From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #394 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 07 : Number 394 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ...eats schoolmarms [hal brandt ] Re: This List Sucks! ["JH3" ] JH3 strikes again! [hal brandt ] Beeb & drugs [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: this list sucks. [Patrick Welker ] Re: mercury [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Roger sez [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] Re: c? [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] eats schoolmarms for fucking breakfast and lunch and dinner and between birth control sessions and after any flatulation and before you try anything else,,, ever [] Re: This List Sucks! [Ross Overbury ] Re: This List Sucks! [tanter ] Re: This List Sucks! [Terrence M Marks ] The Firm: Were they really so bad? [Eb ] Beware of Dodgeness (party review) [normal@grove.ufl.edu] Re: The Firm: Were they really so bad? ["Chris!" ] Re: This List Sucks! [West ] Re: This List Sucks! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: et al (0RH - don't bother, Roger!) [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:48:27 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: Re: ...eats schoolmarms Eb wrote: > > Roger: > > I don't see anyone twisting your arm to stay, bub. I'll twist a little. I'm always glad to see someone who is interested in RobynH minutiae/tape trading. Hang out, Roger. More RH news, etc. should be forthcoming as his activity increases around the new releases. As Eb said: > maybe there aren't so many posts about Storefront Hitchcock because > most people haven't heard the album yet? ...so, stick around. You're amongst friends. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:56:33 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: This List Sucks! Not THE Roger Jackson, surely? (Something tells me this was a prank, but what the hell...) >This list...is miserable. Posts about trees, trades, or >anything even remotely related to Robyn are rare. Uh, would this be a good time or a bad time to announce that J-Cards for the Rams' Head and GAMH tree tapes are now available at http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/robyn ? Just follow the instructions when you get there (i.e., save the graphic locally and use a bitmap editor, don't try to print it from your web browser.) And if you missed it earlier, there are vector-graphic files of various Robyn-related symbols, etc. (such as Thoth) there too. I really did spend a lot of time on them... >Instead, we get personal anecdotes, incidental >remarks, and just plain foolishness. Wait a minute - do cheap wisecracks fall under the category of "incidental remarks" or "just plain foolishness"? (I just have to know so that my timesheets will be accurate - we get in trouble if we bill our clients for the wrong activity.) >Please, people, it is pathetic to fill the list with your surrealistic >insipidities. It's barely tolerable from Hitchcock himself at this >point in his career, let alone a bunch of stoned students. I agree. Down with surrealistic insipidities! Down with Robyn! Down with students! Down with stonings! Down with everything! Down with nihilsm, even! (I finally saw "The Big Lebowski" the other night...) >Give me a break. I know there are others who feel this >same way. Maybe a new list devoted to substantial info >concerning Robyn needs to be started. OK. Send an e-mail to mdaemon@alternatech.net, no subject line, and just the words SUBSCRIBE MARMORAMA in the body of the message. John H. Hedges III, Inc. cheap wisecracking fool ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:08:25 -0600 From: hal brandt Subject: JH3 strikes again! JH3 wrote: > J-Cards for the > Rams' Head and GAMH tree tapes are now available at > http://www.alternatech.net/jh3/robyn > > I really did spend a lot of time on them... Those look GREAT, John. Thank you for the effort. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:13:56 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Beeb & drugs >PS "Auntie" for the BBC goes back quite a long way, but I am fairly >certain that "Beeb" was invented by the late much-lamented Kenny Everett >when he joined the BBC from the pirates in 1967. Definitely not earlier. he certainly claims to have invented the term (in his autobiography "The custard stops at Hatfield") PS - welcome to John from another Chalkhiller! >Someone on a previous note included alcohol and caffeine on the same >list, and it made me chuckle. LSD, psylicibin, THC etc.. are like water >compared to alcohol. I have seen alcohol do more damage than anything >else, including cocaine and heroin. Sure none of them are good in excess, >but I would much rather someone be addicted to pot, than hooked on >phonics, I mean alcohol. It was me who mentioned it. Agreed - to an extent. Having done a comparative study of the relative effects short and long term of alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, tetrahydrocannabinol and d-lysergic acid several years ago [1], it's pretty clear from most indicators that alcohol falls behind LSD but ahead of the others in terms of long term direct damage. The most addictive appears to be nicotine, believe it or not, which is not that harmful in itself, but is almost always tied in with huge amounts of really evil goop [2] in its delivery system. However, alcohol *in small amounts* can have, according to some sources, slight beneficial effects, as can THC. In these circumstances the good effects can outweigh the bad ones. Although it's an ill drug that has no medical use, this is not the case with the other mentioned drugs - even in small doses the bad effects outweigh the good ones [3]. Caffeine appears to be relatively innocuous. But only relatively. James [1] It was a huge while back, so please don't ask for references... the names Henningfield and Benowitz were both frequently cited ISTR, and a lot of the articles were in the New England Journal of Medicine. [2] please excuse the technical jargon. [3] of course, that largely depends how you define bad and good and the relative weights you place on them... James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: Re: this list sucks. >> I haven't seen anything substantial about the Cambridge disc,<< It wasn't really worth the $17.49 I paid. >>of mostly mediocre live music and out-of-order track listings.<< Well, it does have a lovely version of Globe of Frogs. Satellite is kinda nice too. Still, wasn't worth the price... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:31:46 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: mercury > >I thought 'Behind Blue Eyes' was the last > >decent song that Townshend wrote - can't stand things like 'Teenage hell, there are songs from as recently as White City which can just about cut it. Certainly not qwuite the same 'whee' effect as the earlier stuff, but the match of many of the young whippersnappers... >Yes, I read that too -- Frank claimed he had many dust-fuzzy balls of >mercury constantly rolling around under his bed. For those of you not in >the know, mercury vapour causes dain bramage, affecting the CNS and >giving people nervous tics and twitches, stutterings, and general >symptoms of "madness." This was the origin of the phrase "mad as a >hatter," as Victorian-era haberdashers used mercury fulminate in the >pressing of felt, breathing in Hg vapours all day long, la la la. . . . > >I can't really say what the White Rabbit was on, though. . . . . well, one pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small... >The way I heard it, the etymology of Lewis Carrol's "mad hatter" was a >corruption of "mad as an adder" (that's "mad" as in "venemous" or >"harmful"). Of course, this was probably from the source that told me that pure >mercury was mostly harmless, that mercury compounds were the real >carcinogens. The carcinogenic natrure of mercury's compounds is completely unrelated to its madness inducing qualities. Also, I'm fairly sure that the phrase predates Carroll. His Mad Hatter was named from the phrase, which is reputed to be to do with the mercury vapour. James (who will be seeing Alice this evening ;) PS - did you know that the adder was originally called the nadder? Over time, "A nadder" simply changed to "An adder". Weird but true! James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:07 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Roger sez Roger sez: >This list, however, is miserable. Posts about trees, trades, or >anything even remotely related to Robyn are rare. Instead, we get >personal anecdotes, incidental remarks, and just plain foolishness. perhaps it's just that most Robyn fans like talking about this sort of thing, especially when there's damnall Robyn related to talk about. >Please, people, it is pathetic to fill the list with your surrealistic >insipidities. It's barely tolerable from Hitchcock himself at this >point in his career, let alone a bunch of stoned students. stoned? You haven't been reading this list lately, have you? And exactly what makes it pathetic? Do you think it's pathetic because we don't spend all our time poring over the setlists to shows from 1973 - a far more exciting thing for fans to do, no doubt, or do you find it pathetic because you personally do not like it? There is, remember, a partner list to this one which deals purely with robyn info. It sounds to me like that might be more your cup of porridge. >In the past few weeks, I haven't seen anything substantial about the >Cambridge disc, very little on Storefront Hitchcock, and nothing in >the way of possible treed material. very little on Storefront Hitchcock, >and nothing in the way of possible treed material. you really haven't been reading have you? We went through a spate of reviews and other info on Storefront Hitchcock about a month and a half back,and some of us haven't written simply because it has yet to be released in our out-of-the-way parts of the planet. In the last digest we had dlang waxing lyrical on Robyn's between song banter, Doc talking about Robyn on the BBC with Ned Sherrin, details as to the availability of the Cambridge disc, and a reevaluation of some lyrics from IODOT. As to a tape tree, we appear to be in a temporary lull between our frequent treeings, possibly brought about by the anticipation of the new and also very old Robyn material which appears to be in the offing. > I have, however, seen stuff on >Zappa, aging, and whatever movie various members thought was cool that >day. well, most interesting lists have all sorts of threads going. Those that don't either have a very strict policy on threads (the XTC listmeister, for instance, occasionally closes topics that have got out of hand, as does the listmeister of the King Crimson list), or are so deathly dull that people would be shocked if an offtopic thread was introduced. This latter is possibly the case on the Julian Cope list you mentioned - I was on this list several years back and it was unrelentingly dull, dull, dull. Perhaps it's changed since then, but you'd think that fans of such a (dare I say it?) quirky performer as the ArchDrude would have enough imagination to make the list interesting! >Give me a break. I know there are others who feel this >same way. let's hear from 'em! Perhaps they are on our partner list now >Maybe a new list devoted to substantial info concerning >Robyn needs to be started. you mean like the info only list? > On the Roy Harper list, if there isn't >anything to talk about, then nothing is sent. now this is just sad. Don't they have other interests in their lives other than Roy? What a pathetic list that must be! >On our list, people >feel the obligation to send their mental fluff at all times regardless >of pertinence, and it is immediately deleted by one and all. is it? I find it much more interesting that trying to find what shirt Robyn wore at he Tranmere Working Men's Club in April 1977 or whether he talked about prawns or zeppelins before introducing "I often dream of trains". This is the sort of detail which many would consider arrant weenieism, but it is interesting for some listmembers, so I'm not objecting to it. I think that the large number of people who contribute to the so-called 'mental fluff' threads are clear evidence that they are not deleted by 'one and all', or even by a majority! >DO YOU YAHOO!? no, and there are some messages I don't even 'Whee!" about. James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:54:33 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: c? Eb's posts sometimes make me annoyed, other times they get me thinking. It's rare they see me rolling around laughling. Thanks for making my day after fuming about the Rogerspew... >Clark: >>Getting back to Tori - I'd like to ask a question of those who consider >>themselves fans. From her bio, it looks like she grew up very talente,,d >>musically and as an actor. She bounced around from commercials to soaps >>to her 80's bighair band, and then fell into the c > >I'm just DYING to know how this sentence would've ended, had the message >not been unduly cut off.... > >crevice? >compacter? >crapper? >clutches of the Great Quail? James PS - a less annoyed Roger rejoinder: This is my favouriter mailing list. I've been on quite a number over the years, but this is the one I always look forward to, and the only one I read as soon as I get it rather than storing it up to read later. Quail, Eb, Sharkboy, the delightful Susan, dlang, the Rev "Mellotron" Marks, JAFA Danielle, Bayard, woj, Hal, lj, and all the rest of you wonderful people are like family. The Addams family, maybe, but family nonetheless. Thank you for making this list more than just a bunch of people discussing setlists and bootlegs. Thank you for making this screen sing! PPS - pass the hankies, please... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:32:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Stuart Shell Subject: eats schoolmarms for fucking breakfast and lunch and dinner and between birth control sessions and after any flatulation and before you try anything else,,, ever Aagh Rog, come back please. Speaking for the whole group, 'we are really gonna miss ya'. Love Bob and Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 23:51:58 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: This List Sucks! Welcome Roger! I bet you're having a field day reading the reactions to your posting! In your honour, I propose we title all postings "RE: This list sucks!" for the next couple of weeks, so that we know you'll give each and every sample of surrealistic insipidity your full attention. How about it, feggies? Let's show Roger just how much we care! Love, - -- Ross Overbury, student Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:57:10 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: This List Sucks! At 08:56 PM 10/19/1998 -0500, JH3 wrote: >Not THE Roger Jackson, surely? (Something tells me this was a prank, but >what the hell...) what's a Roger Jackson? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: This List Sucks! > At 08:56 PM 10/19/1998 -0500, JH3 wrote: > >Not THE Roger Jackson, surely? (Something tells me this was a prank, but > >what the hell...) > > > what's a Roger Jackson? It's a kind of small cylindrical wrench. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:42:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: The Firm: Were they really so bad? Ross: >I bet you're having a field day reading the reactions to your posting! >In your honour, I propose we title all postings "RE: This list sucks!" >for the next couple of weeks.... How about titling them "POLL: What's your favorite song on Physical Graffiti" instead? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Beware of Dodgeness (party review) Well, the people who were at the party haven't posted a review yet, so I will. (No, I'm not doing this randomly, I called twice and spent a fair amount of time on the phone with them.) Susan was there, as was her young man, and Natalie and...one or two other people whose names I didn't quite catch. Two of these people are vegetarians, if I recall, and John is all of their favourite Beatle (or John is the Beatle whom they all favour. I had guessed this [they may dispute this because they thought I said Paul, but I knew from the start that they all liked John more (no, not everyone does. I'm a George man, myself)]). Despite the fact that some of them liked the Velvet Underground, they turned out to be really nice and intelligent people. References were made to many old-time radio programs and understood on both sides. At least one of the people there liked Fred Allen (I'm more of a Jack Benny man, myself). They were all impressed by Eb beer and Rufus Wainwright (one of them expressed dismay that the Wainwright line might end with him. Personally, I think that "The day the music failed to breed" doesn't have the makings of a Don MacLean song.) It's nice being around folk who get most of my references, and these people know from Wodehouse, Piers Anthony, Terry Pratchett, Firesign Theatre, The Monkees, MST3K and...loads of other things. If I had the presence of mind, I would've brought up Charles DeGaulle, Kibo, Isao Tomita and Tippu Tip (they probably wouldn't have gotten this reference. He's a 19th-century slave raider who carved himself out a small empire in eastern Zanzibar. More importantly, his name sounds like a High Llamas song title.) And, of course, I brought up comic strips. After reading the New York Review of Books (or suchlike), I had gotten really bummed because you couldn't *give* most of those books to me, because I don't care. And this includes the good books. Naturally, I started worrying that people felt like this about comic strips. From the small samples I've seen, it seems like people would care if the comic strips were any good. (And there are a few good ones on the market today...Arlo & Janis, Rose is Rose, Jump Start, Liberty Meadows [and all those quasi-underground ones like Red Meat and This Modern World and so on that Eddie will mention if I don't]). SO I pointed them to Few and Far Between (www.fewandfarbetwee.com) because it's the closest thing to Krazy Kat that I've seen. [and I emailed Susan aabout Goats (www.goats.com), Freefall (www.purrsia.com/freefall), SLuggy Freelance (www.sluggy.com), and Ozy & Millie (www.coyotesdaughter.com/~rain/)] And as for that "adding new things to subjects", well, the two things I read most now are anime fanfiction and comic strips, the two most repetitive media I've seen. The "Ranma enters the Tendo dojo" and "Sailors Moon and Mars fight" scenes have been done hundreds of times, at least. There's always something new that can be added to them. I'm sure that everyone already knows this, but I'm saying it anyhow. I'd mention the comparison between C.S. Lewis' "The Great Divorce" and th e movie "What Dreams May COme" going on in alt.books.cs-lewis, but I may as well just summarize it as 'The movie is pretty lame compared to the book, but not as lame as we'd expected it to be'. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ps. And The Monkees were mentioned, but I wasn't the one who brought them up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:06:38 -0700 From: "Chris!" Subject: Re: The Firm: Were they really so bad? Re: The Firm... Now if yer talkin' power ballads, you might as well through in The Firm. Yes, they were that bad. Also, wasn't 57.8% of Bad Company's song writing consisting of power ballads in the love song mode? As for Power Ballads (TM), I nominate any 80s band from Sacramento, CA as innovators on the subject!! As for this list thing... We should hire someone to account for the times and frequency these things come up so we can sit back and say "Ah, yes! 1994 saw this with the growth of the list in the fall..." We could have a minutes to the debate to refresh ourselves. We could the same for Quail-spooge, Anti-Deadisms, Pro-Deadisms, and what-not. It would be a running chronology of our collective selves. I recently was privy to a short but interesting thread about the most significant music list serves. The debate, which never got off the ground, was that the lists were a significant, albeit tiny, forces in certain musical circles. With Fegmaniax this is not the case. But, with list putting out recordings of original material this is not that far off of an idea. Even Femaniax, under the worldly guise of Bayard and Mark, have done one and the next is in the works. However, I must say that by no means has, is, nor will the Led Zeppelin mailing list be a force to be reckoned with. Now the Ron Popeil list is a force that knows no bounds and is a secret society of the grandest order. You'll never hear dissent from this list about that. .chris (back to my whole) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:45:34 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Beware of Dodgeness (party review) >Well, the people who were at the party haven't posted a review yet, so I >will. (No, I'm not doing this randomly, I called twice and spent a fair >amount of time on the phone with them.) That he did. He was for all intents and purposes another guest, as was Randi Spiegel who also got the speakerphone treatment :). >Susan was there, as was her young man, Well, we live here :). >and Natalie and...one or two other people whose names I didn't quite catch. That would be Christy (Zloduska) and Ed Doxtator. Oh, and by the way, I got a call from Jay It's A Hedblade yesterday, who sent his regrets. He wanted me to make sure and tell everyone that he had in fact really wanted to come but was prevented by a crisis situation that night. >Two of these people are vegetarians, if I recall, and John is all of their >favourite >Beatle (or John is the Beatle whom they all favour. I had >guessed this [they may >dispute this because they thought I said Paul, but I knew from the start >that they all liked John more Well, actually, I realize the situation was chaotic what with 5 people on a speakerphone talking to you, but you're not quite on there. I went for Paul, which prompted jeers from the surrounding crowd. "THE MELODIES, THE HARMONIES, THE VOICINGS," I cried, but to no avail, the consensus was that he was too cute and John was their man. And yes, your George vote came in loud and clear :). >myself). They were all impressed by Eb beer It's a mighty nice Polish pilsener. I think it's only available on the South Side of Chicago and in Warsaw. My SO scanned the carton thingie and made a Windows screensaver, contact me if interested. I cannot describe the moment when I first spotted the EB beer display in the Polish market near me, about 2 months ago. I was near hysterical with laughter at spotting a large beer display that said "It's Time For EB". I guess you hadda be there. In any event no one around me got the joke :). >and Rufus Wainwright (one of them expressed dismay that the Wainwright >line might end >with him. Personally, I think that "The day the music >failed to breed" doesn't have >the makings of a Don MacLean song.) That was me, it was some mild dismay on account of the fact that there's so much talent collected in those genes. Well, that was where my dismay came from. I believe that others were heard to opine that he was "easy on the eyes", which may have meant baser motivations on their part :). >ps. And The Monkees were mentioned, but I wasn't the one who brought them >up. I'm not at all sure how that came up, but I think it had something to do with the Nesmith/Zappa episode of the show. And I'm also not sure, but I think we did reach consensus on the fact that Jackie Chan could kick Charles Bronson's ass, but that Chan and Bruce Lee might have had a less clear outcome. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:58:45 -0700 From: Marc Holden Subject: Heaven single search I've been searching for many years for a couple of things I keep seeing on Hitchcock/Soft Boys discographies: Heaven--12" Relativity promo Heaven--7" Slash promo Does anyone KNOW for sure that either of these exist? (Even J. Partridge does not seem to have these.) I have the Relativity 7" promo, the Midnight Music 7" 1-sided promo, and the the Midnight 12". I have also had it confirmed that the Spanish flexi definately exists. I know that I have already asked about these before, but never got anything more than speculation back. If you know what is going on, I'd love to hear from you. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:15:22 -0700 From: West Subject: Re: This List Sucks! roger jackson wrote: > I have lurked on this list, on and off, for several years and just > can't take it anymore. It took you YEARS to figure out that you didn't like it here? Remind me never to take a test drive with this guy. Sheesh! Somethingly, West. - -- *********************************************************************** West E-mail: ipalindromei@earthlink.net "...No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity." "But I know none, and therefore am no beast." --William Shakespeare, "Richard III". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:34:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: This List Sucks! On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > what's a Roger Jackson? > > It's a kind of small cylindrical wrench. I thought it was a revolutionary movement opposed to the expansionist imperial policies of Jacksonian America. - - Mike "R E S P E C T" Godwin PS to Danielle: I'll never refer to the Kiwi fegs as "James et al" again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:03:34 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: et al (0RH - don't bother, Roger!) On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Eb wrote: > I saw a recent PBS documentary on the Carpenters, which claimed that > *Richard Carpenter* invented the power ballad when he asked a session > guitarist to record a "heavy" solo for "Goodbye to Love." Huh. I guess that > I can't post any strong argument to dispute this.... Right - excellent song, sparkling solo by Teny Peluso. Was that the documentary which was implying that Karen was devoted to Richard over and above the call of musical duty? Very strange... > Eb: > Are you really going to claim that Quadrophenia doesn't contain any > "decent" songs? I admit that '5.15' works. What I don't like about 'Quadrophenia' (thanks - - I'd forgotten the title) is the obvious attempt to cash in on the quad sound "boom" and the ridiculous posed "mod" on the cover. Why didn't he just splash a Daily Mirror shot of mods and rockers fighting in Brighton across the front? As for the film: Sting was much too old; I've gone on before about the stupid double yellow lines everywhere, which didn't exist in the pre-parking meter 60s; the authentic early Royal Mail Morris van with the postmark on the side totally undercut by loads of modern mail vans with the yellow "Royal Mail" logo driving past in the background; the unpainted aluminium tube trains which didn't exist in the early 60s IIRC; the recently-issued Who LPs lying around at a supposed early-60s party - and even if the other mistakes were accidental, that was deliberate "marketing". There may be some other songs which would work out of context, but I thought the album as a whole was a crude, exploitative attempt to repeat the success of 'Tommy', which contained stacks of good riffs and fine songs. > (Hell, I thought Townshend wrote a few good songs as late as the Face Dances era....) 'Squeeze Box'? 'Join Together'? My feeling is that Townshend ran out of steam at about the time of the failure of the Lifehouse project. - - Mike G. PS I admit that I rushed out and bought 'The Seeker' when it came out, but I haven't been fooled again ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 03:16:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hoo Godwin: >I admit that '5.15' works. What I don't like about 'Quadrophenia' (thanks >- I'd forgotten the title) is the obvious attempt to cash in on the quad >sound "boom" and the ridiculous posed "mod" on the cover. Why didn't he >just splash a Daily Mirror shot of mods and rockers fighting in Brighton >across the front? Seems like kind of a petty complaint, given the quality of the songs. And I think the way each band member has a musical motif, and these motifs get interwoven throughout the album is just brilliant. Personally, I enjoy Quadrophenia more than Tommy, though I recognize that this probably isn't the conventional wisdom. And jeez, Mike, if you wanna start criticizing Quadrophenia's concept, how about *Tommy's*? I mean, Tommy is a damn wanky story, when you isolate it apart from the cool tunes.... >'Squeeze Box'? 'Join Together'? My feeling is that Townshend ran out of >steam at about the time of the failure of the Lifehouse project. I'm not fond of either of those. But you can find several excellent songs on Who Are You and Who By Numbers. And as I said, there are even a couple of good songs on Face Dances. Oh, incidentally, for those of you who saw Elliott Smith on Saturday Night Live: the keyboardist was (recent Rufus Wainwright/Robyn Hitchcock producer) Jon Brion. I figure that not many of you know what he looks like.... Eb, who *seemingly* just got System 7.5.3 software working, but is grumbling over losing all his Netscape bookmarks AND the fact that his VCR just ate his Ally McBeal tape before he could see all of it (and I'm gonna have to take the machine apart to get the tape out!) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #394 *******************************