From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #26 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 08 : Number 026 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feg-dream #1674, long, boring crap about sharkboy, delete before reading [Mark_Gloster@3co] Re: My work has been called extremely vaginal. [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Painful lyrics [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Painful lyrics ["manitas de platano" ] Re: Painful lyrics ["manitas de platano" ] did somebody say "dust-up"? ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: another poll [Eb ] Under the Marcy [LORDK@library.phila.gov] Re: "no, i *do* mind. the dude minds." [Michael Wolfe ] "uli kunkel? her co-star in the beaver picture?" ["Capitalism Blows" I dreamed that I had paid for Mark Gloster's records but hadn't received it >yet, so we met up in a parking lot so he could give me a copy. Mark was >chubby and sloppy-looking and had curly "hockey hair" (short in the front, >long in the back) and drove a grubby white van. He gave me the CD (which >looked oddly like Ani DiFranco's "Little Plastic Castles" or whatever it's >called) and I made a joke about how he should put out a big double-CD >concept album. He looked very concerned and told me not to tell anyone my >joke. I guess he thought someone might think it was actually for real. This is cool. I kinda like being in people's dreams. I try to do this whenever I can. Somebody once reviewed _Monday's Lunch_ as a "quasi- concept" album, as he found that it musically and/or artistically was one thing. I'm often joking about how my next album is going to be a serious progressive concept album about the life and death of James Fenimore Cooper, combining the best of Styx and ELP with an irrepressable salsa beat that comes from my Antedeluvian/Irish genes. Actually, the "quasi-concept" was a surprise to me, but he explained it pretty well and I understand how he reached that opinion. I should find it quite a compliment that someone could think that in an hour of Markmuzik that there could be any congruence of thought. Rightly, my emails are never accused of this. The chubby thing is a recent development. I weighed nine pounds until I hit 30. It's been touch and go ever since. Hockey hair isn't too far off. I have this Frankenstein forehead that is like a billboard. I should be selling advertisements on it. I am between hairstyles right now, so I look a bit more like a muppet. A frankenstein muppet. A frankenstein muppet with glasses who gets dressed in the dark, or is red/green colorblind and unable to realize that red and grey stripes and aqua gecko hawaii baggies is tantamount to ocular violence. The frightening thing is that I have good vision with my glasses, can tell the difference between colors, yet like wearing clothes that are projectile vomit inducing to others. >I'm sorry, Mark. I realize now that concept albums are not a laughing matter. No need to apologize. The scary thing is how close you were. I know it's no _Love Beach_, but you sure you still want it? BTW, some concept albums are a laughing matter. Happies, - -Markg To hear a couple of the ditties in aiff format, point yer bowsers or your browsers to: http://www.tigermonkey.com/audio.htm I haven't linked up the page to my ancient site, so you have to go there direct. There are pictures of me elsewhere, but you can see my mug in other places on the tigermonkey site. The fuzzy grey one on the main page with the big mouth is Dusty, my daughter, who is in love with Bayard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:38:58 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: My work has been called extremely vaginal. In a message dated 99-01-27 12:29:45 EST, you write: << The Postman was on HBO last night. If I recall, this film opened the same day as Titanic (Christmas Day 1997) and left theaters somewhere between the goose and pie that evening. Yet Titanic went on to play forEVER, make about a billion dollars worldwide and sell more videos than there are VCRs in this country. This, to me, makes no sense. I watched The Postman. Sure it had some sappy shit. Sure it had a kind of simplistic and predictable plot. But why the hell did it just disappear? I mean, it was pretty good. It was kind of smart and interesting. It has an IMPORTANT THEME (that communication is what holds society together... that free and expansive communication networks end tyrrany and promote peace) that is relevant to our time. So why did this fail and shitty stupid sappy predictable boring old Titanic live forever and The Postman die? I think I have two answers: The Future and Kevin Costner. >> Well, I think you're right about the Kevin Costner part. I'm not so sure about The Future, though. Nostalgia will probably give a movie an edge over another one that deals with a post-apocalyptic theme (could we shorten this to po-apo, maybe?), but I don't think that it marks the difference between a one week run and pop culture immortality. One difference could be the fact that the titanic previews made the movie look really cool and that everyone talked about how cool the ship looked when it sank. On the other hand, I laughed out loud when I saw the preview for "Postman." It looked like a made for WB movie of the week piece of crap -- I could tell exactly what was going to happen just from watching the preview, and it didn't look interesting. Maybe it turned out to be an okay movie, as Jeme says. But there's no way in hell I'm ever going to find out. If you want to see a good Kevin Costner movie, see "A Perfect World." It's not fantastic, but it's quite good, and Costner is interestingly dark. And Eastwood's direction is quite good. Anyway, my two cents. - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:55:48 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Painful lyrics In a message dated 99-01-27 09:21:10 EST, you write: << Yeah, I'm a little slow. This hit me on the way to work, and it's the only example that isn't from rawk (IIRC): "From the roaring traffic's boom/to the silence of my lonely room" Jeez! So what's wrong with "vroom"? >> You realize this is Cole Porter we're talking about here, right? I mean, some things just shouldn't be questioned, and Cole Porter's "Night and Day" is one of 'em (U2 stole this song from Frank Sinatra; now I'm stealin' it back). For cyin' out loud. What's wrong with "boom"?! I think that line pretty well describes the type of urban cacophony that drives one to distraction. You've got to keep in mind that this was written around 60 years ago, too. I don't think they had words like "vroom" back then. - -------Michael K., defending the classics ps - I won't yell at you, Ross, when you call to order "SH" :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:42:08 +0000 From: "manitas de platano" Subject: Re: Painful lyrics > "From the roaring traffic's boom/to the silence of my lonely room" > > Jeez! So what's wrong with "vroom"? >> Um, that was a joke. I think vroom would change it from awful to hilarious. As a matter of fact I was chuckling to myself when I thought of this while walking to work (in the non-booming traffic) this morning. Traffic never booms, unless it's supersonic, and they didn't have that 60 years ago. A boom is a singular event, while the noise traffic makes is continuous. Traffic grinds, squeals, hisses, rumbles, honks, roars -- where's that thesaurus -- but it just doesn't boom. No particular knock on Porter intended. "People disagreeing everywhere you look Makes you want to stop and read a book" - - some guy who's as bad as Porter > > You realize this is Cole Porter we're talking about here, right? I mean, > some things just shouldn't be questioned, and Cole Porter's "Night and Day" is > one of 'em (U2 stole this song from Frank Sinatra; now I'm stealin' it back). > For cyin' out loud. What's wrong with "boom"?! I think that line pretty well > describes the type of urban cacophony that drives one to distraction. You've > got to keep in mind that this was written around 60 years ago, too. I don't > think they had words like "vroom" back then. > > -------Michael K., defending the classics > ps - I won't yell at you, Ross, when you call to order "SH" :-) Tonight, Michael! I had company drop in last night. - -- La mort avant la figure ascii souriante!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:22:15 +0000 From: "manitas de platano" Subject: Re: Painful lyrics I said: > Traffic never booms, unless it's supersonic, and they didn't have that 60 years > ago. A boom is a singular event, while the noise traffic makes is continuous. > Traffic grinds, squeals, hisses, rumbles, honks, roars -- where's that > thesaurus -- but it just doesn't boom. Oh yeah? Since the advent of drums'n'bass and overpowered car stereos it does boom sometimes! How about that, Mr. Smarty-Pants? - - fickle guy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:35:45 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: did somebody say "dust-up"? as you're no doubt aware, seattle has just been chosen to host the next wto shindig. fucking apec just wasn't enough for us, i guess. anyways, here's what happend at last year's confo., in geneva: "...Four four days the small city of Geneva was in a state of seige, as the meeting of the 133-nation World Trade Organization (WTO) met for their 50th anniversary at the United Nations building and the rest of the city erupted into the worst rioting since 1932. The opposition was led by the 'People's Global Action' rejecting the whole process of globalization and corporate power that is the new world government." (Saturday evening) "...demonstrators smashed hundreds of windows, mainly banks and corporate offices, until 5am, causing over a million dollars worth of damage." "...From the moment the world leaders sat down on Monday morning to the conclusion on Wednesday evening, the streets were filled with riot police and demonstrators, with the constant noise of sirens and low flying helicopters." (Monday) "... The offices of Lockheed, multi-national arms dealers, were occupied by one group, while another spontaneous street demo stopped traffic and set off smoke bombs. By lunchtime the United Bank of Switzerland was forced to close and police were kept back whle road after road was blockaded." (Tuesday) "...At the Rosseau statue, they [activists] enacted a burial of his "social contract" between people and rulers. Meanwhile the director of the WTO, Renato Ruggiero, told the conference that everyone must pedal faster towards globalization, or face the danger of falling off. (His Mercedes was later overturned!)" "...as darkness descended, so did the people. Police fired CS gas to disperse the angry mass, who began to smash more shops, overturn cars and run through the city in small groups causing chaos." (Wednesday) "...Hundreds assembled outside the UN for a final push -- an attempt to enter the building and use non-violent tactics to stop the General Assembly. As they walked headlong into the line of riot police, there was a blur of truncheons. According to the staff at the hospital, over 60 people a day had been treated." here's hoping we can achieve similar results. suffice it to say, my friends, the feg banner will be flying high! yes indeed, you've got a friend in jesus, AND you've got a representative in seattle to take the piss out of the wto. back to you, cokie. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:42:44 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: another poll Michael R Godwin: >> Five from my own top 15, not including the live Dylan album, which would be >> #1 on my list except that I think it's ineligible. > >On what grounds? It's a brand new release - I called in at the shops four >times before it was released to try and get a copy (something I haven't >done since the second Traffic LP). I don't see why this anecdote is relevant to the issue at hand. >No record is released the moment it's >finished - there was just a bit more shilly-shallying than usual before it >came out (waiting for the end of the Vietnam war, waiting for CDs to be >invented and suchlike). (: Aww, come on, Mike. I think a "Best of 1998" list should rank the best music recorded in 1998. Or perhaps 1996 or 1997, in certain instances. But not 1966! ;) It's just not fair to rank career-overview box sets and the like against strict "new releases." I mean, if I allowed myself to rank Dylan at #1, then I'd have to rank compilations of Hendrix, Genesis, Pixies, Throwing Muses, John Lennon and "Nuggets" among the leaders too. Ugh. I'd look like some gray-haired Goldmine fart. ;) And was "shilly-shallying" on anyone's word list? Eb, voting thumbs way down on Kevin Costner, even though he went to Cal State Fullerton, and wishing film fans of the predictable Dark Hipster Irony orientation would stop blathering about the Coens PS Juno nominations were just announced...Celine Dion and Barenaked Ladies are the frontrunners, horrifyingly enough, but Rufus Wainwright is nominated for "Best Alternative Album" (hmm, what's alternative about that album, anyway?) along with Hayden, Esthero, BTK and Bodega. Sheesh, I don't even know those acts, except for Hayden (yawn). Rufus better win. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:49:00 -0500 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Under the Marcy Under the Mercy--which is a darn poetic phrase -comes from the writer Charles Williams who wrote trippy, stilted, surreal, old-fashioned, kalidescopic,turgid, and basically undescribable "occult thrillers" before and during WWII. A definite cult figure--he possesed an intelligence so induvidual and idiosyncratic no one has been yet able to cubyhole(rhymes with cornhole) him as a "whimsical eccentric Englishman" thou if People Magazine were ever to acknowledge his existance, that might be the phrase they'd use. He , along with Arthur Machen and algernon Blackwood(both highly recommended) belonged to an offshoot of an offshoot of the Golden Dawn, a fraternity that also hosted Yeats and Crowley. At the core of the GDs filing system of consiousness is Kaballa(not, I repeat, not , to be confused with any simplistic movement Madonna or other equally sincere and intellectual celebs is involved with) wwhich is a Jewish mystical system which was christianizede during the Rennaissance, and then neopaganized by the GD. Think of existance as an urban train system, with different routes to take you different places(then slide that idea into 4 different , mirroring levels, and your just beginning to get a clue)-anyway, Mercy is a station, like, oh Reading or Basingstole or... Anyway--I use it as a sign off because I tend to veer towards tha station Severity(notice crack bout Madonna). By reminding myself to head towards Mercy, I hope to staighten out and take the middle route of Harmony. Anyway, there are all sort of GD refernces in Charles Williams works, and Under the Mercy shows up in both his poetry and novels. If anyone is foolish enough to take this as a suggestion to read him(which, of course it is--I love the guy)be warned--he is as likely to offend orthadox Christians (which he considered himself to be) as Neopagans, and Thelemites(which he wasnt), but be a joy to Hermeticists(Hail Thoth) , Rosicrucians and (some) orthadox Christians. Discordians, as usual, can go either way(Hail Quail-Eris) Sorry Eddie, I do run on. And you thought that traffic light took too a long time UTM K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:10:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: "no, i *do* mind. the dude minds." Okay, I'm gonna weigh in with my 32 bits on this, the great movie endings thread. >funny you should say this, because i've been trying to think of movies >that have a perfect final shot. > >Miller's Crossing, eddie... Miller's Crossing! You know, this one just lept to my mind when I first started reading this thread. Good catch. I went over the list of films I've seen in the last year, and here are the films that I saw with extraordinary and note-perfect endings (in no particular order): Exotica, Atom Egoyan - A puzzle-box of a movie. Takes 2 or 3 viewings to solve, but boy, that last scene ties everything together amazingly when you finally realize what it's saying. When your whole film actually IS the process of unfolding, your finale better be extraordinary, and this one fits the bill, but not in the way you might expect. Irma Vep, Olivier Assayas - When the whole film manages to convey the sense of being at a really great party, including the viewer (as opposed to simply portraying a great party), a final sequence this artistic and inventive sure does come as a surprise. Elevates the film to a higher plane, as everyone involved realizes the larger implications of a process that can blind one with minutiae. Red, Krzysztof Kieslowski (I hope I spelled that right, I always forget a "z" in his name) - Jean-Louis Trintignant's expression, of mixed sorrow and relief, followed by an incredible visual serendipity combine to flawlessly conclude the three colors. Perfect. Manhattan, Woody Allen - A classic. In The Company Of Men, Neil Labute - My favorite film of 1997, ends on a an appropriately harrowing note. In case you hadn't been paying attention to the first hundred minutes. Network, Sidney Lumet - "Howard Beales became the first known case of a man killed because of lousy ratings." Heh. Five Easy Pieces, Bob Rafelson - Jack Nicholson, playing a man caught between worlds, rides off in a passing semi. Nothing is resolved, but this is exactly the point. Nights of Cabiria, Federico Fellini - Giulietta Masina's Cabiria has a look that's crushing and hopeful all at once, evoking Chaplin's little tramp. Yet as Jonathon Rosenbaum writes, there is something truly liberating about the way her gaze tracks across the camera. The Celebration, Thomas Vinterberg - Not so much the last scene as the background for the closing credits, Vinterberg employs the Dogma '95 "restrictions" to create a sequence of incredible, simple beauty. Not coincidentally, I gave each of these films a B+ or better, and most of them got A's of some flavor. One would do well to watch any of them all the way through; it's not just the last scene or shot that's good. >I watched The Postman...I mean, it was pretty good. It was kind of >smart and interesting. I haven't seen the Postman, but I've had issues with Costner's previous efforts being a combination of didactic, hackneyed, facile, treacley, and utterly devoid of invention, plotwise. And that's without even consulting a thesaurus. Or mentioning Costner's hey-look-ma,-I'm-a-fence-post acting style. Again, granted, I haven't seen the Postman, so I honestly don't know, it could be a masterpiece. I saw nothing to indicate otherwise in the add campaign or in anything that I've read, though. There are some cliffs that I don't need to jump off of to know that doing so would be a bad idea. I loved Shakespeare in Love, personally. But I saw it with a young woman whom I am crazy about, so my critical faculties with regards to that film are somewhat dulled. >Oh yeah, Nathan says I should read the novel... he says it's really good. >I just might do that. The novel's okay. It certainly goes down easily enough, and as you went to school in Ashland, you'll definitely get a kick out of its setting. But I think Brin's written better. >Words to your mother. >President Richard Starkey. Dude, can you like, sing "Octopus's Garden"? That's totally my favorite song. - -Michael Wolfe np: Tim Booth and the Bad Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:28:51 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: "no, i *do* mind. the dude minds." >Five Easy Pieces, Bob Rafelson - Jack Nicholson, playing a man caught between >worlds, rides off in a passing semi. Nothing is resolved, but this is >exactly >the point. Oh yes...that's absolutely DEVASTATING. Easy Rider has a pretty powerful closing shot too, for that matter. The best final shot I've seen lately was in "Big Night" -- four or five minutes of utter SILENCE while the brothers fix breakfast, and yet their resilience and enduring love for one another is fully resolved and communicated. Amazingly powerful. Left me holding my breath in rapture. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:40:33 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "uli kunkel? her co-star in the beaver picture?" shan't, as i sent a picture to him yesterday. oh, last night i had dreamt that glen posted, and (remember, i *am* psychic) i was so excited to get to the library today and read the uberpost. alas. my dreams have steered me wrong. i posted a whole big long (though surely quite incomplete) list of them some time ago. again, archives no searchable, so i couldn't point you to them. anyhow, sounds like ghost, surfer and partridge, john ought to be on the lyrics committee. there's still lots of fun stuff to be hashed out. uh, right, capuch'n? we still have to finish MOONLIGHT. and now we've got STOREFONT to play with, and soon, JEWELS FOR SOPHIA. three cheers for more songs with lyrics! oh by the way, let me take this time to point out that, while the lyrics committee was(/is?) frightfully comradely, and monumentally a lot of fucking fun, it wasn't, strictly speaking, a consensus aexercise. that is to say, final arbite rested with capuch'n, and capuch'n only. NOT NOT NOT saying he was a bully about it, or that he didn't give our input a LOT of thought and probably much more response than it deserved (especially mine.) not saying that at all. but i *am* saying that jeme's all mixed up on the lyrics to Vyrna Knowl, which fact you wouldn't learn from simply accessing the lyrics engine. indeed, you might come away with the opposite impression. <(something I haven't done since the second Traffic LP).> traffic doesn't get discussed much on this list, does it? i remember thinking the cover to JOHN BARLEYCORN was about the coolest fucking thing i'd *ever* seen. this may sound snide, but believe you me, i ask it in all curious sincerity: mr. godwin, do you have a list of the albums for which you made *three* calls? um, is this something different from the LIVE AT THE CAMBRIDGE FOLK FESTIVAL rekkid? cambridge and bath are two separate entities, are they not? what was wrong with the oldstand, you fucking hippie? for god's sake, what was wrong with the oldstand?? my dad got one for Xianmas, so i took the laserdisc player (jeme insert joke about how far behind-the-times i am here) over, and we watched The Big Lebowski and Lawrence O' Arabia. pretty nifty. for those of you VERY new to this world) has absolutely no quotes from The Big Lebowski. Perhaps you should fix this.> nothin'? nothin' at all? remember we had that thread about the most quotable movies of all times? i think it was determined that Repo Man and Raising Arizona were probably the top two, probably not in that order. well, i'm slowly coming to the realization that The Big Lebowski perhaps trumps them all. however, i remember once i wanted to write a review of something or other for the imdb, and you have to be an official member. it's free to sign up and all, but i was to lazy to take the time to do so. in fact, i was quoting the Lord. by the way, today i saw a guy holding a sign that said: "get Hot, get Cold, or get Spewed," and it was purportedly from Revelations, 3:16. can this be true? i mean, i am in a library and all, so i could, conceivably, look it up myself. but i'm not sure i want to be seen with a bible in my hands just today. but if it *is* true, then that's hot-damnably outrageous! not as wonderful as that quote tracy used to have in her signature, about how moses used to go around asking everyone how it was that they "failed to perceive the importance of toast?" but still. i was restricting myself strictly to last shots, not final scenes or sequences. but after having given it some thought...yes, the final shot of Miller's Crossing is perfect as well. Titanic opened the *friday before* christmas, you fucking hippie! the fucking *FRIDAY BEFORE*! shortly after The Postman had been released, i posted asking if anyone had seen it, because i wanted to know how tom petty was in it. no one responded, possibly because no one had seen it. now that we know you have seen it, cher hippie, how was tom petty in it? i was about the time of Bull Durham and Field Of Dreams. i remember liking Dances With Wolves quite a bit when it came out, but on a hunch, i'd probably not like it too much if i were to watch it today. at least he takes risks. you can give him that much. are you sure that it did? i thought i saw it on some list of the year's biggest bombs? i've softened my stance on The Phantom Menace some, for what it's worth, after reading a few lucas interviews. i still *suspect* that it's going to suck. but i'm not as sure of it as i had been. reminds me of APOLLO 18. they've got that suite of 666 songs that are, like, two seconds each. and you're supposed to put your cd player on jumble-play method, and it reveals something new and wonderful each time. i've never done that, lazy son of bitch that i am. <"OK... grep for jaykeen in etsee password... right... that's all good... now vee eye pee double you... ok... shit... colon cue... en ess lookup... server en ess one dot eli dot net... ok... ell ess dash dee verbose dot org... ha!"> oh man, i'd give just about anything for you to fill up a tape or three of him doing that! surreptitiously, of course. i mean, i dig the *concept* of cinema verite and all. but somehow i'm skeptical. so, best if he didn't know you were taping, i think. you could borrow jonesie's d6. (i'm so awfully good at loaning out others' equipment. guess that's the fascist in me. no, wait, that's the communard in me. whatever. just borrow lobstie's d6 and go do this thing for me, won't you?) i was going to post this even *before* eb's latest slander upon coens almighty. honest, i was. it's the small characters. it's mink. it's knox harrington, the video artist. it's nathan arizona. it's pete the elevator operator ("read the bible, pete?" "*holy* bible?" "yeah." "yeah, i think so. ... anyway i've heard about it.") it's mike yanagita. it's aloysius. to name just a very few. i think that's what elevates the coens do deity status. well, let's put it differently. that's *one* of the elements that elevates them, and i mention it here because i think it's a frequently overlooked element. so it does. and for that, it gets a golden star. as do you, Lord, for bringing it up. (speaking of capes. i always pictured LORDK in a cape, until i was looking through some archives recently, and noticed that your name really *is* Kay Lord. i'd thought K was your last initial, and Lord was your title. or at least your "internet title." funny thing, this internet.) yes, but which GD, for chrissakes? DECAY, DECOY, or DECO??? http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: did somebody say "dust-up"? On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > "... The offices of Lockheed, multi-national arms dealers, were > occupied by one group, while another spontaneous street demo stopped > traffic and set off smoke bombs. This intrigues me. A spontaneous demo[nstration] set off smoke bombs? This would imply that the demonstrators carry smoke bombs around with them on a regular basis. Now I gave up carrying smoke bombs years ago because you *inevitably* get chemical leaks sooner or later, staining your clothes and maybe giving you a painful skin rash. Have the Swiss found a way around this? Have they built a better smoke bomb? Those clever, inscrutable little people! Where can I get some Swiss smoke bombs? - --Chris np: Bill Hicks, Rant in E Minor ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #26 ******************************