From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #418 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 07 : Number 418 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Checking in [Eb ] 'damn you apes!" [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Checking it out... ["Chris!" ] Re: Checking it out... [amadain ] Re: please allow me... [Capuchin ] [none] [Rich Plumb ] Re: Hitchcock, McClure, and Heston [Aaron Mandel ] Noel and Liam's nutritional habits [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Mail Randi, sort of, kind of... [Tim Fuller ] the insect mother cometh. [dlang ] Weenies--Unite and Takeover! [Lobsterman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:51:31 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Checking in Well, it has been entertaining reading all the theories about the missing Eb. I didn't really think going four or five days without posting would prompt such speculation (and even genuine concern). Yes, my computer is functional, though there's still a big glitch in its operating system. I'm out of ideas, and I think it's time to burn a CD backup of my hard drive and reformat the whole damn thing. It's very frustrating. However, I'm still able to send email, websurf, etc. I can't upgrade my operating system, optimize it or defragment and/or copy larger files, though. The simple truth is that I'm in a deep pit of self-loathing right now, and am sick of reading my posts. I don't feel very interesting, anyway. I just narrowed avoided a major migraine, so I'm a bit relieved at the moment. I finished a review of the new Oasis compilation today, which Susan will be happy to know was generally quite positive. I'm surprised that there isn't more discussion/moaning about the Rhino reissues going out of print. That seems like pretty major news to me -- moreso than the release of Storefront Hitchcock, even. Well, that's the longstanding Rhino modus operandi, I guess. I suspect that I own more out-of-print Rhino releases than in-print ones. They reissue something, pocket a quick wad of sales revenues and then brusquely move on to the next "Billboard Hits of October, 1962" compilation. Woo. Eb http://www.ginov.com/40Intro.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 05:04:49 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: 'damn you apes!" On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:33:50 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Of course, this brings us back --as all topics of conversation eventually must-- >to the Planet of the Apes. The episode features the wonderful Planet of the >Apes: The Musical sequence, which the newly rejuvenated Troy lands a part in. >With tunes blatantly (and hilariously) lifted from Chess ("Ooh! Help me Doctor >Seaus!") Homer's reaction is "I love legitimate thee-ay-ter." Chess? wasn't that Falco? ("rock me amadaeus?") Chess was "One Night in Bankok", wasn't it? -luthwer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:20:56 -0800 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: Checking it out... Eb wrote: > http://www.ginov.com/40Intro.shtml You know the "Beach Photo, 1977" bears a striking resemblance to Robyn's more manly California Cousin. Or a more manly Robyn himself. No? And what is the deal with the vapor around his head? .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:01:47 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Checking it out... >Eb wrote: > >> http://www.ginov.com/40Intro.shtml > >You know the "Beach Photo, 1977" bears a striking resemblance to >Robyn's more manly California Cousin. Or a more manly Robyn himself. >No? > >And what is the deal with the vapor around his head? I suspect that there may be some Soul-Glo involved here. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: please allow me... On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, mondacello wrote: > Dang! I tossed a coin on that one... I'll be sure to make it the best > two out of three next time. Well, if you truly want to be fair about it, tossing two out of three will get you nowhere. See, if your coin is unfair (let's say it comes up heads 70% of the time and tails the other 30%), then the final balance will still be unfairly weighted toward heads. These are all the possible throws for three coin tosses with corresponding percentage likelihoods with an unfair coin as described above. throws unfair HHH 34.3 HHT 14.7 HTH 14.7 HTT 6.3 THH 14.7 THT 6.3 TTH 6.3 TTT 2.7 So, you've a 34.3% chance of getting three heads and a 44.1% chance of getting two heads only. So there's a 78.4% chance of getting at least two heads out of three! Those chance are WORSE than flipping the unfair coin once. I propose the following solution: Instead of going two for three or something, try going for a particular combination. Let "Cohen" be your spelling if you get a head followed by a tail and let "Coen" be used if you get a tail followed by a head. If you get two consecutive throws the same, start over. Here are the stats for two throws: throws unfair HH 49.0 HT 21.0 TH 21.0 TT 9.0 This way, you have the exact same chances of getting one side as the other REGARDLESS OF THE FAIRNESS OF THE COIN. Nifty. > I've a question to ask, truly Robyn related... is there a fairly > complete Hitchcock Lyric site out there? OK, kids. I'm going to be uploading some changes next week, but here's what you can use for now: http://www.teleport.com/~capuchin/lyrics.cgi Enjoy and let me know what you think. markmarkmarkmark Jeme. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Plumb Subject: [none] > Aaron Mandel commented on > what I previously wrote: > >> Purloined from billboard here's a genuinely stupid review by another >> critic who thinks The Yip! Song is a novelty number: > > "genuinely stupid"? that's awfully harsh, considering that everything > she says has been expressed in even stronger form on this list, even, > yes, the opinion that "The Yip Song" has no appeal beyond novelty in > this soggy acoustic version. > OK genuinely stupid might be a bit strong, but "The Yip! Song" is not a novelty song. Secondly doesn't robyn introduce this song by explaining what it means? I personally much prefer the electric version. The reviewers misreading of the song is not really what I meant when I called the review stupid. What I think is stupid are this line: "Yet as an introduction to Hitchcock, it's a curiosity; instead of taking the easy "best-of" route, the album includes a handful of new tracks and weaker novelties numbers like "The Yip! Song." " Since when was this album intended to be an introduction to Robyn? I'm under the impression it's the soundtrack to a film which is basically a slice of Robyn. Calling it a curiosity seems a bit rude. And then this other line (it's obvious the critic really admires Robyn) "While "Storefront" honestly reflects a witty and complex artist, its main appeal will be to the already-converted." Is this how Billboard reviews all it's albums? By giving it's opinion on it's marketing future. Why wouldn't a not yet converted enjoy this album? The reviewer seems to think it's really good. rich np: Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - Live at the Royal Albert Hall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Hitchcock, McClure, and Heston On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, amadain wrote: > "Everyone I've Ever Slept With Is" is pretty damn funny. oh, i agree; that's my favorite song on the album (one of two or three that i enjoyed). > And you know, the original "Mr Jones" (aka "Ballad of a Thin Man" :)) is > rather condescending, too. true... but heartfelt, and a stirring evocation of the author's somewhat condescending viewpoint. whereas a song whose purpose is to explain "Ballad Of A Thin Man" to people who didn't get it strikes me as compounding everything that might have been wrong with the original, and inheriting none of the charm. the small amount of time i get when my connection unfreezes (before the next freeze) has been shrinking, so that's it for me. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Noel and Liam's nutritional habits I dreamed last night about the Gallagher brothers. They were served some kind of odd-looking lamb soup, and one of them complained, "This soup tastes like Kleenex!" The other said, "How do you know?" The first replied, "Because I've eaten Kleenex." I've been pondering the significance of this for some time, let me tell you. I also dreamed that I was telling Richard Thompson about this guy I knew who was really obsessed with him (someone on this list, in fact), and RT replied, "Yeah, I met him once, but he seemed really frightened of me!" Is this true? n. p.s. Re. Eb, to paraphrase the great Peter Blegvad: "He's a King Bee, though his wings be furled And his kingdom is not of this world." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:32:36 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: 'damn you apes!" In a message dated 11/6/98 9:09:28 PM, you wrote: <> Yeah, I don't think the two had anything to do with one another ("Chess" and "Rock Me Amadeus"). - -----Michael "I get my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine" K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: fred is ted Subject: Re: Noel and Liam's nutritional habits - ---Natalie Jane Jacobs wrote: > I dreamed last night about the Gallagher brothers. They were served some> kind of odd-looking lamb soup, and one of them complained, "This soup> tastes like Kleenex!" The other said, "How do you know?" The first> replied, "Because I've eaten Kleenex." :( Sounds like Stephen King's next gripping shocker! You liked "The Tommyknockers?" Read "The Kleenexeaters" > I've been pondering the significance of this for some time, let me tell> you. I'm calling the dream police. You're obviously suffering from a severe personality disorder sublimating itself in a Britpop-paper product obsession. Mind you, this is just a pat diagnosis made without first obtaining your full medical history. Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Fuller Subject: Mail Randi, sort of, kind of... Greetings feg-types...Tim here again with an official Randi update: Looks like her hospital visit will be extended (due to popular demand). could be another two weeks or so, depending on the this and that (not as arbitrary as it sounds, though it often seems that way). And she *still* cannot get back to talk to you all since there is still a severe shortage of laptop computers in our closet (and to think we had just done inventory...) BUT! (and this is a big but) I just found out that mail can be sent to Sunnybrook Hospital, which will print it out and deliver it to her room. This is an *official* service, not something Tim and Randi have charmed the nurses into letting us do, so feel free to mail mail mail! However: since it is going to be printed out for delivery (and, possibly even read, so the disclaimer says) I suppose the greetings should not be too, um, revelatory in nature (you can decide your own boundaries I suppose). The addy is this: sunny.mail@sunnybrook.on.ca in the SUBJECT, write the following: FOR RANDI LYNN SPIEGEL; ROOM C659 And there you go...if you want to talk to her (cuz she *really* would like to talk to all of you, trust me...) her info has been confirmed: 416-480-4246 and when the message begins enter 1834 and connected with our lovely and talented Randi you will be. sorry for distracting you all from the real stuff, carry on... thanks, Tim Fuller ct965@freenet.toronto.on.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:21:12 +0930 From: dlang Subject: the insect mother cometh. I note the return of monsieur Eb and am glad to see that he seems to still be with us. However, I must admit that I somewhat perturbed . Is this the REAL Eb, or an ersatz pretender , foisted on us by the Bee King /King Bee ? Now why would I doubt that this is the real thing?. The address is right and there's the usual erudite musical knowledge, but there are a some worrying anomalies that I want to bring to your attention. There's a few times when I get the feeling that this Eb is changed somehow, There's a curious degree if self doubt and and introspection that the old Eb would not have indulged in “Self loathing," c’mon, is this the Ebbie who has been known to reduce a newbie into a flaming heap with a carefully chosen adverb or metaphor? and would the real Eb be so weak as to allow himself to be inflicted by a migraine, no way, he’s just face it down and tell it to bugger off where it came from, or he’d more likely he’d physically tear out the portion of his brain that was affected and chuck it in the garbage disposal unit. ‘There's plenty more where that come’s from “he’d chuckle as he sewed his cranium up after the procedure. No its definitely not the real Eb, so who in holy hell is it? Eb is now an insect!He has been spirited off to unknown parts , immobilised by deing dipped in amber and an insectoid substitute now sits in front of his Macintosh. Now you may ask why in the name of Gene Hackman would anyone (let alone the King Of Bee’s )want to purloin Vinnie, encase him in amber and then substitute a ring in ? I mean what would be the point! Ok, so the Bee King is pissed off with the Gondoleered one for some unknown reason , then why not just get a few hives together and sting him to death ? Ah, but thats too obvious, Bees are more subtle than that you see. I believe the real reason that Eb has been taken from us is that we as a collective list have got on the wrong side of the insect kingdom in general , and they’ve hatched a plan to do the dirty on us . So just what have we done to make the little chitinous bleeders irate? I was mulling this over in my febrile brainbox and I think I’ve come up with the answer. When in the last year or so have we discussed Insects on the list? I mean REALLY discussed them , not just played lip service to them. We’ve gone on about fish and Cheese ad nauseum on occasions , but nary a mention of insects and when they have come up its been all sorts of insectist putdowns which any equal opportunity committee would bang us up in a cell for as quick as you can say Trilobite . Ok, we have discussed bees in some depth since Eb was stung ( which I believe was an attempt to give us a message to mend our ways pronto or ELSE ). But what was the result ? Lots of flippant posts about bees and no mention of grasshoppers, fly’s, roaches, mantis’s, beetles or wasps!.When Eb was stung, did he attempt to emphasise with the bee ,get into its mindset and try to discover the psychological state that led its sacrificing itself ? No he just whinged about how painful it was for him and totally ignored the selfless insect that gave its life so that others would achieve enlightenment. The insect world is mad at us, and Vinnie is just the thin end of the wedge, we need to take this problem seriously , especially given the numerous insect referrences in Robyn’s songs, he ‘s telling us that insects matter and for too long have been downplayed in the overall scheme of things. But did we listen , nah! We have been negligent my friends and I fear that we must begin to give insects their true due in our posts,or we are for the chop. Cease these mentions of Oasis, Carl Palmer, Paul Fox and the evil wodger and bring up some insect friendly topics that we can ponder over , or Eb will only be a precursor of what is to come . It will only be subtle at first. LJ will cease posting for a few days and when she returns her signature will be lj mantis, Jon fetter will metamorphose into Jon Flytter, w.o.j will become b.u.g and so forth until the whole list will be composed of insectoid being’s , apparently human on the outside, but inside a seething mass of mandibles, many jointed legs and myriad faceted eyes. You will off course poo, poo this missive ,and dismiss it as the paranoid ramblings of a pompous old fart wanting to get attention, but its happening already! I have a minor roach plague in the room where I keep my Mac. my wife and daughter have been troubled by bees and wasps around the pool and an encroachment of ants took place recently.I’m willing to bet that many other fegs are experiencing the same symptoms.And what about all these cartoons with bugs in them eh, coincidence ? Pull the other one, its got ants on it! Be vigilent Fegs!, arm yourself with black flag, mortein and fly swatters,for if you let down your guard you may well find yourself overrun one of these fine mornings and awake to find you have been subsumed into the collective mind set of THE HIVE . yours portentiously. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:06:24 -0800 (PST) From: Lobsterman Subject: Weenies--Unite and Takeover! Just wanted to write to say-- I'm so excited! And I just can't hide it! I just burned the Storefront Hitchcock LP onto CD-R!! (well, the first 3 sides--the last side will have to go on a second cd-r). This is my first time hooking my turntable up to my computer. Sounds alright--much better than I had expected! Woo hoo! Now all that's left is the movie version, the home video version, and the 8 track version! It'll make quite the homemade box set..... From what I've heard, Robyn saved the better banter for the LP. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #418 *******************************