From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #464 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 07 : Number 464 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Muppet-Fegmania! ["Bret" ] non RH content -- elliott smith [Robert Thompson ] Re: Latest RH merchandise [mrrunion@palmnet.net] plugzy doats and doezy doats ["Chaney, Dolph L" ] Re: 'cause he's a mean motor-scooter and a bad go-getter [amadain ] Re: Mountainfo ["Matthew Knights" ] Re: "you mind shuttin' your fuckin' mouth?" -- raymond [The Great Quail ] Re: I can't fuckin' think of one [amadain ] the well-made-farce( play or no) [LORDK@library.phila.gov] Re: Latest RH merchandise (that I got my grubby mitts on) [VIV LYON ] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [dmw ] Re: contagion [dmw ] Re: Latest RH merchandise (that I got my grubby mitts on) ["Daniel Saunde] Re: Latest RH merchandise [VIV LYON ] Re: Pac Man Fever (LA Confidential w/ spoiler) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: I am not a muppet! (sigh) [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [Michael Wolfe ] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [Capuchin ] take a knock on our door [Eb ] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [Tom Clark ] Re: Muppet-Fegmania! [MARKEEFE@aol.com] various subjects, Robyn content up front ["Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! and those crazy hoppy Koozbanians, ring! ring! ring! >uh-huh, uh-huh, yup yup yup yup yup Bariiiing.....Bariiiing....... fark! the people in the office are looking at me strange now.......bariiiing!!!!that twas the best thing I ever witnessed a muppet doing. - -bret yup....yupyupyupyupyup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:33:21 -0500 From: Robert Thompson Subject: non RH content -- elliott smith Hey all -- It's been discussed here before, but all of ES' albums, in my opinion, are very strong. They include two before Either/Or and XO, which is one of the best of the past year. Heatmiser is much more along the grunge lines, though the last album, Mic City Sons, is a fine effort that is stripped down and is very similar to the solo material. I'd recommend all of them. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:34:44 -0800 From: mrrunion@palmnet.net Subject: Re: Latest RH merchandise J Partridge wrote: > So I got my Floating Pen yesterday - the one you can order from > the Musee du Robyn Hitchcock. A bit of a misnomer really as the > pen doesn't float but the image of a red tomato, responding to > the force of gravity, gently slides between a leaf-surrounded > hand and its perch on the tomato-wand. On the back is Robyn's > signature, black-and-white striped, and a miniature cartoon > of the tomato-wand saying "Yip!". I like it - it's more in > tune with RH fancifulness (like the beautiful cones) than the > aggressive 80's style merchandising of the Thoth watch. Mmm, > nothing touches a good cone. I ordered 4 of the wonderous things in anticipation of the now-upon-us Christmas Season. Now...everyone...listen quietly... THEY COME IN DIFFERENT COLORS! (Weenies sigh...are you listening? In the lane, weenies shivering....) I got one black, two green, and one putrid light purple puke colored one. Guess which one I'm keepin'! So, what other colors are out there? Huh? Huh? Mike (feeling oddly nauseous, like he's about to go through bloody withdrawals yet again) __________________________________________ Sent using WebInbox. "Your email gateway." Check us out at http://www.webinbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:45:16 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: plugzy doats and doezy doats PART TWO: Glark Shoster & Mig Bubber Rark I was worried about this record because: * I have a low tolerance for MIDI. * I am not so into Stan Ridgway. However, I did find the Ridgway/Crimso/NIN/Robyn cocktail an interesting proposition (as opposed to an interesting preposition, like "beyond" for example). So what the hey said I. Congratulations, Shig Bubber Mark! This is one hummin' rekkid. See, my problem with MIDI has been its general tinniness, triggering bad memories of hours waiting for my parents in KMart by dinking with the Casiotones. Past TMBG, I lose interest in lo-budget MIDI (except for Vic Chesnutt's Casio-fied "Little Vacation," which is just Too Good a juxtaposition). What I go for in production is texture, and Mark's got a very full-sounding, textured production going here, with unexpectedly strong low-end resonance. He throws in a lot of personnel variety too, with acoustic songs and live-band songs in there as well, and I tend to like that a lot. He's also a much better singer than His Man Stan, methinks. He doesn't croon quite as smoothly here as on his cover of "Higsons," but it still sounds better to these ears than Stannage. And the songs are memorable, witty, infectious, thought-out, and fun -- literate but wank-free. A couple of years ago, I struck up an e-mail correspondence with Mike Keneally, an ex-Zappa guitarist who's made 3 or 4 solo albums now. He's a really good guy, and his first record, (hat), is quite good -- funny, very melodic, yet full of chops-heavy rock guitar. But it was also overly cute, too show-offy, betraying its influences a bit too readily (Zappa and XTC, also a whole song/dialogue called "Eno And The Actor"), and lacking in emotional authenticity (I should point out that it was partially sponsored by the magazine "GUITAR For The Practically Moronic"). Well, Mark's record is basically how I *wanted* (hat) to sound. (cue up absurd live-album applause from... let's see... ah! Al DiMeola's _Tour De Force Live_) You should buy this CD three minutes ago. Dolph aka Rowlf? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:06:54 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: I can't fuckin' think of one >or how about c) you don't really have any fucking desire to buy a >fucking twenty litre jug of shampoo every fucking hour on the fucking >hour; and/or you could do without having to spend forty-five fucking >minutes drying your fucking hair every fucking day? Yeah, but if you're a girl with a shaved head, everyone calls you Sinead O'Connor, which gets pretty lame after a while. Also, another problem with the shaved look: sunburned ears. It also means no fun with hair dye! (Trying out every possible shade of red on my hair has been the highlight of my year.) >contrived. (The cowboy in "Big L"> > >are you shitting me, quail??????? you don't like the stranger? my >fucking world is crumbling! Frankly, the Stranger would have come damn near to ruining the film for me, if the film hadn't been so awkward and silly to start with. Sorry. > > >i swear to god, i thought they were barely a step above harryhausen. >very unconvincing, if you ask me. Don't you dare even *mention* the mighty Harryhausen in the same breath as Jurassic fuckin' Park. That film epitomizes all that which sucks about Spielberg: the cute kids ("Timmy the indestructable boy," as my friend Colin called him), the idiotic plot, the one-dimensional villains (he's fat and ugly, so he must be evil!), and worst of all, the classic sappy Spielberg shot of people staring open-mouthed at something off-screen, while the music swells in the background. Bleccch. Puke. >Grover --> Natalie. I don't know why I think this. I just have the >feeling she goes off on her own little adventures and acquires her own >special sort of wisdom.... Oh, wow! Grover is my favorite character!! How did you know? I am so honored... thank you, Quail! Quail, of course, being the one who controls us all, is Jim Henson. And Dolph is definitely Sweetums. super-n., off to order the floating tomato pen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:32:27 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: 'cause he's a mean motor-scooter and a bad go-getter >>>comedy set in the upper class, usually involving an assortment of wards, >>>odd old men, battleax aunts who control the finances, and marriages. >>>Well, anyhow, I'm trying to find more of these, and I don't know where to >>>look because I don't know what they're called, if they're called anything, >>>so if you-all know of anything like this, let me know, ok? >> >>I'm not 100 percent sure, but I believe this is usually called >>"drawing-room comedy". > >Actually -- and oddly and descriptively and blandly enough -- it's called >"a well-made play." All well-made plays feature battle-ax aunts who hold the purse strings? Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:13:47 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Pac Man Fever Ben: >I disagree, if the general record buying public is extremely concerned over >sound quality, then why the success of lo-fi and grunge genres, which are >generally too noisy to tell if they're digital or analog, and the constant >sampling of scratchy records for that scratchy quality. You're talking about the underground here, though. Portishead fans aren't generally mainstream, and neither are fans of the dirtier-sounding grunge (and the vast majority of samples used in the mainstream don't include "record static" in the bargain, you know). And after all, Nevermind was DAMN well-produced, as are Pearl Jam/Stone Temple Pilots/Bush, etc etc etc. Tad and Mudhoney aren't well-produced (for instance), but then, they never went platinum, did they? And there IS no breakthrough "lo-fi" band. Michael: > Also, I think live albums were once more popular because AOR was once >more popular, too. When you're used to hearing 4 minute long guitar solos in >the middle of songs on the radio, you probably develop more (or, as a >reaction, substantially less) interest in hearing even longer solos on live >albums. There simply isn't as much soloing as there used to be; therefore, >there's probably less consumer interest in hearing a song that sounds exactly >the same as the studio version, only with some crowd noise. I'll buy that. I'm not sure about your other two points, however. Eddie: >what's the fucking matter with you, lad? you live in fuckin' los >fuckin' angeles, and you don't go to the fuckin' theaters? Datelessness has its price. And I don't live in Los Angeles -- I live in Orange County. It's a drag driving 25-30 miles to a cool Westside theater, just to sit alone for two hours. Kinda anticlimactic. I'd rather rent. Incidentally, I finally rented "LA Confidential" a couple of weeks ago, and thought it was absolutely superb. Totally exceeded my expectations, and lived up to its acclaim. Next up will probably be either "Jackie Brown" or "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas." Though I did just notice that my local video store has a derelict copy of Wim's "Hammett".... Eb, who traded back the Heatmiser CDs and Elliott Smith's two Kill Rock Stars CDs, and doesn't think Dark Side of the Moon is overrated ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:08:13 -0000 From: "Matthew Knights" Subject: Re: Mountainfo >Correction - it was the last couple of bars from 'Nantucket Sleighride' >off the album 'Nantucket Sleighride' by Mountain. Ah! Apologies for this misinformation - I'm relieved I got the band right! - great song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 16:40:05 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: "you mind shuttin' your fuckin' mouth?" -- raymond Ernie raves, after Big Bird insulted his rubber duckie, >are you shitting me, quail??????? you don't like the stranger? my >fucking world is crumbling! >you know what? i'll even give you that it's contrived. a freaking >cowboy has absolutely *no* business narrating that story, and even less >business interacting with the characters. but it's perhaps the most >briliant contrivance i've ever seen! i can't think of a character in >coen history more beloved to me than the stranger. not, i say NOT even >smalls! my god, quail, the costume ALONE could earn him that honor! >never mind the language! never mind that he drinks sasparilla! never >mind that he worships the dude! the costume afuckinglone! >i'm near tears here, man! (and if it were anyone *other* than the >quail, i'd probably have just blown it off.) Hmmm . . . hmmmm . . . you know, you make a pretty convincing case, Eddie. Yes. The Sarsaparilla . . . and the language bit . . . hmm. Ok, if you *admit* he's contrived, then -- wait (Quail cocking his head, listening to internal gears shifting into new configurations) -- wait -- click! Ok, Eddie, maybe you have convinced me. I will give the Cowboy a new look-see. >Amistad is a fucking piece of shit. i ripped it pretty badly here when >it was released, so i guess i won't bother doing it again. I think it's principle weakness -- other than the wretched John Williams score -- was that it was a courtroom drama, but it was billed more as a rebellion movie. I was disappointed, true, but I don't think it was a piece of shit. The acting alone rasies it above that level. Um, let's see . . . "Passion in the Desert" was a piece of shit; and so was "The Teletubbies take Manhattan." >now you're *really* scarin' me, quail. Jurassic Park and Forrest Gimp >are probably the two movies i came closest to walking out of. Why?!?!? Dinosaurs! Dinofuckingsaurs!!!!! I'd sit glued to ANY movie with big monsters, even "Carnosaur." Hell, I watched CHUD just because they were monsters and big. But -- DINOSAURS!! How can you walk out of that? >i swear to god, i thought they were barely a step above harryhausen. >very unconvincing, if you ask me. Really? Hm. You, Eddie, are an odd duck. >np: grammys up the cornhole artist, tool Is that a new Tool CD? Why wasn't I informed? - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:56:47 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: I can't fuckin' think of one >or how about c) you don't really have any fucking desire to buy a >fucking twenty litre jug of shampoo every fucking hour on the fucking >hour; and/or you could do without having to spend forty-five fucking >minutes drying your fucking hair every fucking day? Well, you could try using less shampoo in that case. I have hair down to the ends of my shoulder-blades, and I still have a little less than half left in a 16 oz bottle of shampoo I bought a month ago. Twenty liters is more than I would use in 6 months. Certainly I wouldn't need it every hour on the hour. And there's no law that says you must needs wash and blow-dry your hair every single day. It's actually probably bad for your hair to do that. Try getting one of those super-drying towels. Furthermore, my sweetheart, who will certainly never be long-haired again, seems not to have felt any need to shave his head, and doesn't use huge amounts of shampoo OR a blow-dryer. It's not as though shaving one's head is the only way to prevent spending too much time and money on futzing with hair. Love on ya, Susan who isn't fucking exaggerating ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:46:42 -0500 From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: the well-made-farce( play or no) Terry, 2 words for you- Zulika Dobson UTM K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: VIV LYON Subject: Re: Latest RH merchandise (that I got my grubby mitts on) - ---The Great Quail wrote: > > >You little ice-weasel > > Ice weasel? > It's from a brief, cynical treatise on love, by who I do not know, which ends "At night, the ice-weasels come." I originally thought it was from Matt Groening's Life in Hell series, then from MST3K, and now I am shamed to admit that I don't know whence my brain dredged that up. Vivien. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 15:06:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: I am not a muppet! >I know this list is hardly complete, but I can't seem to match muppets >with Tom, Nick, Gene, Dolph, Hal, Danielle, Chris (all of them), Michael, >Carrie, Marcy, Godwin, Miles, Glen, Jason, JH3, Viv, Ben, Ross, Russ, ^^^^ I don't know about the rest of these people but I for one am quite happy to be on the "can't seem to match muppets with" list. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:52:44 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > Animal --> Doug. You have to see him. He's big and fuzzy and likes to > bang on things. if this is me -- that capital letter makes it a bit hard for me to tell -- i'm really deeply honored. it's a relief to know that i can still in some sense qualify as "fuzzy." when my good friends kt and dave (dave likes rh but not mailing lists; kt tolerates rh) got thesselves hitched, they had pez dispensers matched to the personalities of all the wedding guests as party favors*; at that time the woman i useta live with and i were gonzo and fozzie bear respectively. but animal is way cool. gene krupa!!! krupa!!! krupa!!! since i'm inflicting myself on y'all for something so trivial anyway, i'll also serve the first of probably a few notices, that my band, whatever the heck it's called, will be making its official debut in new, leaner, four piece mode, just about a month hence, on thursday, january 14th, at the velvet lounge in washington dc. 9th & u st nw. we're too tuneful to be indie-rock, and too rough-hewn to be indie-pop, so i don't know what the hell we are, since alternative has nothing in it now that i want to gather to my bosom. we feature songs of angst, guilt, fear and betrayal that you can hum along to. we useta kinda suck, but i'm really psyched about our recent performances and shiny new tunes, so i hope some of y'all'll come out. (we're opening for shadowbone, about whom i know nothing.) i'm leaving for rehearsal right about now, at which time we may settle on our new monicker. no one has vetoed: equisite beast, falling spikes, or the narrow straws. - -- d. p.s and oh yeah, someone onanudderlist mentioned: >> How manyof you have also gotten the tape form the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock compiled by Andy Metcalfe. I've had mine for about a week now and it's well worth $7 with shipping I think it cost. << what the heck is this? did y'all discuss that while i was off being depressed under a rock? n.p. schramms _dizzy spell_ * they met at a "pez party," you see. - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: contagion On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Capitalism Blows wrote: > i was just sitting there minding my own fucking business last night, > when i got stung by a motherfucking bee! in the fucking dead of fucking > winter, too! as with eb, i hadn't been stung in *ages*. 15 years, > maybe. hokay, i wasn't going to mention this, but somehere chronologically between the eb-event and the eddie-event there was a pathetic-event in which i was travelling at about 20 mph on a bicycle and smacked into a bee which stung me in the place at the base of my throat where it turns out to be very painful indeed to be stung by a bee, possibly exacerbated by the relative speed differential -- maybe the stinger went deeper or something, but it hurt more than any other bee sting i've ever had, and left an ugly purple bruise for a couple weeks. that was at about 8 am, and the day went downhill from there, come to think of it. crawling through the archives, - -- d. sp schramms _dizzy spell_ - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:13:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" Subject: Re: Latest RH merchandise (that I got my grubby mitts on) > > >You little ice-weasel > > > > Ice weasel? > > > It's from a brief, cynical treatise on love, by who I do not know, > which ends "At night, the ice-weasels come." > > I originally thought it was from Matt Groening's Life in Hell series, > then from MST3K, and now I am shamed to admit that I don't know whence > my brain dredged that up. You were right the first time. It's from Love is Hell. Here's the complete quotation: "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Nietzsche Daniel "my name is little Bongo" Saunders ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:41:05 -0800 (PST) From: VIV LYON Subject: Re: Latest RH merchandise - ---mrrunion@palmnet.net wrote: > THEY COME IN DIFFERENT COLORS! So, what other colors are > out there? Huh? Huh? > Mine is green (huzzah), Dave's is black. Mine is so much better, and I swear I didn't peek in the boxes before I distributed them. Vivien "Take that, you Tolkein-reading community theater reject!"- TV's Frank _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:17:07 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Pac Man Fever (LA Confidential w/ spoiler) In a message dated 98-12-15 16:23:42 EST, you write: << Incidentally, I finally rented "LA Confidential" a couple of weeks ago, and thought it was absolutely superb. Totally exceeded my expectations, and lived up to its acclaim. >> Wow, really?! Man, I thought the whole last 20 minutes was formulaic (but he's not dead . . ! no, no, he gets back up and he . . . and he shoots the bad guy! how original!) and obvious, and I *really* hated the whole interview room thing where they felt the plot needed to be recounted for us, in case we hadn't been following along. It wrapped up too neatly for me and there weren't very many surprises (with the exception of the killing off of the Spacey character). I don't know. Maybe you have to be a fan of old detective movies or something. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:36:13 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: I am not a muppet! (sigh) In a message dated 98-12-15 18:54:11 EST, Russ does write: << I don't know about the rest of these people but I for one am quite happy to be on the "can't seem to match muppets with" list. >> Actually, I'm kinda bummed. But, as I ran through the range of Muppets in my head, I couldn't really think of one to suggest for myself. I guess maybe I'm just not cut out for a spot on the Muppet Show. If anything, I'm most likely to be mistaken for Shaggy . . . at least the way that Liz (my wife) portrays me in crayon. - ------Michael K., who's more into Hostess cupcakes than Scooby Snacks anymore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:08:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Wolfe Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! Heh. :) I nominate Dolph to be Dr. Teeth of the Electric Mayhem. Michael Keefe, do you play guitar? You could be Floyd. :) - -Michael Wolfe, without a muppet bone in his body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > Kermit --> Bayard. He's got long legs, he's green, and he has a jolly wit > that keeps things together. This fits so well. It's spooky. I vote that Bayard gets to cover The Rainbow Connection on an upcoming tape tree. > Ernie --> Eddie. > Bert --> Capuchin. The odd thing is that, in person, it's the other way around. > Gonzo --> Mark Gloster. Of course. I'm lost on this one. > Grover --> Natalie. I don't know why I think this. I just have the > feeling she goes off on her own little adventures and acquires her own > special sort of wisdom.... Suits me. > Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker -- Both are, of course, James Dignan. See below. (although it makes perfect sense... what with the Beaker People connection and the fact that half the time he's trying to correct the ignorance of others and the other half of the time he's just meeping noisily.) > Robyn the Frog --> Randi, so polite and kind-hearted. That's Robin the Frog. > Sam the Eagle --> Gregory Stewart Shell, the list Conservative. Nice. (very glad I escaped that one) > Janice, the rocker chick --> L "I love Oasis" J! > Scooter --> Terrence These killed me. > That Crazy Guy Who Throws Fish --> Black Bart (heh heh heh) See... that guy... he's Lew Zealand (Sayer's favorite muppet). I would have made Danielle be Lew. She's a fish slinger if I've ever known one. And only a fish slinger would hang out in the trash can with Oscar. > Statler & Waldorf --> Roger Jackson Perfect. Roger Jackson and Paul Fox and Butch and the myriad posters of nay > I know this list is hardly complete, but I can't seem to match muppets > with Tom, Nick, Gene, Dolph, Hal, Danielle, Chris (all of them), Michael, > Carrie, Marcy, Godwin, Miles, Glen, Jason, JH3, Viv, Ben, Ross, Russ, > Ress, J Kat, Mary, Helen Percival, and all the other fun-lovin' Fegs. Any > suggestions? I also don't know about Elmo, Ralph, the Swedish Chef, and > Guy Smiley. . . . and those crazy hoppy Koozbanians, ring! ring! ring! > uh-huh, uh-huh, yup yup yup yup yup. . . . See, Tom and Nick and Dolph are just BEGGING to be muppets (though I haven't met Dolph, I want to put him in a flannel bag and stick a big red nose on him). I might make MichaelK the saxophone feller (what's his name?). Dolph is ROLPH! YES! I'm getting it now... Nick, Glen, Ross... they're the wise cracking rats. The Chris are Gonzo's chickens. Mary is The Count. I guess Tom is Guy Smiley... that's kind of lame, but kinda fitting. Godwin is Pops the Janitor. (Why do I want to make J Kat the phantom of the theater?) Or maybe I'm grasping at straws. Got a pocket full of quarters and I'm headed for the arcade-- Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:43:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: take a knock on our door Quail, how's that Norman Fell memorial site coming? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:55:36 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! On 12/15/98 5:24 PM, Capuchin wrote: >I guess Tom is Guy Smiley... I thought the same thing!! I don't know why, perhaps I was born to be a Talking Head. Let's have a clicking championship... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:04:36 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Muppet-Fegmania! In a message dated 98-12-15 20:19:43 EST, you write: << Heh. :) I nominate Dolph to be Dr. Teeth of the Electric Mayhem. Michael Keefe, do you play guitar? You could be Floyd. :) >> Dude, yeah! I *do* play guitar (a bit). So, whaddya say Quail, can I be Floyd? Can I? Oh, please! - ------Michael K. (if *I'm* Floyd, then, by the way, which one's Pink?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:55:55 -0700 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: various subjects, Robyn content up front The Yahoo!/SonicNet Chat: As Susan says, not that wonderful, though I think someone is working on a log. Hopefully the log will omit that kid who kept wanting to talk to someone from Israel. Robyn did answer one of my questions with some information that I think will be of general interest, but if a transcript is forthcoming, I won't duplicate efforts. Terry's '80s musical "studies": To me, the most influential artist of the '80s (and one of the best, as well) was the Artist Formerly Known as the Artist Formerly Known as Prince Formerly Known as Prince. Oddly, he's never scored a #1 album with me in any given year (though PARADE and SIGN O' THE TIMES came close), but I can't imagine an overview of the music of the '80s without him. REM (who beat out PARADE and SIGN O' THE TIMES) belongs somewhere in there too. Quail defends Spielberg against Capuchin: >>Stephen "Show 'em everything and spoon feed them that which you simply >>cannot show" Spielberg. Ick. >Did you watch the same scenes in "Schindler's List" and "Private Ryan" >that I did? What do you want, a camera in the frikkin' oven? I can't say that what I'm saying here is what Capuchin meant by "show 'em everything and spoon feed them that which you cannot simply show," but one of the things that irks me the most about Spielberg is that he *does* mistrust his audience. For instance, the use of the spot color on the little girl's coat in SCHINDLER'S LIST just screams at me "I think you are such an idiot that I feel compelled to use this intrusive spot color, otherwise I am sure you would not know that this corpse piled in this wagon same little girl that Schindler sees playing in the street earlier." Or the godawful overemotive soundtrack of THE COLOR PURPLE, which tells me "you cannot possibly feel the scene's emotion unless I use blaring music to manipulate you." I realize that the whole "what is art?" question is totally subjective, but I think that Spielberg wouldn't know art if it bit him in the honker. And basically Spielberg's "serious" films can be boiled down to "racism/poverty/domestic violence is bad," "the Holocaust is bad," "slavery is bad," and "war is bad." I wonder what unimpeachable subjects are left for him to tackle? Eb says of BABE: > bad. I *loved* about half of the original, though it started sliding in the > second half when the pig-as-sheepdog plot overwhelmed the simple barnyard fun. Hm, I wouldn't characterize much of the film as "simple barnyard fun." I can't think of many books or movies, especially "kid-friendly" ones, that show animal vs. human power relationships so nakedly. It's pretty clear in the first half of the film that any animal can die at any time. And by the way, BABE was my favorite film of 1995, bar none. later, Miles - --- /====================================================================\ | Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com | | http://www.rsteviemoore.com outdoorminer@zdnetmail.com | | http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer | | | | "Why everything has to get in the way all the time I don't know." | | -- Janet Ingraham Dwyer | \====================================================================/ Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! 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