From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #389 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 07 : Number 389 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The King is dead ... [amadain ] Re: The Hawks Live 1966 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: viva hitchcock [DElaineMcD@aol.com] Re: viva hitchcock [Gary Assassin ] Re: viva hitchcock [Bayard ] Re: viva hitchcock [Gary Assassin ] Re: viva hitchcock [pauly on the shore ] Me, of course. [Capuchin ] robyn on radio 4 [pauly on the shore ] Re: Me, of course. [Tom Clark ] Re: Me, of course. [lj lindhurst ] Re: Me, of course. [Capuchin ] Tell me about yore drugs [fred is ted ] Re: Me, of course. [amadain ] Re: Me, of course. [Capuchin ] Re: Imagination and substance (zed RH, mainly wank) [Danielle Subject: Re: The King is dead ... >No. The King is Dead, Polka's done... Don't wanna spend my life living in a Yankovic fantasy. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Shoot me now. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:20:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The Hawks Live 1966 On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Eb wrote: > Huh? "Like a Rolling Stone" follows the "infamous Judas episode," not > "Ballad of a Thin Man." You're right, my mistake - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:24:14 EDT From: DElaineMcD@aol.com Subject: Re: viva hitchcock >>>>>there's been no info on the website, i feel blind. whens the movie? what the dilly yo?<<<<<<<< i've been wondering what's going on also. been checking the website periodically, but it hasn't been updated since june. if information been posted on this list recently, please pardon the repetition. promos of *storefront hitchcock* are starting to surface, so i'm guessing that's the album that is to be released october 27th. what about *jewels for sophia*? i blew off the chance to see the movie in austin this past march because i guessed (wrongly) that it'd be making the rounds fairly soon. is there some kind of schedule for that yet?? tired of waiting, elaine np:dyan-time out of mind ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: viva hitchcock I'll have more info next week, but as of right now, me and Woj are the only two interested in the Opening night showing in NYC at 9pm, with a 2 hour party with Robyn and Jonathan Demme beforehand at SOB's on Houston Street. It's expensive; $100 per person, but that includes food and drinks, the party with Robyn, the movie and the CD. We rich people (me and Woj), are the only one's who I think are going. there are precious few tix available and I am not laying out money for anyone, except maybe lj ;) ;) There will be a larger trip planned, probably that Saturday for a group gathering with mucho beer consumption beforehand. ------------------------------------ If you have a condom and sunscreen SPF 15 or greater, than it's safe to look at http://www.panix.com/~gsa/index.html On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 DElaineMcD@aol.com wrote: > >>>>>there's been no info on the website, i feel blind. whens the movie? > what the dilly yo?<<<<<<<< > > > i've been wondering what's going on also. been checking the website > periodically, but it hasn't been updated since june. if information been > posted on this list recently, please pardon the repetition. > > promos of *storefront hitchcock* are starting to surface, so i'm guessing > that's the album that is to be released october 27th. what about *jewels for > sophia*? > > i blew off the chance to see the movie in austin this past march because i > guessed (wrongly) that it'd be making the rounds fairly soon. is there some > kind of schedule for that yet?? > > tired of waiting, > elaine > > np:dyan-time out of mind > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: viva hitchcock On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Gary Assassin wrote: > I'll have more info next week, but as of right now, me and Woj are the > only two interested in the Opening night showing in NYC at 9pm > > There will be a larger trip planned, probably that Saturday for a group > gathering with mucho beer consumption beforehand. Yes! I have conferred with LJ, and I plan to be in Brooklyn the weekend of november 21 and 22! For the fifth outdoor feg fest and pub crawl of 1998. I hope you Big Spenders will join us. Tell Robyn I will be sending the tapes I owe him soon. And woj, tell him you're not me. So remember NY area fegs, that's saturday the 21st, for drinking and storefront screening with the fegs. see you then. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: viva hitchcock Ah, I see lj still speaks to you ;) Maybe I should start capitalizing her name like you do. ------------------------------------ If you have a condom and sunscreen SPF 15 or greater, than it's safe to look at http://www.panix.com/~gsa/index.html On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Bayard wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Gary Assassin wrote: > > > I'll have more info next week, but as of right now, me and Woj are the > > only two interested in the Opening night showing in NYC at 9pm > > > > There will be a larger trip planned, probably that Saturday for a group > > gathering with mucho beer consumption beforehand. > > Yes! I have conferred with LJ, and I plan to be in Brooklyn the weekend > of november 21 and 22! For the fifth outdoor feg fest and pub crawl of > 1998. I hope you Big Spenders will join us. Tell Robyn I will be sending > the tapes I owe him soon. And woj, tell him you're not me. > > So remember NY area fegs, that's saturday the 21st, for drinking and > storefront screening with the fegs. see you then. > > =b > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:01 -0400 From: pauly on the shore Subject: Re: viva hitchcock also sprach DElaineMcD@aol.com: >i've been wondering what's going on also. been checking the website >periodically, but it hasn't been updated since june. au contraire! i (finally) updated the site this afternoon. (hey! wipe that look of disbelief off your face!) altogether everybody, *wheeee*! all the movie and album info that i could find (in my copious mailboxes) is summarized. if anyone looks and sees something i missed, please let me know. on a similar note, i've been extremely busy these past couple months and have not been reading fegmaniax (or any other mailing list) regularly (though i've been able to take care of listownering stuff). as a result, i would appreciate it *greatly* if people posting news and reviews would also cc their notes to fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org since nearly all the stuff that i send out to the newslist is drawn from here. since i expect that not everyone will remember to do this (and because i know i'm way too unreliable considering my track record), i'm wondering if someone who is reading the list regularly would like to volunteer to be fegnewsguru. the duties would be simple: read the list and forward newsworthy posts to fegmaniax-announce in the event that they are not already cross-posted. if you are interested, please drop me a line. >promos of *storefront hitchcock* are starting to surface, so i'm guessing >that's the album that is to be released october 27th. what about *jewels for >sophia*? no release date has been set for _jewels_ yet, but it will be sometime next year. woj n.p. massive attack -- mezzanine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Me, of course. I had a quail dream last night. It was weird. I only recall part of the dream (which, I believe, is the only part that actually involved the boy in the manhattan tower). I was in a movie theater in the early seventies. I was there with TGQ (perhaps the second luckiest man alive -- second, of course, to me), Liza Minelli, Lucille Ball, and a large, fat, bald man who apparently used to be a great star and comic genius. We were watching a movie entitled Amen (with sufficiently cheesy all lower-case type-setting that was very bubbly and early seventies... baby blue on black). The theme song to the movie was by Elton John. Quail claimed that he LOVED Elton John and wanted to be just like Bernie Taupin some day. He alluded to a plan we had secretly developed in the past (in the dreampast... the way dreams have their own history and memories) whence the two of us would write crappy am radio music under the name Henry Mann. We each gave our own version of the sinister laugh. I have no idea what this means. OK... so my birthday is Saturday, 17 October. I did some websearching and found the following information regarding things happening on my birthday and somewhat relating to fegdom. > 1917 - The Radio Corporation of America (RCA) was formed on this day. > The company became a giant in electronics, especially radios and TVs. It > would later own its own TV network (NBC) and other broadcast interests. I owned RCA appliances and even once watched NBC. I think that's an amazing coincidence. I even have a stereo to this day that requires RCA jacks to connect to other devices. > 1933 - Dr. Albert Einstein moved to Princeton, NJ on this day, after > arriving in the United States from his troubled homeland, Germany. When I was fifteen, I received a t-shirt for my birthday with a picture of Einstein on the front from a person I was dating, but we left that troubled relationship after about five years after going to different colleges and then reuniting at a different college. I understand there's a college in Princeton, NJ, which is also a very interesting coincidence. > 1940 - One year before recording that memorable song, "Fry Me, Cookie, > with a Can of Lard", Will Bradley's Orchestra recorded "Five O'Clock > Whistle", also on Columbia records. I have been given both cookies and a tin whistle for my birthday. I don't eat lard. > 1962 - Though the Fab Four would appear on both radio and television, on > what they would call "Auntie Beeb" (the BBC), The Beatles appeared first > -- this day -- on Great Britain's Grenada TV Network. I own an album by this very band, The Beatles! What are the odds?!? I mean this is way back in 1962 and how many people could have actually even heard of them, let alone own one of their albums. I must admit I don't listen to it much. > 1967 - "Gimme a head with hair. Long, beautiful hair..." The rock > musical, "Hair" opened to rave reviews at the Anspacher Theatre, in New > York City. The smash ran for 1,758 performances. I once had a head of long, beautiful hair. And yeah, it was my own. I cut it shortly after my 20th birthday and shortly before ending previously mentioned relationship. People thanked me. However, most people stopped calling me "miss". > 1989 - Millions were watching the third game of the World Series between I was watching, but I wasn't enjoying it. I don't watch sports as a rule. Blech. > the San Francisco Giants and the Oakland Athletics, when much to their > horror, the seats at Candlestick Park began to rock, light towers > swayed, and 58,000 fans became eerily quiet. From what I understand, fans of both teams have been eerily quiet ever since. Candlestick Park is now known as Big Rubber Park in honor of a certain 3com employee we all know well. > At the World Series game > (postponed because of earth shaking), the fans cheered when the tremor > stopped. They all felt really stupid for not cheering earlier and since that day, none of the fans have been able to sleep due to intense feelings of guilt for not cheering immediately after the first tremor. Several thousand have committed suicide. > They were the victors of nature's game. I guess nature's game ended in 1989. We're all playing my game now. > Birthday Board: October 17 > 1880 - Charles Kraft (cheese mogul w/brother James: Kraft Food Company) Somebody ring the cheese alarm. > 1900 - Jean Arthur (Gladys Greene) (actress: Shane, Mr. Smith Goes to > Washington, The Devil and Miss Jones, The Jean Arthur Show) Somebody should ask to see my impression of the little boy at the end of Shane sometime. It's high comedy. > 1902 - Irene Ryan (Noblette) (actress: The Beverly Hillbillies, Heading > for Heaven) I also do a mean Jethrene. > 1915 - Arthur Miller (Tony Award-winning playwright: Death of a Salesman > [1949]; Emmy Award-winning playwright: Playing for Time [1980-81], Death > of a Salesman [1966-67], It Takes a Thief, Rhinoceros, The Misfits) Marylin Monroe should have married Henry Miller. > 1918 - Rita Hayworth (Margarita Cansino) (actress: Miss Sadie Thompson, > Pal Joey, Separate Tables, They Came to Cordura, You'll Never Get Rich) So, in 1947, when Andy Dufresne asked if I could sneak Rita Hayworth in, I said it'd be no problem. > 1920 - Montgomery Clift (actor: From Here to Eternity, Suddenly Last > Summer, Judgment at Nuremberg, The Misfits, A Place in the Sun, Raintree > County) Arthur Miller wrote The Misfits. I wonder if they had a big birthday party on the set. I wasn't invited, anyway. The Misfits were a pretty cool band if you're into that sort of thing. > 1926 or 1930 - Beverly Garland (Fessenden) (actress: My Three Sons, > Scarecrow and Mrs. King, The Bing Crosby Show, DOA, The Desperate Hours) I'm not going to confess my secret enjoyment of Scarecrow and Mrs. King. And you'll never get that whole Remmington Steele confession out of me. > 1927 - Tom Poston (Emmy Award-winning comedian, actor: The Steve Allen > Show [1958-59]; On the Rocks, Bob, Mork & Mindy, Newhart; TV panelist: > To Tell the Truth, A Perfect Little Murder, Up the Academy) Tom POSTON! What can I say! George the Handyman... the upstairs neighbor guy from Mork & Mindy who wrote terrible greeting cards (what was his name?) Tom POSTON! I couldn't be more pleased if Anson Williams were born on October 17. > 1930 - Jimmy Breslin (newspaper columnist; author: Table Money) OK, this one creeps me out. Whenever I hear someone say "Jimmy Breslin" my head turns anyway. It's frightening enough that our names are eerily homonymic. It turns out he's quite a bit older than I am, however. > 1938 - Evel Knievel (Robert Craig) (motorcycle daredevil) Say no more. I'm buying a jumpsuit tomorrow. > 1940 - James Seals (singer, musician: guitar, saxophone, fiddle: group: > Seals and Crofts: Summer Breeze, Diamond Girl, Hummingbird, We May Never > Pass this Way Again, Get Closer, You're the Love, I'll Play for You) Tom Clark will be jealous to know that I've also never knowingly heard a Seals and Crofts song. > 1942 - Gary Puckett (singer: group: The Union Gap: Young Girl, Woman, > Woman, This Girl is a Woman Now, Over You, Lady Willpower) This is Susan's favorite artist, right? > 1947 - Michael McKean (actor: LaVerne & Shirley, Grand, The Brady Bunch > Movie, Radioland Murders, Planes, Trains & Automobiles, This is Spinal > Tap, Coneheads, The Big Picture, Used Cars) Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: Lenny! His brief stint on SNL was highlighted, in my book, by the song they did wherein each cast member played their most memorable, catch-phrasey character. He was just himself and his only line was "I don't have a character yet, but I was on Laverne & Shirley!" That kicked my ass. And if LJ is Shirley Feenie, I am a reluctant Squiggy. > 1948 - Margot Kidder (actress: Superman series, The Amityville Horror, > Vanishing Act, Nichols) Lois Lane. Beat that. > 1948 - George Wendt (actor: Cheers, Man of the House, Never Say Die, > Fletch, No Small Affair) Norm! And his appearance with William Katt in the original classic House is one of my all time favorites (and John Katzenberg's appearance in House II: The Second Story is a real hoot!). > 1949 - Bill Hudson (comedian, singer: group: The Hudson Brothers: So You > are a Star, Rendevous; TV: The Hudson Brothers Razzle Dazzle Comedy > Show; was married to actress Goldie Hawn) These guys were the talk of the Penn & Teller newsgroup last week. I'd never heard of them before. Apparently they had a long stint on Hollywood Squares. Circle gets a square! > 1957 - Vincent Van Patten (tennis player, actor: The Break, The Dirty > Dozen: The Deadly Mission, Payback, Charley and the Angel, Apple's Way; > son of actor, Dick Van Patten) Any son of Dick Van Patten is a friend of mine. > 1958 - Alan Jackson (singer: Chattahoochie, Don't Rock the Jukebox) No comment. > Chart Toppers: October 17 > 1958 > Rock-in Robin - Bobby Day Not Rockin' Robyn, much to my dismay. > Bird Dog - The Everly Brothers Does this song not mention a quail? How insidious. > 1966 > Psychotic Reaction - Count Five This one doesn't surprise me one bit. > 1974 > I Honestly Love You - Olivia Newton-John > Another Saturday Night - Cat Stevens > The Bitch is Back - Elton John > Please Don't Stop Loving Me - Porter Wagoner and Dolly Parton So it's entirely possible that one of these songs is the first I ever heard. I suddenly have an understanding and depth of clarity heretofore unparalleled in my remembered lifetime. > 1982 > Jack & Diane - John Cougar > Who Can It be Now? - Men at Work > I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near) - Michael McDonald > I Will Always Love You - Dolly Parton I can honestly, as an eight year old not buying records with its own money for at least a year and a half, say that I am not at all responsible for the popularity of any of these songs. Thank you. OH! If anyone's read this far that happens to live in the NYC area, talk to me. I'm REALLY considering that transcontinental thing at the end of November, but it'd be a personal trip, so the SoHo Grand is out. And where the hell is White Plains airport and why is it so much cheaper to fly in there? Bye bye. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:38 -0400 From: pauly on the shore Subject: robyn on radio 4 fegs, rumor has it that robyn will be appearing on the "loose ends" on bbc radio 4 on november 7th. since the bbc website only has schedule details for the coming week, i haven't been able to confirm this yet. the program airs at 10am and is hosted by ned sherrin. +w p.s. thanks to you-know-who for the head's up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:19:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Me, of course. On 10/16/98 11:49 AM, Capuchin wrote: >OK... so my birthday is Saturday, 17 October. I did some websearching and >found the following information regarding things happening on my birthday >and somewhat relating to fegdom. > > >> 1967 - "Gimme a head with hair. Long, beautiful hair..." The rock >> musical, "Hair" opened to rave reviews at the Anspacher Theatre, in New >> York City. The smash ran for 1,758 performances. > >I once had a head of long, beautiful hair. And yeah, it was my own. I >cut it shortly after my 20th birthday and shortly before ending previously >mentioned relationship. People thanked me. However, most people stopped >calling me "miss". > "Hair" was also very controversial for the scene[s] where the entire cast is completely nude. I, for one, am grateful Jeme hasn't emulated them during the three times I've seen him. > > >> 1915 - Arthur Miller (Tony Award-winning playwright: Death of a Salesman >> [1949]; Emmy Award-winning playwright: Playing for Time [1980-81], Death >> of a Salesman [1966-67], It Takes a Thief, Rhinoceros, The Misfits) > >Marylin Monroe should have married Henry Miller. > Oh man - Henry & June and Anais & Marylin.... > >> 1926 or 1930 - Beverly Garland (Fessenden) (actress: My Three Sons, >> Scarecrow and Mrs. King, The Bing Crosby Show, DOA, The Desperate Hours) > >I'm not going to confess my secret enjoyment of Scarecrow and Mrs. King. >And you'll never get that whole Remmington Steele confession out of me. > Beverly Garland gets better looking every year. No shit. I used to have a big Remington Steele fetish. I still don't know if it was because of Stephanie Zimblist, Jr. or Pierce Brosnan... >> 1940 - James Seals (singer, musician: guitar, saxophone, fiddle: group: >> Seals and Crofts: Summer Breeze, Diamond Girl, Hummingbird, We May Never >> Pass this Way Again, Get Closer, You're the Love, I'll Play for You) > >Tom Clark will be jealous to know that I've also never knowingly heard a >Seals and Crofts song. > Very Jealous. How about Englan Dan & John Ford Coley? >> 1948 - Margot Kidder (actress: Superman series, The Amityville Horror, >> Vanishing Act, Nichols) > >Lois Lane. Beat that. > She's also a Certified F*cking Psycho. I'm seeing a pattern here... >OH! If anyone's read this far that happens to live in the NYC area, talk >to me. I'm REALLY considering that transcontinental thing at the end of >November, but it'd be a personal trip, so the SoHo Grand is out. > >And where the hell is White Plains airport and why is it so much cheaper >to fly in there? > Do you mean Newburgh? It's about an hour north of The City. They've been rebuilding that airport since 1988 and it still looks like London after the Blitz. It's probably cheaper because they have no jetways and you have to load your own luggage onto the plane. - -tc "Feeling much better thank you" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:55:01 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Me, of course. Dude, are you on acid or something? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Me, of course. On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, lj lindhurst wrote: > Dude, are you on acid or something? I like to think of myself as a combination of Jackie Mason on crack, RuPaul on steriods, and Penelope Ann Miller on acid. Yours, Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: fred is ted Subject: Tell me about yore drugs The recent discussion of the alleged ability of drugs to spur artistic creativity reminds me of a story involving Oliver Wendell Holmes. First, let me say I'm sure I've got the details wrong here (as usual!), but I hope the gist is correct. Being an artist and physician among his other pursuits, Holmes dabbled with the then exotic ether in an effort to conjure up artistic visions. Upon receiving an inspirational dosage, he feverishly wrote down what he was convinced was an insight of devastating profundity. His epiphany? "The smell of ether pervades" (IIRC). Sums up the whole art and drugs thing for me. Drugs can lower inhibitions, at the price of disabling the ol' b.s. detector. Recent faves on M2: Komeda, "Cul-de-sac," Liz Phair, "Polyester Bride" (damn, I love that song). Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:36:41 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Me, of course. >"Hair" was also very controversial for the scene[s] where the entire cast >is completely nude. >I, for one, am grateful Jeme hasn't emulated them during the three times >I've seen him. It also is secondarily famous for launching the career of Meatloaf. I'm also glad that Jeme has not indulged in any singing of amazingly crass power ballads during the times that I met him. However, this does conjure up one scary thought for the ages. Imagine. Meatloaf nude. I hope nobody was eating just now. >>Tom Clark will be jealous to know that I've also never knowingly heard a >>Seals and Crofts song. Capuchin, you are LYING. Either that or you have never been in a dentist's office, grocery store, or elevator. That has to be the only way you could have avoided hearing "Summer Breeze". The rest of them are easy enough to avoid I suppose, I certainly couldn't recall them off the top of my head. But "Summer Breeze", I just can't see how you could have managed it, it's such the easy listening staple. Lite FM stations play it like every hour, they are required to by law. Next thing you're going to tell me you've never heard "Pina Coladas". >Very Jealous. How about Englan Dan & John Ford Coley? Now, this one is a little easier to have gotten around. I unfortunately did not manage it, and I can still hear some smarmy would-be-sensitive dude crooning "I'd really love to see you tonight" (and your underwear on my orange shag carpet too, my little pretty!). One I have so far managed to avoid except for a snippet in one of those "easy love listening" ads on TV is a song by some other 70s one hit wonder, "Chevy Van"- it SOUNDS as if it might be smarmier and even more yucky than the preceding (on account of shag carpet in a van is worse than shag carpet in an apartment), but I have only heard the snippet in the ad. Love on ya, Susan yeah ok alright, I'm going back to housecleaning momentarily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Me, of course. On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, amadain wrote: > It also is secondarily famous for launching the career of Meatloaf. I'm > also glad that Jeme has not indulged in any singing of amazingly crass > power ballads during the times that I met him. I don't do power ballads. I don't even particularly like love songs. So can anyone think of a power ballad that isn't a love song? > However, this does conjure up one scary thought for the ages. Imagine. > Meatloaf nude. I hope nobody was eating just now. I was eating just now. Don't worry, I picked the ramen off my Xterm. > >>Tom Clark will be jealous to know that I've also never knowingly heard a > >>Seals and Crofts song. > Capuchin, you are LYING. Either that or you have never been in a dentist's > office, grocery store, or elevator. That has to be the only way you could > have avoided hearing "Summer Breeze". Oh dear lord. That's a truly awful song. I've heard that one. Blech. I hadn't ever KNOWINGLY heard one of their songs and I must have glanced over that one in the list. Man, wait until you read about my trip to Santa Cruz last month. > Next thing you're going to tell me you've never heard "Pina Coladas". This one, however, doesn't ring a single bell. > >Very Jealous. How about Englan Dan & John Ford Coley? > Now, this one is a little easier to have gotten around. I unfortunately did > not manage it, and I can still hear some smarmy would-be-sensitive dude > crooning "I'd really love to see you tonight" (and your underwear on my > orange shag carpet too, my little pretty!). Wait wait... I think Samuel L. Jackson sang part of this in The Long Kiss Goodnight, right? While he's driving? I recall that. Or is that a different song? > One I have so far managed to avoid except for a snippet in one of those > "easy love listening" ads on TV is a song by some other 70s one hit wonder, > "Chevy Van"- it SOUNDS as if it might be smarmier and even more yucky than > the preceding (on account of shag carpet in a van is worse than shag carpet > in an apartment), but I have only heard the snippet in the ad. Blech. At first I started to write "I don't think men should be allowed to write songs" then I appended "about sex" and then I had to backspace over all of that. I can't put my finger on it. What is it that makes everything by Meatloaf and all those crappy songs mentioned above so horrible? What is it that offends my every sensibility? Someone help me pin this down. Miss me. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: Imagination and substance (zed RH, mainly wank) Susan said yesterday in reply to Ross: > >It's not necessarily true, but it's completely understandable if you > >have a look at the development of pop in the '60s. > > I know you mean well Ross, but with statements like the above you > unintentionally indulge the Boomers in their delusion that they invented > everything. I regret to be the one to have to tell them that actually there > was a long tradition of artists, both "highbrow" AND "popular", who > believed they wrote/painted/acted/played better and more visionarily due to > substance use (I know, it's an awkward word, but you know what I mean) WAY > before 19 hundred and sixty five. I find this whole 'we did everything first *and* better *and* had more fun *and* it was more significant' Boomer tendency similarly irritating, and yes, attributing imagination/creativity to chemicals is also damn stupid. *However*, I think probably the most significant thing about the mid-sixties wasn't the creative exploration coincident with substance use, but the *widespread* acceptance of the doctrine of moral relativism, which had ('popular' artists notwithstanding) previously been the intellectual property of the intelligentsia. That development gave drug use (and sexual experimentation) a hitherto unknown acceptability - and even *credibility*. Combine that with the touching faith in cumulative progress/modern medicine which was characteristic of the era (as well as an almost contradictory counter-cultural anxiety about modernity), and you end up with people who attribute all creativity to acid in the 60s or whatever, though the reasons behind and effects of substance use were a lot more complex than that. Oh my *god*, I am a pretentious tosser. Theories about the mid-sixties? Like Eb's band links, I got a million of 'em... Danielle, currently playing The Replacements, but who would be playing that damn Dylan thang right now if she could afford it, and who was knocked for six by the climactic 'BoaTM/LaRS' finale PS James, you get zero points for making me think about the stupidest woman on earth, Jan Hellriegel. ;) No, I'm not a Westie girl, though I did unfortunately grow up on the Shore, which is like a little colony of West Auckland in certain areas... PPS I vote yes on 'Summer Breeze', despite my better judgement, and it's 'The Pina Colada Song' which Susan means, I think. You must have heard it, Jeme. Rupert Holmes? 1979? 'If you like pina coladas/Getting caught in the rain...' Yet another song I find appealing, god knows why. Yes, I know all the words to 'Copacabana', too, which probably invalidates the pitiful amount of intellectual credibility this post originally had... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #389 *******************************