From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #471 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 07 : Number 471 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bastard child [tanter ] Re: Tres Hodge Du Podge [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Best Shows of 98 [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: bastard child ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: Various Kvetches, Buddhist and otherwise. . . . [Christopher Donnell] Re: Best Shows of 98 [Capuchin ] general update [Bayard Catron ] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [desmond in a tutu ] Re: Call for URLs [desmond in a tutu ] Re: Godspeed, John Glenn! [desmond in a tutu ] Re: song of the year ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: song of the year - reply to myself ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: song of the year - lullaby ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: the 80s revisited [Joel Mullins ] Re: Various Kvetches, Buddhist and otherwise. . . . [Stewart Russell 329] Re: Great. I'm a bloody stoned owl. [Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Program] Re: bastard child [dlang ] Movies and miscellania [Michael R Godwin ] What song was this? [Michael R Godwin ] Especially # 7 [Jim_Neill@rhinorecords.com (Jim Neill)] A little late, but love those movies [Eleanore Adams ] Politics and ethics (was: You could vote for labor...) [VIV LYON Subject: Re: bastard child At 04:01 PM 12/17/1998 -0800, you wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Eb wrote: >> Why is it that any post about the general Feg community *inevitably* >> contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;) Because, dearest Eb, you are the most important.... ;) :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:11:52 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Tres Hodge Du Podge In a message dated 98-12-17 18:31:14 EST, you write: << I enjoyed Titanic. I saw it in the first week after it opened, had a good time, and didn't think about it again. So I was quite obviously not heavily influenced by the cult that grew up around it. And anyway, I find Kate Winslet rather appealing >> Yeah, I think both of these factors aid condiderably in one's potential for appreciating that movie. I liked it pretty well, too. It was a great looking film, adequately acted (except for the mean fiance guy -- what's his name again?), fairly poorly scripted, but really well directed. So, on the balance, it was okay. - ------Michael K., who's glad to see that a true film enthusiast like Michael W. kinda liked "Titanic," too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:23:27 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Best Shows of 98 1) Radiohead (spellbinding) 2) McCoy Tyner Trio (I guess I had never seen top-notch jazz before, because this was a stunningly powerful and transcendental experience -- WOW!) 3) Broncos win over the Seahawks in Seattle (I like the gulls and all, but, as a former Denverite, I'm fanatical about the Broncos; this was the first time I'd been to a pro football game since about 1976) 4) Oregon Symphony with Rostropovich doing Dvorak's "Cello Concerto" (a true master, inspiring a generally adequate symphony to new heights) 5) Neutral Milk Hotel [the venue was shitty (Satyricon, which Jeme likes cuz it has video games) and the sound was pretty bad, but, just like on the album, they put everything they had into every note!] - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:14:58 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: bastard child There was a comment made recently (by Joel, I think it was) that Robyn fans are few and far between.* I second that comment, and I also second the notion that this is a good thing (although I think that Robyn would/could have produced an excellent soundtrack for "A Bug's Life, if not "Toy Story"). This list is a beautiful thing, so far as I'm concerned. So, since the season is nigh, merry christmas, flesh-heads, and thanks for being there... - -db. * although my 5-year-old son sings "Trilobite" whenever the mood strikes him; so, who knows, maybe Robyn's heading into top-40 land, after all. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Donnell Subject: Re: Various Kvetches, Buddhist and otherwise. . . . > >Prospero's Books.. man that's a real doozy. > > And a film with another *great* score; Mike Nyman in his most raspy > minimalist mode. And -- and Ute! Ute Lemper! (Yaaaaaay Ute!) I gotta admit I just don't see the whole Prospero's Books thing. I admit I haven't even seen the whole Prospero's Books. Shit was WAY out there man. > >Ummm.. and Johnathan Demme too.. he made a good film this year. > >Something about a Storefront Cockfight or something. Yeah. > > Yes, it was called "Bepecked," and it was all about the struggle of a hen > after her rooster was killed . . . and she was haunted by this dead black > chick of hers. . . . something like that. . . . Both of these sequels to 'Beloved Cockfight' of course. > And what's all this about hair? What's wrong with feathers? You know they make me sneeze. And from the way back machine, this goes out to all the old timers on the list.. here's my signature from 1993 (the earliest years in the archive unfortunately) _ _ (w) Chris 'The Man With The Lightbulb Head' Donnell * (602)866-0527 (w) _V_ 7236@ef.gc.maricopa.edu * 234 E. Waltann Ln./Phoenix, AZ/85022-3038 _V_ Hmmmm.. I wonder if my mailer is wrapping that? And finally for all you computer savvy fegs check out my Robyn Hitchock music page living somewhere at.. http://www.geocities.com/~qrys/robyn/index.html Groove to some funky tunes.. > --Quail, bassist for the Preemptive Sheep UK. > > np: The Smith's "Louder than Bombs." (Oh, wait, that's CNN. . . . ) > > > +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ > > The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society) > > For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, > visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail > > "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the > human mind to correlate all its contents." > -- H.P. Lovecraft > >
Christopher Donnell Hmmm.. you might as well check out my homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~qrys ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:28:55 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Best Shows of 98 On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > 5) Neutral Milk Hotel [the venue was shitty (Satyricon, which Jeme likes cuz > it has video games) and the sound was pretty bad, but, just like on the album, > they put everything they had into every note!] Not video games, Michael... Fucking PINBALL. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Catron Subject: general update Tis the season to be fegging... my address books are rather unorganized, so I'm posting to remind everyone about: fegBands! I only got three URLs from y'all, and one of them I had to look up myself! Does anyone have a URL for "GODSPEED JOHN GLENN"? Send your URLs! I did find a nice interview with Tris McCall... The Tape Tree! Make sure you've fulfilled your responsibilities, and then you get an all-new tree featuring the 11/20/98 gig with Robyn Deni Terry Edwards MillsandStipey, PLUS a fantastic solo show from 9-24-89 featuring "Sandra's Having Her Brain Out", "Shelter From The Storm", an improv piece called "The Band Faust" AND an otherwise unavailable Robyn number called "You're an Angel." Big fat thanks go to Tom Clark! THANKS! Glass Flesh! Contributed robyn cover songs have been pouring in and total over 100 minutes! The new deadline is Valentine's Day, so get those tapes spinning and send in your cover tunes! The release date of GF CD 2 will be sometime this coming spring or summer! The songs are superb and if anything this disc will be better even than its predecessor, which by all accounts was no slouch itself! Fish Gloss .... and FISH GLOSSARY! Fish Gloss is the four-CD set featuring original tunes by feg bands. Fish GLOSSARY is a single album with just one song from each band. (Just when you thought there couldn't be another possible silly name made out of this theme...) Fish Gloss is full, but there is still space on The Glossary, so send in those songs, CDR or DAT at 44.1 preferred. Jeez, do I have a life? If I ever finish (start!) my home page, you'll see. =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:12:26 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! also sprach The Great Quail: >Mr. Hooper --> Woj huh? he's not even a muppet! charlatan! +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:09:04 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: Call for URLs also sprach The Great Quail: >If you want to be added, email me your URL in the following format: > > no, no, no, it's -- no space between the "URL:" and the access method! but seriously, the only thing i'm anal about are my t-shirts -- there are so many that i have to have a system to make sure each gets an opportunity to be worn on a regular basis. well, maybe not that seriously. +w ps. woj.com was is taken...should i register woj.org? n.p. anonymous 4 -- a star in the east (go ahead, eb, make my day) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:25:03 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: Godspeed, John Glenn! also sprach The Great Quail: >And my all time favorite: > >War Rocket Ajax - "The Barbarian Who Leapt to his Death from a Zeppelin" sounds like my all time favorite: wombat toga party. a real band of some friends from ye olde college daze. aka wayneless since, well, there was nobody named wayne in the band. they did a mean "hot child in the city". +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: song of the year song of the year - Shawn Mullins' 'Lullaby.' "Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' on The Rosie O'Donnell Show FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" "Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' on The Rosie O'Donnell Show FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:43:35 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: song of the year - reply to myself >Received: from 141.109.223.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST >X-Originating-IP: [141.109.223.151] >From: "Daniel Barkhouse" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org, woj@smoe.org >Cc: barkalone@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: song of the year >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain > > >song of the year - Shawn Mullins' 'Lullaby.' > >"Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' >on The Rosie O'Donnell Show >FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 >Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" > > >"Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' >on The Rosie O'Donnell Show >FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 >Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" > > > > ...and i abhor Rosie... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:25 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: song of the year - reply to you >Received: from 141.109.223.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST >X-Originating-IP: [141.109.223.151] >From: "Daniel Barkhouse" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org, woj@smoe.org >Cc: barkalone@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: song of the year >Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:38:17 PST >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain > > >song of the year - Shawn Mullins' 'Lullaby.' > >"Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' >on The Rosie O'Donnell Show >FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 >Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" > > >"Shawn Mullins will be performing 'Lullaby' >on The Rosie O'Donnell Show >FRIDAY, DECEMBER 18 >Rosie can be seen at 10AM on ABC" > > somebody please tape it for me... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Donnell Subject: Re: Call for URLs actually putting the <>'s around it screws up Yahoo! Mail and it thinks the trailing > is part of the URL, so instead of just being able to click on it I have to cut and paste and get rid of the trailing >. Just to gripe about >s... - ---desmond in a tutu wrote: > > also sprach The Great Quail: > > >If you want to be added, email me your URL in the following format: > > > > > > no, no, no, it's -- no space > between the "URL:" and the access method! > > but seriously, the only thing i'm anal about are my t-shirts -- there are > so many that i have to have a system to make sure each gets an opportunity > to be worn on a regular basis. > > well, maybe not that seriously. > > +w > > ps. woj.com was is taken...should i register woj.org? > > n.p. anonymous 4 -- a star in the east (go ahead, eb, make my day) > == Christopher Donnell Hmmm.. you might as well check out my homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~qrys _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:51:47 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: song of the year - lullaby every thing's gonna be all right. p.s. this is my last message. i'm having a moment. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:53:01 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: the problem on which we is dwellin'[1] >>...I know who you should be! One of those little guys who sings "Me na me >>na".. Remember? > >I'd have to go check my copy to be sure, but I believe the title is >actually "Mahna Mahna". oh but it is indeed. The B-side has Robin (no, not Robyn) singing "Halfway down the stair" Mark.... you mean we both suffer migraines, too??? This is getting a little worrying... oh, and if people want to dye their hair so as to avoid the 'ooh - you're starting to go grey' comments, then - from the age of about 12, they should start dyeing their hair grey. It's the perfect disguise, and looks sooo distinguised! >1. Are people on this list political? That is, are they actively >interested in politics, and if so, is the predominant leaning left? does membership of a political party count? Or the temptation to stand for city council (I chickened out this time. Maybe next time... I'm interested to know whether I will get more than 10 votes!). How about being a member of a micronational community, intended as an experiment in net politics? And yes, I veer to port (or madeira, if you've got any). >2. Could Robyn be considered a political songwriter? not to the extent of Billy Bragg, but several of Robyn's songs are political at at least some level (Brenda, The president,My favourite buildings, Filthy bird and Cynthia mask, to name but five). But if I look for political songs, I do not seek me out the one named Robyn. >I argued that with the sole exception of Mr. Tews, no one on this list >seems to be particularly political- at least, not so's you'd notice. Mr Shell, mayhap? >If you lean far enough one way, you fall over. ah, but if you don't list to one side or the other a bit, you feel listless! James [1] this was the first line of a limerick composed at the time of the last NZ general election, while coalition partners were being discussed. Only Danielle will get this, but.."The problem on which we is dwellin'/Is that there is just no way of tellin'/If Jim A or Jim B/Or Peters or Lee/Will make the best partner for Helen!" See - meaningless to most of you, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:56:12 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: the 80s revisited >80s music was recently shown to be lacking ("Tiffany who?"), so in >addition to my studies of The Stray Cats, Michael Jackson, Talking Heads, >Blondie, Katrina and the Waves, Men without Hats, Tears for Fears, DEVO, >and possibly Dead Kennedys, whom should I include? Is there any major new >talent that I've forgotten? Terrence, Terrence, where to start? A's Aztec Camera - "Knife" made me shiver, B is for Bruce, who went down to the river; C is the Clash, who were calling from London, D is the dark that orchestras manoeuvre in; E is Echo, who brought us "Rescue" F is the Finns (of which Split Enz had two); G is for Gabriel's intruding "Start", H is the Huskers: Mould, Norton and Hart; I is for Icehouse (the plural's Icehouses) J is for Joel, who brought us "Glass Houses"; K is for Knopfler and his friends dire straits L is for Laurie, 1-4 in the States; M is for Murmur - talk about passion! N is Napoleon Declan's Attractions; O is the oil - Midnight with some red sails, P is Pete Townshend, back on the rails; Q is for Queen, also for Quiet Riot, R is RT (Linda shot out the light); S is for Shelley, who is homosapien, T is for Triffids - some Western Australians; U is U2, led by one Mr Vox, V is "Vienna", played by Ultravox; W is for Winwood, taking his chances, X is for XTC counting their senses; "You've got another thing coming" (J. Priest), finally, Zenyatta Mondatta (Police). Dammit. I didn't get round to mentioning: Scary Monsters (David Bowie); the Stranglers; Beat (King Crimson); Monochrome Set; "Sensoria" (Cabaret Voltaire); Julian Cope; Lloyd Cole & the Commotions; Suzanne Vega; Shriekback; Kate Bush; Joy Division; Ed Kuepper; or the Hoodoo Gurus... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:36:56 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: she's certainly... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:32:25 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: the 80s revisited > Dammit. I didn't get round to mentioning: the Hoodoo Gurus... Hell yes! Someone else in the world has actually heard of the Hoodoo Gurus. I spent my junior high years in the mid-80's getting made fun of because I listened to this Australian band that no one else had ever heard of. "Hoodoo who?" they would ask. Anyway, they were a great band, even if they still remind me of mowing the lawn and getting picked on by big bullies. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:35:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Various Kvetches, Buddhist and otherwise. . . . >>>>> "The" == The Great Quail writes: The> I *love* the Star Wars soundtrack ... The> And furthermore, a lot of "Star Wars" was pretty The> derivative of Gustav Holst's "The Planets." Not as derivative as of the "Born Free" theme tune, a film which made more from the Star Wars suit than at the box office. - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:29:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Stewart Russell 3295 Analyst_Programmer Subject: Re: Great. I'm a bloody stoned owl. but the (muppet) performers are called "Mnah-Mnah & The Two Snowths". To be dragged out when ever anyone says "phenomenon"... - -- Stewart C. Russell Analyst Programmer, Dictionary Division stewart@ref.collins.co.uk HarperCollins Publishers use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:08:56 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: bastard child daniel enthused >This list is a beautiful thing, so far as I'm >concerned. whilst this is absolutely true D , your phrasing could be construed as harking dangerously close to hippie speak..You should be aware that in that case you are in contravention of list rule # 12311344222344a , section c,which specifically prohibits the use of such terms , the penalty being that the offender is forced to read the " Collected posts of the Great Quail" volumes 1-to 347,( which fortunately is only the minor portion of the collection ) before he, she or it is allowed to post again. There are no exceptions. Also, be warned there are those who will rubbish you something rotten for using such language. Do you wear a tye die T shirt by any chance ? Talking of tye die .G Dead lovers will be concerned about Phil Lesh's liver transplant ,fortunately he is doing well so far, although it is very early days as he was only operated on yesterday. .As for those who dislike the dead......well, I just hope Eb, Nat and Sue are nowhere near Phils hospital and if I hear any tubes have been pulled out during the night,or that Phil has developed a nasty cough , I'll know who to blame ! dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:02:13 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Movies and miscellania I was surprised and gratified to see how many of the recent film lists included favourites of mine: Time Bandits, Au Revoir les Enfants, Stranger than Paradise (nice one, Mark!), Aleksander Nevsky, Young Frankenstein, Double Indemnity, This is Spinal Tap, Brazil, Withnail ... BUT if you're going to have a Fellini film, it has to be really early - La Strada, say, or that one where the guy dresses up a a shiekh for the comic books and there's the wedding party in the hotel all wondering where the wife has gone - sensational!; if you're going to have a Jimmy Stewart film, Destry Rides Again is better than It's a Wonderful Life; and if it has to be a Stewart/Capra film, Mr Smith Goes to Washington is better than It's a Wonderful Life; AND where were the Bunuel films? I can't believe that it's possible to be a Robyn Hitchcock fan without being a Bunuel fan! What about that one that ends up in the zoo with lots of shots of an ostrich (Phantom of Liberty, perhaps?); or the one where he has two different girls playing the heroine (just remembered - it was called 'That Obscure Object of Desire')? or Tristana? Or L'Age d'Or?; where were the Julius, Arthur and Leonard Marx films? I know I always mention Duck Soup, but Animal Crackers is almost as good, and Horse Feathers too; Animation: I know you characters all dislike Disney for what it is now, but honestly, Watership Down (sing.) is not a patch on 'Snow White' or 'Dumbo'. I never saw 'LotR' (which is what I assume is meant by 'The Hobbit') but I know I wouldn't have liked it. On the other hand, I loved that low-tech thing with the dinosaur skeletons wandering up and down a street with lots of high buildings, but I don't know who did it. Jan Svankmeyer, some name like that?; As far as recent movies go, no-one mentioned 'Wag the Dog', which I thought was funny - Dustin Hoffman right on form; and while we're talking composers, don't forget Bernard Herrman's wild scores for Jason and the Argonauts and Seventh Voyage of Sinbad (you may also be interested to know that these films have neat special effects by Ray Harryhausen). Herrman's score for the skeleton duel in 7VS is brilliant, using a marimba(?) to get the rattling bones sound. Herrman also owes a lot to Max Steiner, who did loads of scores including the original King Kong; I also love John Morris's pastiche scores for the Mel Brooks movies, especially Young Fronkensteen. - - Mike 'Pops' Godwin PS Isn't 'Cheese Alarm' a political song? PPS The film 'LotR' actually only covered half the book. 'North West Passage' (which was subtitled 'Roger's Rangers') only covered half the book, and never got anywhere near the NWP. Are there other examples of unfinished projects? Trams addendum: The trams of old London only survived until 1952, I think, when it was still the old LCC. The GLC didn't come in until the 60s (1966?) "Don't be stoopid, be a smartie, come and join the Nazi party" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:11:12 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: What song was this? At the Bristol showing of SH, RH stated that he had never previously played one song live. The song featured quite an intricate flatpick accompaniment, and included the phrases "marking time" and "what you will". I think that "what you will" was the last line. Does the wonder of fegtechnology stretch to identifying the song from these meagre fragments? - - Mike 'Pops' Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:49:58 -0800 From: Jim_Neill@rhinorecords.com (Jim Neill) Subject: Especially # 7 Top Ten Least Beloved Holiday TV Specials 10. "The Grinch Who Stole Grandpa's Heart Medication" 9. "The World's Bloodiest Furby Riots" 8. "It's An Even More Wonderful Life If You're Rich" 7. "For The Love Of God And Everything Holy, Change Your Shirt, Charlie Brown" 6. "Hanukkah With Monica" 5. "Emeril Lagasse Spit-Roasts Blitzen Live" 4. "Ernest Borgnine's Mistletoe Kiss-A-Palooza" 3. "The House Of Representatives' Impeachment Proceeding And Holiday Hoe-Down" 2. "Kenneth Starr Subpoenas Santa Claus" 1. "Let's Biopsy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:29:04 +0000 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: A little late, but love those movies My top Ten 1. Apocolipcse Now 2. Aguirre Wrath of God 3. the Shining 4. Unforgiven 5. The Godfather 6.Laurence of Arabia 7.Dirty Harry 8. Empire Strikes Back 9. Fargo 10. Any James Bond Flick with Sean connery And hair..... if you have a good stylist, color it any way you want without regret. You will pay and arm and a leg for it and maintenance every 6 weeks, but you will look marvoulous! Eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: VIV LYON Subject: Politics and ethics (was: You could vote for labor...) - ---Capuchin wrote: > Fuck people. I generally do. Oh, what a giveaway. > But no more left-leaning than the average person these days. Just how left-leaning do you think most people are? Yesterday I went to a protest against Desert Fox, and aside from there being only about two hundred people marching (it's Chicago, you'd think we could do better), we had a heckler. He shouted "Down with Free Speech!" over and over. We mostly ignored him, though we did openly laugh at his total failure to recognize the irony inherent in his slogan. As he left, he muttered into his radio (this guy was a bike messenger, not a group generally known for regressive politics) "They're getting violent." In other words, some unspecified number of people wanted to incite us to get violent. Or something. At any rate, it was fairly clear, not only through this guy but in the general reactions of the non-participating crowd, that the majority doesn't take the bombing seriously. This bombing is a transparent political ploy that is resulting in the deaths of real people. America is being more despicable than usual, her motives are more apparent than usual, and still no one can be bothered to give a fuck. I don't think the general populace leans even slightly to the left, except perhaps culturally (oh boy, we can say 'ass' on the air! Free speech rules! And aren't drag queens cool?) > As I was just telling Quail off-list, leftism is, to me, a new kind of > catholicism. You believe it and you practice it because you feel you > should and that you're an evil person if you don't, but it only causes you > guilt and frustration and really does nothing to enrich your life. Ha ha. While this rings true on some levels, fundamentally I feel that my life has been measurably enriched by my political consciousness. If it does nothing to enrich your life, perhaps you should investigate your reasons for ‘believing’ it. Just like a back-sliding Catholic. By which statement I guess I’m confessing that it is a belief on the order of religious. I believe that people deserve to live as they wish, according to the possibilities at hand and provided they don’t physically harm other people or their property (without their consent). And since I live surrounded by more possibilities, I feel it my duty to attempt to redistribute them. As to how I actually do this, well, I’m a lot of hot air and good intentions right now, but there are wheels within wheels, my friend. > > 2. Could Robyn be considered a political songwriter? First of all, Dave recants. Rather, he claims never to have claimed that Robyn was a political songwriter. Of course, it’s an untenable position. I think most of us would agree that he has about six or seven songs with overt political content, several more with veiled or implied content, but ten songs in an ouevre of (Bayard-count) five hundred or so does not a political songwriter make. Though we also all probably agree that in private life Mr. Hitchcock is a rabid Anarcho-socialist dedicated to sticking it to the man and smashing the state by any means neccessary. Oh wait, that’s Eddie. I confess that the Robyn debate was more of a red herring than an honest question. Basically, I just wanted to see who was gonna be up against the wall when the revolution came. Not Michael Wolfe. Possible Jeme can escape with his life, as well. And Chris, I can’t wait to see you throwing some bombs, you little Red, you. As has been said, I apparently walked in just as the furor was dying down. My intention is not to fuel any flames, I just wanted to have a better idea of how people on the list felt about “important” stuff, ie: not hair or movies. Although I will be posting my personal pb&x predelictions. To respond to Michael Wolfe’s wonderful post- Relativism has it’s place, and that place is in theory. In practice, no one is a relativist. One cannot sit around everyday in a moral soup of non-judgementalism, repeating like a mantra “I’m okay, you’re okay.” Everyone judges. The problem is not that we judge, but that we act on the judgements on inappropriate ways. >BUT, if Robyn's music is a common bond that lets me get to >know someone who has similar views as I do, or can teach me new ways to >articulate my politics, or even just makes me feel less depressed >someday, allowing me to be a more effective activist, then it has had a >political effect. And, as long as we share more between us fegs than just our affection >for Robyn (and I think we do, even if it is, as Jeme asserts, rather ineffable) >it is, in its own way, a focused political effect. Amen, brother. Vivien ps- > > I know (peripherally) several of the people involved with this great > > magazine and highly highly recommend it. > This is the socialist equivalent of starfucking. Yup. I derive a small additional amount of self-worth from my association with them. Perhaps I’m just trash, but I’m smart trash. Jeme said so. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #471 *******************************