From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #380 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 6 1998 Volume 07 : Number 380 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Yip [Capuchin ] Re: Storefront Hitchcock [Briannupp@aol.com] Re: Yip [Eb ] Re: Yip [M R Godwin ] SH [tanter ] Psychological Insights and good luck. ["Scott (Ferris) Thomas" ] Re: Octaves [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: RH: Storefront in NYC [Gary Assassin ] "Yip," said the one-handed man [The Great Quail ] That Caimbridge CD [Russ Reynolds ] At the corner of time and motion. [Patrick Welker ] Opening night of SH - 11/18/1998 (Wednesday) [Gary Assassin ] Re: Yip [Eb ] from a press bulletin I was just emailed [Eb ] Re: Yip [Tom Clark ] wow! [Eb ] Eb-bait! [Ben ] Re: Yip [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Eb-bait! [Ben ] fwd: Eb-bait! [Russ Reynolds ] Re: Yip [amadain ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Yip On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Eb wrote: > Capuchin: > >Well, does it matter if it's his father or just some old man? After all, > >as far as we're concerned, his father is just some old man we don't > >know... as the song says. > Well, everyone is saying that the song is so touching because it's about > his father. If it was just about any old man dying, it wouldn't be > perceived as so affecting and personal. For me, it doesn't matter if it's personal to the artist if it's insightful and interesting. That's what I'm saying. Some folks need that personal attachment, but some people also watch Rikki Lake and some people don't see the purpose of fiction. > >Certainly the nursery rhyme feel was intended. But not to make a novelty > >and jest of his father's death (or of any of the suffering in the story), > >but to emphasise the epic and universal nature of the theme. Ring Around > >The Rosie, anyone? Three Billy Goats Gruff? Nursery rhymes contain dark > >truth. > You're rrreaching. I would be rrreaching if I was trying to fortify my already formed opinion by digging through the song and reinterpretting things to suit my needs. It's not like that at all. This is exactly the interpretation I picked up on first listen. It might not be what Robyn intended, but if he intended something more particular, he would have said it more explicitly and that would have just been boring. Because this interpretation leapt out at me, I can only assume it was put there intentionally. I might be in a minority, but it seems exactly the intended meaning because it was exactly what I gleaned initially and still comfortably understand today. > >I'm not sure who brought forward the > >idea, but I'm of the opinion that the line, written while his father was > >dying in an effort to accept the death as a fact of life, was replaced > >after the actual event of his father's death because the original was TOO > >final and painful and difficult to accept. > OK, so he soft-pedalled the content. Doesn't win any points with me. He "soft-pedalled" (Wow, you're a bigger pianist than I thought!) the content not because he didn't feel like being so open and risky, but probably because he didn't feel like he could say the line again without losing its meaning. The theoretical idea of "this old man's" death was something entirely different from the reality of it. One had a line that meant the end was there and he was nothing more than the bones in the ground and the flowers on the mound, the other has a line that just says it's over and he regretted things (I don't think "am sorry" should be a permanent condition. We get over things. It's called emotional maturity.) and that was that. He can't (couldn't?) believe in a real situation in which is father is "roses, ash, and holly". Before he died, that was what he wanted to believe. Now that he is dead, that's not what makes him comfortable. His father is something else. It's too painful and difficult to accept that the old man's just dirt, dust and memory. He changed the words because it changed meaning for him. The words of one were too painful to be real to him after the fact of death. It's a case of expectation versus realization. > >Well, in two different versions of Storefront Hitchcock, he introduces the > >thing by saying "It's about dying from cancer" or something similar. Is > >this not on the disc you have? Also, in the film, there's a nice little > >visual displaying the name of Raymond Hitchcock and his lifespan. I think > >that's all it takes to clue in most folks. > Exactly. Most folks need to go outside the song to understand it, and the > filmmakers realized this. The song wasn't enough -- visual content had to > be added. I don't want to get into the problems with "most folks", but I think we should say, and let it suffice, that the film is directing the song toward an audience that isn't necessarily savvy enough to pick up the complex lyrics and not likely to hear the song more than this one time on film. > (No, the CD doesn't include any talk about dying of cancer.) See, that's really too bad because I love the way the film does it. It gives the Raymond Hitchcock text overlay in the corner and then close-ups Robyn who says "This is the most upbeat song I've ever written. It's about dying from cancer." I think the optical is there to give a bit of context. Robyn doesn't say specifically that it's about someone ELSE dying from cancer (he's certainly written many songs that reflect a narrator experiencing a thing that Robyn himself has never come near) and really makes a big difference in lines like "He was gone and I was sorry". Also, it's very easy to misinterpret This Old Man as a third person self-reference. Hell, I say "This monkey is" as often as I say "I am" and I mean them the same. Anyway, my original point stands, which is that an artist shouldn't spell everything out. I don't read Anne Rule and I don't need Robyn to write lyrics like Robert W. Service. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:38:03 EDT From: Briannupp@aol.com Subject: Re: Storefront Hitchcock What ever happen to the Monochrome Set? Does anyone have any recordings of them w/ Morris (besides that live Monochrome album)? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:49:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Yip Capuchin puffed himself up: >For me, it doesn't matter if it's personal to the artist if it's >insightful and interesting. That's what I'm saying. Of course. But this doesn't change the fact that "Yip" doesn't make it for me. I guess that I DON'T find the song particularly insightful or interesting, minus its backstory. For me, the clunky gimmicks ruin the song's resonance. Those are the breaks. You're welcome to perceive otherwise. >I would be rrreaching if I was trying to fortify my already formed opinion >by digging through the song and reinterpretting things to suit my needs. >It's not like that at all. This is exactly the interpretation I picked up >on first listen. It might not be what Robyn intended, but if he intended >something more particular, he would have said it more explicitly and that >would have just been boring. Because this interpretation leapt out at me, >I can only assume it was put there intentionally. What an oddly self-absorbed argument. You know, D# instantly realized that The Division Bell was about her, the first time she heard it -- just ask her. >(I don't think "am sorry" should be a >permanent condition. We get over things. It's called emotional >maturity.) and that was that. OK, maybe Robyn DOESN'T miss his father anymore. Seems unlikely, however. >Hell, I say "This monkey is" as often as I say "I >am" and I mean them the same. All right, now you're weirding me out. ;) >Some folks need that >personal attachment, but some people also watch Rikki Lake and some people >don't see the purpose of fiction. >I don't want to get into the problems with "most folks", but I think we >should say, and let it suffice, that the film is directing the song toward >an audience that isn't necessarily savvy enough to pick up the complex >lyrics and not likely to hear the song more than this one time on film. >I don't read Anne Rule and I don't need Robyn to write >lyrics like Robert W. Service. Boy, and people call ME snooty. Did you come down with a nasty case of aristocracy today, Jeme? Eb np: Golden Smog/Weird Tales (disappointing -- this DOESN'T rank above Storefront Hitch...but I sure loved Down by the Old Mainstream) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:42:13 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Yip It may not be clear that the song is about the singer's father, but the lines "He was gone and I was sorry", "Draw a window on his skin" and "Septicaemia always wins" make it perfectly clear that a male person close to the singer has died during surgery. I don't think the song would be improved by the E J Thribb approach: So farewell then Raymond Hitchcock You were my dad and you kicked the bucket Now I'm really Upset Yes, the meaning comes through more unambiguously, but at the expense of the quality of the imagery. Possibly the image of the nurses looking like forces' sweetheart Vera Lynn is clearer to middle-aged English people like me than to international fegdom - but all poets use images which are clear to them but have to be explained to other readers. Apart from Eric's brief phrase describing the "nursery rhyme" quality, I don't think anyone has spelled out the fact that the first line is indeed from a nursery rhyme "This old man came rolling home" - perhaps it was too obvious to mention. I assume that the connection is that he learned this nursery rhyme from his father 40 years ago. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 06:23:05 -0400 From: tanter Subject: SH Excuse I, but how do those of us stick out here in the boonies of north central Texas get access to the movie/CD? I'm feeling really f'ing lost reading comments from those of you who have seen/heard said movie/CD..... !!!!!!! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:10:59 -0400 From: "Scott (Ferris) Thomas" Subject: Psychological Insights and good luck. Ahoy, all... I was cruising through the list I'm on this morning and came across a post from somebody reading Psychology Today. There was a section of an article transcribed about singers/rock stars who use the "first person singular" in their music....It's pretty low on the RH scale of relevance (I would think...) but it made me chuckle a bit. I'm heading Wednesday for not only the scenic JFK airport, but the boundlessly more beautiful Newark, as well. Then it's off to Manchester (my wedding Part II on Saturday). Wish me luck, one and all.... Enjoy. - -f. - ---------- The constant attention that comes with fame inflates some celebrity egos. For others though, the effect is reverse. It makes them so aware of their shortcomings that they may be driven to self-destruction. Mark Schaller, Ph.D., of the University of British Columbia has surveyed the works of songwriters Kurt Cobain and Cole Porter and of writer John Cheever to see how often they used the first person singular. With each man, the rate of self-reference jumped after he became famous. Schaller theorizes that the relentless scrutiny of fans and the media leads some celebrities to become acutely self-conscious. Some develop "impostor syndrome," he observes. "They think to themselves, 'I know that I'm not as great as they think I am.'" The need to escape this agonizing self-awareness may lead some famous people to alcoholism, drug abuse, or compulsive sexuality, says Schaller. Porter and Cheever were both alcoholics. Using journals, and letters, Schaller has found that Cheever's battles with alcohol apparently followed the periods of his greatest renown. As for Cobain, the leader of Nirvana was addicted to heroin and ultimately killed himself with a shotgun. "Suicide has been called 'the ultimate escape from self-awareness," Schaller notes. - ---------- ________________________________________________ F. S. Thomas - -Programmer- FUNNYBONE Interactive fthomas@cendantsoft.com http://pages.cthome.net/hellhollow/ ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:49:01 -0400 From: "Scott (Ferris) Thomas" Subject: RH: Storefront in NYC Hey again... Just a quick one. I see that Storefront Hitchcock hits NYC on the 18th of November. It could make for a nice organized night out, no? I'm doubtful that the film will migrate to my little corner of Connecticut. - -f. np: Belle & Sebastian "The Boy With the Arab Strap" ( ¡ I thought melodic, jangly pop died with The Field Mice ! ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:20:07 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Octaves In a message dated 10/5/98 3:34:57 PM, you wrote: <<>to playing guitar. At certain points, there seems to be some sort of >electronic processing on Deni's violin, so that it plays in two octaves? um, possibly an octaver?>> I'd have to hear the part, but maybe she's just bowing two strings at once? - -----Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: RH: Storefront in NYC Where did you read/see this? Yes, it was announced at his last Bottom Line show that it would come out in NYC on November 18th, but I'm still surprised that they kept to that date. Opening dates are famous for changing. > Just a quick one. > > I see that Storefront Hitchcock hits NYC on the 18th of November. It could > make for a nice organized night out, no? I'm doubtful that the film will > migrate to my little corner of Connecticut. > > -f. > > np: Belle & Sebastian "The Boy With the Arab Strap" ( ¡ I thought melodic, > jangly pop died with The Field Mice ! ) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 12:26:04 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: "Yip," said the one-handed man I love the Yip song. Everything about it, including the Yips. Capuchin of the Nerdy Groovers writes, >I'm not sure who brought forward the >idea, but I'm of the opinion that the line, written while his father was >dying in an effort to accept the death as a fact of life, was replaced >after the actual event of his father's death because the original was TOO >final and painful and difficult to accept. I don't consider that hiding >behind words. While an artist's life is the inspiration for her art, it >need not be subjected to the scrutiny of her intended insights. Aha! So the "Chrissie Hitchcock" mystery deepens. . . . But seriously, I can see Jeme's point -- that might be a bit too painful to sing right after the fact. Alas, however, it is a much better final verse. Eb asks, >*2: 1974 (5:00). Vaguely similar lyrical tone to "Like a Rolling Stone," >early on. "You and David Crosby and a bloke with no hand" -- I don't get >that allusion. Help? I don't claim to get it, either, but Jerry Garcia was missing a notorious finger, and did play occasionally with David Crosby. Ok, so a finger isn't a hand, but it was the best I could think of, and it does let me mention the Dead in a totally neutral fashion. What would have rhymed with "finger?" Wishful thinking department: By the way, I am infinitely pleased that the movie "Beloved" has such a high profile -- maybe it will help cast some light on Demme's *other* little project. . . . - --Quail, who *literally* ran into Elvis Costello coming out of the Tower Records Classical CD wing on the day of his scheduled appearance. By the time I looked up and the shock wore off, the King, Burt Bacharach, and an entourage of glamourous followers had already made their way past me. PS: LJ and I were last in line at the signing, and he *flirted* with her! Can you imagine that! First he unapologetically runs into me, then he shamelessly flirts with LJ! Gosh, I sure do plan to take this up with him when he brings her back. . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth "Countlessness of livestories have netherfallen by this plage, flick as flowflakes, litters from aloft, like a waast wizzard all of whirlworlds. Now are all tombed to the mound, isges to isges, erde from erde . . . (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, to this claybook, what curious of signs (please stoop) in this allaphbed! Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? . . . Speak to us of Emailia!" --James Joyce, Finnegans Wake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Storefront Hitchcock On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 Briannupp@aol.com wrote: > What ever happen to the Monochrome Set? They're still around, I think. They released several albums in -- urk -- the first half of the decade. I've seen two or three new collections of old songs since then, but no formal break-up. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 09:28:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: That Caimbridge CD Anyone got that Caimbridge Folk Fest CD yet? I thought I saw where it was supposed to be out by now. Reviews, track list appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Welker Subject: At the corner of time and motion. ..Pink Moon.. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Opening night of SH - 11/18/1998 (Wednesday) I went to: http://www.filmforum.com/comingFF1.html#hitchcock and there found info about NYC opening night. I called up the film forum. Opening day has shows 2, 3:40, 5:20, 7, 9 and 10:20. The 9pm show is a benefit show that will cost $100, but JD and RH will be there (pre-movie party at S.O.B.'s) and Robyn will play one song before we all head over to the show. I don't know how many of you could afford this, but I was wondering if anyone was interested in this. Or is there talk of a different day? And while you're at it, has there been an lj sighting? I think lj now stands for "lost jouremailaddress." ------------------------------------ If you have a condom and sunscreen SPF 15 or greater, than it's safe to look at http://www.panix.com/~gsa/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 15:04:16 -0700 From: Mike Runion Subject: Re: That Caimbridge CD Russ Reynolds wrote: > > Anyone got that Caimbridge Folk Fest CD yet? I thought I saw where it was > supposed to be out by now. > > Reviews, track list appreciated. Hey Russ, No word yet on the RH&E Cambridge show CD, though I think both Eddie and I have it on order. The date I have for when it was supposed to be released was Oct 2. Of course, I'd heard that there was going to be a Cambridge Folk Festival compilation of various artists out this summer, but nothing apparently ever came of that. If I get any further word or news on this one, I'll be sure to post it up. Mike - -- Mike Runion Cocoa, FL, USA /******************************************************************\ | VCM: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm | | Fegmaps: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/fegmaps | | Spoken Word Tape: http://www5.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/wordtape.htm | \******************************************************************/ "Wait a minute. Time for a Planetary Sit-In!" - Julian Cope ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:08:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Yip Godwin: >It may not be clear that the song is about the singer's father, but the >lines "He was gone and I was sorry", "Draw a window on his skin" and >"Septicaemia always wins" make it perfectly clear that a male person close >to the singer has died during surgery. My friend Dan is gone and I am sorry. He moved to Ohio. Also, note that there's a big difference between being close to "the singer" and being close to Hitchcock himself. Robyn isn't exactly averse to singing in the guise of a character, you know. >I don't think the song would be >improved by the E J Thribb approach: > >So farewell then Raymond Hitchcock >You were my dad and you kicked the bucket >Now I'm really >Upset The continuing appearance of condescending statements like these does little to advance the discussion. I think all of you preaching this haughty "Hmpf, DIRECTNESS in lyrics? *I* don't need my hand held!" line oughta listen to the new Lyle Lovett album, and rediscover evocative songwriting based in simplicity, lack of detachment and straightforward communication. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:16:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: from a press bulletin I was just emailed "TIM KEEGAN and the HOMER LOUNGE Long Distance Information cd (Flydaddy) - following his work with the Blue Aeroplanes and Robyn Hitchcock, singer/guitarist TK steps out on this collection of UK-only singles. The package also contains a bonus disc with early b-sides from Tim's previous band, Homer. Fine stuff all around, we like it and can compare it to a bunch of other stuff, but that would be stupid. Don't you know anything about good music? Out in late October, touring too." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:43:06 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Yip On 10/6/98 12:08 PM, Eb wrote: >I think all of you preaching this haughty "Hmpf, DIRECTNESS in lyrics? *I* >don't need my hand held!" line oughta listen to the new Lyle Lovett album, >and rediscover evocative songwriting based in simplicity, lack of >detachment and straightforward communication. Just to clarify, Lovett's new disc is all covers of his favorite Texas songwriters (Guy Clark, Robert Earl Keen, Townes Van Zant, etc...). - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:48:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: wow! Letterman Stalker Commits Suicide .c The Associated Press HOTCHKISS, Colo. (AP) -- The woman who went to prison for repeatedly stalking David Letterman committed suicide by kneeling in front of an oncoming train. Margaret Mary Ray, 46, left only a phone number to call a friend who could notify relatives before she died Monday afternoon, Delta County Sheriff Bill Blair said Tuesday. ``This lady just walked out, knelt and leaned over the track, and the train couldn't stop,'' Blair said. ``She was killed instantly.'' Ms. Ray spent various terms in prison, jail and mental institutions over the years for harassing Letterman and, more recently, former astronaut Story Musgrave. Ms. Ray was first arrested in 1988 while driving Letterman's Porsche near the Lincoln Tunnel in New York City. She identified herself as Letterman's wife and her son as David Jr. when she was unable to pay the $3 toll. She was arrested repeatedly in subsequent years on trespassing and other counts, once after police found her sleeping near tennis courts on Letterman's property in New Canaan, Ct. She once told reporters she left cookies and an empty bottle of Jack Daniels whiskey in the foyer of Letterman's house during one of her visits. Ray spent about 10 months in prison and 14 months in a state mental institution on the trespassing convictions. In a 1992 interview with The Advocate of Stamford, Ct., Letterman said he had tried everything to discourage Ms. Ray. ``The thing is, she's insane,'' Letterman said. ``And you don't want to do anything to make it worse than it is.'' More recently, she turned her attentions to Musgrave. He told investigators last year that Ms. Ray had harassed him for four years by calling, writing and sending him packages. She onced showed up at Musgrave's Osceola County, Fla., home and turned on all the outdoor faucets. ``I love him and want to spend the rest of my life with him,'' Ms. Ray said from the jail. She eventually pleaded guitly to stalking and misdemeanor assault on a corrections officer. She was freed in August after being credited for time already served. Blair said Ms. Ray was living in Crawford, Colo., but caused no trouble there. She was often belligerent with authorities, and several times she was deemed incompetent to stand trial. At a hearing early this year, a handcuffed Ms. Ray had to be restrained by two guards as a judge pronounced her incompentent to face charges. ``After four months and two days in that hellhole, who in their (expletive) right mind would feel competent?'' Ms. Ray told the judge. During another court appearance, Ms. Ray shrieked: ``I'm ready to talk. I've had enough. I've seen enough.'' Letterman occasionally joked about the incidents. Shortly before he left NBC for CBS in 1993, he alluded to Ms. Ray in his ``Top 10 Things I Have to Do Before I Leave NBC.'' One item on the list was ``send change-of-address forms to that woman who breaks into my house.'' AP-NY-10-06-98 1457EDT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:38:32 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Eb-bait! From the world of internet newsgroups: How did Hendrix play his guitar? What band did Jim Kerr play in before Simple Minds? If you think you know, try this October's VoxPop Trivia Test. But be warned, it's the hardest trivia test on the 'net! We'll be sending a free CD of their choice to all the lucky winners, and the correct answers to everybody who enters. Oh, and there's lots of other good stuff too - music to listen to, over 600 tracks in RealAudio. But you'll see that when you get there. Go on, try it on http://www.VoxPop.co.uk/Trivia.asp. __________________________________________________ Hear tomorrow's music today at http://www.VoxPop.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:47:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Yip On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Eb wrote: > What an oddly self-absorbed argument. You know, D# instantly realized that > The Division Bell was about her, the first time she heard it -- just ask > her. okay, it's true. sometimes people are wrong about interpretations. but if an indirect song's meaning is nevertheless very clear, the artist deserves praise, not "if you wanted to be understood, why didn't you just say what you were thinking?" to put it another way, saying something indirect may communicate the way you're feeling a lot better than saying "here's how i feel right now: wistful, a little drunk, angry at my mother." and sometimes having to make an effort to understand the relationship between a set of images makes the song much more satisfying. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 16:44:48 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: Eb-bait! P.S. this is just a too-easy quiz and you can win a free CD so I thought I'd let everyone know. I am in no way affiliated with them! P.P.S. see if you can spot the question that doesn't offer one of the correct answers... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 98 14:03:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Eb-bait! ======== Original Message ======== From the world of internet newsgroups: How did Hendrix play his guitar? What band did Jim Kerr play in before Simple Minds? If you think you know, try this October's VoxPop Trivia Test. But be warned, it's the hardest trivia test on the 'net! We'll be sending a free CD of their choice to all the lucky winners, and the correct answers to everybody who enters. Oh, and there's lots of other good stuff too - music to listen to, over 600 tracks in RealAudio. But you'll see that when you get there. Go on, try it on http://www.VoxPop.co.uk/Trivia.asp. __________________________________________________ Hear tomorrow's music today at http://www.VoxPop.co.uk ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Well, I don't know the answers to all those questions but I do know that Ringo Starr sang on TWO songs on the White Album, one of which isn't listed among the choices. Makes the whole thing kind of suspect if you ask me. - -Dave Letterman's nephew. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:44:09 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Yip >Possibly the image of the nurses looking like forces' sweetheart Vera Lynn >is clearer to middle-aged English people like me than to international >fegdom - but all poets use images which are clear to them but have to be >explained to other readers. No, it was clear to me. Did anyone else think the "Molly" mentioned was Molly Bloom? The idea of a Vera Lynn/Molly Bloom madonna/whore dichotomy pleases me muchly. That along with the idea of Death coming at last not as a ghoul, not as a shrouded dark figure with a scythe, but as an insistent yipping dog barking incessantly around the bed, really makes the song for me. >from a nursery rhyme "This old man came rolling home" - perhaps it was too >obvious to mention. I assume that the connection is that he learned this >nursery rhyme from his father 40 years ago. Well maybe, maybe not. With things like nursery rhymes it's hard to know where one exactly learned them, and I think it might be reaching slightly to suggest that his father taught it to him. Who knows really? But I think it was just handy. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #380 *******************************