From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #479 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 22 1998 Volume 07 : Number 479 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feb Egg [Eb ] ob Soft Boys ref [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: We. Snow. Yay. [Tom Clark ] sex etc [dmw ] [none] [James Dignan ] Re: the last few digests (hold on tight!) [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac] Belated, Inflated [Charles Gillett ] cale [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] gov't? [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] An Introduction ["she.rex" ] Music ["she.rex" ] Re: Unpleasantness [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Feb Egg Over Easy [Bayard Catron ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:41:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Feb Egg Bayard bayed: >Robyn writes a lot of songs about the "real" world. >He often does so using what Nabokov might call "dream logic", which you >might feel obfuscates the whole point of writing "on topic" songs, but >Robyn's not "point-less" as often as you assert. Any feg worth his or >her salted spicy prawns could name you 2-5 songs per album (even more >perhaps, including non-album tracks from the same era) that are arguably >valid examples of "culturally relevant" pieces. Again, my previous point was as much about the QUALITY of these allegedly culturally relevant songs, as much as the QUANTITY. If Robyn writes a song which is three abstraction levels removed from a vague anti-consumerism song (or whatever), I say phooey. Ineffective. Precisely the type of distancing gambit which keeps him trapped as a behind-the-times cult artist with a dwindling fanbase. Also, any argument regarding unreleased tracks seems fairly futile. If Robyn deems well-crafted "culturally relevant" songs unworthy of release because he'd rather showcase songs about tendrils, then that's all the more condemning of his creative strategies. D'oh. >Finally, why should Robyn write songs about what *you're* interested in, >in the style *you* prefer? Seems a bit presumptuous, no? Aren't you >trying to fit round Robynpeg into the square Ebhole of music? Oh, please. Listen, Robyn can write songs however he likes. I am NOT attempting to impose my will on his songwriting goals. All I'm saying is: here's what I see as his shortcomings. Here's what makes ME rank RH below some other singer-songwriters whom I admire more. Am I crusading for him to CHANGE his style? Not at all. That's where YOU are being presumptious. If Robyn (or any other musician, for that matter) goes in a direction I don't like, I'm not going to whine and bawl about it for eternity -- I'll just shrug, and shift my musical priorities elsewhere. NO BIGGIE. You are PRESUMING here that, like you (?), I have so much emotional energy invested in Robyn that it desperately upsets me when he releases something I don't care for. Not the case. Do whatcha like, Robbie. Do whatcha like, Juliana Hatfield. Do whatcha like, REM. Whatever. I'll fixate elsewhere. How much time do I spend criticizing Robyn on this list? Not very much, considering what a Robyn-intensive context this is. What's my most frequent posting topic this year? Crowing about NMH and Rufus Wainwright, right? See? I dwell on the POSITIVE! To radically simplify: Since I view Hitchcock as a "B+ artist," I'll be perfectly content if he continues to release B+ albums. I'm not going to send him ferocious petitions if he fails to reach my A-/A level (which he HAS reached four or five times in the past, yes). >> ><>> >>contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;)> > >Because in spite of your spending so much time with us every day, you >still seem to think of yourself as an outsider. No, it's because I'm perceived by OTHERS as an outsider. Thus, anyone's statement about the "community" has to include a parenthetical disclaimer about the list's black sheep. ;) >np.: _Bringing it All Back Home_ {I know, I know, I'm late on this one}) Boy, I'll say! ;P Eveneb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 02:22:00 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: ob Soft Boys ref On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:54:32 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Susan writes, >> >>>I'm not "into s/m". I'm a pervert, - ---but are you an "Old Pervert"? :-) -luther ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:33:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: We. Snow. Yay. On 12/21/98 3:19 PM, Eb wrote: >Ignorant question: Why was Andrew Johnson impeached? I forgit. http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:34:18 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: sex etc someone asked why we don't just kill saddam hussein, to which i've got a flip and a serious answer which are actually the same: in order for him to be killed, he'd have to exist, and he doesn't. because the "saddam hussein" portrayed in the spin cycle is not an individual, it's a role: bete noir, scapegoat, public enemy #1. it exists to focus our attention elsewhere; i think there are good things about it and bad things, and some of the recent examples have been ludicrous, but make no mistake, this is no new thing: kruschev and castro and khomeini wpartook of the same xenophobic demonization. (hums new model army's "spirit of the falklands," for my taste one of the most artistically successful political songs ever) s&m, etc. i have a good friend who >does< bring it into the workplace. in some very startling places (think secure military facilities) he's whipped out little notebooks full of pictures of his girlfriend trussed up in assorted ways in very startling places (think four star restaurants). i've heard it alleged that one of his, er, client management successes was in no part do to his, er, asserting mastery over the client. he's a terifically bright guy, and i'm sure he knows that in many cases he is creating potential grounds for harrassment actions, if the wrong party sees some of his photos or overhears one of his more colorful stories. i've discussed his stock portfolio; he doesn't take risks for the joy of taking risks, and i don't think he is shocking people for the sake of shocking them. i could be wrong, but the conclusion i draw is that d&s is so deeply hardwired in his psyche that it's impossible for him to completely suppress it without significant conscious effort. (just to balance this: i'd known another friend for years and was more-or-less floored when someone else casually mentioned that said friend was actually teaching a safe flogging course. but i've since had a long discussion or two with him about how difficult it was for him to come to terms with his predispositions -- it can be a bit of a struggle for a feminist man, believe it or not. and why on earth couldn't there be genetic components that predispose one to certain types of relationship dynamics? feg-hood: according to eb, i'm not a feg either. and i suppose by posting volume i'm not a proper feg. cripes, perhaps i don't even exist! i'm glad eb like _city of lost children_, though. it's such a rare treat to see a children's film that actually troubles to have a _story_. just for j katherine: right you are, but i saw no reason to wait. i got it on import from merrie olde englande via action records. and dar dull? good heavens. have you only heard the new one, or did you find _honesty room_ lackluster? last: On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Bayard Catron wrote: > To me, this is like saying "Dylan writes some good songs,and can put a > good band together, but I wish his voice and harmonica playing didn't suck > so bad. He's not that great a guitar player either." To focus on the i think i may have even said that in print. ;-> ;-> - -- d. one end of the device broken off. january 14th, not 11th. soiled. sink clogged. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:40:45 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: [none] A twofold message... 1) condiments of the seasons to you, whether you be suffering the strain of Christmas, Hanukkah, 'Id al fitr, Midsummer (or Midwinter) solstice, Hogmanay, Twelfth night, Cuban liberation day, Kwanzaa, or World trivia day (Jan 4th). All the best for it and many more of them. 2) due to a glitch on the disk I carry my email around on, I have lost a lot of mail that has been sent to me in the last couple of months. If you're waiting for a reply from me to mail sent between late October and last Friday, and your name is not Bibi, Bayard, Cheri, Edward, James, Jude, Lynelle, Rhys or Will, can you please tell me who and what I should be replying to? James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:41:01 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: the last few digests (hold on tight!) I am stunned. I write an anti-US government diatribe and don my asbestos coat. And what do I get? The email equivalent of people coming up to me in the street and shaking my hand! >ps. do fans of claudine longet have a communal nickname? Longerie? >We. Snow. I'm stuck in frigging Peoria ...with the Urbana blues again. Here, it is raining. It has rained twice this month. Last time it was for over two weeks. Dunedin now has the dubious honour of having had two cricket tests completely rained off ( an honour shared only with Manchester). And for the last eight months we've had a drought, too. >My brothers have traveled abroad with Canadian maple leaf t-shirts- just in >case. One of them can be terribly irritating, so if I were Canadian, I >would >not be happy about this. if he could do the accent, make him wear an Aussie shirt. Everyone would accept his irritating nature as perfectly natural ;) Useless information time: >So more power to Susan -- let her fight for S/M, I'll give money to NORML. who, in New Zealand's last general election, received 1.4% of the vote! (or more precisely, the Aotearoa legalise cannabis party, but they are a close affiliate of NORML) >>okay, i've slept on it, and here are my favorite non-robyn records of >>the '90's: writing a 'best of 1998' list two weeks before the end of the year I can understand, but doing a 'best of '1990s' list one whole year short of the end of the 90s??? In previous decades you would have missed such gems as : Abbey Road (1969) and London Calling (1979)[1], to name but two... Eb writes: >As a matter of fact, >I was asserting my non-Fegdom to Susan quite recently, in private. after recent posts to this list, I feel strangely compelled to send off a witty riposte to this. I shall attempt to restrain myself (no, let me rephrase that...). Seriously, my feelings on the whole business echo those of Andy Partridge in the XTC song "Garden of earthly delight". - basically do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt anyone (unless of course they ask you to). There ain't nothing like, erm, "The agony of pleasure". There ain't nothing wrong with s/m and b/d, but it must be done safely. If what susan's doing is helping people understand that it's okay, ordinary everyday people do it[2], but it needs to be done safely, then I'm all in favour of it James (remember, the 'break-word' is "Pax"...) [1] yes, I realise that only came out in 1980 in the states... [2] not that I'm suggesting Susan is ordinary or everyday... if Susan was yer average person, then the world would be a much better place, I am sure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:57:19 -0600 From: Charles Gillett Subject: Belated, Inflated It seems most of the list-making has already happened, and I'm not sure *I* even care what I think are the top ten anythings, but here I go anyway. Live shows: 1. Derek Bailey & Susie Ibarra, 6/28 at Tonic in NYC. 2. Ned Rothenberg, 10/17 at Kerrytown Concert House in Ann Arbor, MI. 3. Masada, 11/7 at Northwest Community Service Center in Portland, OR. 4. Myra Melford's Same River, Twice/Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio at the Walker Art Center, Mpls, MN; 12/5 and 12/6, but I give the edge to 12/6. 5. Duck Baker, 1/17 at Sundin Hall/Hamline Univ. in St. Paul, MN. 6. Fugazi, 11/15 at First Avenue in Mpls, MN. 7. Pink Noise Saxophone Quartet, 10/16 at Argiero's in Ann Arbor, MI. Etc. Lounge Lizards 9/21, Flaming Lips Experiment 4/20, David S. Ware Quartet 10/24, Erik Friedlander's Topaz 6/27, Joey Baron's Down Home Band 8/7, lots of local stuff and probably some things I'm forgetting. New and Reissued albums: 1. Albert Ayler - Live in Greenwich Village (r) 2. Dave Douglas - Charms of the Night Sky (n) 3. Bob Dylan - Bootleg Series Vol.4: Live 1966 (r-ish) 4. Gianni Gebbia - H Portraits (n) 5. Christian Wolff - I Like To Think of Harriet Tubman (n-ish) 6. Nuggets (r) 7. Dock Boggs - His Folkways Years (r) Etc. John Fahey - Death Chants, Breakdowns and Military Marches (r) Beck - Mutations (n) Jimmy Giuffre - Free Fall (r) John Zorn's Masada - Tet, Yod(n) Josh White - Free & Equal Blues (r) Autechre - s/t 5th (n) MJ Harris/Martyn Bates - Murder Ballads Complete Collection (r&n) Momus - The Little Red Songbook (n) Francois Houle 5 - In The Vernacular (n) Gastr del Sol - Camoufleur (n) Masada String Trio/Bar Kokhba Sextet - The Circle Maker (n) Dylan Hicks - Poughkeepsie (n) I like all of these "etc." albums, but not strongly enough to rate them for whatever reasons (a few bum tunes on the Momus, the fact that Masadas Tet and Yod are good but not necessarily better or different than Alef through Het). Some of these are still in the process of being heard properly (Free Fall, Autechre). Disappointments/Lousy/Boring: Bettie Serveert - Venus In Furs (l) Peter Blegvad - Hangman's Hill (d) Dave Douglas - Moving Portrait (d/b) Arto Lindsay - Noon Chill (d) Andy Statman - The Hidden Light (b) Sato Michihiro/John Zorn - Ganryu Island (d) Secret Chiefs 3 - Hurqalya (l/b) ugh. Ugh. Regarding BDSM etc., I'm all for whatever anyone said here except that I object to the usage of the term "pervert," but only because it's too general. Everyone from pedophiles to podophiles is a pervert, and I wouldn't want to be lumped together with all perverts. Also, I object to the reference to pussy/dick, as the proper terms are cunt/cock (or c*nt/c*ck, for the more delicate amongst us). On that charming note.... - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 03:25:20 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: cale On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:53:28 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:05:38 EST >From: Tobyhello@aol.com >Subject: Ex - Velvets (no RH) > >2 questions: > >1) John Cale's playing near me next month - is he worth seeing, or just a bit >of an embarassment? GO see him! He is actually, in my opinion, better than Lou these days. John Cale Still SINGS, as opposed to that talking stuff Lou does now. Do you have any of Cales albums? If not, start with "the Island Years". -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 03:32:59 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: gov't? On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:28:34 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > The idea being yet another product of the germinal >status of the idea of representative government in our founding fathers' heads. >They wanted the government to be representative, but not too representative >because they didn't actually trust people. Can you blame them? :-) The same people that made Celine Dion a top concert draw are also voting for Congress...just remember that there are more of "them" than "us" (whatever those phrases mean.) - -luther ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:18:41 From: "she.rex" Subject: An Introduction Hi Fegs! I have been lurking for a while but now seems a good time to jump into the confusion and introduce myself. I am 32, married ten years to a wonderful man and have two cats (that's enough children for me, thank you). We live in south Florida, USA. One of my favorite musical artists is Robyn Hitchcock and my favorite actor is Tim Curry (who has a voice to die for, btw - too bad he doesn't make music at the moment). Another fave pastime is reading. (Robyn and Tim have both made noises about novels - wish they'd hurry up and crank them out - would love to read these!) Just have to remember what RH means here as opposed to what it does on the TC list! (TC fans call themselves Timbos, in case you're interested.) I've been enjoying getting to know you all through your posts (which are very articulate by and large and quite entertaining, too) and am already beginning to feel like a Feg (as in part of this little community, not just a RH lover). Man you guys are prolific! (Do you live on your computers? My husband thinks I do, so I must be in good company.:-)) Just keeping up with the reading is hard enough. By the time I sort my ideas out into something postable, the thread is past! But I am attempting to split them up by subject and post anyway, so be warned! Glad to be here, She.Rex p.s. What is the meaning of _jangly_? Minor rant: I am marginally suicidal at the moment because my first posts were just lost in cyberspace (in my own computer through my own stupidity) and I only spent like two hours on them. ARRGGGHHHH! OK - calm - calm. All right... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:19:41 From: "she.rex" Subject: Music On the subject of music: I discovered Robyn on 120 Miniutes on MTV, which I used to watch religiously every Sun night from about 1984-1998. In fact, many of my favorite groups were found here, as this was my 2nd musical awakening. The first was of my parents' music when I was like 10. Anyway, I saw the video for Raymond Chandler Evening and was immediately hooked, not by the lovely surreal music, but by the chilling ending (ooh, yes - do it to me again!). I bought Element of Light, then some more LP's (spent most of my dough on vinyl those days) of RH and of Soft Boys. His "here's my own weird little universe" approach is exactly what draws me. I don't find social commentary entertaining for long - it gets preachy and boring too quickly. (Not that it's bad to have something to say in an amusing way - this is good. There's just a fine line there that most people don't know how to stay this side of.) Suffice it to say I love Robyn's stories and quirky songs best. This is also why I like They Might Be Giants and Cake. (I Will Survive was one of the very best things about Fashion Nugget. A word about covers: These are best when a group puts their own spin on them and makes the songs decidedly _theirs_. Like it would be great even if no one had ever heard of the original. This is also what Violent Femmes did with Children Of the Revolution - more below. Straight remakes are usually pretty sad if you *have* heard the other one first.) REM is another favorite group of mine - cool that they cite RH as one of their influences! I first saw them on Rock Influences, the one with the Byrds. Here was a whole new sound for me and I made a pilgrimage to the local music superstore and bought Life's Rich Pageant. Capuchin, you're right - they have made many great albums but this was their best. Other discoveries of the time were Hoodoo Gurus (no, Joel, no one here knew who they were either, but that didn't stop me playing Mars Needs Guitars to everyone that had to ride in my car!) and the pretty-boy alternative groups with the lush/gorgeous sound like The Cure and Gene Loves Jezebel. Even when they were shallow, they were new and different and it was all wonderful. A lot of the new alternative bands bore me because they are but poor imitations of these earlier ones. Like Violent Femmes, for instance. I found them in a record store when I spotted the 12 inch of Children of the Revolution. I collected T.Rex (several LP's were just beginning to be re-released and imported to the states - Marc Bolan was quirky, too) and was thrilled to see a cover, by a domestic band, no less, when except for Get It On no one seemed to know anything about T.Rex. Eb, I can't see how you could think they have no heart! What about Confessions? Gano's cracked voice singing _I'm so lonely, feel like I'm gonna crawl away and die_ He's the epitome of misery. If you've never felt this way, you're excused. But if you have, this expression - the whole effect - is wonderful. You see the progression from unhappy young people as individuals to angry mobs. This is social commentary without judgements - just a look at how people can be callous in groups while being vulnerable alone. Add the quirky time signatures/ guitar work - if you ask me VF is about more than just cynicism and angst. (Not to attack you or anything, Eveneb. I like you. In fact, I'll even put in a good word for you with the Bee Queen. Or Madonna of the Wasps. Or someone really big in the entomological world. Never fear.) Great music is timeless. And no one should influence anyone else by stating what they *should* listen to based on what's in or out or cool or uncool. Or old or new. That said, I am definitely going to check out Wild Man Fischer. And a lot of your top 10 picks and classical music recommendations (what wonderful posts this thread gave rise to!). And the music of the fegs themselves. This list is a wonderful thing if only because we can all turn each other on to new (to us) things. This is already way too long, so other equally worthless opinions on the subject will have to wait. Thanks for listening. Or not. She.Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:53:07 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Unpleasantness In a message dated 12/21/98 2:21:43 PM, you wrote: <> Well, I don't think that one's impulse to do away with Saddam is necessarily the start of a slippery slide toward a general disregard for human life. If we *did* take out Saddam, would that really be justification for someone to pull a gun out of the glove compartment and blow annoying drivers off the highway? No. Would some crazy sonsabitches *use* that as justification for blowing away their fellow motorists? Probably. But these same people probably garber such justification from watching that new show where there's some cop who goes around kicking people all the time . . . "Martial Law"! That's it, yeah. The existence of that TV show is essentially meaningless. The assassination of Saddam would at least have some meaning. Do I think we *should* kill him? I don't know. Maybe. I don't think there are very many people who have enough information or perspective to make an informed decision. We probably inaccurately portray him in some ways and have our own nefarious agendas. Then again, he may well truly be one of the great lunatic leaders of modern times, and a bullet to the brain might do the world some good. In most ways, the whole thing seems to abstract to me -- just a part of our video culture. Thank god, I guess! I wouldn't want it as unabstract as to have a war in our own backyard! Anyway, I've really gone off here. I just wanted to say that I don't see this whole thing as being black and white. Then again, I never see anything as being black and white. - -----Michael "Gray Area" K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:27:40 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Catron Subject: Re: Feb Egg Over Easy I bayed: (Remember, the other frogs are asleep up here, it's just me and the dog) > >Robyn writes a lot of songs about the "real" world. > >He often does so using what Nabokov might call "dream logic", which you > >might feel obfuscates the whole point of writing "on topic" songs, but > >Robyn's not "point-less" as often as you assert. Any feg worth his or > >her salted spicy prawns could name you 2-5 songs per album (even more > >perhaps, including non-album tracks from the same era) that are arguably > >valid examples of "culturally relevant" pieces. > > Again, my previous point was as much about the QUALITY of these allegedly > culturally relevant songs, as much as the QUANTITY. Heard ja the first time. And as I said, it's pointless to debate opinions on aesthetics. But if my assertion about 2-5 songs per album (approximately 20-50%) is correct, and I note that you did not rebut it, (if you do, you could force eddie and me to post long lists of so-called "Exceptions", and none of us want that!) then that's an awful lot of failed songs... probably too many to keep that B+ status (with the additional faults of sameyness, overall lack of good-annoyingness, etc.) > If Robyn writes a song > which is three abstraction levels removed from a vague anti-consumerism > song (or whatever), I say phooey. Ineffective. If you're talking about Balloon Man here, we both interpreted the song the same way, and it wasn't so abstract and vague after all, now was it? And if you're not - uh- just what ARE you talking about? Did you just make this example up? Precisely the type of > distancing gambit which keeps him trapped as a behind-the-times cult artist > with a dwindling fanbase. Now you've REALLY gone off the deep end! Don't you think it has something to do with RH's labels not doing anything to promote him, or his lack of radio airplay, or the fact that his music has always appealed to a specific kind of person? Or are you contending that these are due to his lyrics being too hard to understand? What I *like* about Robyn's stuff is the timelessness of the lyrical themes - and the music too, aside from the synthy stuff, it has the solid qualities of his influences, bands many people still listen to today and probably will for a long time. > Also, any argument regarding unreleased tracks seems fairly futile. If > Robyn deems well-crafted "culturally relevant" songs unworthy of release > because he'd rather showcase songs about tendrils, then that's all the more > condemning of his creative strategies. D'oh. D'oh indeed! Before our very eyes, you have just metamorphosed into the very epitome of the sort of critic who has always plagued RH - the kind who can't see the forest for the tendrils. Oh - and I really meant B sides more than complete "unreleases". Stuff like the ruling class and legalised murder. The latter is not his best work, but it jumped to mind as topical. (BTW, do musicians always get complete say over which tracks make it on an album? If not, his more lyrically dense 'culturally relevant' songs could be passed over b/c the label didn't understand them.) > >Finally, why should Robyn write songs about what *you're* interested in, > >in the style *you* prefer? Seems a bit presumptuous, no? Aren't you > >trying to fit round Robynpeg into the square Ebhole of music? > > Oh, please. Listen, Robyn can write songs however he likes. I am NOT > attempting to impose my will on his songwriting goals. All I'm saying is: > here's what I see as his shortcomings. Here's what makes ME rank RH below > some other singer-songwriters whom I admire more. Am I crusading for him to > CHANGE his style? Not at all. That's where YOU are being presumptious. Nooo... no, *this* is where YOU are being pre-sumptuous (just before eating an expensive meal.) :-) I didn't assume that at all. I'll try and explain in a future missive, unless this becomes another Eb-Debate-Turned-Ugliness-Contest, in which case I'll probably just quit. > like, I'm not going to whine and bawl about it for eternity -- I'll just > shrug, and shift my musical priorities elsewhere. NO BIGGIE. You are > PRESUMING here that, like you (?), I have so much emotional energy invested > in Robyn that it desperately upsets me when he releases something I don't > care for. Not the case. Do whatcha like, Robbie. Do whatcha like, Juliana > Hatfield. Do whatcha like, REM. Whatever. I'll fixate elsewhere. 1. Again, no, I'm not presuming that. It's absurd. 2. Actually, I'm completely unfazed (if a bit disappointed) when robyn releases something I don't like - and it's happened more times than you would probably presume. 3. The words "shrug" and "fixate" are just begging me to put them in a joke about you, but I'm resisting. If I offer you the olive branch, will you bonk me on the head with it? 4. Good thing you put that (?) in there - otherwise your assessment of my emotional energy output could have been presumptuous! (-; How much > time do I spend criticizing Robyn on this list? Not very much, considering > what a Robyn-intensive context this is. Well sheesh Eb, how many times have you even MENTIONED Robyn? Half a dozen? The sample size is statistically insignificant! And I'll have you know this context is a lot less Robyn-intensive than it used to be, which is ok, except that we've lost some good people (Tracy, Susan Even, etc.) What's my most frequent posting > topic this year? Crowing about NMH and Rufus Wainwright, right? See? I > dwell on the POSITIVE! I'd like to respond to this, but I can't seem to express what I'm feeling about this remark. > To radically simplify: Since I view Hitchcock as a "B+ artist," I'll be > perfectly content if he continues to release B+ albums. Well, that's good... I guess.... > >> ><> >> >>contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;)> > > > >Because in spite of your spending so much time with us every day, you > >still seem to think of yourself as an outsider. > > No, it's because I'm perceived by OTHERS as an outsider. Thus, anyone's > statement about the "community" has to include a parenthetical disclaimer > about the list's black sheep. ;) I couldn't help but notice that you ignored (or completely misunderstood) Eddie's attempt to welcome you into the "fold". I still think "Even Eb" is a response to the distance you maintain between yourself and the fegs (perhaps unintentionally?) *You* put yourself in those parentheses every time you lash out at someone, or claim you're not a feg when the definition is not clear (remember, it also, and probably most importantly, means a member of this list.) > >np.: _Bringing it All Back Home_ {I know, I know, I'm late on this one}) > > Boy, I'll say! ;P > > Eveneb > > Can you say "cheap shot", boys and girls? I knew you could! Jesus, Evb, (evb??) I'm on VACATION! I don't want to fight with you even when I'm at work! Good god man, aren't the politics and sex enough? Play nice! (*: =Kermie ps. I actually inherited my Dad's original vinyl of this Dylan masterwork, but was too young to appreciate it at the time. Like you care. Oh, and Dad was at the first show in '65 (65, right?) when Dylan went electric. An historic moment! np: _English Settlement_ (it's an XTC marathon weekend, ALL WEEK LONG! hi Ross, JH3, gNat, etc) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #479 *******************************