From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #488 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, December 28 1998 Volume 07 : Number 488 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Songs of Christmas [Chris ] Cool Record Shops [Bayard Catron ] boxing day? [Carole Reichstein ] Re: boxing day? [Danielle ] Re: boxing day? [Bayard Catron ] Re: boxing day? [Joel Mullins ] Re: boxing day? [overbury@mustang.cn.ca] another consensus [Eb ] Leif Garrett - my hero! [Chris ] Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! [Eb ] Peake/Hitchcock connection? [overbury@mustang.cn.ca] re: something for you to ponder... [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (] Pogs, Ush, Xmas (0.738% Robyn) [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James ] Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! [S Dwarf ] Re: another consensus [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Songs of Christmas [amadain ] RE: Fobbed Eggs [amadain ] "I don't know...." [Patrick Welker ] useless debate [hal brandt ] Pass the Nyquil [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:42:06 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Subject: Re: Songs of Christmas Forgive me if anyone's mentioned this one already. I haven't had much time to read the digests lately and have been skimming them. This cd is probably out of print by now, but if you can find it, it is different from your usual Xmas cds. If anyone is into 60's garage bands, there was a cd on Etiquette Records that came out in 1991. It is called Merry Christmas from the Sonics, the Wailers, and the Galaxies. It was originally released on lp in 1965. SOme traditional numbers, and some Christmas originals are done in that fabulous 60's garage style. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:19:31 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Catron Subject: Cool Record Shops Seeking: Cool, non-franchise record (CD) shops who might be interested in buying/distributing/whatever high quality CD's such as _Monday's Lunch_ and other Tigermonkey releases. If you know of a cool store (or indeed, if you own or run a cool store) let me know and I will forward them/you evaluation copies of _Monday's Lunch__ and _Glass Flesh_ asap. Bulk discount is available. Many thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:53:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: boxing day? Mark, thank you for the lovely "Twas the night before Boxing Day" Christmas Stanza. But I have a question, and maybe any UK/New Zealand/Canadian Fegs know the question. What *is* Boxing day? What do people do on it? An excuse to go to the pub and drink all day? Are any presents given or received? Does it have any pugilistic meaning? Just curious. Carole, tired of paella leftovers already! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: Danielle Subject: Re: boxing day? Carole says: > What *is* Boxing day? 26th December, as a rule. ;) > What do people do on it? Usually they lie around recovering from the copious amounts of plum pudding consumed. Especially if Christmas was a bloody hot summer's day. And there's always family bickering, of course. > An excuse to go to the pub > and drink all day? I don't think they're open, actually... > Are any presents given or received? Nope. > Does it have any pugilistic meaning? No. As I recall (feel free to correct me, James or Mr Godwin or somebody) the name comes from a British tradition of giving servants their presents on the day after Christmas, since the poor sods were working on the day itself. Summat like that, anyway. So, in sum: a public holiday during which nothing in particular is done and nothing in particular is celebrated. Nifty, huh? :) Very impressed by the Christmas story and poem, by the way. :) Oh, and on an Ebbish note: I fainted dead away during my morning toiletries today. It was rather unnerving. Danielle, not currently all that impressed with my habitually low blood pressure _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Catron Subject: Re: boxing day? Carole wonders: > What *is* Boxing day? What do people do on it? Isn't it so named b/c people pack up all the gifts they don't want and return them to the stores? > Carole, tired of paella leftovers already! Box 'em up and send 'em to me! I'm STARVIN'! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:19:30 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: boxing day? > What *is* Boxing day? What do people do on it? Well, this Canadian friend of mine told me that you're supposed to have dinner with your family on Christmas, and then have dinner with your friends on Boxing Day. I'm sure there's more to it, but that's part of it. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:15:58 +0000 From: overbury@mustang.cn.ca Subject: Re: boxing day? > Carole says: > > > What *is* Boxing day? > Danielle answered: > 26th December, as a rule. ;) > > > What do people do on it? > > As I recall (feel free to correct me, James or Mr Godwin or > somebody) the name comes from a British tradition of giving servants > their presents on the day after Christmas, since the poor sods were > working on the day itself. Summat like that, anyway. No correction here. I give all my servants their presents on Boxing Day. I always thought it was observed in the US as well, but heard on the news yesterday that it isn't. Anybody know why? > So, in sum: a public holiday during which nothing in particular is > done and nothing in particular is celebrated. Nifty, huh? :) > You forgot Boxing Day Madness, Danielle -- that door-busting, bloody shopping orgy studded with the pointy elbows of the frenzied crowd on a desperate search for any and everything on reduced to clear. At least that's how we observe it here. > Danielle, not currently all that impressed with my habitually low > blood pressure Try raising it with a Boxing Day shopping spree. Arrrrgh! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:19:52 -0800 From: Eb Subject: another consensus The LA Times' consensus top 10 of 1998 came out today. Typically, there's an obvious LA bias to the list...eels at #3?? Beck and (yes) Rufus benefitted from this slant too, I'm sure. 1. Lauryn Hill 2. PJ Harvey 3. eels 4. Elliott Smith 5. Rufus Wainwright 6. Beck 7. Beastie Boys 8. Lucinda Williams 9. Alanis Morissette 10. Fatboy Slim Eb PS Lots of critics are overrating PJ Harvey based on the wonders of her previous album, I feel. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:55:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Subject: Leif Garrett - my hero! In a Leif Garrett induced haze, "she.rex" said- >Eb, thanks for posting the Leif Garrett piece - this cracked me up! What a >blast from the past, eh? I can't recall a single line or note, much less an >entire tune, but I do remember the posters on a friend's wall (this was 6th >grade!). Ahhhh... yeah, thanks Eb. It brought back the good old days - junior high and Leif Garrett. I still remember his covers of Surfin' USA and Tommy Roe's Sheila, as well as the oh-so-fab disco semi-hit, I Was Made For Dancing. Yup, I still recall those meaningful lyrics - "And everytime I want more, I take it out on the floor, I Was Made For Dancing, all all all, all night long". Yeah! Try and top that, Carl Palmer! I still have my Leif Garret lps, 45's and even the Leif Garrett Photo Album, and Leif Garrett Biography that I got from some teen mag. I even pick up any lp's I dont' have, if I see them at flea markets. But, (and this is very important), I dont' listen to them... well, not very often. Geez, I'm not totally insane, which is what having to listen to those albums would surely make a person. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:15:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! Chris: >I still have my Leif Garret lps, 45's and even the Leif Garrett Photo Album, >and Leif Garrett Biography that I got from some teen mag. I even pick up any >lp's I dont' have, if I see them at flea markets. Wow. There's just no telling which of my off-topic news postings will strike a chord, eh? ;) Eb, afraid to ask how many Fegs own the Kristy & Jimmy McNichol record.... PS Speaking of off-topic news, the latest I've heard is that Alice Cooper just opened a restaurant, because his golfing wasn't taking up enough of his time ;) PPS I'm going to the doctor on Tuesday, to find out just how sick I am ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:58:31 +0000 From: overbury@mustang.cn.ca Subject: Peake/Hitchcock connection? "Over their gapings and sepulchral deeps he skimmed now here, now there, in his private canoe, changing his course with a flick of his paddle when death's black whale, or the red squid of passion, lifted for the moment its body from the brine." They're both overly fond of commas, don't you think? - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:48:40 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: re: something for you to ponder... all you potential quiztypes - we have a winner! Capuchin, of the Robyn Hitchcock mailing list Fegmaniax!, somehow managed to amass 21 out of 21 right answers! I won't release the answers for two weeks, though, just in case any of the rest of you want to continue trying... and no, Christopher Price, the answer wasn't "12". You need to copy Marcy's answers a bit more carefully than that... James PS - Mike, yes you were right about Laocoon... looks like there are two possible questions for this one! PPS - next time, I make it harder! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:55:16 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Pogs, Ush, Xmas (0.738% Robyn) >- --Quail, still a huge Ush fan after all this time. . . . unfortunately, too many people imitate Ush, and usually very badly. Even the Carpenters lamented this when they sang: "there's a kind of Ush all over the world tonight" >WEST'S CHRISTMAS IMPLOSION as a boring old fart I must add Jethro Tull's "Another Christmas song" >>Sorry to do this, but- is Jonathan Turner in the audience? Or anyone else >>who leaves near Camden? ObRobyn - Camden Town is one of the 52 +/- 5 stations on the Northern Line James (back online after a server decided that 11pm on Christmas Eve was a great time to do the big firework) PS - in Dunedin there is a folk/jug band called "The Pog'n'Scroggin Bush Band" that are widely known as the Pogs. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! Eb wrote: > PS Speaking of off-topic news, the latest I've heard is that Alice Cooper > just opened a restaurant, because his golfing wasn't taking up enough of > his time ;) and with Dave Mustaine out of Megadeth. cuz when you ponder good eatings, nothing says it like someone who threw a chicken into his audience to have it torn to pieces and who ritual decapitates himself on stage, and someone thrown out of Metalica from being too drunk and creepy. And the reason we don't have Boxing Day in the US is cuz we are free from the those quaint English class distinctions. yeah, that's the ticket........ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:15:37 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: another consensus In a message dated 12/27/98 3:20:16 PM, Eb wrote: <> Well, all three of these albums are making a lot of Top 10 lists. I don't see these inclusions as being *necessarily* biased or surprising. Eels was my #3, too (yeah, yeah, I know -- 13/20 from you) << 1. Lauryn Hill 2. PJ Harvey 3. eels 4. Elliott Smith 5. Rufus Wainwright 6. Beck 7. Beastie Boys 8. Lucinda Williams 9. Alanis Morissette 10. Fatboy Slim >> Looks not unlike almost every list I've seen this year. Only two albums would make my personal Top 10 (Eels and Elliott), but, whatever. << PS Lots of critics are overrating PJ Harvey based on the wonders of her previous album, I feel. >> I don't like "Is This Desire?" as much as "To Bring You My Love," but I know several people who would list it as their #1 album of the year. This was a year of many, many quality releases. There were very few stand-outs, but there were tons that I found pretty darn enjoyable. So, *most* Top 10 lists this year seem pretty valid to me, although that Beasties release was extremely ordinary for them, I thought (and I don't even like the Beasties to begin with). - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:37:09 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Songs of Christmas >amadain wrote: >> >> How could everyone forget my *very* favorite Xmas song: Emerson, Lake & >> Palmer's "I Believe in Father Christmas"? I always play that incessantly at >> this time of year. :) Very funny ebby! Do you have any IDEA what a shock it was to download six days worth of mail and see my own nick/address in there????? :) Incidentally..... Chris writes: >out of print by now, but if you can find it, it is different from your usual >Xmas cds. If anyone is into 60's garage bands, there was a cd on Etiquette >Records that came out in 1991. It is called Merry Christmas from the Sonics, >the Wailers, and the Galaxies. It was originally released on lp in 1965. I'm thinking Razor and Tie may have this. A few weeks ago I bought something quite similar on the Razor and Tie label, a reissue of The Ventures Christmas album (1967 I believe, though I'm not certain). If you like this CD, you will like the Ventures one too. It is wonderful. The medley of "Frosty The Snowman" and "Tequila" is alone worth the price of purchase. Something to note for another year, I guess :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:20:58 -0600 From: amadain Subject: RE: Fobbed Eggs >Morrison. I also think we'd all agree that Robyn's lyrics are >impenetrable compared to most of the other songwriters we listen >to and like. Um, speak for yourself there, Partridge.....(*ponders some mystic utterances from her other favorite songwriters- "I feel just like an undercover Sigmund Freud", "and when it strikes the hour/I will steal your happy flower", "the rain man draws circles/up and down the block", etc., etc.*) >As I've said in the past, I have a very positive >reaction to his lyrics but they also do not match the pop-song >template. Agreed here, generally, but only about the lyrics. Aside from the occasional exception like "Autumn Sea", Robyn's songs are not strikingly odd in form, but for the most part pretty conventional and not likely to startle. And I don't think most listeners care all that much about lyrics. If they did, how did "La Bamba" and "Der Komissar" become so popular? :) Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 08:45:03 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Welker Subject: "I don't know...." Who amongst us doesn't sing aloud when Buffets "Volcano" plays on the radio? Pat(who's very bored at work and missing summer). _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:58:58 -0700 From: hal brandt Subject: useless debate E "Don't call me proggie" b wrote: > Greg Lake may have recorded "I Believe in Father Christmas" on his own, > but it was released on an Emerson, Lake & Palmer album (either "Works > Volume 2" or "Works Volume 1," I forget which) so calling it an ELP song > isn't offbase. Otherwise, we couldn't call "Blackbird" a Beatles song, etc. "Blackbird" was always credited to The Beatles; it was never released as a solo single. "Father Xmas" was a single by Greg Lake. The fact that it was an inclusion on an odds & sods compilation ("Works Vol 2") doesn't change that fact. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:35:08 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Pass the Nyquil On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > then i think you're missing the point. it's got nothing to do with how > much or little *you personally* agree with it. it's objectively > freedom-inhibiting, therefore on the right. Your definition of freedom is hardly objective. See below. > how? i just said that if you favor freedom, you're toward the left, and > if you don't you're toward the right. where's the value judgement? Right there. You define "freedom" to mean anything you agree with. A libertarian would define it differently. I would define it differently. I find the Tewsian brand of "freedom" (as I understand it, with a communal economy) to be extremely oppressive. Using your definition of left-wing and right-wing, that would make you a right-winger. > i thought we were talking about a *spectrum*. i thought i said that the > *more* you favor freedom, the more you *tend* toward the left, and that > the *more* you disfavor freedom, the more you *tend* toward the right. No. *You* were talking about a spectrum. *I* was disagreeing with you, and saying that politics can't be boiled down into a two-dimensional spectrum. That's how this whole discussion got started. Anyway, all this quibbling over terminology is a bit silly since you and I agree on about 80% of political issues anyway, and isn't arguing among ourselves exactly what the Other Side (tm) wants us to do? Divide and conquer, right? Anyway, it's Christmas, or Yule, or whatever. Re. Christmas songs, I've seen neither hide nor hair on the many lists of Martin Newell's brilliant "Christmas in Suburbia," a perfect song in nearly every way except for Newell's annoying habit of pronouncing the "t" in "Christmas." The kids' tape that y'all helped me make was a mixed success. I included lots of TMBG, Spike Jones, Robyn (incl. "Balloon Man" and "Furry Green Atom Bowl"), and other odds and ends, resulting in a glorious mess which was appreciated more by the kids' parents than by the kids themselves. I'm hoping they're just a little young yet to appreciate it. While I was in Louisiana, soaking in those Elephant 6 vibes, my Robyn floating pen arrived. It's black, so it matches all my outfits, and I can't stop playing with it. Why can't other artists have merchandise this cool? I want a Brian Eno ambient alarm clock - the alarm is so quiet that it completely fails to engage your attention in any way. I hope you all had a very happy holiday. n., who can't wait to see the next installment of the Quail's story... p.s. I have a job interview tomorrow at the new Ann Arbor office of the on-line All-Music Guide. Wish me luck! p.p.s. Please excuse any incoherence in the above post, I'm running a low-grade fever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:00:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Leif Garrett - my hero! On 12/27/98 4:15 PM, Eb wrote: >PS Speaking of off-topic news, the latest I've heard is that Alice Cooper >just opened a restaurant, because his golfing wasn't taking up enough of >his time ;) It's in Phoenix, apparently his personal Hard Rock, full of memorabilia. My mom told me about it during our Christmas day chat. What's more amazing about Alice opening a restaurant is that my Mom knows who he is! The reason we don't celebrate Boxing Day in the US? We're such f*cking gluttons, there's never anything left for the servants! later, - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #488 *******************************