From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #474 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 07 : Number 474 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [Christoph] more folkish stuff ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] bleccch [Eb ] Re: Politicks ["D B" ] Re: bleccch [Joel Mullins ] Re: Politicks [Eb ] People who live in bark houses .... [overbury@mustang.cn.ca] Top 4 list? [Ken Sabatini ] Re: Politicks [dmw ] misc [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Top 4 list? [Zloduska ] Re: Top 4 list? [Joel Mullins ] Re: iraq and rolling ahead with the inanity of us foreign policy [Terrenc] RH on the Rolling Stone '98 albums list [dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel S] Re: PolitiX [Zloduska ] Re: Re: PolitiX [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Re: AllStar consensus [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: RH on the Rolling Stone '98 albums list ["Daniel Saunders" ] courtney defense [dmw ] The Whistle test pics. [dlang ] Re: Re: PolitiX [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [The Great] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > of > us are bomb-throwing anarchists. Compared to Eddie Tews, most of us are > drooling Rush Limbaugh fans.> > > don't think i can agree with this. apart from vivien and michael; > rosso, miles, bayard, danielle, susie, james, commander lang, randi, > lobstie, "red' natalie, glostie seem to be at least as far left as > myself. [snip] > see, i think it's just that > i'm more of a dick than most people, and simply have to rub it in your > faces at every opportunity. Really? They're *as far* to the left as you? That's really NOT the impression I get. But maybe I've gotten a false impression of your views. I always saw you as the "market economies suck, abolish private property in the means of production, a violent revolution wouldn't be so bad, the US caused every evil in the world from war to poverty to crabgrass" sort. Was I wrong? Or was I right, and I'm wrong to think that all those other Fegs think differently? > also --and yes, i've told this story WAY too many times-- i heard robyn > stating on a radio show that he is, "pretty strong socialist," and i > asked him about it before a gig in june of '97, and he concurred that he > is indeed such. I was already sure that Robyn is well to the left of me, and I'm comfortable with that. However, the word "socialism" can be slippery. If you call yourself a socialist, is it because you support socialist *goals* or socialist *policies*? I'm all in favor of socialist goals -- reducing poverty, eliminiating class distinctions, fighting racism, promoting community spirit, etc. But a lot of traditional socialist policies -- ranging from massive social spending to violent revolution, expropriation of the rich, nationalization of industry, and a centrally planned economy (and I know not all socialists advocated all of these policies) -- strike me as ineffective, counterproductive, or just plain silly. And I'm afraid that a lot of people fall in love with socialist goals and then unthinkingly accept the worst of socialist policies, simply because they are labelled "socialist;" then they waste the rest of their lives peddling Marxist snake oil under the impression that they're helping humanity. So all you socialists out there -- what exactly do you mean by calling yourselves socialists? (Take as much time as necessary; write on only one side of each page; if your pencil breaks raise your hand and the proctor will bring you a new one.) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:15:24 -0800 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: more folkish stuff >From: dmw >> Susan Werner, TIME BETWEEN TRAINS > >not only have i heard of ms. werner (and mr. paul, for that matter) but >this might have made my year end list if i weren't so disappointed that >she didn't record "bad at love" for it. Sorry for underestimating you. :> "Time Between Trains" was my first exposure to SW--bought because of a recommendation from woj--and I don't know "Bad at Love". (But I did buy her other three albums about a week after TBT.) >- -- d., wondering if katherine has heard the recent lynn miles recording, >or _cry cry cry_ (kaplansky, shindell, williams) I thought the new Lynn Miles wasn't available in the States until January? I'm planning to buy it but haven't heard it yet (except the bits she performed on West Coast Live a couple of months ago). No plans for "Cry Cry Cry", even if it does contain the first James Keelaghan song I loved; in my admittedly limited experience of the singers, Lucy Kaplansky was a complete turn-off, and Dar Williams just boring. (Richard Shindell is OK.) Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:29:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: bleccch >Elton John, Eric Clapton, Dave Matthews Among 1998 Top >Touring Acts > >For the first time in his illustrious career, Elton >John has catapulted to the No. 1 grossing act of the >year, pulling in $40.7 million from 54 reported shows >and drawing 893,820 fans, according to concert >statistics compiled by Performance magazine, a >concert touring trade. > >The remaining top 10 grossing acts are: Yanni ($40.6 >million, 101 shows), Eric Clapton ($34.4 million, 43 >shows), Garth Brooks ($33.9 million, 98 shows), Janet >Jackson ($32.3 million, 60 shows), George Strait's >Country Music Festival ($32.9 million, 18 shows), Dave >Matthews Band ($31.3 million, 61 shows), Celine Dion >($29.5 million, 29 shows), Shania Twain ($29.2 million, >67 shows), and Aerosmith (28.1 million, 69 shows). I fear for this world.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:44:51 PST From: "D B" Subject: Re: Politicks >Ah, another inept newbie for Eb to rip into. im not a newbie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:04:28 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: bleccch Eb wrote: > > >Elton John, Eric Clapton, Dave Matthews Among 1998 Top > >Touring Acts > > > >For the first time in his illustrious career, Elton > >John has catapulted to the No. 1 grossing act of the > >year, pulling in $40.7 million from 54 reported shows > >and drawing 893,820 fans, according to concert > >statistics compiled by Performance magazine, a > >concert touring trade. > > > >The remaining top 10 grossing acts are: Yanni ($40.6 > >million, 101 shows), Eric Clapton ($34.4 million, 43 > >shows), Garth Brooks ($33.9 million, 98 shows), Janet > >Jackson ($32.3 million, 60 shows), George Strait's > >Country Music Festival ($32.9 million, 18 shows), Dave > >Matthews Band ($31.3 million, 61 shows), Celine Dion > >($29.5 million, 29 shows), Shania Twain ($29.2 million, > >67 shows), and Aerosmith (28.1 million, 69 shows). > > I fear for this world.... I agree with you Eb. I wouldn't pay to see any of those people. And you couldn't drag me to most of the shows. Yanni? Celine Dion? What the fuck is wrong with people? - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:18:25 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Politicks >>Ah, another inept newbie for Eb to rip into. > >im not a newbie just inept comma then question mark eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:08:02 +0000 From: overbury@mustang.cn.ca Subject: People who live in bark houses .... > I'm not > going to sit here and go on about how horrible a person I am because I live > in the US and how ignorant I must definitely be and how you're really > right, all Americans are stupid illiterate fire-breathing racist > war-mongers, unlike Canadians and Europeans, who are TO A MAN gentle, > unselfish, and tolerant. Thanks, Susan! Hey wait a minute ... you were being sarcastic, were you? Perhaps you're a teensy bit jealous that Santa's a Canadian? I'm listening to this Tracy Chapman recording on friday. A friend at work is using a soundcard and software to digitize and clean up his old LPs. In one song she goes on about the system as being the "white man's" way of keeping her fellows in slavery (as in when blacks buy into the middle class lifestyle). People from smaller countries often rant about the atrocities committed by the larger ones. Some feminists hold that it's *men* who wage war. That's just a bit too easy, don't you think? As this lump of meat sees it, the empowered are strongly tempted to abuse that power in their own interests at the cost interest of others. It doesn't matter who in particular holds the power. I don't feel like the system that's eating me alive is "mine", even though I'm a white middle class male. I'm of the opinion that if Canada had the military power of the US, our military would behave in a similar fashion. How did we gentle Canadians treat those Somalians? Where's the military superpower with the pacifist philosophy? Call me lazy, but I don't feel like working on elaborations of the basic idea. If you don't get me by now, I wouldn't be able to convince you anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Sabatini Subject: Top 4 list? start. Yeah I've got 15 days of digests that are unreviewed. And I'll have another bunch to scan over when I get back from a little vacation to San Diego. Who cares? I don't know, but I just wanted to wish you all a happy holidays. Well not all of you--just the folks I like. So that would be all three of you. ;) Happy holidays! Its still 1998, so I can't yet give my top 10 list, but I can tell you that it will surely include: the Belle and Sebastian disc ("Boy with the ... "), the Spinanes' "ARches and Aisles", Elliot Smith "xo" and The Church's "Hologram of Baal". I never would have guessed that The Church had a record like this left in them, particularly after their Magicians Among the Spirits disc. But lo and behold, here is a beautiful record. Its warmly produced, wonderfully flowing, and Steve's vocals have never sounded better. Yeah such descriptions are subjective and vague as heck, but trust me, this is one great Church record. The songs sound like they really meant something to them. One reason it may not show up in many top ten lists is because of its fairly limited distribution, btw. Movies?: I'd have to include the movie Pi (that is, the movie who's title is the symbol for Pi the number--3.14159...) among my top movies of the year. The premise being that numbers underlie all processes and if one can identify the numerical patterns then one can predict the stock market perfectly, understand the Bible as it was intended, etc. Well that's not exactly the premise, but that's a portion of it. See it if you can find it. Bye bye, Ken *who thinks Pup Tent is a high point for Luna* End. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Politicks On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Eb wrote: > >>Ah, another inept newbie for Eb to rip into. > > > >im not a newbie > > just inept comma then question mark > > eb that was just too easy, wasn't it? - -- carpal boy - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:28:37 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: misc On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:43:18 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >be honest, I think Barry Levinson is one of the most overrated directors >around. So "Rain Man" was a good movie, but what about "Sphere," "Toys," >and "Wag the Dog?" I mean, he doesn't suck, but he's no Sam Raimi.> Why do I have this strange feeling a good number of us on this list can recite the dialogue to "Armies of Darkness?" I've noticed "Repo Man" on the top of a lot of peoples lists too...great flick! - - luther (who actually works for one of those pinko left wing enviro orgs :-)) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:17:51 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: Top 4 list? Ken wrote: \ >and The Church's "Hologram of Baal". > >I never would have guessed that The Church had a record like >this left in them, particularly after their Magicians Among the Spirits >disc. But lo and behold, here is a beautiful record. Its warmly produced, >wonderfully flowing, and Steve's vocals have never sounded better. Yeah >such descriptions are subjective and vague as heck, but trust me, this is >one great Church record. The songs sound like they really meant something >to them. One reason it may not show up in many top ten lists is because of >its fairly limited distribution, btw. It's about time someone else on this list openly agreed with me?! ;-) I also think it's a GREAT folllow-up to MAtS. Still very groovy and "churchy". ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:15:48 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Top 4 list? > Ken *who thinks Pup Tent is a high point for Luna* Yes, amen! Pup Tent is a great album, probably Luna's best. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: iraq and rolling ahead with the inanity of us foreign policy On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, S Dwarf wrote: Way I see it, it's like this. Saddam Hussein is rather high on the list of people who shouldn't be allowed to possess weapons of mass destruction. He's been generally belligerent and oppressive in the recent past.[1] If these strikes will prevent or delay Iraq's possession and/or use of weapons of mass destruction, this is a good thing. There's no evidence that the US isn't doing its best to degrade Iraq's capability to produce such, nor have I seen any better suggestions to do so. Given the general instability of the mideast (and given the fact that Israel is a nuclear power who will respond in kind if attacked; I've heard that the US is the only thing that kept a significant portion of Iraq from being transformed into glass when they missiled Israel during the Gulf War.), while the death of Iraqi civilians is regrettable, it's the better alternative to a full-scale conflict using biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. (Sanctions haven't worked thus far, and Saddam's been monkeying around with inspectors for years, and I'm of the firm belief that nuclear weapons inspections are not the sort of thing we should let people monkey around with.) Essentially, whether we're there because of the impeachment trial or economic motives or for because we like being the biggest kid on the block or because we'd rather have some sort of peace in that region, we ought to be there. And the timing? Well, maybe it's suspect, but Clinton would have to be an idiot to do something like this out of sheerly political motives, because everyone over age 8 in this country is saying 'Boy, that timing sure is suspect'. Ane everyone over age 8 knows that, while the impeachment hearings might stop if we invaded Canada, Clinton, at best, bought himself a few days. (and the mispronunciation of 'Saddam' is, the way I heard it, based on a delibarate move by Geo. Bush; Bush's pronunciation translates as 'Shoeshine boy' instead of 'exalted leader' [or similar]. It's the rough equivalent of some foreign leader referring to our last president as Garage Bush.) 1: Whether the US should possess weaponsof mass destruction is presently irrelevant, because no-one is about to take them away from us. And the belligerence and oppression of the US are generally in the distant past; those committed within the last 50 or so years do not compare to, say, the Iran-Iraq war or the persecution of the Kurds. (and as far as socialism goes, I'm more inclined to agree with "Meet John Doe" than with "Eat the State") > well, we amuurrrrricans demand that our polices, both foreign and > domestic be tough at all costs, even if they are stupid as hell with > no chance of accomplishing anything whatsoever. which is why we end up > helping people like Saddam Hussein (anyone catch a tv head pronouncing > his name correctly yet btw?) or the bin Laden guy rise to power in the > 80's (cuz they're "anti-communist*," nevermind they're just as bad or > worse ultimately) and then such things come back to bite us in the > ass. nevermind that the bombings aren't going change anything that > Saddam Hussein does, and in fact along with the sanctions probably are > making it even more difficult for the majority of Iraqis[sp] who would > no doubt love to overthrow the swine. we must look tough. even if it > means blowing our own metaphorical balls off. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:45:04 -0800 From: dsaunder@islandnet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: RH on the Rolling Stone '98 albums list I don't know if anyone noticed, but Storefront Hitchcock was listed among the fifty or so albums cited as "Music that matters" by Rolling Stone magazine. They give it quite a bit of space - two or three inches - - and a picture; a pretty standard review, but they do advise people to also seek out the LP. - -- Daniel Saunders "The red sea walls stood like a canyon. The pharaoh pulls up in his wagon, He saw within those walls of glass A herd of whales go racing past, A hundred thousand fishy tales Crossed his mind about the day... CHARLTON HESTON PUT HIS VEST ON!" - Charlton Heston, Stump (Who else has had this song going through their heads since Prince of Egypt opened?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:00:15 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: PolitiX Chris G. wrote: >without hope of success. Killing is not always the worst alternative in >all situations [more below]; but *pointless* killing always is. >Come on!" But cynical/depraved/evil as you may think what I'm about to >say, killing people is *not* always the worst alternative available. What's worse than death, may I ask??? *confused* For all the reasons of bombing another country, whether it is "right" or not, you still cannot bring back someone's dead loved ones. Unless you're off the view that anyone non-American is not human, and there are those who believe that. (I'm not saying do you; I don't think you do. It's just an example.) >On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Zloduska wrote: >> ps: And if you really want to know what I think about what should be >>done >> in Iraq, it's this: I think we should make all the Gulf War soldiers >>eat >> nothing but squid to make them impotent. > >Hey! That does NOT make one impotent. Um, have you ever eaten nothing but squid before? If so, then you are a very strange fellow indeed... ;-) ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:32:39 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: PolitiX In a message dated 12/19/98 10:02:49 PM, you wrote: <<>without hope of success. Killing is not always the worst alternative in >all situations [more below]; but *pointless* killing always is. >Come on!" But cynical/depraved/evil as you may think what I'm about to >say, killing people is *not* always the worst alternative available. What's worse than death, may I ask??? *confused*>> Well, some would say that suffering is worse than death. But "dying" isn't the same as "killing." I'm not a big proponent of killing, although I'd be pretty happy is Saddam got wiped off the face of the earth. But maybe killing *some* innocent Iraqis is the lesser of two evils . . . the other being a scenario in which Saddam decides to just fuckin' go for it and pull some David-slays-Goliath action on our collective asses, thereby unleashing one or more of these weapons of mass destruction in our general direction. Or maybe that's just Reagan-era Cold War Era indoctrined fear talking? I don't know. Maybe it's more likely that killing a few dozen Iraqis will keep a couple hundred thousand neighboring Middle Easterners from getting toasted by Saddam. I, too, am somewhat undecided about how I feel about the bombing. I guess it depends on what comes of it. Obviously, a lengthy and pointless "conflict" where thousands of people die would be terrible. A surgical strike smack on Saddam's forehead might be cool, depending upon who came into power after him. I'm in "wait and see" mode here. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:43:43 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: AllStar consensus In a message dated 12/19/98 2:18:40 PM, Marcy wrote: <> I don't know! And her latest album doesn't even have the angst of her early 90's stuff. It's just obvious, post-grunge alterno-pop. Boring. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" Subject: Re: RH on the Rolling Stone '98 albums list > Which issue of RS was that? Who/what's on the cover? I'd like to hceck out > that list. Thanks! It's the winter issue. Jewel's on the cover. Daniel Saunders ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:00:49 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: AllStar consensus In a message dated 12/19/98 10:49:16 PM, you wrote: <<><how anyone could enjoy listening to Hole. She can't hold a tune or carry a >melody or anything. What gives?>> > > I don't know! And her latest album doesn't even have the angst of her >early 90's stuff. It's just obvious, post-grunge alterno-pop. Boring. Jeez...what could be more obvious and boring than "angst"?>> Yeah, sure, but at least it's *something.* I can see how one could easily find the Hole album listenable and non-objectionable and even catchy in one or two places, but there's nothing special or enduring about it. In five years, I think very few people will still consider it one of their favorite 10 CDs that came out in '98. In fact, most people will have sold it back to the used stores, just like all the other Hole albums. That's my p[rediction. - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:29:59 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist >Was I wrong? Or was I right, and I'm wrong to think that all those other >Fegs think differently? Well, not wrong exactly...but you know Eddie does use a fucking lot of hyperbole :). >all you socialists out there -- what exactly do you mean by calling >yourselves socialists? (Take as much time as necessary; write on only one I don't call myself a socialist, so I'll skip the essay. In some ways I am as left as Eddie, in some probably more radical (I don't see Eddie trying to advocate for s/m education/rights), in other ways not at all. I'm still, generally speaking, probably way farther left than John Q. Public. Until senior year of high school, I didn't realize that I was a "left" person at all or that I leaned any which way. I just thought I was a reasonable person. As in, "all reasonable people would understand that homosexuality isn't something you consciously choose" and "all reasonable people would leave abortion choice up to the woman in question". Apparently it's more complicated than that, and people have different definitions of reasonable. Who knew? ;) Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:49:05 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Who Hates Love? Has anyone seen the latest video by that sexy horror queen Jennifer Love Hewitt? Who the fuck does she think she's kidding? (Probably all the idiots out there who can't think for themselves.) This is a prime example of why I'm so cynical about the recording industry. Anyone with sex appeal can get a video on MTV. You don't have to be able to sing! Love Hewitt can sing, and she's definitely sexy, but Jesus Christ, it is so obvious that someone is just trying to capitalize on her movie fame by getting her to sing this song that sounds just like every Alanis/Fiona/lady-grunge/nappy-hair shit song that I see on MTV!!! Apparently, no one gives a damn about originality anymore. Well, I guess a few of us do. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:03:05 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: courtney defense i hain't made up my mind about the new one yet -- as with the new liz phair, the slick, compressed sound of the record is interfering with my ability to relate to the songs -- but hole's last record _live through this_ is not one i'm likely to ever sell back, and while it's a little early to say whether i'll still be listening to it in another six years, i'd bet yes. it's harrowing and intense, but unexpectedly beautiful in places, and has a thrilling cover of a terrific young marble giants song (that'd be "credit in the straight world"). if you only ever heard "miss world" you didn't give the record a fair shake. try the less repetetive, more tuneful and more lyrically interesting "jennifer's body;" if you don't like that better, then you probably really are immune to hole's charms. (i even like several songs from the first record, although i've wondered for some years how much producer kim gordon had to do with it sounded much more like sonic youth than its followers) what the hell is wrong with angst anyway? it doesn't have anything to do with anything, but i recently learned that i'm exactly as old (to the day) as courtney love. huh. - -- d. obpatheticbandname: i lobbied for "thirsty courtney;" two vetos. the rectangular-headed, bulldog-ish man's jaw felt like it was made of metal. he crawled forward like a tank; no stopping him. he threw himself into the fire. the other man, on the other side of the room, got too close. what happened to his eyes? oh no. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:11:38 +0930 From: dlang Subject: The Whistle test pics. Fegs, About a dozen of the picture grabs from the video of the 1985 R Hitchcock and the Egyptians gig on the Whistle test are now available to view at http://210.8.25.3/sharkfiles/Robyn.html Let me know if you cannot access them. websites at http://sawdust.maxisp.com.au/~mudfest/index.html dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 07:06:16 -0800 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Re: PolitiX At 10.32 PM -0800 12/19/98, MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I, too, am somewhat undecided about how I feel about the bombing. I >guess it depends on what comes of it. Obviously, a lengthy and pointless >"conflict" where thousands of people die would be terrible. A surgical strike >smack on Saddam's forehead might be cool, depending upon who came into power >after him. I'm in "wait and see" mode here. Hmmm... I can think of another lengthy and pointless conflict (that doesn't seem to be over) that might have been nipped in the bud by a well placed "surgical" stike - right on Slobadan Milosevics' forehead. I'm still up for seeing that happen. And so are the people of Kosovo, I'm sure. Be Seeing You, - - carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 98 11:26:53 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist Susan sez: >In some ways I am as left as Eddie, in some probably more radical (I don't >see Eddie trying to advocate for s/m education/rights) I don't want to argue Susan, so I hope she doesn't take this response too seriously or think I'm being deliberately insulting here; but she has challenged the supremacy of my buddy Red-Eddie, and I must defend. Let's see . . . Eddie helps maintain an underground magazine that's dedicated to overthrowing the US government; Eddie believes we're the most evil country on the face of the earth -- right up there, I may add, with Nazi Germany, the Mongol Hordes, Mordor and Teletubby World; Eddie thinks that Socialism is the answer to all our polirtical ills; Eddie wants to turn our children into bomb-tossing Fenian anarchists, and, perhaps the most radical of all, Eddie wants to rip apart Disneyworld brick by fucking brick with his own two hands. You, however, want to instruct the public about the joys of nipple clamps. Somehow I think that Eddie remains more radical than you, than me, than Che Guevera or even Jane Fonda from her pre-Barbarella days. - --Chairman Quailis de Sade PS: Susan? You're . . . into S/M? I really had no idea! Can you fix me up with Barbarella? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #474 *******************************