From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #470 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 07 : Number 470 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Random Thread Response [edoxtato@ssax.com] bastard child [Eb ] Re: Spewelborg and movies ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Re: Random Thread Response [Eb ] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [Terrence ] Re: Spewelborg and movies [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [normal@gr] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [Christoph] Re: Spewelborg and movies ["Daniel Barkhouse" ] Tres Hodge Du Podge [Michael Wolfe ] Re: bastard child [Capuchin ] Politics [Michael Wolfe ] bye bye Nonl [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist [tanter From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com >Subject: How Celine Dion Saved my life >Okay. I promised. This is, aside from the occasional hyperbole >to which I am given, a true story. I hope it is both >entertaining and informative. :::remainder of story snipped::: Mark, you really are Jean Shepard, aren't you? Confess. El Spewbergo: The last film of his I saw and really liked was... "Duel". I still think that is a great film. It's a big car chase and all that but its suspense is terriffic. Jaws was OK, but I still like "Duel" best. I didn't see "Schindler's List" becase, frankly, I'd heard way too much about it and frankly, I wasn't interested. I've talked to people who are holocaust survivors. Their experiences were hideous enough. Their loss was poignant enough. Their fortune in either escaping or surviving was divine. No need to go see it. (As an aside, regarding WWII films, most of the new ones bug me cos I don't dig revisionisim that much. For me, if a WWII movie DOESN'T star Lee Marvin, Michael Caine, or Klaus Von Lederhosen, I know my paitence will be tried 10 minnits into the film. This is a personal criteria which was born out by "Saving Ryan's Privates". Yes, war is terrible, isn't it? Yes, people do die horribly, don't they? Yes, there is neccesity in violence, isn't there? Governments are based on sophistry, right? Blah, blah, woof, woof. The fact is, I can see this every morning on the news. I can see it every night on the news. I can see it during my workday if I point my browser at a news site. Grouch, grouch, gritch.) I was raised in midwestern America during the late 60-s and mid 70-s, which was a simple land. The roles were clear regarding the major powers in WWII: Americans were the smartest and most honest, the British were the most proper and the funniest, the French were useless but passionate, and the Italians were great cooks and equally passionate, but the Nazis (not Germans) were a bunch of brainless, bloodless zombie tossers. I miss those days. (No, you do not hear Joe Cocker singing "With A Little Help From My Friends" in the background.) Just to annoy Eb (further), my take on the Hair shirt... er, thread... I used to wear my hair quite long (not quite to my waist). And I got all kinds of reactions-- everything to "oooh, you have beautiful hair" to "get a fuckin' haircut". Fact is, it's a bastid to take care of! It took ages to dry, and on VERY cold winter days my hair would simply be full of ice by the time I got to work or home. But the worst was the summer. The heat was really uncomfortable. I remember sitting watching a White Sox game one July afternoon, thinking "Jesus, my head itches, it's all this damn hair." So, I went walking and got my haircut at the first barbershop I stumbled into. "What do you mean, you want to cut your hair off?" the stylist cried out. "Look, lady, it's only hair and I'm sick of it. Dispose of it, please," I told her. I've never dyed my hair cos that would mean maintenance. As long as my hair isn't a haven for badgers, it can stay pretty much as it is. And I promise no more follicular tales. Ever. Oh, my... Normal Fell died... Look after yerselves... - -Ed, Doc, just another hour until exit... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:24:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: bastard child Why is it that any post about the general Feg community *inevitably* contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;) Eb, *still* coughing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:25:17 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: Spewelborg and movies > >About Spielberg and ET. I had the same experience as K. I will use the >following expression with joy: > >I Fuckin' hate ET! At the risk of pissing a lot of people off, or at least completely isolating myself from the wonderful people on this list whom I've never yet met, I thought ET was and still is a marvellous achievement. I recently watched it again with my five-year-old son, and while "penis-breath" isn't a phrase I'd be begging for him to latch on to, both us us were able to sit and truly get lost in the experience. Maudlin? Perhaps... But one of the main themes expressed throughout the film, concerning the innate longing we have for connection outside and in, is as timeless as timelessness itself. Is there anyone else out there that would admit to appreciating and enjoying the film, and actually being moved by it? Hell, Wizard of Oz might be said to be maudlin, but it's still an amzing piece of work... But go ahead, shred... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:27:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Random Thread Response >Oh, my... Normal Fell died... Typo of the week. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:37:54 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist > > > God knows, I'm more than left-leaning, and love > > a rousing labor song or two, but I do not seek reinforcement of my > > politcal ideals from RH. What do y'all think? > > I think I'm in love. Well, just remember to be straight about it. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:40:54 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: Re: Spewelborg and movies Daniel barked alone: >But go ahead, shred... I certainly can't argue with your opinion. More people agree with you than with me on this. I am glad to see that a movie, especially one in the mainstream can touch people in such a positive way. My opinion has only to do with the way I responded to that particular stimuli. It didn't reach me on the same level as it did you. Perhaps I need to go back to the factory. Hope my poor job of shredding doesn't ruin the whole day... Happies again, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, VIV LYON wrote: > For my part, apart from notables like "The President" and the lines > from "Dancing on God's Thumb" - 'We've got a bunch of crippled loonies > in power,' etc., the man does not use his music as a lectern from > which to preach at us. God knows, I'm more than left-leaning, and love > a rousing labor song or two, but I do not seek reinforcement of my > politcal ideals from RH. What do y'all think? Well, there's "Brenda's Iron Sledge". Personally, that bit of "Dancing on God's Thumb" strikes me more as a punk-style 'I hate the system' than any sort of mature political statement. Rating RH as a political artist because of that would be along the lines of rating the Sex Pistols as a political band because of 'Anarchy in the UK'. And part of the reason some of us don't seem political is because political arguments tend to get long and boring, with neither side being convinced of anything. We've had a few of those. I don't know how conservative or liberal the list is, on average, but I imagine that it has folks from all over the spectrum (actually, I've yet to see any really extreme conservatives around, but they may just be too polite to say anything extremely political.) And I'm going to make you-all guess what kind of hair I have. now playing-The Goon Show (Seagoon: If you don't finish draining the Thames river by Wednesday, the government is going to step in. Gryptype-Thyppe: And I say good riddance to them.) Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:48:59 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, VIV LYON wrote: > 1. Are people on this list political? That is, are they actively > interested in politics, and if so, is the predominant leaning left? > 2. Could Robyn be considered a political songwriter? > > I argued that with the sole exception of Mr. Tews, no one on this list > seems to be particularly political- at least, not so's you'd notice. Well, Eddie does seem to be the most *actively* political member of the list. However, most of the rest of us also have our political opinions, and occasionally an eye-gouging kneecap-smashing take-no-prisoners political discussion will erupt. It has been a long time since the last one, though. Come to think of it Eddie is the only list member who regularly posts political commentary, usually in the form of a passing comment in a post about something else. And haven't some of the political debates since I've been here seem to have started when someone else (like me) responded to one of these passing comments? Maybe other people don't include political comments in their posts because they don't want to spark yet another debate? Hmmm.... > Dave seemed to think we had a lot of lefties here. It's all relative. Compared to the average American, for example, most of us are bomb-throwing anarchists. Compared to Eddie Tews, most of us are drooling Rush Limbaugh fans. > On point two, we raised our voices and I raised my fist once, but put > it back down hastily. Dave seems to think Robyn is an (occasionally) > political songwriter, pointing to "1974"- 'You could vote for labor > but you can't anymore.' > For my part, apart from notables like "The President" and the lines > from "Dancing on God's Thumb" - 'We've got a bunch of crippled loonies > in power,' etc., the man does not use his music as a lectern from > which to preach at us. God knows, I'm more than left-leaning, and love > a rousing labor song or two, but I do not seek reinforcement of my > politcal ideals from RH. What do y'all think? On this point I'd agree with you more than Dave. I think Robyn does have political convictions, of a leftist bent, but I wouldn't call him a political songwriter. To me that term calls up images of Billy Bragg, Rage Against the Machine, and MDC -- acts whose *primary* concerns are political. Robyn's political views occasionally pop up in his songs, but not as often as his views on sex, death, and marine biology. Maybe this is what you meant by calling him an "(occasionally) political songwriter", Dave? At any rate, RH is not primarily a political songwriter, nor is he preachy. I can only think of a couple of political songs that Robyn has (as opposed to ones like "1974" that are only partly political). Vivien mentioned "The President," and I would add "The Devil's Radio." What do people think about "Filthy Bird"? Is this song about the Gulf War, or what? There's the bit about "watching massacres on cable," which certainly brings to mind the "CNN War." - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:28 PST From: "Daniel Barkhouse" Subject: Re: Spewelborg and movies > >About Spielberg and ET. I had the same experience as K. I will use the >following expression with joy: > >I Fuckin' hate ET! At the risk of pissing a lot of people off, or at least completely isolating myself from the wonderful people on this list whom I've never yet met, I thought ET was and still is a marvellous achievement. I recently watched it again with my five-year-old son, and while "penis-breath" isn't a phrase I'd be begging for him to latch on to, both us us were able to sit and truly get lost in the experience. Maudlin? Perhaps... But one of the main themes expressed throughout the film, concerning the innate longing we have for connection outside and in, is as timeless as timelessness itself. Is there anyone else out there that would admit to appreciating and enjoying the film, and actually being moved by it? Hell, Wizard of Oz might be said to be maudlin, but it's still an amzing piece of work... But go ahead, shred... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:48:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Tres Hodge Du Podge All extracted text courtesy of Capuchin: >PB&J is very dear to me. PB&H is right up there. (This is all when I >don't have the time to make a proper sandwich, mind you, with vegetables >and good sourdough.) Hear, hear! I've found lately, though, that PB&J doesn't fill me up like it used to. Two sandwiches for lunch, and I'm still hungry. It sounds weird, but I'm a big PB & banana fan, and PB & alfalfa sprouts is good, too. >Requirements for good PB&J: >Adam's No-Stir All Natural Peanut Butter. I always have a jar of each >(creamy and crunchy) in the cupboard. Git outta town! Adam's No-Stir is the SMACK! I keep 3 jars in my cupboard. I'm far more partial to crunchy, though. Unfortunately, my neighborhood grocery is the Stadium Freddy's, and for some perverse reason, they only carry the regular Adam's (not no-stir) so I have to chase all over town whenever I'm running low. >While it's not a J really at all, I use Danish Orchards preserves. I >usually have at least two varieties in the fridge. At the moment, it's >seedless blackberry and seedless raspberry (does anyone make cranberry >jelly? Does anyone who makes jelly at home have some tips for a cranberry >attempt?). My mum makes jam, actually, which is my spread of choice on PB & J's. She and I have a deal: if I pick the berries she'll make them into jam. So I've got a jar of homemade strawberry in my fridge and a jar of homemade raspberry in my freezer. I'm going to have to actually buy a jar or two to get me through to the next berry season, though. I'll ask her about cranberry jam next time I see her, and let you know. Cranberry sauce might be as close as it really gets, though. >Bread is open to taste. I personally think cheap bread is best for PB&J. >I use either a cracked wheat or a butter-top white. Sure, squooshy bread works well. If it's creamy style peanut butter, the squooshier, the better. >Titanic was certainly not the WORST movie of the year. The worst was >"Where The Air Is Cool And Dark". Oh FUCK that movie sucked. I mean BAD. >ALMOST worth seeking as a bad movie, but not quite. I enjoyed Titanic. I saw it in the first week after it opened, had a good time, and didn't think about it again. So I was quite obviously not heavily influenced by the cult that grew up around it. And anyway, I find Kate Winslet rather appealing, though it'll be interesting to see what happens when she moves to a role that isn't exactly like the one she had in Heavenly Creatures and Sense and Sensibility. Even her Ophelia was cut of the same cloth as those two. Which is not to say that I don't think that she has the chops to play a broad variety of roles; just that it hasn't happened much yet. I saw two hideous movies at the Portland International Film Festival, out of the 27 total that I caught. I'll just leave it at that, because they probably won't show up near any of you. And because I'm trying to suppress their memory. *shudder* Gigs in 1998: Yeah, I enjoyed Robyn's Alladin gig quite a bit myself. It was nice to hear his enthusiasm for the region. Plus, I had caught him three times on the previous tour, so it was nice to finally see a new set list. Catching Los Lobos on a summer night outside at the Oregon Zoo was a highlight, too. I've been to concerts before where I felt like I was the most enthusiastic audience member, the only one who was actually making an effort to encourage the band. Well, this was sort of the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I was cheering my head off. In spite of that, though, it felt at times like the rest of the audience's enthusiasm would sweep me away. And it wasn't just mindless fan idolatry (as I have witnessed at certain stadium shows which will go unnamed); the boys from East LA played an inspired set. The Built To Spill show I caught in September was also a highlight. The band was tighter than the previous show that I had seen, and they seemed to be having more fun. The set had more recognizable stuff in it, too. Plus, they did this fuzzed out, speeded-up guitar-bass-drums version of Vince Guaraldi's Linus and Lucy, and their encore was Steve Miller's Take the Money and Run. :) I wish I'd had my mini-disc recorder for that show. I was lucky enough to get to go to numerous performances by some of my favorite regional musicians, including the Paperboys, Hummingfish, and Calobo. It's hard to pick a highlight from those shows, because they were almost all incredible. It's just so exciting to catch an artist at that magical point where enthusiasm is perfectly balanced with expertise (as time goes on, one tends to gain in the latter while losing the former.) Dogs I attended include Dave Matthews Band at the Rose Garden (but then I probably didn't need to tell you that.) The second Elliott Smith show seemed a little perfunctory, as well, especially compared to the wonderful vibe that he generated at his earlier 1998 Portland show. Quasi just doesn't make it for me, I'm afraid, although I have a big ol' crush on the drummer. Maybe if I had a chance to listen to their music at a slightly lower volume. Caught a band called Box Set because I wanted to see their opening act, and they were just wretched. I would recomend avoiding them at all costs unless you are in desperate need of a strong soporific, and have tried all of the less painful alternatives (Nyquil, Bob Edward's voice, a sharp blow to the head.) - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: bastard child On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Eb wrote: > Why is it that any post about the general Feg community *inevitably* > contains the phrase "...even Eb"? ;) Actually, I was thinking that when I wrote the post. That is to say, I was thinking that Eb'd be disappointed if I didn't mention him as an exception or a specific inclusion... so I did. Even Eb, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:27:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Politics >> 1. Are people on this list political? That is, are they actively >> interested in politics, and if so, is the predominant leaning left? > >Gregory is right in (oh, in so many ways) saying that you just walked in >between threads. The list is somewhat political. And yeah, folks are >predominantly left-leaning, but there are notable exceptions. >But no more left-leaning than the average person these days. Hmm. Judging from the contents of the posts that I've seen, you may have a rather skewed perception of how far left leaning the average person is these days. The lack of uproar in this forum over Robyn's "I like to imagine a church full of corpses" makes me think that we are rather far removed from the general public, who I would imagine would be up in arms about such a statement. Also, people here seem to engage in critical thinking just a bit more than normal, leading me to call into question any direct link between this population and the "general" population. Not wanting to offend anyone, but to paraphrase John Stuart Mill: "Not all conservatives are idiots, but most idiots are conservatives." >As I was just telling Quail off-list, leftism is, to me, a new kind of >catholicism. You believe it and you practice it because you feel you >should and that you're an evil person if you don't, but it only causes you >guilt and frustration and really does nothing to enrich your life. An interesting assertion. For me, my leftism is a matter of conscience. Sure, yes, my conscience can cause me guilt and frustration in the short term. But the alternative, however expedient, would be for me equivalent to nihilism (and the accompanying marmots.) Which is not to assert that Not Left=Not Moral, or that Left=Moral (I have plenty of counterexamples for both assertions.) I'm just trying to argue that "It makes me feel bad" is a crappy argument against leftism. >Me, I'm for freedom across the board. As much as I hate to see people >trampled and injustice run rampant, I can't bring myself to saying that >it's more important to help than to offer the choice to not help. Be good >and let other people be dicks. Well, this perspective is derived from moral relativism. That's when you say "These are my beliefs about conscience and principle. But, being as we are both human beings with our own set of experiences and socializations, I can't say that my beliefs are more valid than yours. Who am I to force my moral code onto you?" This is a terribly appealing stance, particularly to people of my age group, in their twenties. There are a couple of problems with it, though. For one, as I allude to above, it almost compels nihilism. If I can't say that you are acting immorally out of fear that your own code might say otherwise, why do you need to have a code at all? For another, suppose you have a belief that says that it's okay for you to kick people's shins whenever you bloody well feel like it. Suppose that I am a relativist, but I have a belief that says that it's immoral for me to just sit back and watch other people get hurt in the shins. What, as a relativist, am I to do? Just sit back and respect your beliefs, but thereby committing an immoral act by my own code? Or do I intervene and, in effect, deny my own relativism? This seems to me to be an inherent contradiction. Also, even if you are a relativist, I think that you can still make a distinction between acts that involved a moral calculus in the decision making process and those that don't. As an example, suppose that a person received a mis-delivered envelope in the mail. The envelope contains a fifty dollar bill, and has a return address. If the person elects to keep the money rather than return it, I posit that, under many circumstances, the person has not done so on the basis of ethical deliberation. So, as a relativist, you could approach that person and say, "Hey, I'm not trying to inflict my ethics on you, but where is your justification for keeping that money under your own ethical code?" I doubt that in many cases where the person kept the money that they could justify it on any ethical grounds. Thus, even though (being a relativist) you can't say that someone acted EVILLY, you can say that someone acted without an ethical framework. So, even if I can't say my framework is better than yours, I think you can say that some framework is better than no framework, because -relativism or no- that is a distinction that you CAN make. >> 2. Could Robyn be considered a political songwriter? > >I think he considers himself political. I think some people here consider >him political. But I think of him in the way that he pretends to think of >himself (and yes, I have my own idea of what Robyn IS like versus who >Robyn THINKS he is -- I did explain how I think I like Robyn's music >more than he does, didn't I?); a guy who plays guitar for a living >shouldn't be sought for political insight. Ok, this is a really confusing and convoluted paragraph, but I agree. (I think.) >Some folks are of the opinion that all art is political and with that I >would largely agree. However, I would take that just a step further and >say that art spreads ideas and shares feelings and inspires thought and >insight and those things plant seeds that are interpreted by people >completely independent of artists' intention. Hence, I believe art is >political, but pointless as a political weapon. More on this if anyone >cares at another time. Well put. I have only in the last couple years come to grapple with this very notion. In my youthful idealism, I had hoped that Art (denoting any medium you care to name) could be a tool for communicating the incommunicable, but have now realized the fallacy in this. Let me just say, however, that I _do_ believe that commonalities can be found in different people's interpretation of a piece of art inasmuch as they have been socialized by the same culture, and they have a shared humanity. Evoking this successfully... Aye, there's the rub. >> I argued that with the sole exception of Mr. Tews, no one on this list >> seems to be particularly political- at least, not so's you'd notice. >> Dave seemed to think we had a lot of lefties here. I'd be hard put to >> say more than that most of us seem 'left-leaning,' but again, it's not >> a distinguishing feature. >Yip. Time will tell. I'm not going to start trying to nail down the >distinguishing features of this list because... well, it's dumb. I will >write, however, that there are a few things fegs have always had in common >(from my point of view [of course] and over the course all the rotating >feg combinations I've seen in past years). Fegs are the nicest people >(even me and Eb and the others that rant more often than rave). Fegs are >fetishistic (fuck you guys, it's true... you're not all as >obsessive-compulsive as I am, but you all have addictive personalities and >obsessive tendencies). And, as a result of the other two, fegs hold >fegmaniax very dear. This list MATTERS to people and that simultaneously >creeps me out and makes me all warm and fuzzy. >And most of us like Robyn Hitchcock. Which, I think, supports the assertion that I made at the end of my previous paragraph. We all derive something positive from even Robyn's most obfuscative (a self-descriptive word if I ever saw one) work because of our other commonalities. We don't all like exactly the same stuff of Robyn's, but then we're not all exactly the same person, are we? >> On point two, we raised our voices and I raised my fist once, but put >> it back down hastily. Dave seems to think Robyn is an (occasionally) >> political songwriter, pointing to "1974"- 'You could vote for labor >> but you can't anymore.' >This is Robyn showing the fact that he really THINKS he's all subversive >and political and has something unique to say on the subject of politics. I think that one should be sure and add Brenda's Iron Sledge and Devil's Radio to the list of political songs. >> For my part, apart from notables like "The President" and the lines >> from "Dancing on God's Thumb" - 'We've got a bunch of crippled loonies >> in power,' etc., the man does not use his music as a lectern from >> which to preach at us. >And that's you picking up on the fact that Robyn knows deep down that he's >just a bloke with a guitar who writes songs for a bunch of people that >already like him. >> God knows, I'm more than left-leaning, and love >> a rousing labor song or two, but I do not seek reinforcement of my >> politcal ideals from RH. What do y'all think? >I think I'm in love. I agree. (With Viv's sentiment, not Jeme's. :) I don't seek any political rhetoric from Robyn. BUT, if Robyn's music is a common bond that lets me get to know someone who has similar views as I do, or can teach me new ways to articulate my politics, or even just makes me feel less depressed someday, allowing me to be a more effective activist, then it has had a political effect. And, as long as we share more between us fegs than just our affection for Robyn (and I think we do, even if it is, as Jeme asserts, rather ineffable) it is, in its own way, a focused political effect. - -Michael Wolfe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:20:50 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: bye bye Nonl NOTE TO ANY FEGS POSSIBLY PLANNING TO COME TO FELLS POINT TO SEE NUBMER NINE LINE TONIGHT AT BRASS MONKEY: DON'T. NUMBER NINE LINE HAS REACHED IT'S LAST STOP. IT IS OVER. - -back to the civilian world. -luther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:14:54 -0500 From: tanter Subject: Re: you could vote for labor...if you were a big fat communist At 11:06 AM 12/17/1998 -0800, you wrote: >a rousing labor song or two, but I do not seek reinforcement of my >politcal ideals from RH. What do y'all think? "Filthy Bird" is political. "Trams of old London" could be (remembering the days of the GLC perhaps? maybe not....) Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:22:34 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: Shitner sings? On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:16:02 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >np- William Shatner, "Mr. Tambourine Man". >Every bad thing you've heard about this song is true. AND THEN SOME!!! Do you have the album? :-) -luther ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #470 *******************************