From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #32 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 31 1999 Volume 08 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Words to 1974 [S Dwarf ] Re: "yeah right, humans. wake up. this is a gwar show." -- brian prosser [cinders blue ] Re: observations [S Dwarf ] Re: old records [steve ] Re: old records [Eb ] Re: Words to 1974 [cinders blue ] Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? [Ross Overbury ] Re: old records [Eric Loehr ] Partridge/XTC demos [Eric Loehr ] bmi [cinders blue ] Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? (NR) [steve ] Re: old records (fwd) [Eric Loehr ] And another thing! (nonRH) ["Caroline Smith" ] Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? [Eb ] Re: damn straight! ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Words to 1974 ["Capitalism Blows" ] "rug pee-ers did not do this." ["Capitalism Blows" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:27:41 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Words to 1974 since i can't find them in the list archives and can't remember someone else posting them...feel free to point where i'm an idiot 1974 You have two coffees One of them is one coffee too many for you On a health kick Yeah, trying to lead a middle aged life Well, it's either that or drop dead Wait till you get older than this And then turn around and tell me I was young for my age, yeah And it feels like 1974 Waiting for the waves to come and crash on the shore But you're far inland, mmmmmm You're in FunkyDeminWonderland You and David Crosby and a bloke with no hands You're got hair in places Most people haven't got brains, ooh But it feels like 1974 Syd Barrett's last session, he can't sing anymore And he's gonna have to be Roger now For the rest of his life, ahhh Enough about me, let's talk about you You working at the Earth Exchange in path 22 "Rebel Rebel" was your favorite song On the Archway Row ???? Where it all belongs All those molecules of time Which you thought you'd shed forever All those inches of time But you thought you could just say "Bye Bye" And as Nixon left The White House, you could you hear people say They'll never rehabilitate that mother, no way Yep Whirry, whirry goes the helicopter out of my way I got a president to drop in the void Oooh Python's last series and The Guardian says "The Stench of Rotting Minds....." But what else could you smell back them? You didn't have to try to hard You could smell the heads festering from in the backyard There's a baby in a basket and he's taken your name And one day he'll grow up and say "Who are you, Eh?" And you say that's where it ended But I said, no no no, it just faded away August was great It feels like 1974 Ghastly mellow saxophones all over the floor Feels Like 1974 You could vote for Labour but you can't anymore Feels like 1974 Digging Led Zeppelin in Crimsby Oh, Christ! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:31:32 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: "yeah right, humans. wake up. this is a gwar show." -- brian prosser also sprach Capitalism Blows: > >but it *was* with a band, not just robyn solo demos? the majority of the tracks are just robyn with acoustic and/or electric guitar, but there are a few with additional help: the four live songs with deni ("de chirico street", "sinister but happy", "beautiful queen" (which sounds like it was taken from one of the shows at the ark in ann arbor from 1995) and "statue with a walkman") and that stunning "surfer ghost" which can also be heard on unhatched crablings vol.2. for those who haven't heard it, it starts with an reverb-laden robyn and someone sounding a lot like andy metcalfe singing the "san diego" bit in a round. it also sounds like andy playing bass on that one. (didn't robyn play this on some radio appearance?) > >who put the "[sic]" in there, and why? i did because they neglected the single quotes in the title. >now, just *when* will those archives become searchable? when i get off my lazy ass. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Words to 1974 >They'll never rehabilitate that mother, no way Sometimes sung as "They're gonna rehabilitate that mother someday", which I think is cool because he makes 'rehabilitate' sound like something really nasty. And on an unrelated, dead thread, the lyric that really bugs me is "You get tea with your afternoon tea", from the Kinks' "Have a Cuppa Tea". It's too stupidly obvious and it really bugs me. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:47:53 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: observations Eb sed: > Barkatcars: > >Apples and oranges... > > Ah. Now there's a powerful counterargument.... well, there's a difference between engaging in one's profession (in the base of the rolling stones and robyn hitchcock is writing and recording and performing and whatnot), and selling off songs for commercials to the highest bidder. it's not like the stones need the money (the reason i can live with luna being on a calvin klein ad or throwing muses for volkswagen); and in this case it's not even like the stones are endorsing a product they truly believe in (since, after all they sold "start me up" for microsquish commercials a mere 3 and half years ago). granted it's a lesser known (and better) song this time, and the ads themselves are kinda cute. but there is a definite stench of mercenary-ism (insert the correct word here) to it, and to almost everything the stones do nowadays (save cancelling shows cuz mick is sick) which is kinda sad for what was, back before ron wood joined, one of the most important rock'n'roll bands of all time (and a pretty good one to boot). and they can't even blame michael jackson. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:53:54 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: old records OK, here's my "help" for She.Rex: >Rare Bird No idea. >Rhinocerous I had two of their albums, but can't remember anything about them. >Spooky Tooth Gary Wright before "Dream Weaver" fame, I think. >Mike Harrison & Junkyard Angel No idea. >Jeff Beck Group One of Beck's many bands after he left The Yardbirds. Helped out Donovan on a couple of songs. >Blind Faith The first super group? Clapton on guitar, Winwood on keys and vocals. >Procol Harum Did "A Whiter Shade of Pale." >Tim Buckley Jeff's dad, amazing vocalist. Killed himself, or maybe ODed. >Emerson, Lake & Palmer Keyboard based prog, minor group. >Free Did "Alright Now." >Peter Green Guitar player in one of the early, blues oriented versions of Fleetwood Mac. Got religion and left the band. >Mandrill Funk group, like War without Eric Burdon. >Clara Haskil No idea. >The Nice Keith Emerson's band before ELP. >Van Der Graaf Generator Jazzish prog band, Robert Fripp of King Crimson played lead on "Pawn Hearts." Peter Hammill has gone on to put out a zillion solo albums and is now on Fripp's DGM label. The other guys did some pretty nice instrumental albums. >Rick Wakeman Yes sideman, without merit on his own. But he was in The Strawbs before Yes, wasn't he? >Betty Wright Soul/Jazz vocalist, I think. A mixed bag of popular artists of the time. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 01:10:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: old records >>Rhinocerous >I had two of their albums, but can't remember anything about them. Actually, I believe that there were a couple of ex-Mothers of Invention in that band! Right, Mike? Roy Estrada was one, I think??? The Zappa Conceptual Continuity goes on.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:07:01 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: Words to 1974 also sprach Terrence M Marks: >>They'll never rehabilitate that mother, no way > >Sometimes sung as >"They're gonna rehabilitate that mother someday", which I think is cool >because he makes 'rehabilitate' sound like something really nasty. and very occasionally, they'll never rehabilitate that fucker, no way +w ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? > The simple facts: 11 tracks, 50:08 minutes. Rating on the Ebby scale: > 16/20. Ranked against my 1998 list, it would probably be #3, landing below > Rufus Wainwright and above Billy Bragg/Wilco. So, just below the "WHEEEEE!!!" threshhold, then, eh? ;) > (And I'm > not sure why Gnatalie hated Nonsuch so much, but she may hate this disc > even more.) I hated it because of the emphasis on cutesy-clever songwriting, liberal and uncreative dollops of Ye Olde Beatles/Beach Boys thing, and the complaint that you have, sterile and slick production, which ruins even the good songs on the album. However, I'm pretty sure I won't hate this disc more; I've heard most of the songs on it and think most of them are great. Less cutesy, less Beatles/Beach Boys, more creative musically. Still a few clunkers here and there, but mostly good. Unless the production is really awful, I think this album should be a keeper. > seduction abound, but a couple of the lines are painfully cutesy, > especially "I'd smile so much, my face would crack in two/Then you could > fix it with your kissing glue." Ugh! You and I think alike, Eb. This has long been my vote for "Worst XTC lyric ever" and could even stand proud with some of the horrible lyrics quoted earlier on the list. > 6. Greenman > OK, this is the one track which really hits me with That Old XTC Magic. This one and "River of Orchids" are my picks for the best new material. Man, I remember the impact of hearing this for the first time - gee, was that two years ago? three years ago? these demos have been circulating for ages - it was like being hit with a sledgehammer. I'm really looking forward to hearing the tarted-up studio version. Drooool.... > 7. Your Dictionary > And all that sparkling magic is instantly flushed away, as this song rears > its ugly head. A truly embarrassing song. Yeah, it's about Partridge's divorce, and it's none of my business. Blecch. I even heard this song was being mooted as a single. Double blecchh. > and generally optimistic lyric just don't match. Perhaps Partridge is > getting burdened by this new need to end every album on an elegaic down > note. XTC have always put a big emphasis on their closing numbers. Their last two have been pretty bad (esp. the unlistenable and laughable "Books are Burning"), and this one is pretty ehhh, so maybe they're losing their touch. Well, thanks for the review, Eb. I'm still keenly looking forward to hearing the album, and you've just whetted my appetite even more. I'm very curious as to what all those unpolished demos will sound like cleaned up and with a big ol' orchestra. I hope it's as good as you say. n., drooling slightly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:24:35 -0500 (EST) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: old records On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, steve wrote: > >Spooky Tooth > Gary Wright before "Dream Weaver" fame, I think. Spooky Tooth gave birth to two monsters. The other was Mick Wassisname's Foreigner. Spooky Tooth was a fair example of a band being bigger than the sum of its parts. > >Blind Faith > The first super group? Clapton on guitar, Winwood on keys and vocals. You forgot to say "sublime". > >Emerson, Lake & Palmer > Keyboard based prog, minor group. Most fegs would know them for their smash hit "Love Beach". > >Free > Did "Alright Now." Paul Rodgers, who went on to make big bucks with Bad Company. Free was so much better (or was I just so much younger). > >Peter Green > Guitar player in one of the early, blues oriented versions of Fleetwood > Mac. Got religion and left the band. and went on to find a nervous breakdown, I think. He's just decided to relearn the guitar, according to one of my guitar wanker magazines. You know, there is a common thread. A lot of these acts made some decent music and then went on to release a lot of pap. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? One additional note: Isn't the Last Balloon about anti-semiticism? The narrator invites the Jews (I did listen quite a few times to see if it wasn't really "you") to leave their material goods and their undeserving host society behind. It's really quite scary in that context. Weren't there cheery faces painted on some of those trains that took Jews to the concentration camps? OK, two notes: and Greenman seems to me to feature a nature god that is at once loveable and annoying paternal. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:07:34 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Robyn Van Zappa > From: Eb > Subject: Re: observations > > You know, there are several Zappa albums which I really love (basically, > everything early through Weasels Ripped My Flesh/Burnt Weeny, plus the > *marvelous* Grand Wazoo), but Trout Mask is probably more important to me > than any Zappa album. Copy that -- I feel that Trout Mask forced me to mature musically more than any of Zappa's albums -- it's a difficult but wonderful pill to swallow. It's rare that I don't have "Sweet Sweet Bulbs" dancing in my brain. Not that I don't like Zappa -- I only own a very few of his recordings, but I do enjoy them (I do think "We're Only In It For The Money" is one of the finest punk rock albums ever made). I respect Zappa because he always did exactly whatever the fuck he wanted to, and never backed down, and he was damned clever too. Sure, Vliet's the same, but he's a little more, ahem, neurotic. But Zappa couldn't have possibly created a gem like "I Love You, You Big Dummy" (that required a self-humor which Zappa didn't seem to possess). Anway, to tie this all in to Robyn Hitchcock, Robyn has said that he dug Beefheart more than Zappa, because he thought Zappa was trying too hard (whereas Beefheart was weird without trying, I guess) -- which I pretty much agree with, but I also think there's more of Zappa in Robyn's music than Beefheart. Sure, "Black Snake Diamond Role" has that has that "Lick My Decals Off, Baby" rhythmic feel to it, but Robyn's wordy, slightly pedantic lyrics, especially from the early Soft Boys days, are more Zappaesque (cf. Zappa's "zircon-encrusted tweezers" and Robyn's word-salads, like in "Song No. 4"). We all know how Robyn gets into these complicated, involved, wordy tropisms about insignifica, much like Zappa did. I can just as easily imagine Robyn asking "Is that a real Mexican poncho, or a Sears poncho?", ya know? Phew. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: old records On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, she.rex wrote: > Jeff Beck Group Don't know which albums you're talking here, but the first two (Beck-Ola and Truth) also feature Ron Wood (bass!) and the then-great Rod Stewart. Great late 60's heavy blooze rock. Later Beck (Jeff, that is) groups also featured some good singers (Bobby Tench) and players (Max Middleton) and got progressively more instrumental and jazz-fusion oriented. Blow By Blow and Wired are probably the two best of that (fusion) lot. Rough and Ready and the one with the orange on the cover (just titled Jeff Beck Group) were pretty good too, of the non-fusion sort. > Blind Faith More classic late 60's stuff, except more melodic than bluesy. A more riff-y Traffic album with Clapton on guitar and Ginger Baker on drums. (Rich Grech on bass, w/ Winwood on guitar and keyboards, vocals). > Procol Harum A couple people have mentioned that Gary Wright was from PH, but don't forget Robin Trower was too. > Emerson, Lake & Palmer No comment. > Free I agree with Ross on this one -- a much better version of Bad Co. Love Paul Rodger's voice. > Peter Green Founder of Fleetwood Mac, great guitarist and songwriter (Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Man of the World, etc.) He did have a nervous breakdown and has never been the same. He did make a few solo albums in the late 70's or early 80's (a pale comparison to any of his work in the early F. Mac), and has been performing again recently, to mixed-to-decent reviews. Fleetwood Mac have actually had a pretty interesting history and good track record of guitarists and interesting albums (the Buckingham-Nicks version is probably the worst of the lot, although I think L.Buckingham is an excellent guitarist and a decent songwriter). Jeremy Spencer, Danny Kirwan, and even Bob Welch (before he left the band and went pop) contributed some really good stuff, imho -- Kiln House, Then Play on,Future Games, Mystery to Me, etc. (Flame away, Mac attackers!) Eric "I'm a Mystery to Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Partridge/XTC demos Hard to believe that Eb is responsible for encouraging more tape weenieism, but it's true: can anyone hook me up with a copy of the new album Partridge/XTC demos tape? I've got a lotta Robyn to trade, as well as Richard Thompson and other stuff. Thanks -- Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:06:41 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: bmi bmi finally got their songwriter database back online. for those of you who are into such things, robyn's songwriting credits administered by bmi are listed at: woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:23:17 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? (NR) Ross Overbury: >One additional note: Isn't the Last Balloon about anti-semiticism? >The narrator invites the Jews (I did listen quite a few times to see if it >wasn't really "you") to leave their material goods and their >undeserving host society behind. It's really quite scary in that context. >Weren't there cheery faces painted on some of those trains that took Jews >to the concentration camps? Andy didn't enunciate well on the demos, it is in fact "you." It's a general exhortation for people to give up their destructive habits. >OK, two notes: and Greenman seems to me to feature a nature god that is at >once loveable and annoying paternal. There's generally nothing lovable about pagan (Pagan?) gods. Being representatives of nature, they are there to be *served*. Someone will have to ask Andy why the title ended up as Greenman, rather than The Green Man. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:16:11 -0500 From: "Caroline Smith" Subject: RE: observations > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of S Dwarf > well, there's a difference between engaging in one's profession (in > the base of the rolling stones and robyn hitchcock is writing and > recording and performing and whatnot), and selling off songs for > commercials to the highest bidder. Regardless of where the music comes from, these commercials are going to be made. Isn't it nice when they use the most appropriate, coolest song they can find? that's my take on it... Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: old records (fwd) Sorry if this turns out to be a duplicate message -- I sent it to the list earlier but still haven't seen it. E - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr To: spleens a go-go Subject: Re: old records On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, she.rex wrote: > Jeff Beck Group Don't know which albums you're talking here, but the first two (Beck-Ola and Truth) also feature Ron Wood (bass!) and the then-great Rod Stewart. Great late 60's heavy blooze rock. Later Beck (Jeff, that is) groups also featured some good singers (Bobby Tench) and players (Max Middleton) and got progressively more instrumental and jazz-fusion oriented. Blow By Blow and Wired are probably the two best of that (fusion) lot. Rough and Ready and the one with the orange on the cover (just titled Jeff Beck Group) were pretty good too, of the non-fusion sort. > Blind Faith More classic late 60's stuff, except more melodic than bluesy. A more riff-y Traffic album with Clapton on guitar and Ginger Baker on drums. (Rich Grech on bass, w/ Winwood on guitar and keyboards, vocals). > Procol Harum A couple people have mentioned that Gary Wright was from PH, but don't forget Robin Trower was too. > Emerson, Lake & Palmer No comment. > Free I agree with Ross on this one -- a much better version of Bad Co. Love Paul Rodger's voice. > Peter Green Founder of Fleetwood Mac, great guitarist and songwriter (Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Man of the World, etc.) He did have a nervous breakdown and has never been the same. He did make a few solo albums in the late 70's or early 80's (a pale comparison to any of his work in the early F. Mac), and has been performing again recently, to mixed-to-decent reviews. Fleetwood Mac have actually had a pretty interesting history and good track record of guitarists and interesting albums (the Buckingham-Nicks version is probably the worst of the lot, although I think L.Buckingham is an excellent guitarist and a decent songwriter). Jeremy Spencer, Danny Kirwan, and even Bob Welch (before he left the band and went pop) contributed some really good stuff, imho -- Kiln House, Then Play on,Future Games, Mystery to Me, etc. (Flame away, Mac attackers!) Eric "I'm a Mystery to Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:30:34 -0500 From: "Caroline Smith" Subject: And another thing! (nonRH) Speaking of Apple commercials, if you haven't yet seen the new Hal commercial on the apple website, it will be airing during the Superbowl today. It's rather awesome. go team. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:03:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Why is it "Greenman" and not "Green Man"? Gnat: >I hated [Nonsuch] because of the emphasis on cutesy-clever songwriting, >liberal >and uncreative dollops of Ye Olde Beatles/Beach Boys thing, and the >complaint that you have, sterile and slick production, which ruins even >the good songs on the album. OK. Well, the new album's production can be somewhat "polite" as well, but the difference between this and Nonsuch is that the restrained tempos and string-soaked instrumentation FIT this sort of production. I only recall one moment on the whole disc where electric guitar really jumped out and thwacked me (a somewhat incongruous solo on the third or fourth track). Now, HOPEFULLY, the more rocking Volume Two won't fall prey to the Nonsuch syndrome to a greater degree. >> seduction abound, but a couple of the lines are painfully cutesy, >> especially "I'd smile so much, my face would crack in two/Then you could >> fix it with your kissing glue." Ugh! > >You and I think alike, Eb. This has long been my vote for "Worst XTC >lyric ever" and could even stand proud with some of the horrible lyrics >quoted earlier on the list. Ha! >This one and "River of Orchids" are my picks for the best new material. What do you like so much about "River of Orchids"? >I'm really looking >forward to hearing the tarted-up studio version. Drooool.... Well, "Greenman" is over six minutes long, so grab a wad of Kleenex. >> 7. Your Dictionary >> And all that sparkling magic is instantly flushed away, as this song rears >> its ugly head. > >A truly embarrassing song. Yeah, it's about Partridge's divorce, and it's >none of my business. Blecch. I even heard this song was being mooted as >a single. Double blecchh. Ah, so he did get divorced. OK. (Yikes, must've been a lulu of a split.) >> Perhaps Partridge is >> getting burdened by this new need to end every album on an elegaic down >> note. > >XTC have always put a big emphasis on their closing numbers. Their last >two have been pretty bad (esp. the unlistenable and laughable "Books are >Burning"), and this one is pretty ehhh, so maybe they're losing their >touch. Well, gee, you're agreeing with me too much. No fair. ;) (And yes, the CD definitely says "Greenman," and not "Green Man" or "THE Green Man.") >n., drooling slightly Over me, or XTC? Eb, shuddering, imagining the euphoric blathering on the Chalkhills list which must be going on at this very moment... PS I also received the new *Sebadoh* disc yesterday, which I'm *almost* as excited about...however, I haven't played it yet, and when I do, I'm not going to post another Uberreview (Eberreview?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:00:56 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: damn straight! what the fuck, you fucking heretic? you can't call the senate chaplain an "ass"! anyway, the context, if anyone cares, is that some local talk-show host put together a parody of the chaplain's daily invocation which begins each day of the senate trial, with lines like, "dear lord, please help us to remove this scumbag from office," etc. and, a bunch of people thought it was real, and called the station in droves to complain. and called washington state's two senators in droves to complain. raised a pretty big stink, apparently. so then the chaplain actually called the show the next day, and demanded a retraction and on-air apology from the host, neither of which have been forthcoming. i guess seattleites are just gullible. many years ago, a local sketch-comedy show, on april 1st, and issuing disclaimers both before and after the piece that it was a joke; did a "story" about how the space needle had toppled, and showed some obviously fake photos. caused a big panic. Subject: Re: damn straight! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:34:24 -0600 From: steve To: "Fegmaniax" Reply-To: steve Capitalism Blows: >"I never mind good kidding or creative criticism. But I do object to >the trivializing of the role of prayer for the Senate and for the nation >for the urgent need of God's help in this cricial time of our history." > --Lloyd Oglivie, Senate Chaplain This guy is an ass. - - Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:14:37 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Words to 1974 this is great! no sooner do i wish for a revival of the lyrics committee, and... <...feel free to point where i'm an idiot> as they say, quality is job one. i prefer to see this usage spelled <'til>, though your spelling is technically admissable. *Denim* *You've* going by memory, but i don't recall the . is this the STOREFRONT version, by the way? thought it was . either way, i assume it's another one of those mysterious british place names. thought it was <*That* you thought you could> as woj mentioned, it was *fucker* once. (and only once, to my knowledge: 12/13/96, in dc itself.) pretty sure i've heard *dump* *said*, i think. incidentally, an interviewer once asked robyn if the guardian had actually said that, and robyn replied in the affirmative. <*inhale* *too* hard>, or sometimes, <*inhale* *too* hard, +bill+> a reference to clinton's lone doobie experience. probably *say* rather than . if not, then the rest of the line should be in quotes, i guess. isn't it *Grimsby*? thanks dwarfy! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:41:43 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "rug pee-ers did not do this." < I own the Clique's 7" of "Superman," which I found for $4 a few years after REM's version arrived. The flip side is called "Sugar on Sunday," which is fairly illustrative of the sound.> i just had a thought, eb. you're always talking about your "database." don't know if you mean that literally. but if so, i think you should put it online. i quite agree with you generally, susie. but i think in penman's case, for robyn to hold him in such enmity, there must've been something more there than just some poor reviews. unusual cruelty, or some such like. and, i *do* think it's cool that robyn has the flipside: he's so appreciative of those critics and dj's that helped him out earlier in his career. i'll never forget sitting there watching the soundcheck in '97 in mill valley. robyn comes off to let tim soundcheck, spies dan poppe in the audience, and his face just totally lights up as if dan is a close relative he hasn't seen in years and years. it was great. well, the thing that kind of pisses me off is when they're obviously uninformed. ok, maybe that doesn't affect their opinion of the work in question, but it *does* affect the review, and i think it's irresponsible. or, of course, when the review makes it sound as if they didn't even listen to the record (or watch the movie) all the way through. i was not aware of that! what is the one revelation, then? that jesus is coming back to judge me? didn't actually *say* that it's my fave traffic album (although it is.) woj, you are beautiful. <(And I'm not sure why Gnatalie hated Nonsuch so much, but she may hate this disc even more.)> at one robyn show --i think it was '93-- they played it in its entirety after the opening act. then robyn came out and said, "that was xtc's brilliant album, NONSUCH," and everyone clapped politely (if you'd like to visualise it, think of that Simpsons where mr. burns had thrown the company picnic at his pad, and announcing that the picnic was over, said, "now please get off my property. we will release the hounds in five minutes." at which the audience engaged in a hearty round of applause.) my rule of thumb has always been that the *second* song on side two is the best song of the album. do many others still think of cd's as having sidebreaks, even though they don't literally, and try to speculate as to exactly which song would be the last song of side one? i dunno. an album is *supposed* to have two sides. i really think tom petty was dead on it with the little intermission in FULL MOON FEVER. <> >who put the "[sic]" in there, and why? i did because they neglected the single quotes in the title.> ah. wonderful! but watch out you get weeniebranded. http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #32 ******************************