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fegmaniax-digest     Wednesday, December 16 1998     Volume 07 : Number 467



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: "fegmania is too important to be left to the fegs."  -- robyn h., 1996  [Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.c]
  Re: Top 10 Films                    [Zloduska <kjseelna@students.wisc.edu>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #466                [toby <tsg20@hermes.cam.ac.uk>]
  Re: parking lot                                 [Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>]
  Re: Haircuts (absolutely no RH and a whole bunch of girly)  [MARKEEFE@aol.]
  rout of the clones                     [Bayard Catron <walden@eclipse.net>]
  Re: parking lot                            [lj lindhurst <ljl@echonyc.com>]
  Re: Top 10 Films                   ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: catching up (long, disorganized, perhaps a little boring)  [MARKEEFE@a]
  Re: Pinko Plugs!                   ["Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Pinko Plugs!            [Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>]
  tab                                      [Joel Mullins <skmull@swbell.net>]
  Re: catching up (long, disorganized, perhaps a little boring)  [Christophe]
  Re: tab/fegBANDS                       [Bayard Catron <walden@eclipse.net>]
  Re: Senor Steven Spielbergo & Quailmovierama!  [Christopher Donnell <qrys@]
  Re: Haircuts (absolutely no RH and a whole bunch of girly)  [Capuchin <cap]
  "Do you know of my poetry?"                    [dwdudic@erols.com (luther)]
  Re: Senor Steven Spielbergo & Quailmovierama!  ["Runion-1, Michael" <Micha]

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:36:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: "fegmania is too important to be left to the fegs."  -- robyn h., 1996

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote:
> the problem here is that eb is rarely grouchy anymore.  sarcastic, sure.  
> but not really grouchy.  i'd think of eb as snuffaluffagas because no 
> feg save sydney has ever seen him.  so i guess that means sydney would 
> have to be big bird.

Danielle... Danielle met Eb.

> <But seriously, I actually think 'South Park' will not make it
> to the new millenium...The novelty will wear off quickly, especially
> given the short attention spans of kids (and adults) these days...>
> i don't think South Park is given enough credit for being first, VERY 
> funny, and second, quite political.

eddie, nobody fucking cares about politics.

I think "leave me the fuck alone" will be the great political idea of the
next century.

> <The Treatment - "Blood Occult," "Happy Doctor Cronenberg, OB-GYN">
> VERY funny!
> <Shadout Mapes - "Fun with Imperial Geologist Kynes">
> FUNNIER STILL!!

I'm just upset that someone beat me to the name Save Ferris... I had that
one on my list nine years ago.

> for some reason, i'm getting a vision of...um, eb, what's that 
> attraction at disneyland that you have to make reservations by 4:00 am 
> if you want to get in, and it's a saloon, and you can get chili and shit 
> once you're inside, and then they have, like, an old-west-revue?  
> anyhow, that's what this evokes in my mind.  (because the saloon thingy 
> has a balcony.)

This exists?

Me and you, eddie spaghetti, we're goin' to Disneyland!

I'm fuckin' serious.  We'll hit Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, flash the mountain
camera, dump drinks off the balcony at this wild west revue thingie and
top if off with dinner at Club 33 (where we'll sneak in our own slurpees
and Funyuns).

Trying to justify the paycheck...
Je.
________________________________________________________

J A Brelin	<Capuchin@teleport.com>		Capuchin
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:20:17 -0600
From: Zloduska <kjseelna@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Films

Joel wrote:
>Well, with all this talk on films, I thought it might be interesting for
>everyone to list their favorite 10 films.  Has this been done before? 
>You guys are always turning me on to new music, so maybe you could do
>the same with movies.  And now that my semester is over, I'll actually
>be able to frequent my local video store and check out some of the
>movies that you guys consider your favorites.  

1) Wild At Heart
2) Faust/Conspirators of Pleasure (or ANYTHING by Jan Svankmajer!)
3) Like Water For Chocolate (mexican)
4) Chocolat (french)
5) Adventures of Priscilla: Queen of the Desert
6) Pillow Book
7) Heaven and Earth
8) Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (do we see a theme here?)
9) Rocky  Horror Picture Show
10) Dead Alive

~kjs

ps: please, please czech out- Jan 'da man' Svankmajer (shvank-my-er)

http://www.illumin.co.uk/svank/

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:39:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: toby <tsg20@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V7 #466

> me. I have spent half my adult life growing shit out and swearing not
> to do it again, only to get suckered in by the promise of allure and
> mystery inherent in any other color than my own. For instance, I had
> (for a total of several years) a clownish mop comprised of exactly one
> half brown hair, one half black. This is hair down to one's shoulders

Yeah, that's a good point - the number of times I've sworn *never* to
bleach my hair again, only to find myself nearly knocked unconcious by
chlorine fumes, is too many to count. And I'll undoubtably feel a fool
when I see myself on University Challenge with black and white striped
hair...

Toby, whose favourite movie is Wings Of Desire (though I've probably only
seen 15 films in the last 5 years...).

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:52:54 -0800
From: Eb <gondola@deltanet.com>
Subject: Re: parking lot

Jeme:
>> the problem here is that eb is rarely grouchy anymore.  sarcastic, sure.
>> but not really grouchy.  i'd think of eb as snuffaluffagas because no
>> feg save sydney has ever seen him.  so i guess that means sydney would
>> have to be big bird.
>
>Danielle... Danielle met Eb.

Yep, she sure did.

>> for some reason, i'm getting a vision of...um, eb, what's that
>> attraction at disneyland that you have to make reservations by 4:00 am
>> if you want to get in, and it's a saloon, and you can get chili and shit
>> once you're inside, and then they have, like, an old-west-revue?
>> anyhow, that's what this evokes in my mind.  (because the saloon thingy
>> has a balcony.)
>
>This exists?

Yes, the Golden Horseshoe Revue...there's a faint chance that it doesn't
exist anymore? Check a Disney webpage and see for sure. It is/was located
in Frontierland.

BTW, I saw "Dead Man" VERY recently, and thought it was fairly amazing.

Eb

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:30:06 EST
From: MARKEEFE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Haircuts (absolutely no RH and a whole bunch of girly)

In a message dated 98-12-16 16:21:56 EST, kjs (Kristie? no? oops?) writes:

<< And the good thing is, unlike dyeing
 your hair black or blonde, with any purple/blue/violet/fuschia shade, it
 looks good when you're growing it out, because it blends right in.  At
 least for me. >>

     I can't be the only one dying to know what your natural hair color is
now, can I?  Blends in with violet?  Hmmm . . .  Girl, if you've got hair that
blens with violet, maybe you don't even need to dye your hair! :-)

- ------Michael K., who's never even gotten highlights.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:06:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Bayard Catron <walden@eclipse.net>
Subject: rout of the clones

hi ho, kermit the feg here...

so it looks like scientists in Seoul have created the first clone with all
human cells... they aborted it quickly, however.  read all about it at
http://nt.excite.com/news/r/981216/00/news-cloning

As to good 'old Robyn', in the legendary RGW interview Robyn says (as he
has many times) he thinks it's not seemly for old men to carry on with the
rock thing for too long, with the Stones being the exception that proves
the rule, and one can't really say no to that much money, can one?  But he
said there's no reason why he and morris and andy couldn't get together
once or twice to play "Death by Moonlight" on acoustic instruments like
double bass and piano.  Sounds ok to me.

=b

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:18:26 -0500
From: lj lindhurst <ljl@echonyc.com>
Subject: Re: parking lot

>>> for some reason, i'm getting a vision of...um, eb, what's that
>>> attraction at disneyland that you have to make reservations by 4:00 am
>>> if you want to get in, and it's a saloon, and you can get chili and shit
>>> once you're inside, and then they have, like, an old-west-revue?
>>> anyhow, that's what this evokes in my mind.  (because the saloon thingy
>>> has a balcony.)
>>
>>This exists?
>
>Yes, the Golden Horseshoe Revue...

Yes, that is EXACTLY what it was like.  Especially after Q downed four
martinis and insisted on "cleaning his gun" during the concert. (really I
know he was just trying to intimidate those imposing Japanese girls
standing behind us)

oh, and eddie, I'd love to go see Dan Bern tonight, but we have tickets to
a play.  (we're seeing "Killer Joe" with Scott Glenn and Amanda
Plummer)(bragbragbrag)

- -Miss Kitty

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:31:12 PST
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Films

<Well, with all this talk on films, I thought it might be interesting 
for
everyone to list their favorite 10 films.  Has this been done before?>

yes, spring o' '97:


there were a total of 316 movies named on 49 lists.
for ranked lists, i gave 10 points for a first place vote, down to 1 
point for a tenth place vote.
for unranked lists, i gave 5.5 points for each movie. (the sum of 1 
through 10, divided by 10.)  for unranked lists with fewer than 10 
movies, i still gave 5.5 points, because i didn't want to deal with 
fractions smaller than 1/2.  
here are the movies that scored at least 10.5 points:


 1. Brazil  (86.5)
 2. 2001  (60.5)
 3. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (47)
 4. Bladerunner (42)
 5. Dr. Strangelove (38)
 6. Three Colors: Red (34.5)
 7. Apocalypse Now (34)
 8. A Clockwork Orange (33.5)
 9. Blue Velvet (31)
10. Casablanca (30)
11. This Is Spinal Tap (28.5)
12. Raising Arizona (28)
13. A Hard Day's Night
      Star Wars (27.5)
15. Bedazzled (26.5)
16. Heathers (25.5)
17. Lawrence of Arabia (25)
18. Being There (23.5)
19. Wings of Desire (22.5)
20. Citizen Kane (21.5)
21. Clerks
      My Life As A Dog (20)
23. 12 Monkeys (18.5)
24. Dead Man Walking
      Repo Man (18)
26. Whitnail and I (17)
27. Eraserhead
      The Princess Bride
      Trainspotting
      The Wizard of Oz (16.5)
31. Alien
      Harold and Maude
      The Life of Brian (16)
34. The Loved One (15.5)
35. Rashomon (15)
36. Amadeus
      Goodfellas (14.5)
38. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (14)
39. Godfather I & II
      The Player
      The Shawshank Redemption (13.5)
42. Rumble in the Bronx
43. Barton Fink
      Total Recall (12.5)
45. Henry V (Branagh)
      Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (12)
47. Taxi Driver
      Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (11.5)
49. The City of Lost Children
      Manhattan
      Pulp Fiction
      Rear Window (11)
53. Naked
      Silence of the Lambs
      Vertigo (10.5) 

additionally, rosso had the brilliant idea of publicising each and every 
feg's list.  so they were all typed in -- not all at once, however.  if 
i were commander lang, i'd personally go through the archives and find 
them all for you, joel.  but i'm not commander lang.  miles had the best 
list (apart from myself, of course!!)

and speaking of outdoorminer:
<And by the way, BABE was my
favorite film of 1995, bar none.>

it was certainly the best film nominated.  i was genuinely shocked when 
Braveheart won the oscar (but that was probably naive.)
don't think i could say i liked Babe better than The Usual Suspects, 
though.


<So what we have here is a necessary 
conflict>

it was only "necessary" if we accept capitalism.  but we've been all 
down this road before.


<And another point of that film were the Germans. Never has the "other," 
the enemy, been so compassionately portrayed.>

how about La Grand Illusion?


<This exists?>

it exists, yes.  not nearly so bitchin' as "country bear jamboree."  in 
fact, not really bitchin' at all.  but it does exist.


<Me and you, eddie spaghetti, we're goin' to Disneyland!

I'm fuckin' serious.>

i'm fuckin' THERE!  but why stop here?  how about a friggin' fegfest at 
disneyland!  we'd rip that fuckin' place to shreds!  


<We'll hit Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, flash the mountain
camera, dump drinks off the balcony at this wild west revue thingie and
top if off with dinner at Club 33 (where we'll sneak in our own slurpees
and Funyuns).>

you left out the part about finding all the trap doors?!


eddie "all important movie poll" tews (yes, eb, i thought that was 
pretty good.  but i do prefer eddie "tool time" tews, even though i only 
ever saw one episode of Home Improvement --four or five years ago when i 
was laid up with the chicken pox-- and my reaction was that i would 
rather be forced to drink a gallon of tang "every hour on the hour" for 
all eternity than to have to watch that "show" ever again.)

np, toy dolls ANTHOLOGY.  i keep forgetting how great these guys were!

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:13 EST
From: MARKEEFE@aol.com
Subject: Re: catching up (long, disorganized, perhaps a little boring)

In a message dated 98-12-16 16:35:38 EST, you write:

<< Michael K. complained about the interview scene near the end of LA
 Confidential.  I think this scene served a useful purpose beyond
 recounting the plot for us: it emphasized the contrast between the true
 story, as recounted in the interview room, and the false one immediately
 afterwards at Exley's commendation ceremony. >>

     Yeah, but, the entire rest of the movie up until the commendation
ceremony would also serve the exact same point.  In fact, if irony was
intended by the fimmakers here, then they're giving their audience even less
credit.  They think that we will have forgotten the entire movie before the
last scene comes and that we will have then missed how cutely ironic they were
being!
     By the way, I don't want to fall in with the crowd accused of dissing
movies based on one flaw.  Like I've said, I'm a pretty easy-going film
critic.  "L.A. Confidential" was a pretty good movie; worth watching, for
sure.  Better than at least 60% of the movies that came out that year, I'd
guess.  I just didn't find it as brilliant as so many others did.  And I was
most frustrated by the ways in which I felt like the moviemaking team in
question shot themselves in the foot toward the end of the movie (in ways I've
already mentioned).  Over-stating your point is a pet peeve of mine.  I mean,
it really is.  I just hate it.  Bugs me to no end.  It just gets under my skin
and starts to fester, like . . . like a . . . oh, right, sorry.  Anyway.  I
just wish they'd left us with a little more to chew on after leaving the
theater, because I can honestly say that, other than occasions like these when
people have brought it up, I haven't much thought about it since seeing it.
Oh well.  Plenty of under-rated great movies out there, too.

- ------Michael K.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:44:14 PST
From: "Capitalism Blows" <etews@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pinko Plugs!

<eddie, nobody fucking cares about politics.>

be that as it may...i've read quite a few analyses of the asian 
eco-nomic debacle, and judging by part 1 in the december Z, robin 
hahnel's may well turn out to be the best of them all.   check it out!  
(also, doug henwood's in the left business observer, and the one in 
monthly review whose author's name i've forgotten were very good.)

and the new Baffler is out (#11, "Middletown Delenda Est.")  this 
magazine just keeps getting better and better.  it'd be right up there 
with the might anderson valley advertiser if it came out more 
frequently.

"So.  You think there's something *subversive* about pleasure.  You've 
read the cultural studies books, you've sat through the lectures, and 
now you're convinced that when you enjoy yourself, you're not just 
having fun, you're sticking it to the man.
"Well, we at The Baffler disagree.  And thats' why we've constructed a 
magazine that goes out of its way to neutralize all those things that 
give you such joy.  Our authors can't just enjoy TV shows -- they have 
to *interrogate* them!  When they peruse books and magazines -- they 
*nearly always hate 'em!*  And don't even metnion the music industry -- 
*grrr!*
"That's why we've made The Baffler so extraordinarily difficult to read.  
Those long, tortuous sentences; those phalanxes of semi-colons and ranks 
of commas; that positively Prussian layout -- all *scientifically 
designed* to deny you the pleasures you expect from such a 
literary-looking text. 
"Call in an airstrike of your own.  Individual subscriptions to The 
Baffler Magazine:  $20.00 for four issues; $36.00 for eight.  Please 
verify the number with which you would like the bombardment to begin."

P.O. Box 378293
Chicago, IL 60637


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:51:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pinko Plugs!

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote:

[quoting The Baffler]
> "That's why we've made The Baffler so extraordinarily difficult to read.  
> Those long, tortuous sentences; those phalanxes of semi-colons and ranks 
> of commas; that positively Prussian layout -- all *scientifically 
> designed* to deny you the pleasures you expect from such a 
> literary-looking text. 

You mean readers don't like long, tortuous sentences with phalanxes of
semicolons?  Uh, oh....


- --Chris

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:49:39 -0800
From: Joel Mullins <skmull@swbell.net>
Subject: tab

Does anyone know where to find some more Robyn guitar tablature, besides
what's on the Fegmaniax site?  A friend of mine has been learning
Chinese Water Python and there's a few parts he's had trouble figuring
out, so he wants a little help.  Let me know if you know where to find
the tab to that song.

- --Joel

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:02:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Gross <chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: catching up (long, disorganized, perhaps a little boring)

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote:

> << Michael K. complained about the interview scene near the end of LA
>  Confidential.  I think this scene served a useful purpose beyond
>  recounting the plot for us: it emphasized the contrast between the true
>  story, as recounted in the interview room, and the false one immediately
>  afterwards at Exley's commendation ceremony. >>
> 
>      Yeah, but, the entire rest of the movie up until the commendation
> ceremony would also serve the exact same point.  In fact, if irony was
> intended by the fimmakers here, then they're giving their audience even less
> credit.  They think that we will have forgotten the entire movie before the
> last scene comes and that we will have then missed how cutely ironic they were
> being!

But there was more to it than just hitting us with the irony of it all. 
First of all, it was a recurring theme throughout the movie, so why not
let it recur one more time? ... But more importantly, this final truth/lie
contrast at the end of the movie shows the audience that the system hasn't
changed.  Ed Exley isn't going to spill the story to the papers and blow
the LAPD wide open; he's going to keep quiet and use his silence as
leverage to climb the ladder of power.  The only other alternative shown
is to quit the game altogether and move to a small town, as Bud White
does.  So the interview scene does more than repeat what already came
before; paired with the ceremony immediately after, it helps to maintain
the movie's tragic, noir-ish tone.  'Course that still doesn't mean you
have to like it....


- --Chris (posting three times in one day!)

______________________________________________________________________
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chrisg@gwu.edu

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:25:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Bayard Catron <walden@eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: tab/fegBANDS

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Joel Mullins wrote:

> Does anyone know where to find some more Robyn guitar tablature, besides
> what's on the Fegmaniax site?  A friend of mine has been learning
> Chinese Water Python and there's a few parts he's had trouble figuring
> out, so he wants a little help.  Let me know if you know where to find
> the tab to that song.

Actually, work is soon to begin on going through the robyn tabs and making
them right.  Working on them will be:

The inimitable Ross Overbury!
The incomparable JH3!
The incognito "Other Dave from Australia"!
The incredible Eric Loehr!
The very emotional and furry Dolph!

and now, the incorrigible Joel Maxy Mullins!

and one or two others too!

If you're interested, contact rosso@cn.ca - he's in charge!

ALSO-

If you are in a band, and it has a URL, please email me said URL!  I'm
doing the feg bands page!  And btw, Quailie, I think MY feglist is bigger
than yours.. so neener, neener, neener!

=b

sorry.  that was uncalled for!  it's not easy being green

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:53:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Donnell <qrys@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Senor Steven Spielbergo & Quailmovierama!

- ---The Great Quail <quail@panix.com> wrote:

> Yeah, Spielberg's biggest *technical* weakness. He still loves John 
> Williams, who has become a sentimental hack, and the music is far too 
> intrusive and, well, phoney sweet mushy bland. I am sick of Williams' 
> incorporation of themes -- Jewish, African, whatever -- into his
scores. 

What about Star Wars man!  Star Wars rocks out!
Da-da-da da da!  Da-da-da da da!
But hey.. what about that nutty star wars bar...


> (And hell, even Kubrik, Scorsese and Coppola have had a few klunkers.)

Do I hear a 'Barry Lyndon' from the crowd?


> But except for the first five, these change frequently. . . . oh,
what 
> about Prospero's Books; The Cook the Thief his Wife and her Lover; 
> Brazil; La Dolce Vita; Kundun; Into the West; Kenneth Branagh's
"Hamlet;" 

Prospero's Books.. man that's a real doozy.

Brazil's cool though..  Probably my favorite film after Star Wars (all
three count as one film).  Gilliam is definately my favorite film
maker.  

Ummm.. and Johnathan Demme too.. he made a good film this year. 
Something about a Storefront Cockfight or something.  Yeah.

Welp, I's gotta go pay the rent.


NP: nothing.

==
Christopher Donnell
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 at http://www.bigfoot.com/~qrys



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:55:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Capuchin <capuchin@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Haircuts (absolutely no RH and a whole bunch of girly)

I feel I must comment on hair and quote heavily from previous posts.  This
is skippable (as opposed to everything else I write for this list).

I think this is particularly fun because I have absolutly no right to
comment on hair and coifing.  I mean, look at this head!  Mark and Donne
questioned me on it for a good fifteen minutes.  I can tell if someone's
going to be cool if they don't mention my hair within the first week we
know one another.  (Um... that's not to imply Mark and Donne aren't cool.
I considered them friends long before we met.  We had Assumed Intimacy.)

I think eddie should grow hair.  That would be neat.  I'd like to see what
he did with it.  Leaving it shaggy would just be disappointing and glum
but any do he did would be totally unexpected.  How can such a hirsute
fellow seem so natural shaven?

On the title: Girly is good.  Do not be ashamed of girly.  I know I'm not.

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, VIV LYON wrote:
> Speaking as one who has done every single shade between platinum  
> blonde and midnight black, I must tell all neophytes NOT TO DO IT!
> Hair dye is a monster that you're better off not wrangling with. Trust
> me. I have spent half my adult life growing shit out and swearing not
> to do it again, only to get suckered in by the promise of allure and  
> mystery inherent in any other color than my own. For instance, I had  
> (for a total of several years) a clownish mop comprised of exactly one
> half brown hair, one half black. This is hair down to one's shoulders 
> we're talking about here. I'd try to grow it out and then give up and 
> dye it again. Feh. Now it's my own peculiar chestnut brown with subtle
> blue highlights ('struth) and it's gonna stay that way. Until I get
> grey hairs. Which is when I'm scheduled to go into denial.

I think I hit upon a lucky insight or something.  I decided this without
experimentation.  It's sound.  Viv is smart.  Phew.

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 Mark_Gloster@3com.com wrote:
> I can also speak from experience. Hair dye can be a very
> bad thing. As beautiful as my hair is, I don't know if it
> ever completely recovered from the "blonding incident."
> It looked stupid. It made me look like a housewife from a
> trailer park, or Sammy Hagar, which I could have been
> saying the same thing. It took ages to get all the
> brittle yellow out of my hair. It didn't look like the
> color that we thought it would be.....

YES!  I want to see a bleach blonde Poison-esque Mark Gloster!

Ian said yesterday that "Mark Gloster is like a fucking heavy metal Tiny
Tim!  I can't think of the guy without envisioning him on one of those
airport luggage carts -- hopped up on quualudes <spell that? -J.> --
driving into old people.  He's a nutball!"

I tried to disagree.  Mark, you're going to have to come up and talk to
Ian some time.  Leave the depressants at home.

> Also, cutting my hair short was virtually disasterous for
> me as well. People will abide a clown with long hair for
> much greater quantities of time than they will one with
> short hair. I have an odd shaped head, and feel more like
> a hippie than one of these kids these days, so I don't
> think I'll be shaving it soon.

Wow... short hair Mark!  I'm only imagining Mark with the Queen Elvis
Mohawk (thanks, Susan).  I can't give him a casual short cut.

YIPES!  I just put Mike Mills hair on our Sharkfriend.  Spooky.

> Long hair is great on almost everyone, but the more things
> they do to it, the worse it usually looks. Comb-overs are
> hilarious. Gray hair looks cool. I'm planning on accepting
> what additional things aging brings me.

No no no no no!  I'm sorry Viv (and Mark) but my Long Hair was a BAAAD
thing!  See, I've got these odd cowlicks that are very subtle and just
kind of pleasant in most places on my head, but when my hair grows out I
get these huge soft curls.

Flipping through old photos, a prospective friend said "Is that you with
the yo-yo?  Nice Cindy Crawford hair!"

I was mortified.  I'm blaming this for our lack of future spark.

> By the way, Glen looks really good with shaved or short
> hair, but he lacks those giant cranial indentations that
> make my head look like an ash tray and make my IQ like a
> negative number.

It's very much like a negative number, only differently signed.

> I don't know what Robyn should do to his hair, but doing
> something might be good.

Yeah... something.

Having said all that, I've always wanted three different things to happen
with my hair.

Back when I used to keep it all shaved and short around the sides and
back, I wanted to get it dyed a black and white checker.  The fellow who
used to cut my hair (and whose departure from the biz caused me to lead
this revolt that is now afixed to my scalp) would have a different cut and
dye job every time I saw him and one day it was this big bright red mohawk
with black checks on the sides.  It was keen and he said he could do it
for me, but I was in the middle of switching jobs and... well, you know.

I've also always wanted blue/black hair like Superman.  I don't know why.

Before I cut what's here now (whenever that is), I think I'm going to
either do a very light blue tint over the whole thing (so it's
highlightlike) or just color The Atrocity (as I've named that one patch of
my head) some great unnatural hue until the color grows out a few inches
and is cuttable.

Thank you for listening.

Fun fun fun in the fluffy chair,
Je.
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J A Brelin	<Capuchin@teleport.com>		Capuchin
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:32:23 GMT
From: dwdudic@erols.com (luther)
Subject: "Do you know of my poetry?"

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:43:56 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Hell yes!!  Dead Man is definitely one of the best films of the past
>decade.  As opposed to Schindler's List, Dead Man made me feel things
>I'd never felt before.
> 
That was a GREAT film...the whole subtext of the poet William Blake's
idea of the jounrey from innocence to experience...wow...

	Visually stunning too..
	Favorite scene- When Nobody sees a skull on William Blake's
face...

	And yeah, Neil just keeps going...also, Willie Nelson! He's
65! He's STILL good!
	as for people in their 50's, well, my feelings about Patti
Smith and Richard Thompson are well known on this list...:-)

	-luther (who is sorta wondering what Muppet *i* would be...)

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:41:16 -0500
From: "Runion-1, Michael" <Michael.Runion-1@pp.ksc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Senor Steven Spielbergo & Quailmovierama!

Quail opined...

>>Yes, I couldn't agree more. I despise the way Steven Spielberg has become
so damn manipulative. But I don't think it was colorized just to show you
that it was the same girl, I think it was colorized to "heighten" the
(melo)drama. It was an artistic choice, not a "nudge the audience" choice,
and I think it failed because of its intrusive and maudlin character. There
were three major flaws in "Schindler's List" to me: that bit of color, the
phoney penultimate "I coulda saved more Jews" scene, and the "modern" ending
sequence. I think it would have been much more powerful if those elements
were removed. Spielbergo needs to *trust* his audiences a bit more -- or at
least, trust his material.<<

I didn't include the rest of your post, Quail, but thank you for shining a
bit of moderating light though this extremely divided forest.  I like
Spielberg.  I don't love him, but I don't hate him either.  He's made crap
movies (The Lost World) and, in my opinion, stunning movies (Shindler's
List, Saving Private Ryan, Jaws).  Hey, and wasn't he Exec Producer of
Gremlins?  There you go...  :)

Let me enter this fray by saying I didn't have a problem with the
red-dressed girl in Shindlers.  I can see what you all are saying, but for
me, it achieved what it set out to do: namely to shift my gears even
momentarily from thinking of the Holocaust as an event that happened to a
group of 6 million plus faceless people to the realization that the
Holocaust was a personal horror that happened to single, solitary
individuals just like myself.  Maybe I'm dense and easily-conned by
Hollywood tricks, but for me, after two or three hours of SL, my senses and
feelings were so...dulled?  frazzled?  heightened?...that a slow pan over
hundreds of dead bodies couldn't shock me any more...but the quick site
again of the red-girl, now dead, shoved it all one step higher.  Call it
gimickery, call it artifice, but I don't think it deserves to be like
totally panned.  

And we need to reconsider just what is Spielberg's "audience"...some of us
fancy ourselves intellectually sound and travel into the city to take in the
latest indie film, but others are content with the ABC Movie of the Week and
a couple of Blockbuster rentals a week.  As I exited the theatre, all I
heard around me from my Cocoa, Florida brethren was "What was that old red
thing about, huh?"   

Mike, torn between the suave sophisticate he wants to be and the corn-pone
redneck he is.

p.s.  What if the girl had been wearing a Hitchcock t-shirt?  Ah ha, then it
would have worked!! 
Mike Runion
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