From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #364 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 21 1998 Volume 07 : Number 364 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Born under a bad sign [Thomas Rodebaugh ] rec.music.beatles [Eb ] A tall green cat leaps very lightly, sells sheep, cars and pies [james.di] Re: RH in Raygun note... [Lobsterman ] Hell Yeah!!!!!!! ["Hallucinogenic Woodpecker " ] Re: Hell Yeah!!!!!!! [Insomnboy@aol.com] Re: RH in Raygun note... [X-Communicate ] Re: Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos [Natalie Jacobs ] Re: Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign someone asked if someone had compared the mmpi to astrological signs. in fact, grand dahlstrom (one of the original researchers on the mmpi) did. basically, he found that there was *less* of a relationship between astrological signs and mmpi profiles than would be expected from chance alone. this was with a database of 2600 people, so it's pretty bad for astrology. unless you decide that the mmpi doesn't measure the same thing as astrological signs. the reference is: dahlstrom, g. w., hopkins, d., dahlstrom, l., jackson, e., cumella, e.. (1996) MMPI findings on astrological and other folklore concepts of personality. _Psychological Reports, 78,_ 1059-1070. personal note: my girlfriend is a pisces, but there's no way she should be a water sign of any sort. whether or not i deserve to be an aries is another question. another good argument against astrology is this: if it can predict your day, what about the huge groups of people who all get killed in the same battle? say, gettysburg. how does that work? gee, i wish i had something to say about robyn, tom clinical psych student ********************************************************************** * data collection for tom's masters project is: 1/6 done! huzzah! * ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:52:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: rec.music.beatles In a thread in which the worth of "Cold Turkey" is hotly debated (everyone is ganging up on one Carpenters-loving prig who thinks "Cold Turkey" is thoroughly loathesome): > From: jseraf7064@aol.com (JSeraf7064) > Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles > Subject: Re: Cold Turkey > Date: 19 Sep 1998 21:52:06 GMT > >>That's a pretty unique opinion of Robyn Hitchcock and Kimberly Rew, who >>covered "Cold Turkey" on the first Soft Boys album. > > Uhhh.. Who? > > -JS And a few posts later.... > From: "Tom" > Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles > Subject: Re: Cold Turkey > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:36:46 -0400 > > >Uhhh.. Who? > > > The soft boys were an English band from the lat 70s/early 80s who were very > influenced by Syd Barrett and miiddle period Beatles. Their lead > singer/songwriter was Robyn Hitchcock, who has had a long solo career since > and is generally thought of as one of the closest modern songwriters to > Lennon, Barrett, or Dylan. Generally, he's more melodic pop, rarely punk > rock. > > Kimberly Rew was the lead guitarist. He's had a less illustrious solo > career, though he did have a hit in America as a member of Katrina and the > Waves and he did a few Beatleish pop singles that I love with the Waves and > the Dbs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:09:03 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: A tall green cat leaps very lightly, sells sheep, cars and pies >Donovan's "Under the Greenwood Tree" -Lyrics by W. Shakespeare ...not to mention other Donovan songs with literary themes, such as "The tale of the wandering Aengus" >I know way more than I should about astrology, and I've never heard of >Ophiucus... I assume it's supposed to be an extra constellation in the >zodiac or something? (I have heard some guff about extra planets and >things like that, but not very often.) thirteen signs lie around the true zodiac, as defined by the sun's path through the sky. But, as many an astrologer will point out, the exact 12 signs are irrelevant. The important thing is the division of the year into 12 equally sized houses. It was convenience as much as anything else which saw them named after the twelve 'sun-signs'. If the actual constellation that the sun was passing through was the most important thing, then the 12 houses would all be of differing durations (compare the size of Scorpius and Libra and you'll see why!). >Astrology buffs don't talk about it much either out of ignorance or >embarassment, as near as I can tell. Skeptics ask because it's a good >question that deserves a good answer. Skeptics ask about *everything*. >Why make an exception for pet concepts? Well, many will - as I pointed out above - simply state that the division of the year into 12 houses is more important that the signs themselves. You could say you were morn under the sign of Binky the Three-legged Kangaroo if that sign had recognisable traits. The important factor - if there is one - is more likely the climatic conditions on Earth at the different times of the year: do people who have been geststed through winter turn out differently to people who have been gestated during summer? Less likely now than during pre-modern medicine times, probably, but it is still possible. Of course this begs the question: "do we need a different explanation for each sign for different parts of the planet?" I recently played devil's advocate on another list WRT astrology, simply because one person was attacking it out of hand without looking at it closely, setting up all sorts of 'unanswerable questions' each of which it can answer with reasonable ease. I don't believe in it, but I have done a bit of study on it - enough to know that the majority of questions aimed at bringing it down as a theory miss the mark or can be easily explained away. Common sense dictates that it is irrelevant, but common sense would probably also balk at the possibility that matter is more than 99% empty space. >I'm sure you'll find just as much confidence in the reading of gnu >entrails in those who practice that particular form of divination. >To say that there's got to be something to it if enough people believe >in it is demonstrably false. where's the proof in most economic theories? Or religions? Or some schools of psychology, for that matter? >If it works, you can prove it. So >where's the proof? If you're studying it scientifically, you use scientific method. It is impossible to prove anything without doubt using scientific method. >How can they theorize on how it works, if it can't be demonstrated to >work in the first place? the problem is simply the number of variables involved. Any science with enough variables soon imitates an art. Look at chaos theory. We know all the rules as to how hurricanes form in different parts of the world, but we don't come close to working out how to predict them ahead of time until they actually start to develop. >>it instead of thinking - to pre-judge people ("Oh, he's a Scorpio, he must >>be intense"), or as an excuse ("I can't do any writing today, Mercury is >>retrograde"). Some of my friends governed their whole lives this way. I well, if he treats you horribly... >Well, I was hasty and unthinking when I chose that date. It's probably >something more like '64, but you have to get pretty choosy when you're >talking about folks in those three or four years around that date. > >Waiting for Dignan to get upset that it's not '63, >(even though James is proof for, not against) I think I'll take this as a very backhanded compliment. I think. We all love you too Jeme. James ("I don't believe in astrology - us Geminis never do...") "It is meaningless ritual and blind superstition that separates humans from the lower animals" (Andy Kaufman as Latka Gravas in Taxi) PPS - don't be surprised if you don't hear from me for a week or so - I'll be testing subjects for an experiment, and may not be able to get near a computer for a while. No, there are no MMPI tests involved! PPPS - the subject line is a mnemonic for the zodiacal signs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:39:39 -0800 From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: RH in Raygun note... hey, i went to my local store and looked at the new Raygun, but found nothing! maybe the issue you saw was newer than the one i looked at. speaking of robyn articles, i bought the gq mag so i could read the robyn article located within. it was written by sarah vowell, whose name might ring a bell if you listen to the NPR program "This American Life." She is a regular contributor to that show. all that said, after reading the article i concluded that, although she might be a fan and all, she really doesn't "get" robyn. and i would be glad to trade a photocopy of my gq article, for a photocopy of the column with Robyn and Mr. Demme in that music magazine (was it acoustic guitar? musician?? hmmm, can't remember...) - -jbj >Also, on a Storefront note, the new issue of Raygun has a J. Demme and >RH article/interview type thing. I refuse to read or buy Raygun because >it is *SO* graphically painful, but this article does seem to be clear >with a readable type and in some sort of order. Maybe a transcript will >show up bye-the-bye. > >.chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:55:38 -0500 From: "Hallucinogenic Woodpecker " Subject: Hell Yeah!!!!!!! finally.......the wait is over New Vanilla Ice Album Due The hard-hitting new album from pop-rapper Vanilla "Ice Ice Baby" Ice, Hard to Swallow, will be released Oct. 20. The thrash/rap album, produced by Ross Robinson (Korn, Limp Bizkit) is a hybrid of Ice's rapping and Kornesque hard rock. The album's songs include "Living," "Scars," "F--- Me," "The Horny Song," "Freestyle," "Too Cold," "Ecstacy" and "Prozac." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:07:10 EDT From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hell Yeah!!!!!!! In a message dated 9/20/98 8:58:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, trentd@claynet.com writes: << New Vanilla Ice Album Due The hard-hitting new album from pop-rapper Vanilla "Ice Ice Baby" Ice, Hard to Swallow, will be released Oct. 20. The thrash/rap album, produced by Ross Robinson (Korn, Limp Bizkit) is a hybrid of Ice's rapping and Kornesque hard rock. The album's songs include "Living," "Scars," "F--- Me," "The Horny Song," "Freestyle," "Too Cold," "Ecstacy" and "Prozac." >> Fuck me!!!!!! Quick hand me the Prozac before I get scars from living through "The Horny Song"!!!! Ecstacy it will not be.................... Russell in Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: X-Communicate Subject: Re: RH in Raygun note... > hey, i went to my local store and looked at the new Raygun, but found nothing! > maybe the issue you saw was newer than the one i looked at. > IIRC, it was the Raygun with Kiss on the cover and a free Kiss flyposter in the center. I do not know the month, as I probably did not see that in the cryptic mess of graphic confoundment that is the cover. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:37:47 -0400 From: Natalie Jacobs Subject: Re: Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos [list of rec.music.tori-amos subjects snipped] I'm trying to decide which one of these is my favorite. "Hysterical bridehood" certainly has a ring to it, but then again who could "Mange Grrrl" be? Does an "anti-hig policy" have anything to do with the Higsons? And does the "cannibalism/Tori's vegetarianism" thread involve placentas? Why don't we talk about "getting naked in class" more? Or for that matter "small breasts"? And what *does* that coding system mean? n., short freak ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:20:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos Small-Breasted Short Freak wrote: >I'm trying to decide which one of these is my favorite. "Hysterical >bridehood" certainly has a ring to it, but then again who could "Mange >Grrrl" be? Does an "anti-hig policy" have anything to do with the Higsons? >And does the "cannibalism/Tori's vegetarianism" thread involve placentas? >Why don't we talk about "getting naked in class" more? Or for that matter >"small breasts"? > >And what *does* that coding system mean? Well, you asked for it. Get ready to *cringe*. Tori fans are, uh, just a BIT anal.... Eb np: Snowpony/The Slow-Motion World of Snowpony this posting is aimed at well, everyone, especially newcomers who are wondering what the heck all these letters are, or oldtimers who have forgotten or left before the threadmarkers went into use. it's to explain & clarify the use of threadmarkers. without further ado: ------Okay, so what are they?------ ***basics... -R- : General torelevant post, about the albums or whatever -I- : General irrelevant, non-Torelevant -M- : Meta (discussions about rmt-a itself) -F- : FAQ postings ***specialized... -G- : Fan activity, gatherings, and so forth. -T- : Talking about the tour (concert reviews, looking for tickets, etc.) -B- : Bootlegs -O- : Poll question, either toriRelevant or non. an easy way to remember this is that "o" can be thought of to stand for "opinion". -S- : Sex (because some people will be squicked by the topic) -C- : caring, confessional, core dump: for posts that you wish to be received into a 'caring' environment, typically of a personal nature. [CRINGE!!] -P- : Poetry -D- : Tori dream; is often used for any dream, not specifically Tori. [DOUBLEPLUS CRINGE!!] **************** - ----why threadmarkers/where did they come from/other useful info---- Due to the sheer volume of messages on rmt-a and the penchant for rmt-a folks to stray from the subject at hand (usually in mid-post), it can be very hard to follow, especially for those seeking Tori information. To help ease navigation problems, Midnight Tree Bandit stole an idea from another newsgroup: marking threads so that, at a glance, readers will have an idea of what sort of posts will be found. It's quick and easy - only three characters, two of them the same. Re-mark old threads if you feel it appropriate, but more importantly, try to mark new threads. When a thread changes from relevant to irrelevant, it's perfectly acceptable to change the notation, and in fact is encouraged. remember: a threadmarker does *not* double as spoiler space. The correct format for thread markers is -capital letter-, NOT *letter* or - - letter -. ************* ************* You may see some incorrect thread markers. Don't use them. They're wrong, WRONG I SAY! Also, please don't make up thread markers. It only adds confusion and defeats the purpose of the thread markers. ************* ************ So if you see this: - -r- example of an incorrectly marked post or - - I - example of an incorrectly marked post or *G* example of an incorrectly marked post Change the marker to the correct one: a Capital Letter with a hyphen directly on either side of it. -R- Tori sighting on MTV -I- I had a really lousy day -G- Any Tori fans want to meet up in Hoboken? ------Why does it matter?------- It matters because of the way filters and watchfiles work. People who set their filters and watchfiles to sort thru messages write their filters based on this, and if you mark your message (or leave an incorrect thread marker in a follow-up) the filters simply won't work. Other things: When the topic of a thread drifts (this is practically unavoidable), the thread marker should change with it. If a thread starts out as -R- Icicle interpretations and then some posts go by and we're now just discussing masturbation and no longer discussing Tori's song, then the thread marker (and probably the subject line as well) should be changed to something like: -S- Masturbation (was re: Icicle interpretations). When you put in a new marker, take the old one out. - ----I don't like threadmarkers/I don't like *these* threadmarkers---- well, please use them anyway. there is discussion going on right now about revamping the threadmarker system, and it looks like some variety of a vote will take place soon on if/what to change, how to change it, etc. this will be your chance to be constructive and influence positive change. keep your eyes out for discussion about it. and in the meantime, this is how we mark our threads on this newsgroup, and your participation and respect of that is greatly appreciated. *********************** the info in this posting is an amalgamation of things put to words by Midnight Tree Bandit, bramble, and i think jay and Mike Zeares. if i left you out or included you when i shouldn't have, email me (bramble) and i'll fix it by the next posting. this was partially excerpted from the rec.music.tori-amos Survival Guide, which is currently maintained by eva, previously maintained by jay and is archived at the rmta website: http://www.rmta.org the -C- marker was added to this mini-faq on august 12, 1998 after several requests. description lifted from Darrien. follow-ups to the threadmarker faq should be marked -M- if posted to rmta. for more info about rmta, check out the rmta website http://www.rmta.org or email newbie@rmta.org to get the newbie pack. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #364 *******************************