From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #363 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, September 20 1998 Volume 07 : Number 363 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Born under a bad sign [Capuchin ] Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos [Eb ] Re: Born under a bad sign [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Born under a bad sign [Ross Overbury ] Re: Born under a bad sign [amadain ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Capuchin ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Insomnboy@aol.com] Re: Born under a bad sign [Bayard ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Born under a bad sign [Capuchin ] Storefront Hitchcock [Eb ] RH in Raygun note... [X-Communicate ] Re: Bad Seeds Live ["Julie Burton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I guess I basically believe in astrology. I > don't know a ton about it, but whenever someone's Sun, Moon and Rising are all > taken into account, I've found that this generally paints a pretty good > protrait of what that person's like. There are always going to be intervening > variables, of course, and astrology is far from being a perfect art or > science. But it's pretty neat. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were > some scientific basis behind it that we'll one day discover. There are all > those large masses out there in space, spinning around and complexly affecting > fields of gravity. And, since we're all fairly small masses, it stands to > reason that our bodies and everything inside (including neurochemicals and > whatnot) could be affected by the gravitational pulls of all the planets in > the solar system. Well, as Ross pointed out, the gravity of these great distant things peters out pretty quick when you get down to peoplespace. The gravity exerted by the doctor and particular medical equipment (or the bed or your father or a dressing table) in your birthing room were stronger than the gravities of celestial objects (if you call Earth THE terrestial object and not a celestial object we ride). See, I don't put any kind of faith in astrology at all and I usually roll my eyes eb-like or lose faith in a person when they start asking for my sign... however, I also think there's a chance there's some kind of basis behind these things. Certainly it could be chance and certainly it could be people reading things into vague statements made about their own personalities. I think the celestial thing is coincidental, but I think there's a chance people born around the same time have similar traits. Here are my personal justifications: Certainly a large portion of your personality is genetic and is derived from the genetic components of your parent's personalities (displayed or recessed in genetic code). So what sort of parents have children in, say, October? Well, for starters, you can include those that are fertile and fucking in February... maybe there are common traits among Groundhog Day copulators. Certainly a large portion of your personality is environmental and created in your most impressionable times of development. So what sort of developmental characteristics are common among children born in, say, October? Well, they usually take their first steps in summer... they spend their first months heavily clothed through winter... in my day, they started school as younger people due to the way deadlines fell. This would be, of course, completely opposite for antipodeans. But do they not have different astrology as well? I know fuck-all about astrology. I'm probably the least mystical person you've ever met. Tell me I'm wrong and I'll tell you you're probably right (I mean, of all the ideas in the world, what are the odds that I'm spouting one of the correct ones?) > Surely there must have been some study conducted by now that compares > astrological personality profiles to, say, MMPI profiles? It would be pretty > interesting, I think, to see to what degree there is a correlation. MMPI... don't get me started on the MMPI. Did I tell you about the time I made my psychology professor cry in class? It was glorious. A word to the cautious: Don't talk about strange attractors to a psychologist.. especially not in front of a class full of freshman. Of course you'd tell me to argue with Sagan... he's DEAD! I wish I could take up a few words with him. That Contact bullshit is in dire need of redress of grievances. And that last bit of Dragons of Eden. Damn, I want to kick his ass and show him reason. Fucking old people. Don't trust anyone born before 1970. Must have been all those MMPIs they administered. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:14:24 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Top 22 topics on rec.music.tori-amos [Remember that silly "coding system" they use...] - -I- relationships (was Re: Squash goes my heart) - -I- Darrien's anti-hig policy [was:Re: Squash goes my heart] - -I- small breasts - -I- So i bought a piano today... - -I- Pets n' Vets (Was:Re: -I- mental images) - -G- Future Planning (was: Nad's Questionaire thingy) - -I- sending in for that lesbian training kit now! - -I- Getting naked in class? - -I- Cannibalism (was Re: -I- Re: Help on Tori's Vegetarianism) - -I- Women's clothing rant, was: small breasts - -I- Introduction: Mange Grrrl - -I- short freaks - -I- Denver Experience (a wallowing) - -I- Big and Small Screen Esoterica (was I'm not sorry.) - -M- Wow, Deep Breaths Everybody. Deep Breaths... - -C- Seeking thoughts on hopeless hopes (or, why keep trying?) - -I- My first rainbow! - -I- small breasts, was Re: -I- curly, waves or straight hair - -I- Those Teletubbie Troublemakers - -I- Oregon pot (was: Re: Portland experience) - -I- pretend unisex bathrooms - -I- hysterical bridehood, take 3 Ooof. Eb, off to see Miz Amos perform tonight and checking her newsgroup to see what horrors I'm up against, crowdwise ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:04:36 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign In a message dated 98-09-18 15:38:30 EDT, you write: << What's a MMPI profile? >> I think it stands for the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. It's probably the most common personality test given. Actually, I think it's the MMPI-2. Anyway, there are, like, 200-300 questions that the respondant answers. These are then "graded" and charted out into, um, 7 (IIRC) categories, like Paranoia and Depression. These are then graphed, with peaks and valleys along the different measures giving insights into people's personalities. I think all the questions are Yes/No questions . . . or True/False, maybe. They're meant to be deceptively straightforward, like "I read auto magazines" or "I can't eat bread unless it's buttered" (I made those up, BTW). I learned how to administer it in grad school, but have forgotten (happily) a lot about it since then. I can see a lot of the points you made in your email, by the way. I've never studied atronomy, so I'm not surprised at how easily refutable a lot of my notions were. Oh well. - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 21:48:41 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign > > Of course you'd tell me to argue with Sagan... he's DEAD! Any mystic worth his salt crystals could have a good debate with Sagan right now. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:01:41 -0600 From: amadain Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign >it instead of thinking - to pre-judge people ("Oh, he's a Scorpio, he must >be intense"), or as an excuse ("I can't do any writing today, Mercury is >retrograde"). Some of my friends governed their whole lives this way. I Well, that's kinda idiotic (as you say :)). IMO, it's not the way to use it as that's way overgeneral (divide humanity into 12 types and judge accordingly?). Why bother learning about all the detail work that goes into making and reading a chart if you're only going to use it on that level? Unfortunately that IS the way most people use it, astrologers included. For me it's just extra information which may or may not give me more insight into a personality or personal motivations. Predictive, or horary, astrology is, er, not my scene :). Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Ross Overbury wrote: > > Of course you'd tell me to argue with Sagan... he's DEAD! > Any mystic worth his salt crystals could have a good debate with Sagan > right now. I did say I'm probably the least mystical person in the world, didn't I? I have a hard time mustering faith enough to say the sun WILL rise in the morning. Too many possibilities to settle on anything at all. In the most likely scenario, we're all wrong. I guess that's part of my beef with Sagan. Hey Tom, do you know the whole Apple/Sagan thing? The BHA story, I think? Butt-Headed Astronomer? Maybe it's legend. Two steps from nihilism, J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:48:09 EDT From: Insomnboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign In a message dated 9/18/98 6:55:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rosso@sceast.cn.ca writes: << Good point. I ignored the fact that a lot of people do this just for fun. I wouldn't bother with it myself when there's other ways (like fortune cookies, which offer such a gratifying side-benefit). >> Always remember, with fortune cookies, to add the words "in bed" to the end of any fortune you may receive ;-) Russell in Los Angeles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign > Of course you'd tell me to argue with Sagan... he's DEAD! I must be tired - I read this as "... tell me to argue with Satan..." > want to kick his ass and show him reason. Fucking old people. Don't > trust anyone born before 1970. Damn. I just missed the cutoff. Now I get lumped in with the dead guy (and Satan). We old folks may not be trustworthy, but as my bud Chris Gross pointed out, we sure do make for a damn fine listserv... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:40:17 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign At 3.43 PM -0700 9/18/98, Capuchin wrote: Fucking old people. Don't >trust anyone born before 1970. Must have been all those MMPIs they >administered. You know, this sounds like the start of a really good song. I suggest titling it "Young People Scream". Might be a hit... Be Seeing You, Carrie "geez, my neice was born in 1970 and I still don't feel old" Ketone "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 23:42:58 -0700 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign At 10.44 PM -0700 9/18/98, Capuchin wrote: >Two steps from nihilism, "Oh don't worry about them, they're nihilists" from The Big Leibowski Couldn't resist. B CENG U, - - Carrie "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." **************************************************************************** M.E.Ketone/C.Galbraith meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign > Hey Tom, do you know the whole Apple/Sagan thing? The BHA story, I think? > Butt-Headed Astronomer? Maybe it's legend. When it was discussed on alt.folklore.urban, no-one said that it was false, which is about as reliable as you can get with usenet facts. The essence of it: One of Apple's projects was code-named Sagan. Carl Sagan, not too happy to have his name used without his consent, either sued them or told them to stop. APple Computers responded by changing the code-name of the project to "Butt-head Astronomer". Sagan sued them for defamation or suchlike. The suit was dropped because "One does not seriously attack the credibility of a respected scientist by using undefined words like 'butthead'". So in other words, a highly respected scientist, an industry leader and a bunch of highly-paid lawyers sat around arguing because one called the other a butthead. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Born under a bad sign On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Bayard wrote: > > Of course you'd tell me to argue with Sagan... he's DEAD! > I must be tired - I read this as "... tell me to argue with Satan..." He's dead, too. > > want to kick his ass and show him reason. Fucking old people. Don't > > trust anyone born before 1970. > Damn. I just missed the cutoff. Now I get lumped in with the dead guy > (and Satan). We old folks may not be trustworthy, but as my bud Chris > Gross pointed out, we sure do make for a damn fine listserv... Well, I was hasty and unthinking when I chose that date. It's probably something more like '64, but you have to get pretty choosy when you're talking about folks in those three or four years around that date. Waiting for Dignan to get upset that it's not '63, (even though James is proof for, not against) Jeme. Have I mentioned that I love all of you? This is true. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:03:52 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Storefront Hitchcock I got an advance disc of Storefront Hitchcock today...I have NO time this weekend to play it and write up some comments, but I will in a few days. Curious track listing...21 tracks total (64:49), but the songs are indexed 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 ,15, 16, 17, 18 and 20. The "stories" get separate indexes. And the last track is not a story, but what superficially sounded like a snatch of casual dinner conversation with a woman. Hrm. And sorry, but the tape tree doesn't start here. Eb, off to hang with proggies at a rare Praxis performance tonight ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: X-Communicate Subject: RH in Raygun note... Also, on a Storefront note, the new issue of Raygun has a J. Demme and RH article/interview type thing. I refuse to read or buy Raygun because it is *SO* graphically painful, but this article does seem to be clear with a readable type and in some sort of order. Maybe a transcript will show up bye-the-bye. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:47:29 -0700 From: "Julie Burton" Subject: Re: Bad Seeds Live It is good to know that there are other fans on this list! I had the pleasure of catching Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds last night in LA. It was a really great show (although we only got two encores, one with 2 members of L7 on Deanna!), and I have a pretty good DAT recording, if anyone is interested in a trade... I also have a ton of Robyn shows and I am always looking for more. Thanks! Julie jaburton@msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #363 *******************************