From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #383 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 07 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Glass Hotel Tab redux [Bayard ] none [Natalie Jacobs ] UK Fegs? [Russ Reynolds ] Re: just what is a(n) Westie [amadain ] Re: Doug [amadain ] Re: just what is a(n) Westie [Tom Clark ] Re: just what is a(n) Westie [tanter ] Re: GQ article [Insomnboy@aol.com] feghoots and Westies [james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] [none] [woj sven-woj ] Re: Scotties and death (and Westies too) [dlang ] Re: UK Fegs? [Briannupp@aol.com] Re: UK Fegs? [pauly on the shore ] Re: RH: Storefront in NYC [tanter ] Re: Yip [Eb ] re:yip [tanter ] I'M ON THE WRONG F*CKING COAST! [Eb ] Missing the Quail [dlang ] Re: Yikes! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: UK Fegs? [Michael R Godwin ] Whaa?? (0% Robyn, 100% Flann O'Brien) [Natalie Jacobs ] cambridge and albert hall [Russ Reynolds ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22In_Schwimmen-zwei-V=F6gel=22_=280%_Robyn=2C_100?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?%_Flann_O'Brien=29?= [Mich] Re: cambridge [Ben ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Glass Hotel Tab redux Thought this might be of interest. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:23:57 +0930 From: David Williams To: Bayard Subject: Re: Glass Hotel Tab please !! Dear Bayard Had a rummage through the depths of my sheet music collection, and came up with my chord voicings for Glass Hotel, which I transcribed last year. You may like to try them; to my ear they're a bit closer than the other transcription from the fegmaniax website. I'm too busy at present to do a complete transcription, but this should be a good starting point. I've outlined which chords are used in which part of the song; as to the R.H. plucking pattern and timing of chord changes, I'll leave that to your own impeccable good taste ! Best wishes Dave :-) Glass Hotel :Chord Voicings Dave Williams 1997 Voicings are written as EADGBE Low - High, followed by chord name. x means muted string; ( ) means resonates but not strummed / plucked Intro: xx9807 ?name xx9907 ?name Verse: 799800 Badd11 (0)07800 B7/11 Chorus: x79900 E5 x46600 Dbm7 x02200 Esus4 079900 E5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:03:30 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: none >Former Throwing Muses leader Kristin Hersh will release a World Wide >Web-only album of Appalachian folk songs, entitled Murder Misery, on Oct. >27. Whoo-hoo!! n., who hates little yappy dogs of all varieties ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 98 13:20:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: UK Fegs? The Cambridge Music Festival CD was supposed to have been released three days ago in the UK. Have any of you checked your local record shops for this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:22:31 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: just what is a(n) Westie >>amadain wrote: >> >>> This is one thing they share with Westies, anyway. >> >>Westies are a type of dog? > >I thought it was another name for a VW bus camper.............. Also an Irish gang (no longer extant AFAIK). This looks like a very interesting cult you have here West: Irish gangsters, small, appealing-looking dogs, and VW bus campers. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:39:59 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Doug >Yesterday while passing a store, I heard a folksie-country song that had >this lyric: "Hey bird-dog, keep away from my quail." I have never heard >this before, and my surprise was such that I was almost hit by a car. >(Elvis Costello was not, however, behind the wheel.) Wow! Hearing the Everly Brothers on the radio shocks you? I mean, it's a clever tune but hardly frightening :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:47:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: just what is a(n) Westie On 10/8/98 3:22 PM, amadain wrote: >>>Westies are a type of dog? >> >>I thought it was another name for a VW bus camper.............. > >Also an Irish gang (no longer extant AFAIK). > >This looks like a very interesting cult you have here West: Irish >gangsters, small, appealing-looking dogs, and VW bus campers. Don't forget it's a type of Rock (see: Elton John). - -tc Very excited that they had veggie dogs at the cafeteria today... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:56:11 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: just what is a(n) Westie A very cute, all white terrier that doesn't yap and is great with kids. We got one last week--he's 7 wks old and we named him Snowy--the only snow we're likely to get in Texas!! Marcy :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:22:58 EDT From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: GQ article In a message dated 10/8/98 6:48:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gnat@umich.edu writes: > Due to popular demand, I will be putting the GQ article up on my website as > soon as I can. I already have my team of 100 monkeys hard at work typing > it up. > Thank you Nat!!! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:18:20 +1300 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: feghoots and Westies >feghoot > >what a marvellous word > >feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot feghoot this is a word well known in science fictional groups, having originated with a characyter of that name in a series of one-page short stories called "Through time and space with Ferdinand Feghoot", written by author Reginald Bretnor, using the anagrammatical alias Grendel Briarton. The most famous feghoot in science fiction is probably the short story by (I think) Arthur C Clarke, where the only piece of debris left from the pride of the US space fleet after a particularly nasty incident is a star mangled spanner... Isaac Asimov was also famous for his horrible shaggy dog feghoots. The ancient British radio show "My Word" featured Denis Nordern and Frank Muir coming up with a feghoot (although they weren' called that in the show) each during the course of the show based, usually, on song titles. I particularly remember "They tried to tell us we're too young" becoming "They tried to sell us Egg Foo Yung", and a certain song from Mary Poppins becoming "Soup, a cauli, fridge, elastic, eggs, peas, halitosis". Hmmm. I managed to mention both Reg and Denis in this post without mentioning Robyn! Oops. James PS - as for westies (the dog breed, that is) I always end up thinking of "Wee Jock" on "Hamish Macbeth". PPS - as Danielle will no doubt be able to tell you, Auckland has another form of "Westy" - are you a Westy girl, Danielle? PPPS - another one for the misheard lyrics file: my discovery that the Beat's song "Anzac cheese mine" is actually called "Hands off, she's mine". Suddenly it makes a bit more sense... James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:06:48 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: [none] >From owner-fegmaniax Thu Oct 8 09:45:05 1998 Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id JAA13364 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nexus.edu.au ([203.1.252.141]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24354; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:16:41 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <361CC2ED.F2A76E52@nexus.edu.au> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:19:39 +0930 From: dlang Reply-To: dlang@nexus.edu.au Organization: sharktrades X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Yip References: - -- Hey Fegs, I know I'm a bit late too chime in on this a one , but bugger it, at least I'm not issuing dire warnings of the Fegalypse to come. Eb stated >I think all of you preaching this haughty "Hmpf, DIRECTNESS in lyrics? *I* >don't need my hand held!" line oughta listen to the new Lyle Lovett album, >and rediscover evocative song writing based in simplicity, lack of >detachment and straightforward communication. Well yes , that approach is perfectly ok and suits Lyle Lovett and many other songwriters. Theres a place for writing songs in that way , but there's also a place for the obscure, detached and ambiguous writer as well. I can listen to both sorts of writing and appreciate them equally well and for different reasons. However, I think that being dissatisfied with the Yip song because it is not immediately obvious in its meaning is like criticising the Spice Girls for their failure to produce a song like 'Desolation Row'. Its simply not their style ( and in their case , their capability). I'm sure Robyn could produce songs which are easy to interpret if he wished, but he obviously chooses not to do so and more power to him .. I would have thought that one would tend to expect a lack of straightforward communication in the vast majority of Robyn's songs. I know that's precisely why I like his lyrics, they are not straightforward, I can contemplate what the song means over a period of time, muse over meanings and above all get the old brain to think for a change. . I imagine that most of my fave lyricists fall into this category, Hitchcock, Hunter, Byrne, Lennon, Eno, Bowie, Martyn, Thompson and above all Dylan have all produced songs that can be interpreted on many levels and which are not easily understood on first listening . I also like the crabwise approach Robyn takes, his songs gradually become clear after repeated listenings and that's one reason why I can listen to them repeatedly ,whereas a more clearly understandable song might lose its appeal more quickly unless its very well crafted. . I didn't get all of the implications of the Yip song straightaway, but that did not stop me liking it greatly or understanding its general meaning. I love the fact that it at first seems like a harmless little sing along ditty, but actually is about a really black subject. Its a keeper as far as I'm concerned, worming its way into my subconcious. However,I did not twig it was specifically about a cancer patient until I heard a tape with Robyn introducing it as such. Since my dad died of lung cancer it definitely made the song more poignant and relevant for me and knowing its about Robyn's dad certainly makes me appreciate Robyn's feelings when he performs it. Anyway, I think we should congratulate Robyn for tackling this subject, even if its only in an ambiguous way , not too many artists write songs about cancer , yet its a fact of life that affects us all in one way or another. Anyone out there ready to come up with a list of terminal illness songs? dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:11:57 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Re: Scotties and death (and Westies too) >Westies are a type of dog? Drat! Now I'll have to come up with a new name for >my cult members. >Somethingly, >West. Don't wory , I'm not going to say anything at all about this , well. apart from what I've already said of course ,as well as this explanation. So thats about it really. You can all go and read something else. Oh,I also am not going to make any comment about Quails being mentioned six times in the Warren report. So there. I can tame my monomania when I feel like it. dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:19:42 EDT From: Briannupp@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Fegs? Russ- I` was checkin out the most recent Goldmine, and "music machine" was taking pre-orders for the cambridge folk fest. Call them up; 410-356-4567 Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:41:13 -0400 From: pauly on the shore Subject: Re: UK Fegs? also sprach Russ Reynolds: >The Cambridge Music Festival CD was supposed to have been released three >days ago in the UK. Have any of you checked your local record shops for >this? i received a note from someone about this: >Did you know there is a new live Robyn & The Egyptians CD out? It's >called Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival. It's a gig from '92 and the >track listing is: > >1. So you think you're in love >2. Driving Aloud >3. Uncorrected Personality Traits >4. Satellite >5. Birds In Perspex >6. Railway Shoes >7. The Yip! Song >8. Egyptian Cream >9. Globe of Frogs >10. Oceanside woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:45:41 -0400 From: tanter Subject: Re: RH: Storefront in NYC At 09:49 AM 10/6/1998 -0400, Scott (Ferris) Thomas wrote: >Hey again... > >Just a quick one. > >I see that Storefront Hitchcock hits NYC on the 18th of November. It could >make for a nice organized night out, no? I'm doubtful that the film will >migrate to my little corner of Connecticut. Does it strike anyone else or just me, but shouldn't it have debuted in NYC? (well, I suppose if it had been filmed there...smirk, smirk) Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:49:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Yip DLang, or was it Woj?: >I would have thought that one would tend to expect a lack of >straightforward communication in the vast majority of Robyn's songs. I >know that's precisely why I like his lyrics, they are not straightforward, >I can contemplate what the song means over a period of time, muse over >meanings and above all get the old brain to think for a change. Well, personally, I'd rather a song about a father's death engage my HEART over my brain. But engaging the heart has never been one of Robyn's chief selling points ("She Doesn't Exist" notwithstanding). A song like "The Yip Song" underscores this shortcoming. Look at how cold and analytical your above language is. There, that's the response which Robyn elicited. With a song about one of the saddest experiences of any person's life. Instead of making you sad and teary, he made you stroke your chin and deliberate. Hrrm. If that makes it a successful song for you, so be it. Eb np: Frank Black & the Catholics (14/20) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:23:12 -0400 From: tanter Subject: re:yip This discussion is interesting. There's no one right response to death, just as there's no one response to music. In thinking of Robyn's whole oeuvre, I think the Yip song fits, personality wise. He's being very British about the whole thing--being sorry that the old man died but not sad, not crying, keeping the stiff upper lip and perhaps that's why he refers to Vera Lynn, who told the boys to keep their lips stiff during the war. He can't be sentimental and soft because that's not what British men do. (when my grandfather-in-law died, the women were all teary and the men held them up. yes, the men were sad and his sons were a bit red-eyed, but they didn't express their emotions the way the women did.) He's very much the product of the British system--a good public school boy. I wonder if "yip" isn't meant to somehow to represent the "hip hip hooray" that is often given in honor of someone. "Raymond Hitchcock has gone from us and now we celebrate his life. Three cheers: hip hip hooray...." I don't mean that in a disrespectful sense, I mean that one can't really _say_ that when one's father dies, so one says "yip yip yip yip yip yip" etc. Yips can also be the hiccups from intense sobbing...?? So anyway, just a few thoughts..... Marcy ps--saw a great film about a British boys' boarding school called "Midnight Feast". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:23:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: I'M ON THE WRONG F*CKING COAST! Come on, one of you New Yorkers should go, just to make me jealous! Eb PS Thank god they dumped Chris Douridas as the show's host. JEEEEEEEZ, what a pretentious bore. > From: cintikid@aol.com (CintiKid) > Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative > Subject: FREE TIX TO NYC TV SHOW w/ RUFUS WAINWRIGHT > Date: 8 Oct 1998 21:27:44 GMT > > Are you interested in catching a FREE SHOW?? Could we persuade you to >attend a > rare TV taping, hosted by David Byrne and featuring new singing/songwriting > sensation RUFUS WAINWRIGHT??? > > A new star on the singer/songwriter horizon and yes, the son of >well-known folk > musicians Loudon Wainwright III and Kate McArrigle, RUFUS WAINWRIGHT's tunes > conjure a full range of American songcraft, from Stephen Foster to Brian > Wilson. > > If you’re in the NY area and have answered yes to any of the above, please > consider joining us as a member of the "Sessions at West 54th Street" >audience > on Friday, October 23 at 2:45pm. "Sessions…" is the weekly music series > broadcast nationally on PBS. Here’s what you do if you want to join us: > > Send an email to: rufus_wainwright_tix@freetix.com > > and then in the subject field, put your name – last name first, first name > last. Don’t worry about the body of the letter since it probably won’t be >read, > but place some text in there anyway so it’ll go through. > > Please be sure of 2 things: > > 1) You can attend for the entire time of the taping; > 2) Wear dark clothing (light-colored clothing reflects the TV lights!) > > If space allows – we’ll be in touch and tell you where to go (it’s centrally > located in Manhattan, don’t worry!) In the meantime, if you want further info > on our schedule and/or want to be part of our database, email us your name, > address, phone, fax and email address to new@freetix.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:37:30 +0930 From: dlang Subject: Missing the Quail - -- The sharkboy werdled >I can tell you are all desperately missing The Great Quail, >as he is a man of relatively few words compared to his >oceanic frankenstein. Sorry oh Rubber one, but if you check the archives the Quail's posting far outweigh almost anyone's in total verbiage , although you are getting close recently. Read the diaries of debbie, doom hits the feglist or the Fane warnings , they are far longer than anything anyone has produced ( apart from capuchin's travelogues of course) However, I admit it. I for one desperately miss the Quail *and *Jon Fetter's surreal spew, and my recent boring outpourings have simply been an attempt to get them to create some more inventive fantasy threads to balance up the rather ordinary content on the list recently. Obviously they have not felt inspired despite my feeble efforts at trying to goad them .No one has even replied to Mike Runion's great 'Cope post 'response, so obviously the time is not right for surreal offerings at the moment . The Quail was heavily criticized when he first began to create really long fantasy posts , but fortunately enough people encouraged him to go ahead and he kept at it . It would be a shame to see this tradition go down the tube as its these sort of posts that make this list different from all the others I have experienced and we must not let it die out completely, even if some of our efforts annoy , or like mine, are pretty pathetic. Perhaps we need another flame war to liven things up. Just a minor one. I'm sure someone can oblige. Does anyone know a newbie who will volunteer to transgress the unwritten law of the list , commit countless faux pas and be torn to pieces verbally by the more aggressive list members. ? Perhaps the Quail needs to invent one for our amusement. C'mon Quail; invent something ! PLEASSSEEEE dave Visit my Robyn Hitchcock, Australian Deadhead, Beefheart, Richard Thompson & Womadelaide webpage for contacts, links ,photos , setlists and reviews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:32:29 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Yikes! On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, The Great Quail wrote: > Yikes!!!!! [some feghoot stuff here] > the incomparable flann o'brien composed enough for a whole book: the many > lives of keats and chapman Whilst walking in the fields, Keats and Chapman were arguing about "The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Chapman pointed out some young horses with their mothers - "See, those horses just prance around without a care, they have no time for politics", he said. "Foals rush in where Engels feared to tread" replied the poet. - - Mike G. PS Definitely "pardon me, boy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:40:01 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: UK Fegs? On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Russ Reynolds wrote: > The Cambridge Music Festival CD was supposed to have been released three > days ago in the UK. Have any of you checked your local record shops for > this? No, but I went in looking for the Bob Dylan at the Albert Hall '66 CD and the UK release had been put back _again_ to Oct 14. I wouldn't put it past RZ to pull it at the last minute. - - Mike G. PS I know Ch. Ch. Ch. by the Glenn Miller Orchestra, not Tex Beneke. Probably there's a thousand versions... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:06:09 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Whaa?? (0% Robyn, 100% Flann O'Brien) A friend claims: >> This *isn't* a joke: some Germans went and made a movie out of *At >> Swim-Two-Birds*. Does anyone else know about this? Mr. Godwin, perchance? n. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 10:05:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: cambridge and albert hall Woj forwards: >Did you know there is a new live Robyn & The Egyptians CD out? It's >called Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival. It's a gig from '92 and the >track listing is: > >1. So you think you're in love >2. Driving Aloud >3. Uncorrected Personality Traits >4. Satellite >5. Birds In Perspex >6. Railway Shoes >7. The Yip! Song >8. Egyptian Cream >9. Globe of Frogs >10. Oceanside thanks! Looks like an enjoyable set list. Hope there's some good between-songs banter too. Michael G: >No, but I went in looking for the Bob Dylan at the Albert Hall '66 CD and >the UK release had been put back _again_ to Oct 14. I wouldn't put it past >RZ to pull it at the last minute. I just got this yesterday and I like it a lot. Funny hearing for the first time some of the original lines Robyn mimicked between songs during his "tribute" I don't remember Tambourine Man being in the Hitchcock set, though. - -rUss Respect is due to John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:17:16 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22In_Schwimmen-zwei-V=F6gel=22_=280%_Robyn=2C_100?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?%_Flann_O'Brien=29?= On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Natalie Jacobs wrote: > A friend claims: > >> This *isn't* a joke: some Germans went and made a movie out of *At > >> Swim-Two-Birds*. > Does anyone else know about this? Mr. Godwin, perchance? No, I've never heard of it and I think it would be more or less impossible - - casting the Pooka, the Good Fairy, King Sweeney and Jem Casey would be pretty difficult to start with. And the watercress budget would be huge. Aha! A net search reveals the following article: http://members.telecom.at/~hersch/palm.htm "Whisky, Guinness, Irish-Stew: Kurt Palm hat seinen ersten Film "In Schwimmen-zwei-Vögel" zu Ende gebracht" Von Bruno Jaschke It's in German, so himmel knows what else it says. Actually, I have seen a theatre group that attempted some Flann O'Brien. Can't remember what they were called, but they concentrated on the ranting bits. - - Mike (40 per cent bicycle) Godwin PS All I know about Germany is that they have discovered that Hitler was _not_ a vegetarian. PPS I have no further territorial demands in Europe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:20:32 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: cambridge > >Did you know there is a new live Robyn & The Egyptians CD out? It's > >called Live at the Cambridge Folk Festival. It's a gig from '92 and the > >track listing is: > > > >1. So you think you're in love > >2. Driving Aloud > >3. Uncorrected Personality Traits > >4. Satellite > >5. Birds In Perspex > >6. Railway Shoes > >7. The Yip! Song > >8. Egyptian Cream > >9. Globe of Frogs > >10. Oceanside Oh no! Another live "Yip Song"!!!! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #383 *******************************