From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #15 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, January 16 1999 Volume 08 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- european tour (100% RH) [cinders blue ] Yuck [Natalie Jacobs ] untunedsmith [LORDK@library.phila.gov] Club Med Music--and the Lodge of the rawk godettes [LORDK@library.phila.g] Midnight/Fish Albums [Michael Wolfe ] Re: european tour (100% RH) ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: european tour (100% RH) ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Midnight/Fish Albums [Eb ] Re: Midnight/Fish Albums ["Khoi Huynh" ] Re: Midnight/Fish Albums [Eb ] Just a collection of words. No, I'm serious. Some RH content, a lot of total bullshit [VIV LYON ] a parting stupid lyric shot... [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James ] Mark Gloster in rare Bay Area performance [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] European tour [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Meat Puppets Question [S Dwarf ] Becaue Viv wants mail.... [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Meat Puppets Question [West ] "suck a camel's ass." -- wesley willis ["Capitalism Blows" Subject: european tour (100% RH) from : ROBYN HITCHCOCK TOUR DATES SPAIN Jan 14: Vittoria Jan 19: Cadiz Jan 20: Madrid Jan 21: Slamanca Jan 23: La Rioja, Pradejon SWEDEN Jan 31: Nefertiti's, Gotenborg (Jan 30: "Storefront Hitchcock" screens at the Gotenborg Film Festival) ITALY Feb 7: Jasay Nightlife, Napoli Feb 9: Big Mama, Roma Feb 10: Estragon, Bologna Feb 11: Zoobar, Torino Feb 12: Boahouse, Genova Feb 13: Bloom, Mezzago (Milano) Feb 14: Slego, Rimini i also received a note from pierpaolo rizzo saying that his band, lo-fi sucks!, will be opening in genova. more info about them at . woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:39:24 -0500 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Yuck The monkey sayeth, >That tender/blender rhyme is just atrocious, not to mention the sixth >grade mopey poet imagery. "Beautiful oblivion," there's another howler. Thank you for correcting my transcription of the lyrics; I got them wrong because I always leap for the "off" switch every time that song comes on the radio. I admire your intestinal fortitude in being able to copy them all out. >>Scott Weiland >>(with brand new mohawk), *snort* At the risk of sounding cliched - Scott, your fifteen minutes were up a long time ago. Go away. >Y'know, GE Smith is much worse to look at than he is to >listen to. His unconditional love for everything he plays >gets onto his face and it makes me quite ill. I've always thought of him as "The Smuggest Man Alive" (tm). n., hating her job really, really intensely It's delicious and nutritious: http://www.wcbn.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 9:29:36 -0500 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: untunedsmith I saw Smith with Bawb. It was a great concert--meaning--I didnt notice anything but Bawbs evedent pleasure. He can be a grinch, but sometimes live, its just real clear that hes a musician before being a rawk goddette( there are no rawk gods...so just think of the dif tween a kitchen and a kitchinette.) If being with Smith helped him enjoy his own music more, then Smith has at least one reaon for living. It shouldnt be too hard to do( she seems a sunny sort) , but lets hope he brings out the same response in Deni. UTM K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 9:58:55 -0500 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Club Med Music--and the Lodge of the rawk godettes Cant help tryin to pull teeth on the spirituality bit(I guess since its hard for me to think of anyone into Hitchcock who dosnt have the capacity for that sort of unfoldment), so , Im going to throw 2 questions out to the enfanged multitude-- 1-Do any of you do meditative practices? If so, do you use music to deepen this altered state, and if so--what? 2-Ive recently finished Michael Greer's book on lodges, which gives info on basic lodge structure, whether that lodge be fraternal-such as the Masons, or magical--such as the various Golden Dawns, OTO, Inner Light etc.(SOL too, I think, thou Greer didnt mention it) I dont know if any of you are familliar with these organizations, but they are built on a symbolic structure by which one accesses certain energies leading to ....well, depends on what you want them to lead to... its usually describes as The Conversation(company) With Ones Gaurdian Angel, discovering Ones True Will, experiencing Ones Kether, Higher Self, etc. Anyway, now that the gobbly gook is over--here's the fun stuff(well, fun to me) if someone were to organize a lodge around the symbology of rock gawdettes-- what would that lodge be like? What myths would it use? What sort of initiatian cermony would there be? what grades(as in levels of achievement) and what would be the aim of the whole thing? Now, I know a few of you bit privetly bit on my Crowley comment--so how about some (perhaps discordian) whimsey in a public forum... UTM K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:10:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Midnight/Fish Albums I upgraded my collection of Robyn's cd's to the Rhino versions, and I'm just not enough of a completist to hang onto the old ones when there is exactly zero difference in the tracks, and when all of the old versions are on the Rhino's (of course, I have to hold onto a copy of BSDR because of the alternate version of The Man Who Invented Himself.) I'll buy the same album twice in different formats when there's demos or different tracks, no sweat. But this much redundancy is just too dang redundant, redundancy-wise. So, I'm getting rid of my midnight/glass fish versions, and I thought I'd give you guys first crack at them. I could sell 'em at the cd store and maybe get three bucks each for them, but I'd rather trade them for recordings of live shows. So if anyone's interested, I have the following albums for trade, all on cd: Black Snake Diamond Role (I had two copies of the old version (long story)) Groovy Decoy I Often Dream of Trains fegmania! Invisible Hitchcock Eye (TwinTone) I'm not sayin' this is the bees knees; I realize that you all probably have all the bonus tracks and stuff too. I just figure I'll put this out there for the benefit of the uber-completists or folks who somehow managed to not fill in a gap in their collection somewhere. I would like to get two tapes of live shows for each, if possible (which I would hope that no one would find unreasonable.) I don't want to start a bidding war, it'll be first come first served, more or less (I'll feel free to accept the offer that is the best combination of cool show/recording quality.) I don't have many live shows at this point, so I doubt you'll offer me something that I've already got. In particular though, I'm looking for these shows (I was in attendance): Roseland Theater, February 1992 First Ave, May 1993 (don't even know if a tape of this exists) Cedar Cultural Center, 1995 Barrymore, Halloween 1996 Alladin Theater 1997 Alladin Theater 1998 Thanks! I won't be checking my email all weekend, so you can expect a reply on Monday. If y'all ain't interested now, you can look for these at Django on 1111 SW Stark in Portland in a week or two. - -Michael np: I Often Dream of Trains, by you-know-who ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:32:49 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: european tour (100% RH) :> um, excuse me. woj? there is a proper way to reference url's. there are probably also as many improper ways as there are humans. but here on the feglist, we take pride in our grammar! hey spanish fegs! let's have a setlist, eh? this is important. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:32:56 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: european tour (100% RH) :> um, excuse me. woj? there is a proper way to reference url's. there are probably also as many improper ways as there are humans. but here on the feglist, we take pride in our grammar! hey spanish fegs! let's have a setlist, eh? this is important. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:41:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Midnight/Fish Albums Michael: >(of course, I have to hold onto a copy of BSDR because of the alternate >version >of The Man Who Invented Himself.) I *really* can't imagine why Rhino didn't add the sax version as a bonus track. Or even release the sax-less track at all -- I think the saxes are/were a really important part of the song's "hook." Meanwhile, I'm waiting to hear the first decent 1999 release. On February 9th, Adrian Belew and Beth Orton albums supposedly come out (I've heard the Belew, and it's pretty so-so), but how about February 23rd? According to my tentative info, the 23rd will bring us Sebadoh, Olivia Tremor Control, Jason Falkner, Paul Westerberg AND maybe XTC! Wow, how's that for a bonanza? It's Lambchop/starlet night!! (Oh, and Gene, Calexico is opening.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 15:01:53 PST From: "Khoi Huynh" Subject: Re: Midnight/Fish Albums REPLY TO 01/15/99 12:41 FROM gondola@deltanet.com "Eb": Re: Midnight/Fish Albums Eb wrote: >Belew, and it's pretty so-so), but how about February 23rd? >According to my >tentative info, the 23rd will bring us Sebadoh, Olivia Tremor >Control, >Jason Falkner, Paul Westerberg AND maybe XTC! Wow, how's that for a bonanza? Also John Wesley Harding's "Trad Arr Jones". To: gondola@deltanet.com cc: FEGMANIAX@SMOE.ORG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:09:47 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Midnight/Fish Albums >Also John Wesley Harding's "Trad Arr Jones". I'll pass. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: VIV LYON Subject: Just a collection of words. No, I'm serious. Some RH content, a lot of total bullshit Do you all know how depressing it us for me to check my mail and have no list mail? Okay, so I check my mail obsessively. There just isn't enough posting going on around here for my tastes, which means you get some disjointed rambling from me. 1. Recently had a dream in which I was in some sort of McDonald's type establishment, which made me unhappy, and I was apparently about to eat a hot dog and some sad looking french fries, which also saddened me, but at least they had a juke-box and it was playing Black Snake Diamond Role in its entirety. 2. I hear Robyn songs in my dreams all the time, come to think of it. 3. Last night's dream is Rh negative, but was pretty funny and featured Iggy Pop. I am realizing as I write this that there is no earthly way I can describe to you what he was doing in my dream, so I'll have to stop. 4. I recently developed a theory, which is mine, that Queen Elvis is in fact about Michael Stipe. 5. Some people have been bandying the name Joel Hodgson about. How many MSTies have we in the area? Raise your hands and heckle my post. 6. Here's the really annoying part. It's a list of some words. I thought to myself, "I wonder if I can write down every single word I know?" (I have what you might call an undemanding job at the moment) I quickly realized how foolish this would be, so I just started typing words on the screen as they came into my head, with minimal censoring. I guess I was sort of filtering (after a while) for 'interesting' words, but mostly it's a list of good words. Some we use often and forget how nice they sound and look, what images and feelings they conjure. Others are rarely used and should be taken out and paraded around once in while. Language takes my breath away. palliative regurgitate demolish demonstrate deviance demarcate bereave superlative enunciate crass flower belong restore underthing gravitate illustrate belie stratify glorious generative flea dalliance ingrate fence river ferry strike smite mote please free derive tremble deliver fallacy terrible striate fulminate venom fulsome winsome musing stoppage culver dyke vitupurous vermin calcify triage foreign straight galvanize strip gonad pulverize gorse bullion strop clamp clip glitch friable restrict elongate yellow hamstrung quip whelp ululate seminal alimony operative nefarious voluminous aluminum afraid calamity zero ulcer servile frozen ignominous glacier scarify grotesque bellow gratify numinous galaxy gelatinous icicle drama cycling revolve squamous ferrous gradiate banter criminal secondary trauma welcome frenelle jerk diminish gerontology kiss feral vertiginous delight syrup rupture stagnate frission glaze speed quell pillage halter vellum clarify examine beryl eviscerate stupify emigrate germane deliver steel krill perplex chelate salivate morsel quiver nuance swain versify germinate verify yarrow adamantine vessel instigate drake believe unravel whist parody crapulous periphery demand sulpherous somnolent gamine acrid polyphony weevil cyclops salacious query quill quandry queer frightened unreal perilous augury omen occult sterile furtive irrigate perjure dark morass chasm myriad fret nanosecond tremor pore saffron jitter lacrimate capacious ergot confer apace imminent shoulder case inhabit shellac propel infer trap babble rip gangrene opening jelly ominous prefer milky envelop stirrup mortify preen grimace quietus pick search famine peacock fester calamine reify dropsy pleurisy hellion pacify treacle irritant religiousity urea weft treble cramp jalopy respect bounty salamander crucify desire imagine death fiery solemn slope power thoroughbred malicious orifice liquid mutant scythe proximal gigantic mewling slip fellow salver pleasant dastardly unctuous tincture plausible treason caulk slice preserve trial basal helical trope splinter tipple foreceps trample boson neutral fizz pulpy reverbate transom illogical promenade pilfer dreamt lucid careening insectoid pescine pellucid porphyry julep triumverate livid turgid tumescent pander viral elliptical dorsal dermis limpid portal ocelot fluid narwhal trilling burthen codicil frigate monumental sonorous miscreant palpable bilious strand filament celadon penurious clabbered murrain stagger prole beleaguer emollient maudlin propellant demagogue colloid genuflect utensil cormorant rhizome ruminate recondite phosphorescent vernal loess belligerent pustule spiral hierophant necrosis ennervate effulgence lechery fenestrate insouciant crematorium surreptitious magma delerium ventilate stipple penury sycophant prandial terpsichorean dervish manichean opine porcelain gauge quinine arabesque oculus foci delve What's interesting here (to me, and possibly only me, I realize) is to see how some words obviously suggest the one that follows, and how others require a leap of thought to see how they arose, and others seem to have no connection at all. There are some places where only a feg would be able to see the connection, and that bespeaks a hideous and incurable collective illness on all our parts, I think. Vivien "This is only a test. Had this been a real movie, you would have been entertained." -Monster-a-go-go, MSTK _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:40:32 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Queen Stipe > 4. I recently developed a theory, which is mine, that Queen Elvis is > in fact about Michael Stipe. Now this is an interesting theory. I'd love to hear what all the fegs think about this one. I'm gonna listen to the song a few times and then I'll get back to you. And by the way Vivien, you are not the only one who has been disappointed with the amount of fegmail you've been receiving. I don't always participate in the discussions, but the list is still an important part of my day. Do any Lone Star fegs know if Elliot Smith has come to Texas in support of XO, yet. I think he's in Europe right now. I was just wondering if I've missed my chance at seeing him or if I should be on the lookout. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:20:41 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: a parting stupid lyric shot... ...before I leave on my holidays: the whole of "In the year 2525", by Zager and Evans, and the whole of "Zoom", by Fat Larry's Band: "Zoom, and my whole world went boom", fer crissakes >OK... I have (and regularly listen to) Too High To Die and Forbidden >Places, but what I've heard of No Joke wasn't all that appealling. this list worries me sometimes. Just this morning I was filling up a compilation travel tape with bits of Too High To Die and Forbidden Places, plus one track from No Joke. I don't own any others either. James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:17 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Mark Gloster in rare Bay Area performance "Livvin on a prayur..." "I've seen a million faces and I've rocked them all." "Uhma Kaoboah, onna steeyul horse ahh rahd..." "A loaded six-string on my back..." I promise I won't play any Bon Jovi if you come to see us. If you don't, I won't guarantee that several dwarves with bad voices and worse breath will not stand under your bedroom windows yelping these and other eighties MTV "classics" during the wee hours of the morning. I will be taking el numero dos slot and performing some ditties with fellow glassfleshian, Dave Brown next Friday, 1/22/99. Yes, it is an anniversary of my father's twenty-first birthday, as well. You may remember Dave Brown from such fingerpicked blind guy blues on the song, "Big Spit Blues" on the _Monday's Lunch_ CD, and playing and singing the lead on "One Long Pair of Eyes," from the amazing _Glass Flesh!_ tribute to Robyn Hitchcock. I play some of my own ditties from my CD acoustically, and will probably do some covers too. Dave does a lot of rootsy stuff and acoustic rock. Hopefully he'll even pull out a Billy Bragg tune or even "One Long Pair of Eyes," but that'll be up to him. I'm not entirely sure what Matt does, but I understand it's an acoustic rock thing. Dave assures me that his CD is very good. If some fegs (Robyn Hitchcock fans, for those of you who aren't hip to the lingo) show up and correctly identify themselves, I will play some Robyn Hitchcock tunes for y'all. I will also have _Monday's Lunch_ and _Glass Flesh!_ CD's there to peddle. Bring cash and checks and stuff, because you know you'll want to buy several of everything. I will be spending this week finishing my recovery from the Plutonian Death Flu and practicing guitar and stuff. Oh yea, I'll be working too. Remember, I don't play out much these days, and you are certain to like some of the rest of the guys. Happies! - -Markg Here's the facts, as I understand them for the show: Matt Nathanson 8:00 Mark Gloster 9:00 Mark 'n' Dave ~9:30 Just Dave Brown ~9:45 *************************************************************************** *** The Espresso Garden & Cafe (formerly Cafe T) is at 814 S. Bascom Ave in San Jose, across the street from Valley Medical Center, about a block south of 280. If you're coming on 280S, get off at the Leigh Ave. exit, go right on Leigh, right on Fruitdale, right on Bascom, and right into the Cafe parking lot. (There's more parking behind the building.) They have sandwiches, pizza, beer, wine, espresso, desserts, etc. For a map and more info, see: http://www.best.com/~metzger/sbf/openmike.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 14:49:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: European tour >robyn is embarking on a tour of spain, sweden, and italy; beginning >TONIGHT! road trip!!! Let's all meet before the Estragon show in Bologna on Feb 10th. Anyone know a good pizza place nearby? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:13:31 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: Meat Puppets Question Eb wrote: >I've only seen the Meat Puppets live once (several years ago) -- I > really want to see them again. did whichever Kirkwood brother that went missing last summer turn up yet? at least, i think i remember reading something about one of them disappearing having fallen into a serious drug haze, and that those closeby were beginning to feel pretty desparate. or maybe i'm wrong...... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:46:57 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Becaue Viv wants mail.... Well, I don't have too much to say mostly, but I feel all of you are my friends, and because Viv needs more mail..... I have been bouncing off of the walls at work and at home because I got my first letter of acceptance to law school Wednesday; that wasn't the bouncing part - I also was awarded a three year merit scholarship! I have only been listening to green colored Robyn Hitchcock albums this week on the BART (the bay area rapid transit, it is like a subway) I would love to go see mark play, but going to the south bay is still scary to me....I still avoid the 880 at all costs since quitting my job for the east bay. It literally gives me nightmares and shakes. I know i am a wuss... I saw the bank robbery hubbub today, being it was down the street from our office. There was an armed robbery of a Bank of America in San fran. i asked the crowd of people what was going on and they said an armed robbery and I split as fast as possible. Well, I haven't been to a concert since Johnathan Richmond in November. He seemed to be in good spirits and played some Modern Lovers classics. The last CDs I bought were The Miseducation of Laryn Hill, Talking Book by Stevie Wonder, of coarse Storefront Hitchcock, and the Essential Michal Nyman Band, a classical/minimalistic composer. Eleanore, in the east bay bouncing around, excited about going to the hell of grad school! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:30:21 -0800 From: West Subject: Re: Meat Puppets Question Capuchin wrote: > I'm a sucker for superfast singing, though. I'll tell you that. If > someone buzzes through more than six or seven syllables per second, I'll > almost always give it a second or twelfth listen. I have "Sam" on a tape of songs I like to sing in the car. When I have friends riding with me, I tell them it's the singalong portion of the program. C'mon, EVERYBODY!! "Maybetheyhadaridiculousstatementtomakeaboutsomethingtheyhadn'texperienced/PossiblySamhadadifferentopinionthatnobody'deverconsideredimportant..." Like Eb, I too have seen the Meat Puppets only once, but wowie zowie! It was an outdoor gig at the John Anson Ford Theatre, and they actually got the power shut off temporarily; it seems they were playing too loud, and were getting numerous complaints. From the Hollywood Bowl. Please bear in mind, those of you who do not live in L.A., that the Ford Theatre and the Bowl are separated by the Hollywood Freeway. I am not kidding about any of this. Yay, noise! Somethingly, West. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:04:34 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "suck a camel's ass." -- wesley willis i don't know about "as a result." probably just a question of natural evolution. but i think you could make a very good argument for the egyptians. also, what about husker du? i mean, if you include the sugar stuff, which maybe doesn't count. but i happen to think that BEASTER is bob mould's best record. i'll put a sawbuck on the olsen twins. yes, we do. interesting, but i don't really think so. must be a work in progress, then? otherwise, how do we account for the fact that the most interesting word of them all ("fuck") is not in there. also, no "wrecker." i *think* this is the only word on the list which is also the title of a robyn hitchcock song. some of you may know that the code-letter for tonic water on soda guns is "q." for "quinine water." i used to drink it straight a lot when i worked at the club. one time i asked a guy there if he wanted a drink of quinine water, and he got all pissed off. <>robyn is embarking on a tour of spain, sweden, and italy; beginning >TONIGHT! road trip!!! Let's all meet before the Estragon show in Bologna on Feb 10th. Anyone know a good pizza place nearby?> yay! russ has now posted twice in the last month. so maybe he's coming out of hibernation. gloster's been sick, so we can forgive him for not posting, i guess. karen (who i still think of as a portland feg, for better or worse) has posted some. tom is always tom (whatever that may mean.) that leaves .chris, nick, glen, chris f., and sydney to get off your lazy asses and fill up the fegmaniax computer network! it's funny you should say this, though, russ. i was, to put it mildly, VERY excited at the news that robyn is touring again. i was telling everybody, "robyn's playing in spain, sweden, and italy starting TONIGHT!!!!" and, see, the thing is, every time i ask for a day off, it's to do with a robyn hitchcock road trip. so they just naturally asked me if i was going. and when i related that i was not, they were all pretty disappointed! ah, but just don't try to sell off your transfer. 'cause it's grounds for arrest. when we were downtown frisco, jeme had to make...what was it you were up to, capooch? he'd had some problem with his bank account, or some such. so he left karen, chris and i out on the mean streets of san francisco, while he went inside a bank to get everything cleared up. one hour went by. two hours went by. three hours went by. finally, we all went inside to make sure he wasn't being tortured, and, there's our beloved capuch'n SITTING AT THE BANK PRESIDENT'S DESK, FEET UP ON THE DESK, CHOMPING ON A CIGAR, AND TALKING ON THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE! wha'???? i don't know. turns out they let him use the phone or something. so we were waiting for him, and i asked the security guy if he'd, "caught any robbers" that day. he hadn't. so then i was asking some other questions related to the catching of robbers. then, and this was completely unrelated, i decided to snap a photo graph of jeme sitting there in his Plutocrat Pose, and the security guy came pretty unhinged. i could see where he was coming from, once he explained it. Any programmer who decided to, shall we say, "capture the 2000 vision" and calmly informed his boss or bosses back in the '60's and '70's that he was going to use four-digit year dates when all others were using two-digit year dates, and when one meg of memory would cost the company $10,000 U.S., would rapidly discover the joys of being what in those days was correctly called, "fired." --brian w. kirby ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #15 ******************************