From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #402 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, October 25 1998 Volume 07 : Number 402 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Oh dear, I'm embarrassed now. [Carole Reichstein ] Bzzzz. . . . [The Bee God ] Scrambled synapses [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] FegChecks! ["Karen Reichstein" ] GQ article now on line [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Robyn's UK management ["Matt Browne" ] let me reintroduce myself... [long, list-related] [Miles Goosens ] Re: Eb's top ten/ peeing in pants [lj lindhurst ] Things I Thought Would Never Happen [JH3 ] 0% everything, really [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: Beestung [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: FegChecks! [Capuchin ] Re: let me reintroduce myself... [long, list-related] [Aaron Mandel ] Re: 0% everything, really [Terrence M Marks ] j.h.a.jerk/ peeing in pants [Bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Oh dear, I'm embarrassed now. The sob story I tried to post last Wednesday (see similar post, "Stamped Heart remedies") suddenly joined the Feg digest. Uh, that's what I get for joining Hotmail. Sorry, Woj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:51:44 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: stamped heart remedies (10% Robyn content) Carole wrote: >Is there a cure all, besides just waiting for it to pass? Oh sure, I've >been through this before, but I'm a bit curious if Fegs have certain >rituals to memorialize failed romances. A long red bottle of wine >certainly helps, as does "Eye"...together they're just about lethal. Do >you play "I watch the cars" ten times in a row? Take a hot bath and listen >to IODOT? What? IODOT, Eye, even Invisible Hitchcock are not good ideas. You've gotten yourself into an unnatural state of mind, being in love, and wallowing in songs about love or lost love isn't going to help (although the sympathy is nice). If you want to replace your sad feelings with other feelings you need something guaranteed to force them in there. If you were a boy the situation would be easier, since there's always Who's Next (for energy) and side 2 of Invisible Hits (for misogyny). Dr. Sticky recommends playing the following and singing along, getting into the spirit of the songs as much as possible: Underwater Moonlight (the first ten, original songs, shouting along with "Insanely Jealous" and "Tonight") Black Snake Diamond Role ("Brenda's Iron Sledge" is catharsis; "The Lizard" "Acid Bird" and "Meat" can put you in a much better frame of mind.) Globe of Frogs ("Devil Mask" and "Unsettled", of course, but also how can you care about some boy when Balloon Man is blowing up in your hand?) "The Yip Song" -- the only really great song on Respect, and now you know why. Pay attention to the sinister "Vera Lynnnynynynn"s and be sure to holler YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP! With a few more of these, you'll be sure to replace that unhappy feeling of unrequited love and inadequacy with something more positive, like supercilious amusement at humanity and general loathing. Remember: an angel's head on a baboon's body! Well, this approach has always worked for me... it got me through any number of ugly situations in college. (If that doesn't work, try Steeleye Span: bouncy tunes about ancient wars and hideous monsters. The bounciness makes them take over your brain, then the subject matter nicely replaces what's troubling you.) - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: D# This reminds me.... Several years ago, I saw an episode of some show about Davy Crockett. In it, Davy was challenged by some big and burly boatman to a race. The condition was that the loser would eat his hat. Davy, of course, won, but magnanimously gave the boatman a duplicate of the boatman's hat so that when the boatman went back to town after having eaten his hat, he wouldn't look have to put up with, I suppose, the jeers of the townfolk. So in other words, the "Lucky Charms" clue is entirely off. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 98 11:50:40 -0400 From: The Bee God Subject: Bzzzz. . . . Roger Jackson, bzzz. . . . Thizzz izz the Bee God. You have not anzzwered our lazt email, zo we are zending thiz to that Lizzzt of yourzz. Az agreed, our agent drone carried out the azzazzination attempt, but the target waz much larger than you infomed uzzz! After an heroic kamikaze dive towardz the target'z vile arm, that organ which haz penned zo many harmful thingz, our drone delivered the ordinance package (Type Zeven-Zee "Ztinger" AMRAM) and zuicided quietly on a nearby vegetarian burrito with green sauze. Bzzz. Az agreed, we ztill expect payment -- thatz three bottlez of Honey-Bear Honey and a bootleg video of Blind Melonz' "No Rain" to bee left by the traszh can outzide, right near all those zcrumptious empty zoda cans. Zzz. Even though thiz mizzion againzt the Eb-Thing waz a failure, we zwear our next will be zuccezzful. Even now, the our greatest bee-zcientizts are working on a way to integrate our bee-time travel devizes with lollipop technology, hzz hzz hzz. We will go back to the pazt and terminate your enemy there as a young larvae, hzz hzz hzz. . . . . But now we zend the zwarm to New York Zity -- death to all who oppoze uz! Bzz! Bzz! - --TBG P.Z.: Don't forget to tell Denize that we haven't forgotten her . . . zhe zhould watch that Peter Gabriel video more clozely, hzz hzz hzz. . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Scrambled synapses >Incidentally, Denise is excited about a new discovery, nowadays. >Apparently, a skywriter was writing "PEPSI ONE" above her house, and >midway >through the first E, it looked like he had written "PF" (ie, "Pink >Floyd"). Oh my God, I saw that yesterday! I was out driving and saw the letters "PEP" in the sky and wondered what they were - I thought it had something to do with the football game that day. Denise and I live near each other, so I must have just intercepted a message meant for her! Wow, that clears up a big mystery... Speaking of mentally ill people, the Nick Drake biography has finally been published in America and I spent much of last night reading it and getting thoroughly bummed out. It's pretty good - and those of you obsessed with a certain British singer-songwriter ex-Fairport Convention member might be interested to know that there are some interesting interviews with Linda Thompson in the book, who apparently briefly dated Nick Drake before she was married to Richard T. (Although "dated," in the case of Drake, seems to mean "occasionally had physical contact with.") The biography is by Patrick Humphries, and it's published by Bloomsbury. So check it out, and keep your Prozac handy. My sympathies go out to the broken-hearted and bee-stung. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:33:49 PST From: "Karen Reichstein" Subject: FegChecks! ...so last night I'm browsing the web, searching for those el cheapo checks you can order thru third party companies. One vendor offered custom logos and photos for businesses. Hey! I thought. Feg Checks! Instead of a boring monogram in the upper left hand corner of a check, you could have a groovy little encircled Thoth for all the world to see. Subtle, but distinctive. FegCurrency! Capuchin? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: GQ article now on line My team of typing monkeys (thanks, Capuchin!) have come through, and the Robyn GQ article is now online at http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gnat/rh.html . Check it out, it's a decent article - the writer is clearly a fan, even if she does get a few facts wrong here and there. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:17:07 +0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: Robyn's UK management Hello there, people! How are y'all? Before I get down to the meat and potatoes of this mail (no euphemism intended), you may remember that I posted to the list a few weeks ago asking about how I could track down Robyn's A&M releases. I was almost overwhelmed by the kind responses I got - so my heartfelt thanks to the 20+ people who offered to help me out. Anyway, I'm now a fully-fledged fegmaniax subscriber, and I have another question: * Does Robyn have management in the UK at the moment? If so, what's his manager's fax number / contact address? Sorry if the management information is common knowledge. I'm extremely keen on trying to get him to participate in a phone-based interview for my (local) radio show. The fact that Robyn has so many new projects coming to their fruition means that I can give a genuine excuse for interviewing someone *interesting* for once! I've heard that Robyn seems to have ever-changing management, so it seems to make sense to go through fegmaniax for the latest info. - -- Matt Browne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:22:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: let me reintroduce myself... [long, list-related] Hi. If you don't know me, or don't recall me posting that much to Fegmaniax, then you've probably joined the list after late '95. I used to be a regular on the list. For a number of reasons, most of them personal, I withdrew from the Internet for a bit in the fall and early winter of '95. However, I kept my list subscriptions, so batches and batches of mail piled up during this hibernation. In early '96, I started making my way through the posts that had accumulated in my absence. I found that Fegmaniax had become a vastly different list. Gone was the good-natured chumminess and generous spirit that had made Fegland so special. In its place were not one but two idiotic flamewars -- one with the Beach Boys at its center (and the arguments, with some exceptions, not going much beyond "Beach Boys suck!" and "Beach Boys rule!"), another that shall only be dubbed the "Dylan lights his own farts" flamewar. Don't ask. Yes, I know that Fegmaniax' flamewars were mild by comparison to usenet and other mailing lists. However, flaming was par for the course in those quarters, but its presence on Fegmaniax was a new, disturbing thing. As a consequence, I began to pay less attention to the Feglist. I encounter more than enough unpleasantness just from living in the world; why should I voluntarily submit to watching people yell at each other during my spare time? My pattern ever since, especially after acquiring Eudora Pro and its wonderful "filtering" capabilities, has been to let Fegmail accumulate in its own mailbox, then (aside from things that look like tour itineraries or attacks on Led Zeppelin, which are of course read immediately) read through the apparent highlights every three months or so. So for a long time I haven't been as actively involved with the list as I once was. When I did read through the list mail, it seemed like Fegmaniax had taken on a "whack-a-mole" quality, i.e., someone would express their opinion, then someone else would hit them on the head with a large mallet. The advent of Eb only accelerated this tendency, further polarizing the list. Both Eb and the list have adapted to one another over time, but the initial encounter was *not* a pretty thing. Even as late as this spring, it seemed like every time I read more than a few Feg messages, there was something or other that put me off, such as the endless Eb vs. Ben broadsides over the Grateful Dead, a thread that may well have been longer and more difficult to endure than an actual Grateful Dead concert. I was about ready to unsubscribe earlier this year, but an off-list exchange with Woj persuaded me to hang around at least a bit longer. About three weeks ago I began reading through this summer's Feg posts, a few dozen a day. And while there were still some threads that made me wonder if I should stick around, the thing that struck me now (whether because of a change in the list's tenor or a change in myself, or maybe both) was how much I liked about the list and how much I was missing by not being an active part of the list anymore. (A partial list of the things I like about the list includes: Woj, Bayard, James Dignan, Eb (though I shudder at what new offenses he will commit as a consequence of me including him in this list of "good things about Fegmaniax"!!!), lj, Eddie Tews, MarkG, MikeG, Susan, Natalie, Quail, Jeme/Capuchin, Mike Runion, Dave Lang, Gary Parker (we need to get back in touch, fella), JH3, Hal, not to mention people I share other lists with like doug, aaron, and Andy Snyder. And the notes from Randi have been both uplifting and devastating, often within the same sentence. And the Surreal Posse, long may they wave. And the Permatree. And travelogues. And "wheeeee!") Once again smitten, I was composing this message in my head when "Roger Jackson"'s screed hit the list; little wonder that I should have taken his bait. I knew that it was a troll, but what the hell, sometimes wielding that giant-sized mallet feels darn good. And whether "Roger"'s post was sincere or 100% Andy Kaufman performance art, I don't care. I like it here. And I'm going to take some of my own advice too -- if I don't like some things about Fegmaniax, why not post myself instead of silently fuming about how things used to be? 'Sides, I think things are pretty good in Fegland again, and it's high time I slithered out from under my rock to join the surreal party again. thanks for listening, Miles, who (catching up with list mail): 1) knows that Feghoots also used to appear in ISAAC ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION MAGAZINE, and later in AMAZING. Their appearance in both magazines coincided with George Schithers' (sp?) editorship. 2) just read Mike Runion's latest contribution to the Cope story *today*, hence his lack of response to it. 3) never has owned a Scottie or Westie, though he'd like to own a Dachschund or Corgie. 4) has always liked "The Yip Song," even when he heard it performed on the Egyptians' '92 tour well before RESPECT came out. 5) dislikes the Grateful Dead and their spiritual offspring (Dave Matthews, Phish, Widespread Panic, etc.), but who likes "jamming" when King Crimson does it, and would be hard-pressed to explain why he likes one but not the other. 6) thinks that FEGMANIA! is the only Robyn album that could be described as riff-heavy (groove-heavy too!), though the riffage is of a much more subtle kind and further back in the mix than, say, LED ZEP IV, and hence not obvious to the casual listener. 7) laughed riotously at the Quail and Sharkguy's ripostes to "Roger." 8) would like to attend a Fegfest at some point in '99. 9) has some on-topic things to say about the two tapes recently treed, but will do so in another post. ================================================== Miles Goosens R. Stevie Moore website, now with sound! http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal page, all silent all the time: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles Join the Wire Mailing List: http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/wire ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:45:08 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: CD-Recorder John, go for the 840av. The CPU speed is fast enough by all means. The biggest disadvantage of the 6300 is that you can't do SCSI copies with IDE devices. My recommendation would be to not buy a TEAC CD-R if you want to copy music CDs. They are good machines, but you can't copy music CDs directly with them, you have to copy the AIFF files to a hard disk first. I've had good experiences with both Yamaha and Philips. One further note: you'll have trouble copying from the o40's internal CD to the CD-R if you're trying to do anything higher than 1x, since the 840's CD is only 2x itself. If you're planning to do some serious CD-copying I'd recommend an additional new, faster CD-ROM drive... Greetings and good luck, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Kempener Str. 66, 50733 Köln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:11:41 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Eb's top ten/ peeing in pants >I honestly thought you had peed your pants (or worse!), as a child does, Did I ever tell you guys the story about how I PEED IN MY PANTS a couple of years ago? (yes, as an ADULT!!) Want to hear it? Or is that too disgusting even for this list? hey, and Q (who is standing behind me making incessant remarks the whole time I am typing this) and I had a strange conversation this morning about bees before either of us even read our fegs mail! We were talking about how amazing it is that people ever get bee stings; what would make a bee just suddenly fly up to you and sting you? Not only that, but I am still in the process of reading "The Life of the Bee" (a spell-binding book)! And I know D# has got to be involved in here somewhere. lj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:21:09 -0600 (CST) From: JH3 Subject: Things I Thought Would Never Happen So I fail to check my feg-mail for a mere 3 days, and when I do there's all this really surprising stuff. Such as... Eb, quoting Chris Morris of the L.A. Weekly: >Finally, C.P. Lee, a former member of the English punk band >Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias, has offered his own recollections >of the May 17 Manchester show... Albertos content on the feglist? (I should point out here that I'm probably the only human being alive that owns everything the Albertos ever recorded.) Yikes! And all this time, I had no idea that C.P. Lee was a big Dylan fan. This might explain the poignant poeticism of "Kill" and "Gobbing on Life"... Carole Reichstein asks: >Besides drinking oneself into a stupor (which I'm not doing, by the >way, it's unhealthy), what is the best remedy for you wounded fegs? Look, what's all this about wanting to know which Robyn Hitchcock albums to listen to when you've been given the ol' brush-off? I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but listening to music of ANY kind isn't going to help. I mean, it's simple, isn't it? Just create a mental image in your mind of the guy (the one who broke up with you, not Robyn) going to the bathroom, and having a tough time, uh, you know, *getting it out*. Bingo, problem solved! (Am I, like, the only one who knows this technique?) Later, Karen (any relation?) Reichstein suggested: >Feg Checks! Instead of a boring monogram in the upper >left hand corner of a check, you could have a groovy >little encircled Thoth for all the world to see. If I didn't know any better I'd think that Karen here had actually posted a setup for me to plug my web-site, which contains symbol graphic files (i.e., vector art, including Thoth, each in several formats) which would be ideal for this very purpose. The URL is http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/robyn. And finally, from fellow Wire fan Miles Goosens: >(A partial list of the things I like about the list includes: >Woj, Bayard, James Dignan, Eb , lj, Eddie Tews, MarkG, >MikeG, Susan, Natalie, Quail, Jeme/Capuchin, Mike Runion, Dave >Lang, Gary Parker (we need to get back in touch, fella), JH3, >Hal, not to mention people I share other lists with... Holy shit, now I've officially seen everything. I actually made somebody's favorite-feg list? Funny, it didn't seem that cold this weekend... Certainly not cold enough for Hell to freeze over! John H. Hedges III, Inc. PS. The "Bob Dylan fart-lighting" thread wasn't THAT bad, was it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:14:17 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: 0% everything, really OTAAAAAAAAAAAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! 49-20! Brendon Laney is a god - Jeff Wilson is a god - Anton Oliver, Josh Kronfeld, Taine, Tony, Reuben, Romi, Isitolo, Kees, Carl, John L, Byron, Brendan, John B... we've got a blue'n'gold pantheon down here! erm...sorry...don't know what came over me then... James (in Otago, home of champions, proudly waving an inverted Ukrainian flag) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:16:06 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Beestung In a message dated 98-10-25 18:21:17 EST, you write: << We were talking about how amazing it is that people ever get bee stings; what would make a bee just suddenly fly up to you and sting you? >> Last time I got stung by a bee was actually pretty weird, too. It was about ten years ago now (damn, time flies!). I stepped on one. . . on the beach, of all places! Just walking along on the sand, a good 100 yards from anything other than sand or water, and that little fucker stung me (I'm sure it felt pretty resentful, too). Anyway, just thought I'd share my own little beesting story. Hate bees. Hate 'em! - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: FegChecks! On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Karen Reichstein wrote: > Hey! I thought. Feg Checks! Instead of a boring monogram in the upper > left hand corner of a check, you could have a groovy little encircled > Thoth for all the world to see. Subtle, but distinctive. FegCurrency! > Capuchin? I'm SO on it. Do you have a url? - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:23:02 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: let me reintroduce myself... [long, list-related] On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Miles Goosens wrote: > 5) dislikes the Grateful Dead and their spiritual offspring (Dave Matthews, > Phish, Widespread Panic, etc.), but who likes "jamming" when King Crimson > does it, and would be hard-pressed to explain why he likes one but not the > other. perhaps i haven't heard enough of them, but Dave Matthews Band have never quite fit into that scene, in my mind. their fans are certainly in the Deadheads' lineage, but the music itself is more like Peter Gabriel's filler with occasional tantalizing steps into Camper Van Beethoven's old territory. obRobyn: listened to both "Royal Albert Hall" recordings in a row, and i like Robyn's rendition of "Ballad Of A Thin Man" better than Dylan's own. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Danielle Subject: Re: 0% everything, really James: > OTAAAAAAAAAAAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Hearty congratulations from the JAFA with Mainland roots. Danielle, who can afford to be maganimous from 12,000 kilometres away ;) NP Money Mark, Push the Button (still, all afternoon) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: 0% everything, really > 49-20! Brendon Laney is a god - Jeff Wilson is a god - Anton Oliver, Josh > Kronfeld, Taine, Tony, Reuben, Romi, Isitolo, Kees, Carl, John L, Byron, > Brendan, John B... we've got a blue'n'gold pantheon down here! I dunno...I was kinda disappointed with the last Brendon Laney album. I think that he peaked in '89 and apart from that one-off single, he's been downhill ever since. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:00:09 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: j.h.a.jerk/ peeing in pants On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, lj lindhurst wrote: > Did I ever tell you guys the story about how I PEED IN MY PANTS a couple of > years ago? (yes, as an ADULT!!) Want to hear it? Or is that too > disgusting even for this list? i dunno, but if you tell yours, i'll tell mine. (it's not THAT exciting...) > hey, and Q (who is standing behind me making incessant remarks the whole > time I am typing this) and I had a strange conversation this morning about > bees before either of us even read our fegs mail! We were talking about > how amazing it is that people ever get bee stings; what would make a bee > just suddenly fly up to you and sting you? if i'm not mistaken, certain scents will do it - do you wear cologne, Eb? AND LATER... yeah right, you're SOOO dislikable! Face it JH, you're one of the hi-profile fegs just like the others Miles listed. Who cares if you hate NMH? (Besides Eb, that is.) Better not let Susan know if you don't like the Beatles... Will my life be in danger if I disclose to this list that I am deathly allergic to bee venom? =b np _The Big Express_ (Chris') ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #402 *******************************