From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #5 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 6 1999 Volume 08 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Demented Parisiennes [Bayard ] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Tom Clark ] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Capuchin ] Re: early Beatles [hal brandt ] Re: and then there were....fegs! [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Capuchin ] onelists [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Tom Clark ] Re: early Beatles, Top 1,000 + Chills ["Jay Lyall" ] Re: and then there were....tangerine imacs [Zelda Pinwheel ] Re: Dave & John get erudite (RH 0%) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Dave & John get erudite (RH 0%) [Christopher Gross ] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Capuchin ] Re: A shadow on snow [Tom Clark ] New Email Quiz [Joel Mullins ] custom boxes [amadain ] Re: and then there were....fegs! [Tom Clark ] Five cool Grammy nominations [Eb ] Re: Five cool Grammy nominations [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:20:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Demented Parisiennes Dear Old Uncle Hedges: > I've thought about inventing a whole new economic system, but to be honest, > a system in which all aggregated wealth is diverted directly to me > personally *probably* won't catch on. That system already exists! It's called the Hegemony! Congratulations, John! =El Birdman Placenta de la Mucus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:36:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! On 1/5/99 11:55 AM, Eric Loehr wrote: >and then Eddie said (regarding Revolver): > > > >Wow, I didn't know that -- where/when did he say this? Robyn, Andy and Morris each listed their favourite ten albums of all time in the first fegMANIAX! newsletter (May of 1988?). I'd type them in tomorrow, but I'm sure somebody on the list already has it handy... Tangerine colored iMac, anyone? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > Tangerine colored iMac, anyone? I think I prefer the grape. But I still need a floppy drive. The new G3s are nice, though. (and you know my gripe about USB at the moment) Working like a madmonkey, Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:08:49 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: early Beatles Eddie wrote about England's Phenomenal Pop Combo: > apparently Hard Days Night (the movie) is getting a rerelease this > year. Actually, that'll be "Yellow Submarine" (not to be confused with The Rutles' "Yellow Submarine Sandwich"). /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:01:07 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! In a message dated 99-01-05 18:53:42 EST, you write: << On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > Tangerine colored iMac, anyone? I think I prefer the grape. But I still need a floppy drive. The new G3s are nice, though. >> Shoot howdy! Man, I love my G3! Yeah, I think tangerine would be a good additional color for iMac. Tell that Jobs fellah I said so :-) - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-01-05 18:53:42 EST, monkeyboy, he write: > << On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > > Tangerine colored iMac, anyone? > I think I prefer the grape. > But I still need a floppy drive. The new G3s are nice, though. >> > Shoot howdy! Man, I love my G3! Yeah, I think tangerine would be a > good additional color for iMac. Tell that Jobs fellah I said so :-) my friend. They're here. Didn't you read about the keynote? Sheesh! Get on top of things! I'm kidding, you know. And I'm talking about the NEW G3s... the ones with the nifty cases with four handles that are all transparent and schnikey. And I get to see Storefront Hitchcock in a couple days and it looks like most of the PDX-POP mailing list will be there (as most of them are huge Robyn fans as well... including, believe it or not, the fellow whose email address includes mr.tendril). Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:58:44 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: onelists >Yeah, I noticed that too. Do all onelist lists have like one person on >them or something? why do you think they're called onelists? James PS - IMHO, Revolver is possibly the second best album of all time. So it was something of a let-down after Rubber Soul... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:10:51 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! On 1/5/99 3:51 PM, Capuchin wrote: >But I still need a floppy drive. Wake up, man - it's 1999! but if you must: - -tc p.s. Anybody hear Rufus' dad on NPR this morning? He did a funny song about Clinton. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:03:06 -0600 From: "Jay Lyall" Subject: Re: early Beatles, Top 1,000 + Chills This is sorta peripheral to the thread, but someone has been posting MP3s of alternative tracks to Abbey Road on the alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 news groups...I've never heard them before, and they are not from the Anthology releases...their titled Beatlegs...my person theory is that it is Paul trying to screw Michael Jackson out of some royalties....but well worth looking for... - -----Original Message----- From: Capitalism Blows To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: Re: early Beatles, Top 1,000 + Chills > > >well, "wrecker" (in this context) has always been one of my favorite >words. but, "a gang of insurrectionist pinko wreckers" may just be the >greatest sentence in the english language! (even if it is doubly >redundant.) >very funny bit, commander lang! moreover, if you hadn't used such silly >names as "doglist" et al, i almost might've believed it was real. > > ><"Hard Days Night" and "Rubber Soul" are a couple >of the better pop albums ever made.> > >apparently Hard Days Night (the movie,) is getting a rerelease this >year. > > >don't like it as much as, oh, say, 7 or 8 other Beatles albums . . .> > >it's robyn's favorite album of all time. > > >art world, but I don't see how that puts hom anywhere near the top of >the list >of the "top 1,000 people of the millennium."> > >i think terry just said that he was *on* the list. not necessarily near >the top of it. > > >other.> > >yeah, i think you're right: durruti's got it in the bag. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:11:56 -0600 From: Zelda Pinwheel Subject: Re: and then there were....tangerine imacs >Tangerine colored iMac, anyone? So am I going to have to start collecting the darn things? I mean, I'm not sorry that I got a blue one back in August, but couldn't Apple have waited a bit longer before upgrading the iMac *and* lowering the price? Oh well, it's good to see Apple back in the game. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:12:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: AllStar news (no comment about Backstreet Boys being nominated for Best New Artist, and Rufus ignored) Momus Asks Fans To Pay $1,000 To Appear On Stars Forever Britain's eccentric purveyor of indie pop, Momus, is resurrecting an old idea for his next album, with the support of 30 lucky -- or wealthy, anyway -- fans. His latest project, Stars Forever, will see a return to the days of patronage in art, as the album's tracks will be "portraits" of the first 30 people to pay $1,000 to the Momus Stars Forever Fund. The lyrics will be based on 1,000-word descriptions of each patron, and each person participating will have the right to approve the lyrics before the song is recorded. All the money collected by the Momus Stars Forever Fund will be used to cover Momus' legal bills (for undisclosed reasons) from 1998. Also appearing as hidden tracks on the album -- which is due in late spring or early summer -- will be the winners of Momus' Karaoke Parody Competition. The competition invited fans to use the instrumental tracks at the end of his last album, The Little Red Songbook, to create their own parody of a Momus song. For more information on Stars Forever or the Karaoke Parody Competition, check out Momus' Web site. - Mike Magnuson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:04:17 -0700 From: Plpalmer@ix.netcom.com Subject: Chicago Dat Taper(non RH) I'm searching for a Chicago based DAT taper who can record an upcoming concert on 89.1. I could trade for Robyn shows. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 02:18:04 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: catching up Hello all, I just got back from out of town. I had to delete most of my messages, but I did scan a few and now I have some questions. 1. Is there really a drink called a Moss Elixir? If so, what's the recipe? 2. What's this about a documentary on Robyn? I haven't heard of this. - ------ Also, Revolver is a great album. But personally, if I was to say one album is my favorite of all time, I'd have to go with Abbey Road. I don't know if anyone is interested or not, but I just completed a new CD. That's what I was doing out of town, downmixing and shit. Anyway, it's mostly solo and acoustic and all original. If anyone wants one, I'd be happy to send one to you at cost. I think $4 would cover everything. Just let me know if you're interested. Or if you'd rather wait awhile, I plan on releasing it in a rareties box-set with extensive liner notes in about 25 or 30 years. But only if I find a record label to release some of my music between now and then. But don't hold your breath. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:20:01 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Dave & John get erudite (RH 0%) John Partridge wrote: > > I believe the correct interpretation stems from using the > >verb "to prove" in the sense of "to test", so the saying would go > >something like "that's the exception that tests the rule". On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, James Dignan wrote: > exactly the same misinterpretation is often applied to "the proof of the > pudding is in the eating". I've heard people translate it as meaning 'you > can't say for certain it exists until you try it', rather than 'trying it > is the true test of it'. The same usage of 'proof' occurs in the phrase "proving trials", during which ships, aircraft etc are put through tests before entering service. But an aeroplane has a 'test pilot', not a 'proof pilot'. I'm sure this relates to the discussion of test matches, but I'm not quite sure how. - - Mike (70 proof) Godwin PS Interesting prog on WW2 bombers on TV last night. The pilot of a B29 claimed that the gun turret was fitted with 'computers' which aimed the guns once the gunner had fed in the wingspan etc. In 1944/5? Can this be true? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Dave & John get erudite (RH 0%) I'm going to hop onto this question belatedly (perhaps because it's almost a week into the new year and I haven't thought of anything else to post yet). This question is, what does the expression "The exception that proves the rule" really mean? > John Partridge wrote: > > > I believe the correct interpretation stems from using the > > >verb "to prove" in the sense of "to test", so the saying would go > > >something like "that's the exception that tests the rule". My interpretation is slightly different. I think the expression is meant to imply that the exception in question is rare or unique, and therefore it proves the rule by virtue of being the *only* exception to that rule. This is, IMHO, borne out by usage: when you say that "Republican legislators are assholes, Arlen Spector being the exception that proves the rule," you mean "OK, Spector isn't so bad, but he's the *only* exception to the asshole rule." > PS Interesting prog on WW2 bombers on TV last night. The pilot of a B29 > claimed that the gun turret was fitted with 'computers' which aimed the > guns once the gunner had fed in the wingspan etc. In 1944/5? Can this be > true? Perhaps he meant a sort of calculator that figured out how much the guns should "lead" the target, based on estimates of size, distance, and speed, and then automatically inserted this lead as the gunner aimed the guns. (I remember reading about a similar calculator used on WWII submarines to figure out in which direction a torpedo should be launched.) It would probably have been partly or completely mechanical, sort of like a sophisticated adding machine, and would not have been programmable. Waiting for a squid-colored iMac, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:52:58 +0000 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: Dave & John get erudite (RH 0%) > PS Interesting prog on WW2 bombers on TV last night. The pilot of a B29 > claimed that the gun turret was fitted with 'computers' which aimed the > guns once the gunner had fed in the wingspan etc. In 1944/5? Can this be > true? As one who has touched a working valve-driven analogue computer, all I can say is that the pilot has either stretched the concept of the computer beyond the capacity of my own imagination, or that the planes towed dirigibles behind them to support this equipment. IIRC, the first computers were built during WWII for trajectory computations. These machines would have been huge, power-hungry and delicate. ENIAC was the first one, wasn't it? Or was that the first commercial application of the technology? ENIAC had a MTBF of something like 5 minutes. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:30:47 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: eruditer than all get out >PS Interesting prog on WW2 bombers on TV last night. The pilot of a B29 >claimed that the gun turret was fitted with 'computers' which aimed the >guns once the gunner had fed in the wingspan etc. In 1944/5? Can this be >true? I would guess that this is merely a mechanical device which would perform very approximate trig (think of a variable width camera viewfinder.) The actual turrets were amazingly high-tech in how they moved, but the aiming of the guns would have only been assisted by the calcumatator. Now, if the guns shot squid or bees, they would need much more computational power. Probably could have used iMac's in mauve or peach for this, but it should certainly match the pumps and handbag of the gunner. It is good now that computers afford that kind of fashion latitude now for the accessory-minded service person who also wants to be depicted by Bruce Willis or Dame Edna. I really want a 400Mhz G3 and flat panel macmonitor for my birthday. I'll be celebrating my birthday all month, so you can send me the parts as you all purchase them. Thank you. You are all truly wonderful. Happies, - -the creature that made the lagoon black (I hope to make it to MacWorld today or tomorrow) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Nigel & the Crosses flexi on eBay Ends: 01/10/99 17:18:40 PST Price: Currently $5.00 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53780726 Item Description: Bucketful of Brains magazine, issue #34 Robyn Hitchcock cover and includes a single (actual vinyl, not a flexi!) by the "legendary" Nigel & the Crosses (really a Hitchcock guise). Side A: Foxy Lady (Jimi Hendrix), Side B: The Queen of Eyes (live) Magazine itself is a bit worn (mostly creased with one small cover tear. Vinyl is in mint condition. Includes articles/ interviews with Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys, Dead Moon, Eleventh Dream Day, Giant Sand, Walkingseeds, Red Temple Spirits, X-tal, American Ruse. PS: anyone wanna help me debug/improve my robyn site? pls see me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > >But I still need a floppy drive. > Wake up, man - it's 1999! > but if you must: > See, I just like the ability to boot from a floppy now and again. I'm not about to burn a bootable CD every time I want to play with something Very Odd. But really, why don't they make removable panels on the iMac so's that you can swap colors? Or how about mood panels? Personally, I've been thinking for years about building custom artsy cases for people that don't want a stupid dove grey (or stupid turquoise and neon) box on or under their oak desk or near their bean bag chair. My first thought is to make a line with wood veneer... then I was thinking things like orange shag and vinyl. Yeah, there are things like heat disipation issues and such, but overcoming those problems could put a pc in the hands of the creative types who could really use one. (This, of course, goes back to my oldest mac argument... that whole closed architecture thingie... I had high hopes with all the licensing going on for a while, but I also understand that it was simply KILLING Apple to do that... both spiritually and financially. But cheap, interoperable parts are key for me. Just call me the colt of computing.) Making MYSELF sick with my incessant babble, Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:09:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: A shadow on snow On 1/5/99 5:15 AM, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >I feel like an inhabitant of Ursula LeGuin's winter planet >Gethen (except that I'm not ambisexual). You gotta love this list... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:23:55 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: New Email Quiz This is really cool. Everyone take this quiz. > Subject: New Email Quiz > > You must follow the rules on this one exactly, otherwise it won't work. > It's really scary how this works out. > NO CHEATING!!!! > > First, get a pen and paper. > > Second, write the numbers one through > six. > > Next to number one, write any number... > > Next to number two, write the name of > anyone to which you are really attracted... > > Next to three, write down the first > color you can think of... > > Next to number four, write the name of > your first pet.... > > Next to number five and six write down > the name of a family > member... > > Remember...no cheating..... > > Keep scrolling down........ > > Don't cheat, or you'll be upset....... > > here's the answers.... > > The number next to number one show how many times you should be > smashed over the head with a baseball bat for thinking that stupid > e-mails > like this actually mean anything.... > > The person named next to number two is someone who will never sleep > with you because you're stupid enough to waste your time on something > like this.... > > The color you picked means nothing. It's a friggin' color for > Christsake... > > Number four gives you the name of a dead animal.... > > Numbers five and six represent family members who are embarrased to > be related to you..... > > Pass this on to everyone you know, so they can feel like a > schmuck too > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:09:03 -0600 From: amadain Subject: custom boxes >Personally, I've been thinking for years about building custom artsy cases >for people that don't want a stupid dove grey (or stupid turquoise and >neon) box on or under their oak desk or near their bean bag chair. There IS at least one company that already does this. I was reading about them recently, only whatever magazine it was in (it was in the tech section of some or other glossy thing I was reading) seems to have vanished so I can't get the name or url for their site. Perhaps someone here knows what I'm talking about. IIRC tho, they only do wood cases, but they were quite handsome and unfortunately for those of us who thought it looked like a cool idea, not at all cheap. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:36:39 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: and then there were....fegs! I really hate discussing this on-list, but... On 1/6/99 10:48 AM, Capuchin wrote: >See, I just like the ability to boot from a floppy now and again. > Use the bootable CD that comes in the box. You can't even fit a bootable System on a floppy anymore. > >But really, why don't they make removable panels on the iMac so's that you >can swap colors? > We like to call those things "Great third party opportunities." > >(This, of course, goes back to my oldest mac argument... that whole >closed architecture thingie... >But cheap, >interoperable parts are key for me.) You mean industry standards like PCI cards, SVGA connectors, USB, FireWire, ATA, and ethernet? I don't think the closed architecture argument has any validity anymore. Hey, if you enjoy setting DIP switches and debugging driver conflicts, more power to you. We've all got more important things to do - like cover our iMacs with orange shag carpeting! ob Robyn: I finally bought a turntable after eight years of going without. You guys are right - the vinyl version of SH kicks ass. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:20:27 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Five cool Grammy nominations 1. Billy Bragg & Wilco's "Mermaid Avenue" for Best Contemporary Folk Album 2. Ennio Morricone for Best Instrumental Composition For Film or Television (or something like that) for "Bulworth" 3. Costello & Bacharach's "I Still Have That Other Girl" for Best Collaboration with Vocals 4. The Pet Sounds Sessions box for Best Historical Album 5. Jeff Buckley's "Everybody Here Wants You" for Best Male Rock Vocal Otherwise, ehhh.... (What, no Historical or Folk nominations for "Live 1966"? Hmpf.) Eb, who wishes he hadn't gotten rid of the Lauryn Hill album so quickly PS Spare me, Susan. :P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:30:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Five cool Grammy nominations Eb: >(What, no Historical or Folk nominations for "Live 1966"? Hmpf.) Well, you pompous shithead, I recently read that "Live 1966" was ignored simply because it wasn't released during the eligibility period. So it could still win some nominations *next* year. Get a clue. Eb, hoping to be spared Eb's usual belligerent reply ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #5 *****************************