From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #3 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 4 1999 Volume 08 : Number 003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Song Context [Michael Wolfe ] Storefront Portland! [Carole Reichstein ] Re: drink recipies [amadain ] Re: ["Capitalism Blows" ] NYT review ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Re: NYT review [desmond in a tutu ] Re: Storefront Portland??!!! ["Capitalism Blows" ] songs well placed [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] yet more cricket (but short!) [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James D] Re: drink recipies [overbury@mustang.cn.ca] UK Storefront vinyl date [Gary Sedgwick ] It pays to develop your wordpower [dlang ] RW list [Eric Loehr ] RE: "Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski." ["Partridge, John" Subject: Song Context Viv formulated the ensuing: >Well, not to be disgustingly on-topic, but I feel that way about 'This >is how it feels' at the end of Moss Elixir. The preceding song, which >I feel ridiculous for even thinking that I have to name but here I go >anyway- You and Oblivion- seems like a natural closing song, >melancholy and beautiful. Then this even more beautiful song sneaks up >and thwacks you in the sternum. I just about fall down every time I >hear that song. > >(It seems to me that Y&O is about saying goodbye. Perhaps Robyn didn't >want to say goodbye just yet, so he put this achingly sincere love >song at the end of the album to remind (himself?) us (?) that love can >transcend death and time. Unless Y&O is really about people changing >so much that they can't be together anymore, in which case love can't >do a goddamn thing. I am reading way too much into this, I think.) Oh, right on! You know, I was wracking my brain for examples from Robyn's work, but just couldn't seem to come up with anything. You're so very right, though. Whenever I listen to M.E. all the way through, Y&O has this incredible finality to it, with that electric guitar reverberation that just trails off. It would indeed be a perfect place to end the album; but he doesn't, he feels the need to end with hope. It's what he tries to do on Respect, but he's much, much more successful here. Wafflehead's so silly that, IMHO it kind of negates what came before, but This is How it Feels (itself rather wistful and elegaic) is entirely compatible with the emotions presented in Y&O. It's sort of the difference between feeling down and having a friend crack a joke to make you feel better, and feeling down and having a friend give you a hug to make you feel better. I personally prefer the latter. I don't think you're reading too much into it at all. That's what I love about art and art criticism; is that you are invited to make these kinds of readings, and to interrogate your reaction to a piece of work. I think the marriage of intelligent discourse to visceral reaction makes the effects that art can have much more potent. On a completely different note, woj, you scooped me! Being a film buff, I watch the movie listings here in Portland like a HAWK, but hadn't gotten a chance to pick up the latest schedule for the NW Film Center yet. So imagine my elation and surprise when I checked the fegmania website and discovered that the NWFC is showing Storefront Hitchcock this weekend! Yay! I think I'll go to both showings. :) So, of course the question becomes, will we have a feggy gathering? I'd love to see again those wonderful folks who I met when Mark G was in town, and I'd be happy to provide a crash pad for anyone who was interested in making a pilgrimage. This seals it, though. I'm definitely going to get a year's pass to the Film Center for '99. Whee! - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Storefront Portland! Markeefe, thank you SO much for posting the Storefront Hitchcock/Elliott Smith double feature news. Oh boy oh boy oh boy! Maybe I'll go to both shows? I'll have to fiddle with my work schedule a bit so that I won't show up late, but this shouldn't be too difficult. Alrighty, so will Capuchin save seats for ten of us????? :) Just joking. Whoo-hoo! Robyn *and* Elliott Smith? Swoon! Hee-hee. Carole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:40:27 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: drink recipies > Does anyone know drink would be created if you nix, Captain Morgan >Orig. Spiced Rum, pineapple juice, a few squirts of lemon juice? Well, if you nix them all, you wouldn't have anything *snarf snarf*. Seriously, I dunno. I used to have a mixing guide that had all of those tropical-ish funny named drinks in it, but I don't know where it's got to so I can't help. >dunno' the quantity of each ingredient, I just threw it into a >blender. And hot damn. It pretty good shit. If you've got any spare champagne from New Year's, you might want to try throwing it into that there blender with some strawberries or pineapple, a pinch or so of sugar, and some crushed ice. This will produce something good too. > Pat, who on cold snowy days like these. NEVER GIVES IN to a Cleveland >winter! CLEVELAND winter? I scoff- unless, that is, you got the same storm we did in Chicago, in which case I salute you as a fellow spirit. My back is still aching like hell from helping the SO liberate the sidewalks and driveway from SEVENTEEN inches of snow (and falling as I write). Anyone here who's ever had to push a billion pounds of snow out of the way to get their friggin front door open knows whereof I speak here. It's a trip! Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:38:15 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: <> --the vinyl releases of UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT list it as The Queen Of > Eyes, rather than Queen Of Eyes??? oddly disturbing.> to say the least! the hamilton disco. lists it as The Queen Of Eyes, by the way. but this was compiled before the soft boys were released onto cd, so, the only thing she had to go on was the vinyl. also, you know how robyn uses the "code" language for the songs, which is merely an acronym of the song's title? well, he always refers to it as "QOE," rather than "TQOE." for what that's worth. the thing is, it's that way on *both* the cd and the vinyl. moreover, you would think that someone would have drawn it to robyn's/the record company's attention, and they would have changed it on subsequent pressings (maybe they did? maybe there weren't any subsequent pressings?) but before i checked the museum's disco., i was kind of assuming that it had been intentional, and was trying to figure out just exactly what it was supposed to mean. it was difficult. reminder: z magazine is running a highly recommended (by me) three-part article by robin hahnel on the collapse of the asian economies. just got the new one in the mail yesterday, and it's superb. so, look for it on the stands in the coming week, i guess. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:50:10 PST From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: NYT review FYI: There's a review of "Storefront Hitchcock" (the CD, not the movie) in today's NY Times Arts & Leisure section. Fairly lengthy review (takes up all of the page that isn't advertising), and very positive. Katherine, who still doesn't understand cricket n.p. Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies, BEDE WEEPS ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:27:01 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: NYT review also sprach J. Katherine Rossner: >FYI: There's a review of "Storefront Hitchcock" (the CD, not the movie) >in today's NY Times Arts & Leisure section. Fairly lengthy review >(takes up all of the page that isn't advertising), and very positive. this article (or a reasonable facsimile) is on the new york times website at (at least for the time being -- i imagine it'll move into a new location come tomorrow). woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:57:23 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Storefront Portland??!!! a weeklong run, with three showings per night, in seattle, would be better. but, yes, this is quite good news. and one black away you shall remain, sir, until such time as you divulge the name of your cat! are you with me on this, portland fegs? pig pile on jeme until he gives up the name of his cat! (of course, i guess that means none of *us* could go to the movie, either. hmmm...maybe we could hire some robots to pig pile on him while we go off and enjoy a nice, refreshing evening at the cinema. and then, best of all, we wouldn't have to pay the robots, because they're fucking robots! stiff the fucking robots! who's gonna know or care? (apart from commander lang, i mean.)) i'll be there sunday. any seattle (or vancouver or victoria, if you can get down here and back up independently) fegs wanna ride along, lemme know. what he said! what he said! what he said! well, before, of course. and then if you comply with our wishes (in the accepted manner,) we can discuss "after." yeah, and let's do it *onlist* just to piss everyone off! any, any, any word at all about a possible appearance by robyn and/or demme? SAT 9 9:15 P.M.,  SUN 10 7:30 P.M. PORTLAND PREMIERE i'm pretty certain the san francisco running time was 86 minutes. if so, looks like they've cut out a song. which sucks. but i'll be there all the same. what was the new york running time? i didn't pay much attention, 'cause i couldn't be there. you see how fucking self-centered i am, fegs? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:07:42 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: songs well placed ><"Oh!... >I forgot that was there!" type feeling, sort of getting taken by surprise, >with >one's emotional guard down. If so, where?>> I don't have it near me at the moment, and I haven't heard it for quite a while, so the exact quote will elude me, but the firsat Suzanne Vega album has a pair of songs that do this - "The queen and the soldier", I think the first is called, followed by the line in (?) "Night moves" about the knight turning himself into a pawn. Always thought it was a great juxtaposition and one of those rare instances where the resolution to one song isn't complete until part-way through the next... also, many albums close with the perfect song. Several of XTC's songs can be cited here: some examples include Travels in Nihilon, Complicated Game, Chalkhills and Children. They just reach in, grab everything that has been welling up during the course of the album,, and pull hard. I think the Beatles' "A day in the life" also deserves a mention here, plus John Cale's "Antarctica starts here", and the Chills' "Submarine Bells". Even the weirdly hokey sound of Eno & Cale's "The river" sums up the album it is on perfectly - 'yes, it was all a dream. You can go back to sleep now...' James PS - good to see the Verlaines get a mention! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:07:49 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: yet more cricket (but short!) >only >as a recent marketing ploy. It is geographically too complicated for all >the first-class nations to play each other every year.> > >really? james mentioned that one is coming together, but, what have >been the stakes up until now? It's the logistics involvedd with the length of the games that is the main bugbear. A test match takes five days. A tournament held in one country would probably last over a month, even if it was a strict knock-out competition. Any form of round-robin would take ebven longer. With nine test-playing nations, the ideal situation would be three groups of three nations playing round-robin, then a final group of three - even that (allowing for rest between matches) would take a long time. And with the vagaries of the game being what they are, you can't really get a fair and accurate reflection of who the top team is from just one test (plus the fact that it is as likely to end in a draw as in a victory to one side or the other). So do you do it on a home-and-away basis? Then you've got the fact that international tours are usually organised and booked years in advance - trying to find a time when no tours would be disrupted is not easy. Because of the length of games, international tours tend to be longer than in other sports, so finding gaps in the schedule is tricky, to say the least. Hope those of you in the Great Lakes/Midwest area are keeping warm James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:56:43 +0000 From: overbury@mustang.cn.ca Subject: Re: drink recipies > > Does anyone know drink would be created if you nix, Captain Morgan > >Orig. Spiced Rum, pineapple juice, a few squirts of lemon juice? The Cabin Boy, the Cabin Boy the Dirty Little Nipper ... - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:20:24 -0000 From: Gary Sedgwick Subject: UK Storefront vinyl date Happy New Year to everyone! I was up at Tower Records in Picadilly recently, and asked about the Storefront vinyl album. They looked it up, and said it hadn't been released yet - it's apparently due out next Monday (11th). Gary - -------------------------------- For latest Fly news, info and samples, go to: http://www.flyonline.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:04:09 +0930 From: dlang Subject: It pays to develop your wordpower Dearest Fegs, It occurs to me that the standard of English has deteriorated recently on the list,with many colloquialisms and slang phrases coming into play. I was wondering waht we could do to rectify the situation , when lo! Whilst rummaging through a pile of old "Readers Doglist TM" mags from the early 80's , I came across this handy little article which a I would advise the less literate amongst us to peruse at their leisure. Answers to come tomorrow. It pays to enrich your word power. Boffy Tweggs, supremo of the National Drain Board, has provided this edition's list of useful and often misused words. Tick the word or phrase nearest in meaning to the key word. (1) extrorse (ex traw'ss) A: extremely. B:additional equine creature. C: to overwhelm. D: leftwing mob, (2) cadige (cad'idj) - A: Barcelona. B: left-legged hurty dance. C: x-2n(p+42), D: thingy. (3) gooreadiness (goo' red' i' ness) A: prepared for-a state of stickiness. B: horse-blanket. C: abject dyspepsia. D: porbeagle, (4) Glitch (gli'ch) - A: dog-do. B: extrorse. C: the Carthaginians. D: commie rabble. 5) indaba (inn'dubba) - A: chronic taliacotian drinking haunt. B: exit from Tesco supermarket. C: zulu medical conference, D: no socks for Ivan. (6) pligget (plig'git) - A: secondhand manhole cover from Rangoon. B: something useful to pull. C: blunt instrument for removing Winfield labels. D: Etruscan cheese biscuit. (7) improxicable (imm(prox'ikabl) - A: beyond belief! B:disconcerting. C: imponderable. D: unwashed commie student layabout. (8) glopple (glop'l) - A: gadget for opening Welsh doors. B: sweet-meat, C: hummock on the West Teeth bypass. D: palliasse, (9) taliacotian (tall'ia'koshun) A: unexpectedly round spherical object, B: small armadillo-like creature served in gravy. C: formule. D: eighty-three. (10) barf (barrtff) - A: contents of Ace barf holster, B: utterance of dog with speech defect. C: residue on soiled bus seat. D: stream of ghastly spew. (11) bazoot (Buz'oot) - A: dog-do. B: Eastern European plastic mac for CZ owners, C: Eastern European plastic mac for a CZ. D: Czech suppository, (12) lobotomy (lub'otomee) - A: Frank Trough's dog. B: a large toe-nail clipping. C: a group of pinko trouble-makers. D: an extinct dance, Solutions to come tomorrow. dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: RW list Hey Eb (and even everyone else), Just in case you haven't seen it yet, there's a new list for Rufus W. at onelist (www.onelist.com); it's in the Pop category, and it's called Foolishluv. This has been a public service announcement from someone who hasn't yet heard RW (I promise to get out of the cave sometime this year) and still thinks Chaka Khan first when he hears the name. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:03:41 -0800 From: "Partridge, John" Subject: RE: "Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski." Mr. Blows said: > yeah, yeah, i know. i'm the only > one who even *remotely* gives a fuck (exception that proves the rule, > maybe: john partridge.) but for what it's worth, i'm Can I just say here, Chris for one moment, that I have a new theory about the brontosaurus? (clears throat) This theory, which belongs to me, is as follows... (more throat clearing) This is how it goes... (clears throat) The next thing that I am about to say is my theory. (clears throat) Ready? So anyway, I can say first-hand that there are actually tons more inconsistencies and for collector types like myself they're a real headache. FWIW, I decided for my discography that there would be a song title (that would precisely reflect how the song was listed/spelled/punctuated on the CD, album, what have you) as well as a song notion (that would be independent of how it was spelled or punctuated, etc.) I forget the most egregious problems but they included disagreements between the album cover and the label on the vinyl itself. Songs like "(I want to be an) Anglepoise Lamp" lend themselves to this kind of problem. For example, I really like the song "Queen of Eyes" which appears in some places as "The Queen of Eyes" and in other places as "Queen of Eyes". That is, I like the song notion, and it goes by lots of song titles. Eb, you might think this is the absolute nadir of pedanticism but don't turn back now. A minor quibble: The figure of speech, "The exception that proves the rule", is I believe widely misunderstood. More and more often I hear it used to suggest that a rule's credibility is somehow increased if one can find a single case that contradicts it. A la: Oh, see I found an example that refutes my rule so that demonstrates this rule is even *better* because it's realistic. Or something. I believe the correct interpretation stems from using the verb "to prove" in the sense of "to test", so the saying would go something like "that's the exception that tests the rule". And while I'm rambling there's another colloquialism, "If you think X, then you've got another thing coming!", that actually comes (my theory the second) from knocking the corners off of "If you think X, then you've got another think coming." ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #3 *****************************