From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #41 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 8 1999 Volume 08 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: Elliott Smith tour schedule [Carole Reichstein ] Re: Elliott Smith tour schedule [Joel Mullins ] required writing [Bayard ] re: Ell-i-utt... [Eb ] Neil Gaiman and other random notes [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] All hail Brak! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] From LA Weekly [Griffith Davies ] Moss Elixir available for peanuts on EBAY [Aaron Lowe ] Re: do you miss Oj's knee? [Bayard ] Re: From LA Weekly [Eb ] Re: From LA Weekly [Terrence M Marks ] Re: From LA Weekly [Eb ] Re: Toast (was wqRe: Neil Gaiman and other random notes) [Mark_Gloster@3c] a question we've all been wondering about [Eb ] [Fwd: MP3 SOUNDBYTING Campaign] [John Barrington Jones ] Re: From LA Weekly [dmw ] Re: a question we've all been wondering about [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: re: Elliott Smith tour schedule Hey, Zloduska! Thanks for posting Mr. Smith's tour schedule. I had *no idea* he was playing Satyricon (here in PDX) on the 26th. Wheee! I get to see him 3 times! Must run to Ticketmaster. ;) Hey, all my friends are going to see Marilyn Manson instead of seeing Elliott with me. Sheesh. Where are their priorities? Anyway, I'll be at the La Luna show if anyone wants to say howdy. Carole ps to Joel: when you see Elliott, are you going to ask him to sing "Linctus House?" Hee-hee, couldn't resist. ;) pps-But hey, I'd love to hear him do a cover of it! But would it work without Robyn's sardonic, British voice? Probably not. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:15:42 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Scariest thing I've seen on the Web lately http://enigma.adsl.net.cmu.edu/~ad3q/pictures/jim.jpg This person also has lunatic theories about the "plot" to kill John Lennon. Somehow, it's not surprising, is it? Eb PS Regarding DLang, all he's REALLY fuming about is me attaching his name to that list of old secondhand records which some unrecalled Fegyn posted. Yep, the Indignant Deadhead gene kicking back into gear. However, given the slant of his musical tastes and the predominance of '70s blooz-rock dudes on the list in question, I don't think my comment was too far offbase. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:16:22 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Elliott Smith tour schedule > ps to Joel: when you see Elliott, are you going to ask him to sing > "Linctus House?" Hee-hee, couldn't resist. ;) I just might do that. Especially if I get to the show 5 hours before he goes on stage and have a lot of beer money. Making a complete ass out of myself in front of Robyn was just not enough for me. I think I should let Elliot laugh at me too. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: required writing > Dlang: > >Besides, the surreal posse appears to be more or less dead, so much of the > >interest in the list has gone for me , I mean, now even the Quail can't finish > >his stories > >, so,correct me if I'm wrong, but at present the list seems about as Surreal > >as a mollusc in a shell. But do not overlook that splendid recent contribution from the Qu- I mean, Eddie! That was wonderful-- The rest of that day Chris and I were asking each other "Did he post anything else?" and one of us would go check. Keep it up, Ed! And I certainly hope I'll be reading part II of Quail's latest feg-effort before before NEXT Christmas... =b np: Rhino Remix of Element of Light. Thought I'd better grab it before they're all gone... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:41:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: Ell-i-utt... I'd say that Elliott Smith is *the* artist I haven't seen live yet, at this point (well, out of artists who are actually *feasible* to see live...ie, those who dependably tour, aren't dead and aren't split up). He's playing in LA on March 3rd and 4th, and I'll be very disappointed if I don't manage to see one of those dates. Coincidentally, what could be the number *two* artist on my Must-See list is playing the 5th and 6th: Sleater-Kinney. Woo, big week there. Eb, wondering when the hell Of Montreal will travel out west (ugly mugs and all), and what's up with the alleged P.M. Dawn and Brian Wilson tours ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Neil Gaiman and other random notes > Natalie! Congratulations on your coup with Mr. Neil Gaiman! Isn't he the > nicest man? Yes, he was very, very nice. We also discoursed briefly on the British vs. American pronounciation of my name. (Brits say "Natalie," Americans say "Naddalie.") > My god, I've never seen so many men in capes in my *life.* I swear, there > must've been a thousand goths, geeks, Toriphiles, punks and probably a few > vampires at this reading. I do agree that tall men look better in capes > than short ones. The crowd at the Ann Arbor signing was about equally divided between goths, geeks, and punks, with a few normal people who just happened by as well. (I'm not sure what catagory I fit into; despite my nose ring and dyed hair, I look quite normal, as various Fegs will attest.) There were no capes in evidence, strangely enough. > (ps--what book did he sign of yours, and what'd he write inside? Just > curious.) He signed my battered and well-loved trade paperback of "Brief Lives," and wrote "Natalie - Sweet dreams..." The scarab seal is reposing in the change pocket of my wallet, along with the Tiddley-wink that the drummer from Pavement gave me back in 1992. > I didn't actually mean to send that last email. I'm really drunk. I love this list. From the Bern itinerary: > 3/13 The Ark Ann Arbor, MI/ 735-761-1451/ 8 pm Gee... should I bother? Hmm... I thought I didn't like him, but now I'm listening to his first album again and kind of digging it... Brian Wilson is also coming to town, on March 9. I know I probably ought to go, since he's a Legend and all, and I'll probably be kicking myself in a year or two if I don't go (the same way I'm kicking myself for not seeing Ray Davies last year), but... at the moment, anyway... I just don't care enough. Oh well. > i submitted joel's message to the babelfish, with the following results: I *really* love this list. And for the record, I do like Surreal spew as well, especially when I turn up as a character in it. :) A final random note: after much perserverance, I have *finally* been converted to the gospel of Olivia Tremor Control and am eagerly awaiting their new album. I still think "Cubist Castle" is too damn long, though. n. p.s. Good wishes and happies and healing to Randi... get well soon. np: that Dan Bern guy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:19:38 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Comic-book starfucking/Triffids >From: Natalie Jane Jacobs >Last night I determinedly stood in line for several hours to get a book >signed by Neil Gaiman, author of "Sandman" and other fine books and comics >and things. If I'd known you were going to see him I'd have got you to ask whether he ever listened to my tape (probably once, then taped over, but never mind). I presented him with a copy at asceince fiction convention here last year after his guest of honpour speech (in which he said - "I'm disappointed with you New Zealanders - no-one;'s given me the obligatory free tape of their music yet!") >be such a list on somebody's web-page somewhere.> > >uh, just start with Homage To Catalonia, and you'll be on your way. ok, >ok, The Flosshilde Diaries, as well. add "The Master and Margarita", by Bulgakov, to that list. Even Eb wrote: >In other "death" news, I hear that the ex-leader of the Triffids died hence my RIP David McComb comment a couple of days back. Sigh. I guess by messages aren't read after all... thought to be a heart attack (he had a transplant a couple of years back) exacerbated by stress following a recent car crash. >Ted Hughes also wrote The Iron Man, a book that some British fella named >Pete made an album of. (how's that for a dangling preposition?) it was also a couplet of his that Paul Simon's song "My little town" was written about - or on, or around: pick your preposition. Personally, I prefer ending my sentences with propositions - how about you? >"Also could somebody recommend a Triffids album. I hadn't heard anything >about them until the death yesterday of their singer. They sound very >interesting. 'Born Sandy Devotional' is probably the best, although if you like your albums with lush production, then 'Calenture' might be the one to go for. They're both excellent. James James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:27:28 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #40 >Will Y2K wreak havoc on the robyn hitchcock mailing list? > >Poeple get what they deserve.... yes, and computers seem to think that time is round and space is curved - round and curved enough to start again in 1900 James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:40:18 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #40 >>"how better to celebrate Waitangi Day?", (and here follows the Nugent >>lyric...) > > Real cogent discussion stuff that , hmm ? Cogent Nugent? Plangent reagent! Fragrant regent; Cajun tangent! Personally, I wish for a nice balance between the surreal and the straighforward. But how do you decide on such a balance? Ah... there is a method, but I'm afraid It's an ancient Chinese secret... James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Scariest thing I've seen on the Web lately On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Eb wrote: > http://enigma.adsl.net.cmu.edu/~ad3q/pictures/jim.jpg > > This person also has lunatic theories about the "plot" to kill John Lennon. > Somehow, it's not surprising, is it? what the hell was the point of making us all look at *that*? and how did you stumble on it, anyway? never mind, i don't really want to know. scrubbing my cache, i can eat glass - -- d. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:27:11 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: All hail Brak! > From: Eb > > XTC To Appear On Space Ghost Yes! Andy Partridge vs. Moltar? My money's on Andy! You know, I've long thought that Robyn would be *perfect* on Space Ghost -- and I'd wish Warner Bros. or his management would have booked him to promote the new album. Could you imagine Robyn's responses to questions like, "Are you getting enough oxygen?" and "Got any gum?" Yikes, I couldn't bear the brilliance. Yup, I'm a blathering Space Ghost fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:44:13 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: From LA Weekly In the Other Comedy listing in the LA WEEKLY this week: "Eb is Ded" (sic) a "sick and smart improv comedy" at the Tsunami Cafe in Silverlake. some can only hope... griffith starfucking this weekend: Marion Ross (Mrs Cunningham of "Happy Days" fame) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:29:07 -0600 From: Aaron Lowe Subject: Moss Elixir available for peanuts on EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=64229420 :) Aaron * Aaron Lowe [ aaron@aaronlowe.com ] http://aaronlowe.com "Well man created the cardboard box to sleep in it And man created the newspaper for a blanket Well you have to admit that we've come a long way Since swinging around in the trees" ~~XTC _The Smartest Monkeys ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Toast (was wqRe: Neil Gaiman and other random notes) On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > Yes, he was very, very nice. We also discoursed briefly on the British > vs. American pronounciation of my name. (Brits say "Natalie," Americans > say "Naddalie.") > I beg to differ. Americans pronounce both intravocalic 't' and intravocalic 'd' as a flap, but distinguish between the two by lenghtening the preceding vowel, as is always done before a voiced consonant (not that the flap is voiced, but rather that the vowel- lengthening rule is applied before the flapping rule). On the subject of 't' I've nearly completed my monograph on the symbolism of toast in Robyn Hitchcock's work. Material from the PV's archive has definitevly established that "Have a Heart, Betty" chronologically precedes "The Duke Of Squeeze"; thus, we can safely say that the toast as non-genital eroticism theme ("caught between your teeth" - alternate versions have "lips") precedes and gives context to the "I'll have your bits on toast" threat issued by the eponymous Duke. Thus we can say that the toast theme represents an amplification and distortion of the song's earlier sexual heat; the toast theme contrasts rather than complements the pain and death motif. (Vicki October's earlier work on this subject was predicated on the reverse ordering.) Thus, when in "Devil's Coachman" Hitchcock writes "I could have strangled him; I'm English - though - so I made him coffee and I made him toast" the toast-as-sex equation of Hitchcock's earlier oeuvre acts to boldly negate the popular perception of the British as sexless - in fact, unconventional sexuality is equivalent to Englishness itself. This turns Dualit's assertion that their toasters are "as much a part of British life as toast itself" into a sly double entendre. While researching I found that the Kinks have actually written more songs about toast than Hitchcock has, but unfortunately one morning I put butter on the report and ate it by mistaked. I don't mind on account of never having much liked the Kinks anyway. Are there going to be more songs about toast on _Jewels for Sophia_? There are never enough of them. (References: http://www.dualit.co.uk) - -- #! /usr/local/bin/perl $o=8889100880689;$s='1f6f544f';$o*=5;for(27,o(split//,$o),54){print t($_)}sub o{for(@_){$_||(push@a,0)&&next;/3/?push@a,$_.=4:/5/?push@a ,$_.=3:push@a,$_.=chop$s}@a}sub t{chr(hex($_)+32)} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:59:21 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: Re: why mp3s won't destroy the record industry since i get the digest, i risk being late in relevance. . . others have already made a good argument for why mp3's won't destroy the record industry. . . having put some songs up for free consumption on mp3.com, mostly so my friends can hear and i can order a cd of my own music (it's nice to have it on a more permanent form than tape), i can say that: 1. it's mostly just my friends who have found it, and 2. without touring (for which i have no time or proper equipment) or a recording contract, i have no reason to believe many people would find it. 3. and why should they? i haven't listened to many of the other bands, even though three or four of them mention robyn hitchcock in their description or "influences" section. i or these other bands might suck, or might be great, but most people won't find out because, hey, you have to make some decisions about where your times goes. and most of my time goes to clinical psychology. . . i do think that for bands which have the ability/inclination to tour and build a fan base, mp3s could help. but i don't think they'll ever match the (admittedly very fickle and risky) promoting power of huge organizations. i mean, to bring it back to robyn: surely there's a reason he signed with warner brothers. i've heard it said that they're friendly to artistic types, but they're also big. they may not be doing much to publicize robyn, but i bet they're doing something. . . (maybe i'm wrong?) N.B. any surreal or nonsurreal element of this post does not endorse any side of any argument. tom FREE music: http://www.mp3.com/tlr3 ************************************************************************ *data collection now at one half!!! data collection now at one half!!!* ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:23:11 -0800 (PST) From: Danielle Subject: Re: do you miss Ojanee? Eb: > >>So how are YOU going to celebrate Waitangi Day tomorrow? > > I'll probably just think irritated things about Danielle. Eric, this is a particularly lame manifestation of your usual passive-aggressive bullshit. If you want to continue this ridiculous - and *months*-long - argument of ours in 'public', be my guest. I recommend, however, that you don't push your luck. I'm in no mood to be charitable. Danielle, who wants to make it clear that she is still very fond of Eb despite her current profound irritation with him _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: do you miss Oj's knee? > Eric, this is a particularly lame manifestation of your usual > passive-aggressive bullshit. If you want to continue this ridiculous - > and *months*-long - argument of ours in 'public', be my guest. I > recommend, however, that you don't push your luck. I'm in no mood to > be charitable. So the question on all of our minds is..... When's the wedding, you two?!? PS. WELCOME BACK, TRACY! =b pps. Aaron, how're you coming on those tapes you're making for me? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:22:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: From LA Weekly >In the Other Comedy listing in the LA WEEKLY this week: > >"Eb is Ded" (sic) a "sick and smart improv comedy" at the Tsunami Cafe >in Silverlake. > >some can only hope... Related question: Is there a computer-games software company called "EB"? During my Xmas shopping, I wandered into a software shop and was puzzled to see a large "eb" logo (small case) on the wall next to some more recognizable brands. Huh? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: From LA Weekly On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Eb wrote: > Related question: Is there a computer-games software company called "EB"? > During my Xmas shopping, I wandered into a software shop and was puzzled to > see a large "eb" logo (small case) on the wall next to some more > recognizable brands. Huh? Was it, perchance an Electronics Boutique store? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:49:21 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: From LA Weekly Griffith: >starfucking this weekend: Marion Ross (Mrs Cunningham of "Happy Days" fame) Actually, I would've had a question for Ms. Ross, because I've been up late for weeks trying to understand the premise of her new commercial. It's a plug for a long-distance calling company, I think, and Ross and Tom Bosley are comfortably chatting at the breakfast table about long-distance bargains. But it's all a paradox, you see. OK, if they're supposed to be living together, then they must be reprising their roles as Marion and Howard Cunningham, right? But NO...Marion calls Bosley "Tom." Verisimilitude punctured! Fascinating. Is this to suggest that Ross' and Bosley's happy on-air union eventually spilled over into real life? Or is it a mere continuity goof, a la Hamill's legendary cry of "Carrie!" during Star Wars? Eddie, you're the one who's plugged so deeply into cultural counterintelligence...have you heard anything from your mole? Who's zooming who? Eb, who finds this question more interesting than anything that happened on The X Files tonight PS You didn't say where you saw her, Griffith.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:55:02 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Toast (was wqRe: Neil Gaiman and other random notes) Dice to gnow dhat Dracy is yet abung us. Every dime I hear the word "Doast" I bust admid dhad I dhing ov her. I like using the sofdened ledders when I say "Nadalee," "Derrens," and even "Ev". Id so frighdens veovle when I youse vergussive gonsonans. I alzo dend to spid my frigadives zo I dry do diminizh dhem lezd my audienz ged guverd in zpiddle. Dhiz allowz me do geep mosd ov my zlovver very glose do my vase, dhough id mages me loog lige a drooling idiod and mages me sbell funny gause I learned vinedigally. Dhangs vor dha posd, Dracy. Zorry iv your email bogs is vull of dribble, drivel, or sbidvligaded frigadives. Habbiez, - -Marg "shargboy" Glozder, or hiz gat Dusdy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:30:10 -0800 From: Eb Subject: a question we've all been wondering about > From: dkindness@my-dejanews.com > Newsgroups: rec.music.theory > Subject: Difference between Eb and D#? > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:56:55 GMT > > Hi All, > > I need someone to settle an argument we're having in the office and this >looks > like a good place to start. > > Question: Is there any difference in tone between Eb and D#? > > An explanation or pointer to further info would be much appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:54:39 -0800 From: John Barrington Jones Subject: [Fwd: MP3 SOUNDBYTING Campaign] Hey, far be it from me to forward boring posts to you fegs, but this one is semi-related to some stuff we talked about last week. >Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:26:13 -0600 >From: Justin >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: no-more-songs@cs.pdx.edu >Subject: [Fwd: MP3 SOUNDBYTING Campaign] >Sender: owner-no-more-songs@cs.pdx.edu >Precedence: bulk >ReSent-Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:49:48 -0700 (MST) >ReSent-From: Luther Gaylord >ReSent-To: lobstie@e-z.net > > > With all the talk about MP3s and all that, I thought it was kind of >funny this popped in my mailbox. So I guess I'm not allowed to use my >university Internet access to download MP3s anymore. > > >-Justin > >Return-Path: >Received: from hermes.services.ou.edu (hermes.services.ou.edu [129.15.2.121]) > by poseidon.services.ou.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18790; > Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:35:21 -0600 (CST) >Received: from valen.backbone.ou.edu by hermes.services.ou.edu with ESMTP; >Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:35:20 -0600 >Received: (from root@localhost) > by valen.backbone.ou.edu (8.9.2.Beta4/8.9.2.Beta4) id DAA05127; > Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:35:19 -0600 (CST) >Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:35:19 -0600 (CST) >Message-Id: <199902060935.DAA05127@valen.backbone.ou.edu> >From: Academic User Services >To: recipient list supressed <> >Subject: MP3 SOUNDBYTING Campaign > >Dear Student: > >As the fastest growing information medium, the Internet is transforming >how people learn, do business and are entertained. However, like all >major advances, the Internet does not come without challenges. One specific >challenge is the impact that new technologies have on copyrighted works, >including recorded music. > >As members of the academic community, we must help resolve these challenges, >which is why The University of Oklahoma has agreed to participate in a >national education campaign focused on music on the Internet. The >SOUNDBYTING Campaign has been developed to address the creation and use of >MP3 sites that provide unauthorized access to copyrighted sound recordings >on the Internet. This Campaign is designed to provide critical information >on respecting artists' rights and an understanding of copyright laws that >pertain to music on the Internet. > >During the next several weeks, you will see information around campus that >focuses on the issue of using sound recordings online. Information is >available on the DCTS Helpdesk page at http://www.ou.edu/helpdesk. For >additional information on this topic, we suggest you visit >http://www.soundbyting.com. This site explains the basic copyright >principles and provides information specifically addressing the use of >recorded music online. > >Finally, a copy of The University of Oklahoma Internet policies is >available on the web. As you can see, the unauthorized use of copyrighted >works on the school's computer system is a violation of school policy. >Anyone who violates this policy faces potential disciplinary action under >The University of Oklahoma Student Code of Responsibility and Conduct >(http://www.ou.edu/provost/code). As a student, you are provided with the >privilege of using campus computer networks. It is your responsibility to >familiarize yourself with these policies and adhere to them. > >If you would like more information about The University of Oklahoma Internet >policies or participation in this Campaign, please contact The Office of the >Judicial Coordinator at 325-3163 or Oklahoma Memorial Union, Suite 370. >Thank you for your attention to this issue. > >Sincerely, >Lee M. Colaw, Director >Department of Computing and Telecommunication Services > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:43:10 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: From LA Weekly On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Griffith Davies wrote: > "Eb is Ded" (sic) a "sick and smart improv comedy" at the Tsunami Cafe that reminds me: "`Give us the bottle, Dickie boy,' said a high-pitched, sneering voice; and with a gutteral oath his companion complied. `I 'ates the very sight o' such dank and nasty places, I do. I _still_ says we should'uv gone 'round by the 'igh road. It's perishin' dark and wet in 'ere.' The lanthorn's light careened wildly up the rock wall opposite, and I assumed that Dickie had cuffed his parner about the head -- which supposition was confirmed not an instant later by a howl of pain. `'Ere, now, what's the cause o' that?' `I told you afore to shut up, Eb. Now _shut up_, I say. We've serious business above, and it's as much as our necks are worth if the Reverend finds out.' `'E's not a-goin' to find out,' the man called Eb rejoined, in a wounded tone, `'less you tells 'im, or I tells 'im and that's not a-goin' to 'appen. We're snug coves, and do things proper. Care for a nip?' `Put it away and stow your gaff.'" ...etc. - -- Stephanie Barron, _Jane and the Man of the Cloth_ pp. 194-195 (reviewed at the url below, in fact) - -- d. acutally, it _does_ hurt me. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:46:22 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: a question we've all been wondering about On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Eb wrote: > > Question: Is there any difference in tone between Eb and D#? Yes there is. This refers back to the 'tempering' discussion which we had some time ago. Any competent stringed instrument player will tell you that you have to retune the instrument to play in different keys. I don't know the full physics of the thing, but when you take the frequency of any root note as x: the octave has a frequnecy of 2x the 5th has a frequency of 1.5x and all the other notes can be described in a similar way. Unfortunately the proportions don't quite line up for every possible different root note, which is why they do tempering. Keyboard players are stuck with these 'averaged' notes, so that on a keyboard you only have one note to hit for both Eb and D#. - - Mike "I had classically trained parents too" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:46:27 +0000 From: "manitas de platano" Subject: Re: a question we've all been wondering about > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Eb wrote: > > > Question: Is there any difference in tone between Eb and D#? > To which Mike G. replied: > Yes there is. This refers back to the 'tempering' discussion which we had > some time ago. Are you telling us they're both even-tempered??? yuk yuk, Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 99 12:07:22 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Forwarded email from Randi [ :( ] >I suddenly feel like I'm making >an "Academy Award" speech...and the music is swelling Nah, you would have needed to be a whole lot tackier, longer, and there should have been a troupe of interpretive dancers wanking their way through a muzaky version of a Celine Dion song. . . . You just sounded like Randi thanking her friends, as you always do in your own sweet way. - --quail the great PS: Unless, of course, there *was* a troupe of interpretive dancers wanking their way through a muzaky version of a Celine Dion song as you sent your message; I really have no way of knowing, I suppose. I hear nurses are pretty good at that interpretive dancing stuff. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #41 ******************************