From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #403 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 07 : Number 403 Today's Subjects: ----------------- from the BBC.... [tanter ] Re: [long, list-related] and a tiny RH mention [amadain ] Re: from the BBC.... [Eb ] Re: from the BBC.... [Insomnboy@aol.com] Re: Things I Thought Would Never Happen [dlang ] A snowball in hell [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: from the BBC.... [Terrence M Marks ] Covenant in DC, 10/27 (no RH content, I'm afraid) [Christopher Gross ] Re: Doom! [Bayard ] Re: Things I Thought Would Never Happen [Michael R Godwin ] A Can of Bee Stings ["JH3" ] Re: Covenant in DC, 10/27 (no RH content, I'm afraid) [lj lindhurst ] Re: GQ article now on line [Patrick Welker ] Re: from the BBC.... [Terrence M Marks ] Re: from the BBC.... [Russ Reynolds ] Re: from the BBC.... [amadain ] Re: from the BBC....(that cat fight you wanted, Eb) [lj lindhurst Subject: from the BBC.... One of the leading figures in Britpop has said that drugs may no longer be his cup of tea, because taking them has become too boring. In an interview to mark the release of the new Oasis album, Noel Gallagher says he is "bored" with drugs. "I've calmed down now, I've kicked it on the head. It got too much and it's too boring for me now," the star told New Musical Express. "But last year and the year before it was mental." In the interview Noel revealed that drugs inspired him to put the Supernova Heights sign on his London home, and that he had to be talked out of putting a flagpole on top and a blue plaque on the wall. The sign is a reference to the Oasis song Champagne Supernova, which refers to drugs. Noel has often admitted to taking drugs, including cocaine. Last year he sparked a storm of outrage when he told an interviewer compared taking drugs to having a cup of tea." He also upset many when he said in a radio interview that he would legalise drugs, adding, "Drugs do work." His comments come as Noel's brother Liam promised to curb his bad boy lifestyle in a bid to win back his wife Patsy Kensit. The couple split five weeks ago after the rock star threw Patsy and her six-year-old son James out of his North London home. Plan B The Oasis star was speaking to NME about The Masterplan, an album of B-sides to be released on November 2. It follows the poor sales of their previous album, Be Here Now. Oasis have insisted the compilation should sell for no more than £10.99 a CD and £6.99 a cassette after Noel said he thought it was "a bit of a con". Fans helped choose the 14 songs, which have never been available on albums before. It includes several live favourites such as the band's version of the Beatles song I Am The Walrus. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:26:41 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: [long, list-related] and a tiny RH mention >Hi. If you don't know me, or don't recall me posting that much to >Fegmaniax, then you've probably joined the list after late '95. That's around when I joined. November 3rd was my first post, to be exact, I looked it up in the archives. Lots of good stuff in there (in particular I'd like to draw dlang's attention to JH3's post about the nightmare Robyn signing of Feb. '96, and a post from late November of 95 called "In The California Office" and related posts, including a hilarious sendup of said, er, writing by Nick Winkworth). Anyway, I remember you well Miles. You're one of the Good Guys. Even if you are exhausting to record shop with :). >idiotic flamewars -- one with the Beach Boys at its center (and the >arguments, with some exceptions, not going much beyond "Beach Boys suck!" >and "Beach Boys rule!") OH GAWD! PLEASE! I'm afraid to even mention that one myself for fear it'll start up again. That was nasty. >Dead concert. I was about ready to unsubscribe earlier this year, but an >off-list exchange with Woj persuaded me to hang around at least a bit longer. Good good good! Hate it when we lose folks like yourself. IIRC a lot of good people left over that flamewar. Robyn thing: I am loving that Spanish show from '96. A killer performance. And the halting Spanish intros just kill me ("Mi Esposa....y Mi Esposa Muerta"). Good stuff Bayard! And thanks. Love on ya, Susan excited cause she got to meet Momus yesterday! also Gilles. He was quite nice and put up with my butchered French very graciously. I think he thought I was a crazy person for recommending Robyn H to him so fervently, but really, his remark about how fish was something everyone could relate to did seem oddly reminiscent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 02:42:16 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: from the BBC.... >One of the leading figures in Britpop has said that drugs > may no longer be his cup of tea, because taking them > has become too boring. Noel has proclaimed drugs boring. Well, that's it then, eh? The death of Western Civilization is imminent. Wonder if we'll see the same kind of coverage when he gives up anoraks. The utter absurdity of this is that this is newsworthy because there ARE people who actually give a fuck. I proclaim Noel Gallagher boring. He's a stupid illiterate brute who writes the ultimate in boring cliched music and lyrics which yield no interest at all other than a sort of postmodernist "spot the recycled and reconstituted Beatle riffs" game. I think perhaps the source of their popularity was managing to be technically "new" and yet somehow completely, utterly, UNnew. But really, who can explain it? Yeah. That'll show him. *rubs hands and cackles madly* Love on ya, Susan "if this tone deafness/Is called the love of music....." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:29:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: from the BBC.... Susan spat: >Noel has proclaimed drugs boring. Well, that's it then, eh? The death of >Western Civilization is imminent. Wonder if we'll see the same kind of >coverage when he gives up anoraks. > >The utter absurdity of this is that this is newsworthy because there ARE >people who actually give a fuck. > >I proclaim Noel Gallagher boring. He's a stupid illiterate brute who writes >the ultimate in boring cliched music and lyrics which yield no interest at >all other than a sort of postmodernist "spot the recycled and reconstituted >Beatle riffs" game. > >I think perhaps the source of their popularity was managing to be >technically "new" and yet somehow completely, utterly, UNnew. But really, >who can explain it? > >Yeah. That'll show him. *rubs hands and cackles madly* Woo! Catfight between Susan and LJ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:08:22 EST From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: from the BBC.... In a message dated 10/26/98 12:26:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, sdodge@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > I proclaim Noel Gallagher boring. He's a stupid illiterate brute who writes > the ultimate in boring cliched music and lyrics which yield no interest at > all other than a sort of postmodernist "spot the recycled and reconstituted > Beatle riffs" game. Love on ya Susan, I couldn't have said it myself. How much you wanna bet he finished up the interview, went into the next room and snarfed up a big fat line eh? Russell in Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:23:51 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: Things I Thought Would Never Happen jh3 enthused >Albertos content on the feglist? (I should point out here that I'm >probably the only human being alive that owns everything the Albertos ever recorded.) Yikes! And all this time, I had no idea that C.P. Lee was a big Dylan fan. This might explain the poignant poeticism of "Kill" and "Gobbing on Life".. Oh yes,YES. I LOVE the Alberto's " .Remember the line "I'm gonna rip my liver out and pin it on me braces " ? Vunderbar!!!!! We should make them honorary members of the surreal posse, or better still ,now the Bee attack has failed and the vile troll Roger J has attacked our dear Eb, we should send them round slit him up a treat .....anyone know his address? . dave np Capitan Beefheart -Boston 72. Yowsa! Think I'll grow fins and go back in the water again .... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:36:09 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: A snowball in hell >>(A partial list of the things I like about the list includes: >>Woj, Bayard, James Dignan, Eb , lj, Eddie Tews, MarkG, >>MikeG, Susan, Natalie, Quail, Jeme/Capuchin, Mike Runion, Dave >>Lang, Gary Parker (we need to get back in touch, fella), JH3, >>Hal, not to mention people I share other lists with... > >Holy shit, now I've officially seen everything. I actually made somebody's >favorite-feg list? Funny, it didn't seem that cold this weekend... Certainly >not cold enough for Hell to freeze over! Hey, I feel the same way... I thought the only person who read my ill-starred ramblings was the Quail (who uses them in his Burroughsian cut-up experiments and posts the results to the Led Zeppelin list, as we all know). Thanks, Miles! :) n. p.s. I think a DJ at the college radio station must be a friend of Luther's, since he played "I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight" and "The Yip Song" in a row as I was driving to work this morning. p.p.s. I should start listening to Richard Thompson, shouldn't I? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:28:31 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: from the BBC.... > I proclaim Noel Gallagher boring. He's a stupid illiterate brute who writes > the ultimate in boring cliched music and lyrics which yield no interest at > all other than a sort of postmodernist "spot the recycled and reconstituted > Beatle riffs" game. > > I think perhaps the source of their popularity was managing to be > technically "new" and yet somehow completely, utterly, UNnew. But really, > who can explain it? Well this'll never get reported if one of us doesn't call the BBC and tell them...whose turn is it this time? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Covenant in DC, 10/27 (no RH content, I'm afraid) This is not only unrelated to Robyn, it's unrelated to any sort of music we usually discuss here ... but it does concern music, at least. The great Swedish techno-industrial dance (or EBM, as they prefer to call it) band Covenant will be playing in Washington DC tomorrow, Oct. 27. Opening act will be the Pygmy Children. The show is at Club Heaven, 2327 18th St. NW (in Adams Morgan), doors opening about 9:30-10, and admission is $16 (a bit pricy, but not enough to keep me away). I'd encourage everyone to attend, and not just because I'm friends with some of the promoters; Covenant put on a great show when they were here last year. As a special added attraction, Oct. 27 is also, ahem, my birthday. So come on out and help me celebrate (or drown my sorrows)! Maybe we can get the DJs to play some of _Storefront Hitchcock_ between sets. Other neat stuff: Covenant web page: http://www.csd.uu.se/~s95cce/covenant/index.html. Promoter's page, including Real Audio of Covenant's last DC appearance: http://theconspiracy.net/ Looking ahead a little, that great Czech band that I occasionally mention, Uz Jsme Doma, will be back in DC in November. I'll remind you all when the time approaches. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Doom! I spotted this quote in someone's .sig, and I have to admit I don't recognize it. Can anyone clue me in? "We are all doomed, but some of us are more doomed than others." -Robyn Hitchcock Is this a song lyric? Was it in that interview that Natalie and her monkeys helpfully typed up, and which I haven't read yet? Or what? - --Chris (convinced that it'll turn out to be from a very obvious, non-obscure source, and that I've embarrassed myself in front of the Feg intelligentsia by even asking) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Doom! Hiya Chris- > "We are all doomed, but some of us are more doomed than others." > -Robyn Hitchcock this is from the _invisible hitch_ liner, i'm pretty sure. cheers, nice one etc. =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:29:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Things I Thought Would Never Happen > >Finally, C.P. Lee, a former member of the English punk band > >Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias, has offered his own recollections > >of the May 17 Manchester show... There was an issue of Mojo not than long ago including a long article devoted to the Manchester Free Trade Hall concert, including a photo of the alleged 'Judas' accuser. The article included a quote from CP, who is now a lecturer in film studies. Stupidly I lent my copy to a Dylan fanatic in late May and haven't seen it since... > Yikes! And all this time, I had no idea that C.P. Lee was a big Dylan fan. > This might explain the poignant poeticism of "Kill" and "Gobbing on Life"... "Lose a leg, lose a leg..." Quite an interesting Jools Holland prog on TV the other night, with Hole headlining, and featuring Marc Almond, Neil Finn and the much-bruited Rufus Wainwright. Hole were excellent, best on the controlled stuff, but they did strike me as just a teeny bit decadent. Marc was great, he sang 'Say hallo wave goodbye' with just Jools at the piano for accompaniment - at least he's not a teeny bit decadent, he's thoroughly wasted. Couldn't work out what the dickens RW was on about - he only did one song, and it sounded as if he had lifted the tune from "The farmer and the cowhand should be friends" by Richard Rodgers (though the lyric was not at all Oscar Hammerstein). Neil Finn was the straightest rock act, but I thought his voice was slightly suspect - I wonder if he's missing the old band? - Mike G PS For a long time I thought that "The Deadly Bees" was an alternative title for "The Killer Bees". But they are actually two separate films, connected only by an identical plot-line... "I can hear the sound, of the LS Bum Bum Bumble Bee" (Cook and Moore) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 13:38:40 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Doom! Bayard answers to Chris: >Hiya Chris- > >> "We are all doomed, but some of us are more doomed than others." >> -Robyn Hitchcock > >this is from the _invisible hitch_ liner, i'm pretty sure. Jeez, don't you two talk at home anymore? Too lazy? - --Quail PS: Hey, LJ, I may be a bit late, can you pick up some cookies for me? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:03:47 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: A Can of Bee Stings Fegs. I actually know a little about bee behavior. Before I moved into my current house it had been unoccupied for almost a year, enough time for honeybees to build the biggest nest I'd ever seen on any building, and also to penetrate the roof. Every year in April they swarm in the spot where the nest was, and try to get in under the roof. Those that succeed in getting into the house usually are so weakened by the residual pesticides that they die within a few hours; so each year we put all their poor little dusty carcasses in a coffee can and play "Agony of Pleasure" and the Soft Boys' "A Can of Bees" as a sort of musical salute. I know it's morbid, and also probably weenieish (morbidly weenie-ish?) but it was the only thing I could think of, and now it's a tradition. You don't mess with traditions, especially the morbid ones. And besides, I like that album. Anyway, bees are attracted by honey and pheromones. Since the bee probably wasn't near its nest, it was probably a scout looking for honey or a new place to colonize. When Eb got stung by a bee in a Mexican restaurant, it was probably because he or someone nearby ordered a sopapilla, and Eb just got in the way. (Other high-risk food items might include baklava and certain breakfast cereals, such as Honey Bunches o' Venom.) I suppose it's theoretically possible for a human being to secrete pheromones that are close enough to a particular colony's "alarm" pheromone to make them more likely to attack, but that's exceptionally unlikely, and besides, if that were the case Eb would probably have been swarmed, and what's more it would probably be a constant problem for him. On the other hand, peoples' pheromones can change with age, so this may just be the beginning... One more thing: Various after-shaves or colognes would be more likely to *mask* pheromone scents, unless the cologne actually contained pheromone derivatives. Come to think of it, I've heard of such colognes! Hmmm... interesting, but I can't imagine why anybody would want to wear something like that? John H. Hedges PS. It really is good to know there are other Albertos Y Lost Trios Paranoias fans on the list! If anybody needs a dub of "Italians from Outer Space," drop me a line and we'll do a trade or something. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:12:09 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Covenant in DC, 10/27 (no RH content, I'm afraid) >As a special added attraction, Oct. 27 is also, ahem, my birthday. So >come on out and help me celebrate (or drown my sorrows)! Maybe we can get >the DJs to play some of _Storefront Hitchcock_ between sets. I also noticed that in order to celebrate your birthday that "Sergei" Einsturzende Neubauten has decided to release a new record on that day! (happy 45th, baby, you don't look a day over 31, I swear to God, especially now that you've got one of those stylish gen-X goatees) lj, who knows deep in her heart that those dear, dear Gallagher brothers mean no harm and just want to make their mum proud... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:46:50 -0500 From: "Chaney, Dolph L" Subject: Dolphtour (100% schoolmarm-bait content) Hi Fegs. Got a bit of a favor to ask. I'm starting to gather info in view of playing live around the US next year. What I'd like to do is go to various cities where I have friends and play a show or two in their town. This would probably be done in several weekend spurts, with one week set aside for west coast activities. My goals here are to see my friends and sell these CDs that'll be filling up my office and apartment in about 3 weeks. 8-) What I'd be toting on the trip would be acoustic guitar, electric guitar, amp, and Moog. I've got no band at the moment. So, the kinds of venues I'm looking at would be coffeehouses, small open-minded clubs, and other performance venues where the lack of drums and/or the presence of occasionally-really-loud electric guitar doesn't cause a problem. I also like doing house concerts. My question to you: where should I play in your town? Fegmusos, in particular -- if there's a venue that treated you really well or really badly, pleeeeeeease let me know. I've been using some of the Web-based tour planning thingies (mutiny.net/ugrr, deterrent.bc.ca and musicianassist.com), and that's been helpful, but I want to hear from you! You know, sometime I really should talk about Robyn on this list. Splotchily, Dolph ps: welcome back, Miles! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:50:37 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: just like my da-addy, sellin his ba-aby... So, thanks to Ebformation, on Friday Quail and I got to attend the taping of Sessions on West 54th Street, starring Rufus Wainwright! It was a great show, and we were sitting fairly close to the front, so when it airs you can all watch and keep an eye out for us. (I'm the one in the front row eating Kentucky Fried Chicken) Rufus was wonderful to see live-- he's very chatty and entertaining, and his voice is simply incredible. He has such a rich, languid sound. If you ever get a chance to see him, by all means go-- we have both been humming 'Danny Boy' for days now. I was surprised to learn that most of the backup singing is done by his sister Martha, and they are a very cute Carpenteresque pair when you see them performing together. They were even wearing matching outfits. Rufus also mentioned that he is going to be performing on New Year's eve here in NYC at the Life Cafe. Sessions on West 54th Street, by the way, REALLY takes place on West 53rd... I checked the Web site for when this show might air, but all I found out was that this week's show is Lou Reed (airs on Sunday night most places). Their Web site is pretty cool! The next couple of notable shows are: - -------------copied from their site-------------------- November 21 Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach (One-Hour Special) After almost two years of collaboration, Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach, two prodigiously award-winning musicians, have created an exciting new album that adds a new definition to songwriting. - --------------------------------- [yee-ha!!][but this is ALL they have to say about the Creator of the Universe?] - -------------copied from their site-------------------- November 28 Cowboy Junkies and Kronos Quartet Cowboy Junkies' signature sound combines a deep fluid groove with a seductive pop sensibility. Vocals by Margo Timmins are lovely; their haunting version of Lou Reed's "Sweet Jane" helped to launch their careers. In the past twenty-five years, Kronos Quartet has developed from new-wave classical provocateurs to one of the most prolific and important commissioners/performers of genre-busting new music (400 new string quartets from six continents). Their work is eclectic, electric, and cerebral, and often breathes fire. - --------------------------------- [uh, yeah....fire breathing, that's right] Speaking of Kronos and starfucking in general, we also saw Kronos Quartet's 25th anniversary shows this week at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. We saw Billy Corgan there the first night (he's taller than you'd think)(but just as creepy-lookin in person), and on the third night, Laurie Anderson was there. (She was standing right in front of us, eating an apple, while Q was cruelly forcing me to chug a whole glass of wine--that boy sure gets all anxious when they blink the house lights to end intermission!) okay, enough from me... lj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:27:56 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: from the BBC.... >Well this'll never get reported if one of us doesn't call the BBC and tell >them...whose turn is it this time? I'm sure the brothers would be very upset to hear that some random music geek dislikes them. Get on the blower right away and let the BBC know, somebody! I think probably what fueled this outburst was just having read some comments by Momus about Oasis World Domination and the rise of yobbo culture right about the time that email came in to the box. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Re: GQ article now on line Thanks, it was a wonderful read. On an otherwise boring Monday. I thank you again. I'm looking for info on MatchingMole. Anyone? Recommended cd; Porcupine Tree "The Sky Moves Sideways" Pat. (who's counselors keep saying he's drifting through life....) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:51:05 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: from the BBC.... > >Well this'll never get reported if one of us doesn't call the BBC and tell > >them...whose turn is it this time? > > I'm sure the brothers would be very upset to hear that some random music > geek dislikes them. Get on the blower right away and let the BBC know, > somebody! I'm saying that what if one day 50, I say 50 people walk into the BBC office and each sing a bar of "I'm tired of Oasis".... Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 13:06:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: from the BBC.... ======== Original Message ======== > >Well this'll never get reported if one of us doesn't call the BBC and tell > >them...whose turn is it this time? > > I'm sure the brothers would be very upset to hear that some random music > geek dislikes them. Get on the blower right away and let the BBC know, > somebody! I'm saying that what if one day 50, I say 50 people walk into the BBC office and each sing a bar of "I'm tired of Oasis".... Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== well, then we'd have a movement ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:34:43 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: from the BBC.... >> I'm sure the brothers would be very upset to hear that some random music >> geek dislikes them. Get on the blower right away and let the BBC know, >> somebody! > >I'm saying that what if one day 50, I say 50 people walk into the BBC >office and each sing a bar of "I'm tired of Oasis".... Oh, I'm sure we could find more than 50. But it would become yet another Oasis related news story in the end, worse luck. There is no escape from the Oasis bee! It just has to sting itself out and die. I guess I wouldn't care about them either way if they weren't such a fucking juggernaut. Actually I even have that one album, "What's The Story?" and enjoyed its recycled Beatle/Glam riffs for awhile, again, in a kind of postmodern way like "spot the steal!" and hey, I like the Beatles and TRex too. After a couple months it started gathering dust, which is its status now. There's just nothing in it. It's just a barren surface. I mean, to paraphrase Eliot "here there is no water, but only rock". Pun intended. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:14:33 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: from the BBC....(that cat fight you wanted, Eb) Susan writes: >I guess I wouldn't care about them either way if they weren't such a >fucking juggernaut. Actually I even have that one album, "What's The >Story?" and enjoyed its recycled Beatle/Glam riffs for awhile, again, in a >kind of postmodern way like "spot the steal!" and hey, I like the Beatles >and TRex too. Okay, I finally can resist no more, and I will take the bait, although the Oasis-is-shite argument has really gotten old at this point. Susan, I will say the same thing to you that I say to EVERYONE who claims to hate Oasis because they are just "ripping off the Beatles": Please point out to me, in specific detail, exactly WHERE on any one of their albums they are ripping off the Beatles. I'm not saying they're NOT, I'm just saying that NO ONE up to this point has been able to point out a single fucking example! All I have heard is bitching and generalizing! I am not thoroughly familiar with the structure and chords of all Beatles songs, and I am not arguing that it's not true-- I simple have never been shown an example. This is all I ask. Please do "spot the steals" for me. So yeah, it sounds like they are trying to sound like Sgt. Pepper in places, and yeah, they DO make lyrical references to some Beatles songs (they also refer to Dylan, but I haven't heard anyone claim that they are "ripping off" him); they even do a cover of [gasp!] "I Am The Walrus"-- but can you really substantiate this absurd claim that they are "ripping them off"? What does that even mean? Maybe they have some similar chord progressions or something? Perhaps I need someone to define "ripping off," because that suggests to me that they are out-and-out STEALING music from the Beatles. Is this the case? I am no Beatles expert, but I sure the hell haven't heard any Beatles songs on any of their albums. And sheesh, don't you expect a little bit more from the Beatles? John Lennon is probably turning over in his grave at all of these insulting comparisons! Come on, hasn't pretty much all recent pop and rock music been in some way derivative of or greatly influenced by the foundations the Bealtes laid down? And the Beach Boys? And Dylan? And the Rolling Stones? Do I need to trot out that tired old argument again? I have the Apples in Stereo album, which is much-favored by snooty rock-crit types; now if you ask me, that is the biggest Beatles ripoff album in the world, but they get PRAISED for copying the Beatles. Why is that? Because they have credible highbrow indie-rock status, and Oasis just wants to make some fucking money and snort cocaine and fuck some groupies and be as obnoxious as they want? What does that have to do with THE MUSIC? And even if they are assholes who make derivative music, does that make it LESS enjoyable? Can't something be derivative AND enjoyable? lj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #403 *******************************