without my karma being badly affected. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:24:35 EST From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: this, my friends, is fucking *amazing* In a message dated 2/10/99 8:54:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, etews@hotmail.com marvels: > v08.n043 09-Feb-1999 13:45 31k > v08.n044 09-Feb-1999 14:41 31k > v08.n045 09-Feb-1999 18:27 30k > v08.n046 09-Feb-1999 20:20 31k > v08.n047 09-Feb-1999 22:20 32k > v08.n048 10-Feb-1999 12:38 32k > v08.n049 10-Feb-1999 15:28 32k > v08.n050 10-Feb-1999 17:26 49k > v08.n051 10-Feb-1999 18:24 35k > v08.n052 10-Feb-1999 21:05 30k > > You should try the Guided By Voices list. Probably thrice as verbose as we fegs, but not nearly as scholarly. Fun nonetheless, if you're a fan of GBV. Yesterday (2-9-99) the "Postal Blowfish" lish coughed up 208 individual posts. Needless to say, it's a good thing I had the last couple of days off, I've been doing nothing but reading e-mail..... Russell in LA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:31:28 EST From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Speaking of mailing lists By the way, FYI (at least for the people who use Micro$oft Windows) a trojan horse program got circulated on the Guided By Voices list the other day. It's called "happy99.exe". It seems to be targeted at newsgroup/mailing list posters for maximum penetration. What it does is send duplicate e-mails with itself attatched. So in other words, if this file is sent to you and you execute it, it will send a duplicate of every e-mail you send and attatch itself to it. So, obviously, if you get an e-mail with "Happy99.exe" attatched to it, delete it immediately. Russell in Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:44:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: tale the first: the multiverse of megafania Bayard: >The Traveller stood and faced his adversary. "Draw a link between Carl >Palmer and Robyn Hitchcock," he said, --Ah! Easy, began Ebony Bill, >"...using only albums with three or less letters," finished the Stranger. Oh, So you think you Can stump Ebony Bill, eh? Yes? Well, this is One time when you've really tripped yourself Up, Sir. Bill knows Carl Palmer and Robyn Hitchcock from A-Z, you see. Or perhaps You were just hoping to *Bug* Ebony Bill, in which case you achieved nothing which 9, 41, 154 or 712 people haven't done before. If'n you really want to make an impression, perhaps you're better off just whacking him with a 2x4 or an Oar. He might see Red and whup your Ass, but maybe you're so intent to challenge him that spending a few weeks laying Low in a hospital Bed would be worth it to you. That is, if you're lucky, and don't Go2 the hospital D.O.A. So stir up poor Bill all you like, if that's your idea of Fun. Rev his motors. Poke him in the Eye. Ram him until he bleeds himself Dry. But you better have E.S.P., because he'll search the whole damn USA until he finds you. Then he'll let the blows Fly, and leave you leaking Goo from every pore. And if you think such an act of martyrdom will impress Us, think again. Strictly L7, daddy-o. XO, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:11:32 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: the Sultan of App >I thought this was an interesting question, so I relayed it to my father, >who's substantially older than me. He didn't agree with your theory. >Winchell came later, he said. He mentioned "Amos & Andy" and "Fibber McGee >& Molly," Well, there's no doubt that these were very popular programs, and there were a slew of others. I'm surprised he didn't mention "Inner Sanctum" or Jack Benny, or Norman Corwin, or Murrow's "You Are There" (tremendously effin influential- we're still seeing the ripples now, with reality-based TV shows like "Cops"). Perhaps taken together there are 4 or 5 of these programs that would constitute the "killer app" for radio, I wouldn't really argue too hard with that. It's true too, that Winchell was a bit later on the scene than some of these, I think he started on radio in the late 30's. I still think in terms of getting listeners tho, that Winchell was key. Hell, he could get stations to take him -without a sponsor-. They were so sure that he could deliver numbers that they'd take his show anyway as a lead-in. >backwoods Chattahoochee, Florida...father died when he was very young...), This may be part of it. Winchell's demo (as we say these days) was very urban. Love on ya, Susan radio history junkie at large ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:54:45 -0600 From: Charles Gillett Subject: Killer Apes On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:36:43 +0000 (GMT), Michael Wolfe wrote: >Men have walked on the moon. MEN HAVE WALKED ON THE MOON! You actually *believe* that? On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:47:22 -0800 (PST), Capuchin wrote: >And I'm going to write to Michael privately (or just sit down at >McMenamin's and chat with him) and try to clear up some of the things I >said in passion. What's the deal with this? If I went to the McDonald's on Washington near the U of MN campus, I'd tell people "I went to the McDonald's on Washington near the U of MN campus," even though all McDonald'ses are essentially the same; but the Portlanders I've known just say "I went to McMenamin's," even though from my experience the only thing the various McMenamin'ses have in common is the fact that you can generally purchase some sort of beverage there. What else? I use Windows, mostly due to the laziness and apathy that someone else mentioned...and now that I think about it, this isn't even even my computer. - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:20:38 EST From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: more pac nw whitemale blah blah blah In a message dated 2/10/99 10:25:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > It -was- the web home of a swell guy named Fred Phelps and his weirdo > cult.....oh, I'm sorry, they're a "church", aren't they? Anyway, this guy > sort of has to be seen/experienced to be understood. He's one of very few > people I've actually thought I could kill without my karma being badly > affected. > > Yeah, he's the asshole who took a group of protesters to Matthew Shepard's funeral. Talk about crass................ Russell in LA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" Subject: Another post of negativity > Ack... I hate Terry Pratchett so goddamn much... there's only so much of > that smirky, clever-clever shtick I can stand. At least Douglas Adams is > funny. Die! Die! With worms eating your eyes!! Thank you. Daniel Saunders "Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" Subject: Re: Fegbooks > > Talking Anthony Burgess (which we were, sort of), he is much more than > > just the author of Clockwork Orange. His Keats novel 'Abba Abba' is great; > > his Shakespeare in love novel 'Nothing like the sun' is pretty good; the > > Enderby books are extremely funny; and I really enjoyed the two volumes of > > memoirs that I read (Little Wilson and Big God and the other one). But he > > wrote a lot of books and some of the other stuff is less good. > > The Wanting Seed is pretty good too. But 1985 is crap. I was very disappointed - I'm a fan of both Burgess and Orwell. It starts off well, with some pretty good essays about 1984, but it goes downhill really quickly when he unveils his own attempt at a dystopia (which he insists on calling a "cacotopia"). Daniel Saunders (How dare you compare Terry Pratchett to Piers Anthony and Ann Rice?!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:53:45 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: links a go go bayard wrote >Gasp! My god-- it's a Quail's egg! Someone notify the Friends of Feg! We're on to it , the site has been nuked. d ( Just call me mr teenage snit )lang ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:04:49 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: the multiverse of megafania I toast ye good sir Bayard , well done sirrah !more power to your elbow. dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:52:48 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: rE: feGtoPiA(ry)... Oh, please do count me in. I think the bunch needs an experienced jester. Um. Y'know, among the other ones. New Zealand is one of the dream destinations for my sweety and myself. I understand they have some fairly anti-podean immigration laws, and they probably impound pets for a long time. Maybe our "insiders" can help. Zena must need "a big dork" for the next season, and I am a "brilliant actor" when playing myself. If we did it by june we could have a very long ski season this year. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:54:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: A post of negativity >>>>> "Natalie" == Natalie Jacobs writes: Natalie> Ack... I hate Terry Pratchett so goddamn much... I now do, too. I devoured his first 12 books, then there was a sudden >poit!< and I realised I hated them. >> PS The greatest personality of the 20th century is of course de >> Selby, who would have swept the board if he hadn't turned into >> a bicycle :) Natalie> Well, of course! Did he turn into a bicycle? I thought he returned to his wife in Argentina? - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:59:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Fegtopia >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Clark writes: Tom> On 2/10/99 1:50 PM, Capuchin wrote: >> Can Stewart and I run MkLinux? And can you rig the USB ports >> for us? >> Tom> Deal! Urgh, no. Unless there's a way to hack a three-button Mouse Systems mouse onto a Mac, I wouldn't touch one (with anyone's bargepole) for X... unless you can cluster 'em to do Beowulf, that is. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:24:19 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: yet another reply!?! On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, James Dignan wrote: >(I am sure I a=lso saw David Attenborough and a family of > gorillas up there recently (At least I *think* it was him - I hope it > wasn't his brother Richard, who tends to go in for larger genetically > revived species)). James, what's this about human rights for great apes in NZ? - - Mike Godwin PS I think ITMA was the big show that got English people buying radios - it preceded the Goon Show by 8-9 years. For TV, I reckon it was when Hancock made the move from radio ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:37:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? This is rabidly off topic, but as (mostly) American Anglophiles you might be able to comment: Why is it that some Brits really enjoy slagging off America, and Americans? Why is it that said Brits expect Americans to be able to sit through this kind of abuse and like it? My partner, Catherine, is a sensitive midwesterner, and is often distressed by this attitude. Why, when sent another e-mail samizdat (you know the type; lines about 90 chars long, prefixed with '>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>') "joke" comes round entitled "More Reasons Why Americans Are Stupid" do I get the response 'Get a sense of humour' when I complain? Stuff like this sorely tests my belief in the 'that of God in all', I can tell you. Anyone? Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:41:23 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? I've only seen a couple of these things aimed at the yanks, but I have a few ideas.... 1. British history passes down some amount of judgement upon their victors in several wars. They still have had difficulty in forgiving us for events that occurred more than a century ago. 2. British schools tend to be a little bit better than American ones, and people all over Europe average more college than yanks. 3. A small percentage of Americans act very poorly when travelling abroad. They are obvious and make us look terrible. 4. The national character of Britain, especially England, is reserved and uptight, and acting in a more careless manner appears ignorant. 5. Our gunboat international diplomacy is considered laughable by most Europeans (the Brits have no real moral high ground here.) 6. Some of the jokes are like blonde jokes, probably without real anger, but they had to pick on somebody. I don't usually get too angry when people pick on Americans for being stupid, lazy, or acting like they're John Wayne. I think some of us act those ways. I can get irritated when I am individually lumped in with the rest of them. "You're an American, you must be for the killing of babies in Iraq" doesn't put one on my good side. I also think that every culture wants to feel superior to any other, and pointing out differences can constitute fuel for smugness. When I was in England, I think I was treated individually with great warmth and respect. I made more "ugly American" jokes than any of the Brits I was around. I had a blast there. My rental car kinda sucked, though. 'appies, - -Markg Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer on 02/11/99 03:37:34 AM Please respond to Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer To: fegmaniax@smoe.org cc: (Mark Gloster/HQ/3Com) Subject: [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? This is rabidly off topic, but as (mostly) American Anglophiles you might be able to comment: Why is it that some Brits really enjoy slagging off America, and Americans? Why is it that said Brits expect Americans to be able to sit through this kind of abuse and like it? My partner, Catherine, is a sensitive midwesterner, and is often distressed by this attitude. Why, when sent another e-mail samizdat (you know the type; lines about 90 chars long, prefixed with '>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>') "joke" comes round entitled "More Reasons Why Americans Are Stupid" do I get the response 'Get a sense of humour' when I complain? Stuff like this sorely tests my belief in the 'that of God in all', I can tell you. Anyone? Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:32:20 PST From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: 1929-1945 >i think i've figured out that there must be subliminal messages in IN >THE AEROPLANE OVER THE SEA that make you keep listening to >it over and over and over and over again. of course, King Of Carrot >Flowers does seem to follow so naturally from Two Headed Boy. You do know this about Anne Frank don't you? The whole album, not just those songs. She's the girl he's in love with, who he wants to rescue in "some sort of time machine". Holland 1945 is the most obvious song to her, but she's all over the album. Rumour has it that they've now split up. Could be just a rumour. Don't i get an invite to fegtopia? - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:38:13 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: Another post of negativity >> Ack... I hate Terry Pratchett so goddamn much... there's only so much of >> that smirky, clever-clever shtick I can stand. At least Douglas Adams is >> funny. > >Die! Die! With worms eating your eyes!! "You may think that some people should be deader than they are... well, they're gonna be." - Mr. R. Hitchcock >Thank you. You're welcome. >"Reality is that which when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." > - Philip K. Dick And thank you, Phil. n. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:17:32 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: sorry! ["something to read in your spare time"] whoops! I meant to forward that hilarious Nikki Sixx interview Eddie posted to a friend and I guess I forgot to remove fegmaniax from the address line. Sorry if any of you accidentally read it twice. - -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:27:21 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: RE: [Non-RH] This really pisses me off; does it you too? I feared this kind of thing when I visited England 2 years ago. I figured I'd be hit with all kinds of stares and find myself unwittingly violating all kinds of norms and making myself a stink. But I didn't. Contributing factors on my end: * I didn't drive. That alone would've made me extremely impolite. 8-) * I spoke quietly. * I asked my friends what I should do if I thought I might offend. * I dressed conservatively. * I didn't complain about things 'not being like home.' (actually, I really loved that and it was the reason I went. why go if you want it to be like home? it's expensive. stay home and watch _Her Majesty Mrs. Brown_) * I tend to find most "merkin" things pretty repulsive anyway. Factors on their end that may have made a difference: * We were in Yorkshire most of the time, and never in London. * It was the euphoric period between Tony Blair's election and Di's death. The national mood was very very up. * I was the guest of a dear dear American friend and his fellow university students, so conversation and debate was free and friendly. We did more comparison and contrast than anything in our discussions, but we traded little jabs without incident, each side glad to laugh at itself. For more, you could go see http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1031/england.html if you want. Or you could have a pickle. 8-) Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: the Sultan of App On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Eb wrote: > I thought this was an interesting question, so I relayed it to my father, > who's substantially older than me. He didn't agree with your theory. > Winchell came later, he said. He mentioned "Amos & Andy" and "Fibber McGee > & Molly," Amos & Andy premiered in 1927 (though Sam & Henry was around for a few years previous to that), and Fibber McGee & Molly, in 1935 (though Smackouts was around before that). (and Jack Benny in 1932, though the show wasn't technically his. He was the MC on a musical program for a year.) I think that Amos & Andy qualifies as the killer app in radio, at least during the early 30s. Theatres would stop the movies and play the show over their PA system, because otherwise people would leave. Also, The Kingfish was the Killer App for Amos & Andy, muscling Amos out of the show shortly after he appeared, due to listener demand. (Amos, the Kingfish and Lightnin' were played by Freeman Gosden. Amos got, if he was lucky, one scene per show.) Well, at least A&A was the Killer App for radio comedy. The Shadow (at least back when it had Orson Welles) and Lux Radio Theatre were real competitors in terms of market share and program quality. (And yeah, in BBC-controlled territories, the Goons were it, probably. How popular was "I'm sorry, I'll read that again"? It seems to bounce between a sort of proto-Monty Python style and total unlistenability.) And do any of you pay attention to any of those "site of the day", "top 100" sites or internet review services? If so, which ones? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:42:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Fegtopia, Math, and whatnot Hmm ... the day that the list gets really active, GWU's whole system goes down for about ten hours. Coincidence? On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 mrrunion@palmnet.net wrote: > Henceforth, Brewer Tom shall be known as > Ecolab Salesman Tom. While I can attest that > his brewing and wood-gathering skills are > still rapier sharp, the products of his > efforts now have the faint taste of > industrial soap and the smarmy smell of > finally being "in the money!" Back at the Feg Hootenanny last May, Tom was dissatisfied with one of his numerous jugs of home-brew. It just wasn't up to his standards. Perhaps even then the industrial soap and smarm were starting to seep in? Though in my humble opinion, even that batch tasted better than half the store-boughten brands out there. - --Chris (pining for another FegFest) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #53 ******************************