From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #473 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 19 1998 Volume 07 : Number 473 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: re colon ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: re colon [Zloduska ] Re: iraq and rolling ahead with the inanity of us foreign policy [S Dwarf] Re: the sonicnet chat [amadain ] Re: politics as religion [dlang ] Re: the sonicnet chat [amadain ] Folk&acoustic 1998 ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] Re: Folk&acoustic 1998 [dmw ] Uncorrected etc. again ["J. Katherine Rossner" ] AllStar consensus [Eb ] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist ["Capitali] Re: Movies and miscellania ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [Eb ] Monster no More [The Great Quail ] Politicks [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:58:01 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: re colon > >>my question is colon is the above sentiment echoed by most americans >>question mark because that generally seems to be the case period >> >>and i say clinton lied under oath regrding the matter of receiving oral >>sex from monica lewinsky exclamation mark > >who is this barkhouse idiot anyway who has no worthwhile ideas of his own >and just wants to stir things up question mark pot calling kebble black; moreover, i wouldn't deign to call you an idiot i'm interested in what the folks on this list think about the issue, is all. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:40:06 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: re colon daniel wrote: >>who is this barkhouse idiot anyway who has no worthwhile ideas of his >own >>and just wants to stir things up question mark > > >pot calling kebble black; moreover, i wouldn't deign to call you an >idiot I thought kebbles only come in the shade of purple passion, not black. Pot? Unless, are you talking about WEED? >i'm interested in what the folks on this list think about the issue, is >all. Well, honestly, if helps if the folks on this list can understand you. I couldn't even read that first post of yours about iraq. ~kjs ps: And if you really want to know what I think about what should be done in Iraq, it's this: I think we should make all the Gulf War soldiers eat nothing but squid to make them impotent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:50:51 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: iraq and rolling ahead with the inanity of us foreign policy Daniel Barkhouse spelled out all is punctuation/wrote: > not seen any commentary on this list regarding the > current bombing of iraq. what's your take on this? > i'm canadian, & i happen to think it abhorent. > > what the fuck is going on? > > "we'll try and have it resolved before ramadan > but we've no apparent problem with killing innocent > civilians a week and a bit before x-mas." well, we amuurrrrricans demand that our polices, both foreign and domestic be tough at all costs, even if they are stupid as hell with no chance of accomplishing anything whatsoever. which is why we end up helping people like Saddam Hussein (anyone catch a tv head pronouncing his name correctly yet btw?) or the bin Laden guy rise to power in the 80's (cuz they're "anti-communist*," nevermind they're just as bad or worse ultimately) and then such things come back to bite us in the ass. nevermind that the bombings aren't going change anything that Saddam Hussein does, and in fact along with the sanctions probably are making it even more difficult for the majority of Iraqis[sp] who would no doubt love to overthrow the swine. we must look tough. even if it means blowing our own metaphorical balls off. *communist in the common american sense, which is to say stalinist. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:24:36 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: the sonicnet chat > I only get digests of this list, but haven't seen anyone post much > about the on-line chat with Robyn this week. I can't speak for others who were there, but the reason I haven't really is that I haven't had the energy to write up a breathtakingly witty rant. And it deserves a taking apart, it -really- does. > For the most part, the SonicNet hosts who were doing the interview > sucked, and asked some pretty idiotic questions. Yes, they did indeed. My personal favorite: "Are you going to party like 1999?". What was an extreme source of annoyance to many of us present was that even after the piped-in interview was over and Robyn was ostensibly supposed to be answering -our- questions now, the interviewer was still asking them. Excuse me, but weren't we supposed to be taking turns here? I felt really rooked, actually, and I don't like feeling that way. It will be a cold day in hell before I participate in another SonicNet chat. Not that they care of course, they've already harvested my demographic data, which was the main purpose of this thing as far as I can tell. > Two things not mentioned in the subsequent SonicNet article: Robyn, > typing from what he called his ``control room,'' said that a host of > unreleased recorded material, including the Royal Albert Hall show, > will be available at robynhitchcock.com in the relatively near future. Yes, there were a select few questions taken from the audience, but they fell roughly into two categories: questions whose answers served a promotional/merchandising function, or questions which allowed Robyn to give out a pat, charming answer. It is my considered belief that having not gotten enough of these sorts of questions from the audience, the stupid interviewer improvised some softball stuff of his own to flesh the chat out. Love on ya, Susan /warning- rant ahead/ P.S. Mr. Brickhouse- You wanna see the Americans on the list do a mea culpa, eh? Not satisfied with our level of self-excoriation so far? Well, I have a nifty tip- be less transparent about it. Try not to do things like posting the views of a random moron on Usenet and asking if his views are those of the "typical American". I'm generally pretty damn critical of things like this and have been heard to rant on rather passionately about our destructive tendencies as a nation, so I'm not saying this because I'm pro-bombing. I am most definitely not. I'm happy to condemn it as the utterly disgusting, vile act that it is. I'm saying this because the way that many Europeans and Canadians are constantly superior dancing and expect all Americans present to publically dress in ashes all the time in order to gratify their sense of superiority makes my teeth hurt. I'm not going to sit here and go on about how horrible a person I am because I live in the US and how ignorant I must definitely be and how you're really right, all Americans are stupid illiterate fire-breathing racist war-mongers, unlike Canadians and Europeans, who are TO A MAN gentle, unselfish, and tolerant. And for dog's sake find the punctuation mark keys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:38:24 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: politics as religion Lord K stateth The Solistice might be a good time for 2 threads 1) How do we(Fegs) experience spirituality, and 2) How do we think Robyn does, and how do 1 and 2 relate. there are some articles (courtesy of Nur Gale)about his thoughts on life , spirituality , etc here http://210.8.25.3/sharkfiles/thoughts.html Heres what he has to say about his religious beliefs.Personally I think it makes a lot of sense. Oh, and regarding politics, if any ones interested I'm definitely a LEFTIE as well as a GREEN.I believe we MUST have a sense of community and responsibility towards our fellow creatures if we have any chance of making it in the long term . Margaret Thatcher said something along the lines of , ' there is no community , only individuals " , to me that sums upmuch of what is wrong with our society, we have become so obsessed with our own petty wants and needs that we cannot see the bigger picture.Rampant materialism of the kind we have at the moment is not the way forward .We could all do with a BIG dose of consciousness raising (as well as a lot more new conspracy theories on the list, which has been disturbingly normal recently) and I'm including myself here as well. dave Robyn - "I'm a very religious person, I just don't worship at any particular shrine. I think specific gods are a substitute for your parents your parents. When you're little, you can hold up your hand and someone big will reach down and hold it. As you get bigger, there's nobody to reach up to anymore, and this has freaked people out over the generations. So they've invented Jehovah and Christ and Allah and Odin and Sol and Hecated and God knows how many of them, and they try and placate these gods, just like kids try to please their parents when they're mad at them. But the sacredness that's implicit in religion is very important. Although it's inevitable that most of the world's major religions are in decline except for fundamentalism, the sense of sacredness is really important. Life is sacred, life is magical, life is beyond our understanding. Life comes from something we don't know and is going somewhere we cannot get to yet. But humans, if anything can be said for us, have got prying minds, and we'll keep jumping up and down until we can see over the fence and find out what's there. I don't know what I'm really doing with my life as a musician. Music just points you somewhere and you have to follow it. It used to be just entertainment, and then this stuff came up in the sixties about singers being philosopher kings and shamans. They were supposed to be so much more than just singers. I grew up in those times, and although I knew that ultimately they were just sexy looking guys in tight trousers who had a way with words, I felt that people like Dylan and Lennon and Jim Morrison still stumbled across the truth in some way. I never wanted to be a god, becuase I don't think humans can stand that. Humans are mortal, they exist in time and they crack. If you achieved godhood, it wouldn't be through becoming a pop star, because in the end you will fall, just as they've all fallen. You know, rock stars are all here on sufferance. They're there because they're making billions for The record company and the management and so they're allowed to have a few million for themselves. They're allowed to exist because they generate money for the business.The truth is I'm not sure if I'm a philosopher or a comedian, but I love music, and little bits of my philosophy must drip through into what I play. I should probably meditate and get the third eye going, but I think i'm evolving some understanding of the universe, I think I'm beginning to get an idea. I think you crash into things and by crashing into things, you realize where they are. Eventually you realize where Everything is and you avoid falling out of the window every time you want to go to the bathroom." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:49:02 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: the sonicnet chat > >And for dog's sake find the punctuation mark keys. I realized, immediately upon sending this, that I maybe let my irritation with the unreadability of the Brickhouse posts get the best of me. "What if he's blind, and can't SEE the software doing this? You'd feel like a gen-yoo-wine asshole if that turned out to be the case", I said to meself. So this is a retraction and apology for this last statement. The rest, however, stands :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:25:05 -0800 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Folk&acoustic 1998 Might as well provide The List That Doesn't Overlap Anybody Else's (in fact, I'd be surprised if anybody here besides woj has heard of any of these): Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies, THE PARISH NOTICES Susan Werner, TIME BETWEEN TRAINS Ellis Paul, TRANSLUCENT SOUL Henri Dikongue, C'EST LA VIE Einstein's Little Homunculus, DON'T ASK Eileen McGann, HERITAGE Carreg Lafar, HYN Wish I'd discovered sooner: James Keelaghan, SMALL REBELLIONS; Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies, BEDE WEEPS; Garnet Rogers, NIGHT DRIVE *** >From: edoxtato@ssax.com >Subject: Oi cann stann it... >- -John Wesley Harding, Schubas'. I saw him twice. He's like our man Robyn, >but without the surrealisim. He also sticks a bit more closely to >traditional folk song forms-- which I normally loathe, but he's so >engaging, and so energetic, he could sing the fucking phone book and I >could get into it. Hmm. I gather from the mailing list that JWH is getting into trad stuff, but most of what I've heard him sing is about as far from "traditional song forms" (which I love) as RH's music is. But I agree that he's so engaging and energetic (and with that devastating smile!) that anything he does is good. Speaking of which: anybody else going to the Freight and Salvage to see JWH on Sunday night? I'll be there... Katherine, regretting having missed tonight's Freight concert (the Nigerian Bros., aka West African Highlife Band, are great, but I fell asleep at 8:45) - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Folk&acoustic 1998 On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, J. Katherine Rossner wrote: > Might as well provide The List That Doesn't Overlap Anybody Else's (in > fact, I'd be surprised if anybody here besides woj has heard of any of these): > > Susan Werner, TIME BETWEEN TRAINS not only have i heard of ms. werner (and mr. paul, for that matter) but this might have made my year end list if i weren't so disappointed that she didn't record "bad at love" for it. - -- d., wondering if katherine has heard the recent lynn miles recording, or _cry cry cry_ (kaplansky, shindell, williams) - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:30:30 -0800 From: "J. Katherine Rossner" Subject: Uncorrected etc. again Catching up... >From: Joel Mullins > >Well, there's an old song that might decribe a Paranoid personality. I >don't know what it's called or who it's by, but it goes something like >this: > >"There coming to take me away, oh oh [etc. snipped] Yes, this is one of the reasons I should have posted descriptions rather than just names; apologies for my lack of clarity. (But thanks for the suggestions to everybody who tried to figure out what I was looking for.) "They're Coming To Take Me Away" *might* relate to paranoid schizophrenia (and "Split-Level Head", which I've always liked better, too); neither has much to do with Paranoid Personality Disorder. Katherine - -- Ye knowe ek, that in forme of speche is chaunge Withinne a thousand yere, and wordes tho That hadden pris, now wonder nyce and straunge Us thinketh hem, and yit they spake hem so. - Chaucer, "Troilus and Criseyde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:20:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: AllStar consensus Since the countdown is now over, I thought I'd post the results of AllStar's Best of 1998 poll, in case you missed them. Twenty-two writers from the site's staff were polled. 1. Elliott Smith -- XO 2. Billy Bragg and Wilco -- Mermaid Avenue 3. PJ Harvey -- Is This Desire? 4. Hole -- Celebrity Skin 5. R.E.M. -- Up 6. Belle and Sebastian -- The Boy with the Arab Strap 7. Liz Phair -- whitechocolatespaceegg 8. Neutral Milk Hotel -- In the Aeroplane Over the Sea 9. Rufus Wainwright -- Rufus Wainwright 10. Massive Attack -- Mezzanine 11. Outkast -- Aquemini 12. Monster Magnet -- Powertrip [the site's heavy-metal contingent always seems to slip a weird one in there...last year, it was Faith No More] 13. Sixteen Horsepower -- Low Estate 14. Creeper Lagoon -- I Become Small and Go 15. Mercury Rev -- Deserter's Songs http://www.allstarmag.com Did you know that there's some TV movie with Susan Lucci cast as a female "Scrooge," titled "Ebbie"? Yikes. Eb Out-of-context quote of the day, found on the web: "Christ hopes to have his interviews wrapped up by the end of the week, and his report on the D.A.'s desk early next week." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:03 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist well, the line, "you could vote for labor, but you can't any more," has never been more true, has it? my god! i mean were fucking blair and clinton separated at birth or something? don't think i can agree with this. apart from vivien and michael; rosso, miles, bayard, danielle, susie, james, commander lang, randi, lobstie, "red' natalie, glostie seem to be at least as far left as myself. .chris is hard to get a read on (and i'm sure he likes it that way.) chris franz is a paid eat the state! subscriber and t-shirt wearer (though i sometimes feel he's just trying to lull me into a false sense of security.) runion is no fan of capitalism. marcy, while she clings to an irrational belief that the democratic party is the "party of the people," certainly has quite left leanings. debora was interested in war tax resistance (in fact, you still have that book i loaned you, debbie!) eb, while he doesn't like to see "current affairs" on the list, is pretty left. i suspect godwin is pretty left. and of course, i must be leaving a TON out. see, i think it's just that i'm more of a dick than most people, and simply have to rub it in your faces at every opportunity. once upon a time, eb complained that robyn doesn't write enough "topical" songs, and i posted a...well, certainly not *long* list, but a list nonetheless. i happen to remember, in case anybody wants to hit the archives, that i posted it on 8/6/97, because i'd just returned from an anti-nuclear submarine demo on that most horrible of anniversaries, when i sent that in. robyn has said that Filthy Bird is about bosnia, by the way. also --and yes, i've told this story WAY too many times-- i heard robyn stating on a radio show that he is, "pretty strong socialist," and i asked him about it before a gig in june of '97, and he concurred that he is indeed such. this is a whole other animal from being a political songwriter, of course. but there you are. here's how transparently the *timing* (as opposed to the act itself, which is even *more* transparent) is purely political: i was driving to work on the day after, and the radio had clinton giving some nimfuck speech about how anybody with any sense at all should know that the impeachment process had absolutely nothing to do with the timing of the assault. the *very next item* on the "news"cast was a bit about all the democrats whining about the republicans only putting off the debate by one day! and then yesterday, there was all this talk about halting the bombing during ramadan, because clinton didn't want to piss off our arab "allies" (meaning, of course, the family dictatorships, not the people of the region.) on one hand, i actually think it's pretty hilarious that no matter what clinton tries to do --including committing gross violations of international law and perpetrating massive war crimes-- to try to derail the impeachment process, not only are the republicans completely undeterred, but, clinton's shooting off at the phallus, foreign policy version, is knocked out of the top of the news after only a day or so. on the other hand, of course, the absolutely childish bickering culminating in the so-called "debate" yesterday, *while the fucking bombs were dropping* was one of the more shameful points in our country's ignominious history. (not to mention the media's coverage of same. for example, i was listening to some jerk-off talk show host on thurs. night slagging all over livingston, and the second some caller brought up the timing of the latest aggression upon iraq, the host got all pissed off, asking him what right he'd had to bring that up?) this *particular* act may pale in comparison, but, taken in total --the initial war, the embargo, and subsequent bombings-- add up to one of the greater "crimes against humanity" of this awful century. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:35:16 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: Movies and miscellania can we take this to mean, cher ebbard, that you are retracting your statement that, "i'll always be a fan, but i'll never be a feg"? (if so, then, welcome aboard, eb!) haven't seen Wag The Dog. but, after Avalon and most everything that had come before, levinson was one of my favorite directors. the only thing i can think is that he got conked on the head after that, 'cause he's made nothing but shit since. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:54:03 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist Eddie: >once upon a time, eb complained that robyn doesn't write enough >"topical" songs, and i posted a...well, certainly not *long* list, but a >list nonetheless. "Topical" does NOT necessarily equal "political." I just wish Robyn was more capable of writing songs which comment on today's culture and society, and better able to put aside the "here's my own weird little universe" tactic. >contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;)> > >can we take this to mean, cher ebbard, that you are retracting your >statement that, "i'll always be a fan, but i'll never be a feg"? How could the above possibly indicate a "retraction"? As a matter of fact, I was asserting my non-Fegdom to Susan quite recently, in private. Even Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:10:57 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Re: AllStar consensus some day, someone somewhere will explain to me in a comprehensible manner, how anyone could enjoy listening to Hole. She can't hold a tune or carry a melody or anything. What gives? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 98 17:40:21 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Monster no More Ebby Anti-Tool Ebowski writes, >12. Monster Magnet -- Powertrip [the site's heavy-metal contingent always >seems to slip a weird one in there...last year, it was Faith No More] But at least Faith no More and Monster Magnet aren't exactly the standard brainless cockrocking variety of heavy metal. Indeed, I really like Monster Magnet, who I think sounds like my beloved Hawkwind crossed with Soundgarden. They give a great live show, and -- and they use a Theramin! - --Quail, who automatically digs any modern band that uses a Theramin. . . . np: "Pagliacci." One more reason to never trust a clown. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Politicks [Binkley sniffs the breeze] Binkley: Ahhh ... do you smell that? [Binkley and Opus sniff the breeze] Opus: Dirty socks! Binkley: Politics! --Bloom County, ca. 1984 Herein are gathered replies to several different posts: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, VIV LYON wrote: > I confess that the Robyn debate was more of a red herring than an > honest question. Basically, I just wanted to see who was gonna be up > against the wall when the revolution came. Not Michael Wolfe. Possible > Jeme can escape with his life, as well. And Chris, I cant wait to see > you throwing some bombs, you little Red, you. Heh ... you should have seen me when I was a 14-year-old Communist, or a 16-year-old Anarchist, or a 17-year-old Syndicalist. Actually I'll put aside the replies for a moment to insert some assorted thoughts about the bombing of Iraq. First, I think I'll earn the contempt of everyone on either side of the question by saying that I'm deeply ambivalent about it. Just can't make up my mind. If you see my face in a rally in front of the White House, rest assured that I'll just be gawking, not taking part fer or agin. Why would I ever consider supporting the bombing? Well, 'cause the UN has ordered Iraq to get rid of its long-range missiles and facilities for producing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, and to verify this by allowing inspections, and the Iraqis have not done so. Diplomacy had been tried, sanctions have been tried, and now it seems like it's either attack or tell Saddam Hussein, "Okay, we give up, you've won." It's sad that those are our only options, but sad or not it's true. And sorry, but I don't really have much of a problem with bombing such humanitarian institutions as political police barracks or suspected missile facilities. Call me ruthless.... So then, why would I ever consider *not* supporting the bombing? Because to me it seems unlikely that it will make Iraq go along with the UN, nor will it render Iraq incapable of producing weapons of mass destruction, nor will it probably result in Saddam Hussein being forced from power. So if this feeling is correct, all the bombing is just futile violence without hope of success. Killing is not always the worst alternative in all situations [more below]; but *pointless* killing always is. Furthermore, we really should not have acted without Security Council and Congressional approval. So for these reasons, not anti-Americanism, pro-Saddamism, or pacifism, I'm tending against supporting this attack. But I'm still not sure. Unlike probably everyone else in the universe, I'm not convinced that the attack was just a stunt to delay the impeachment vote. I mean, I'm sure the possible anti-impeachment benefits occurred to Clinton; but I think he would have done it anyway, if impeachment was not an issue but all other circumstances were the same. It's not like the whole Iraqi dispute didn't exist before the first cruise missile hit. I can think of at least two other occasions just this year when we were on the verge of bombing Iraq until a last-minute concession from Saddam Hussein convinced Clinton et al. to back off. Maybe it was motivated by hopes of a political payoff on the impeachment front; but there's no proof of it. People who are definitely opposed to the bombing can say, "How can you possibly have any doubts? People are getting *killed*, fer chrissake! Come on!" But cynical/depraved/evil as you may think what I'm about to say, killing people is *not* always the worst alternative available. If you're an absolute pacifist and object to any violence or killing whatsoever, fine. I can respect that (as long as you're consistent about it). However, I myself don't agree. If we commit to never doing anything that might kill anyone, then in effect we're giving rulers like Saddam Hussein carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as they have enough civilians to hide behind. And that sticks in my craw. I think each case should be evaluated on its own. Sometimes, violence is really the least bad alternative. I'm just not sure that that's the case here; in fact right now I'm leaning against it. Two ironies: 1. At any other time, Republicans would've been mad with joy that the US had bombed Iraq, but not now. 2. In theory, the idea that the United Nations should stop countries from producing weapons of mass destruction, and that it should enforce this by diplomacy, sanctions, and as a last resort force, would sound pretty good to leftists and peaceniks; but not now, in practice. Okay, now some more replies: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Barkhouse wrote: > not seen any commentary on this list regarding the current bombing of > iraq period what apostrophe s your take on this question mark i > apostrophe m canadian comma and i happen to think it abhorent period Ah, another inept newbie for Eb to rip into. Merry Christmas, Eb! ... Seriously, I'm curious about the punctuation here. Did you type out the names of the punctuation marks for fun, or are you using some kind of malfunctioning speech-to-text software? The latter seems unlikely, since a program like that would presumably be working from a wordlist that spelled "abhorrent" correctly. Or is that the standard Canadian spelling? (I was originally going to entitle this post "Bring back Colon Powell" in honour of your puntuational idiosyncracies....) On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Zloduska wrote: > ps: And if you really want to know what I think about what should be >done > in Iraq, it's this: I think we should make all the Gulf War soldiers >eat > nothing but squid to make them impotent. Hey! That does NOT make one impotent. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Eb wrote: >>not seen any commentary on this list regarding the current bombing of >>iraq > >Thank heavens. Sorry, Eb, but I couldn't resist. - --Chris ps: I won't keep going on about this unless others also want to. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #473 *******************************