From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #357 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 14 1998 Volume 07 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: Rocktropolis allstar news 9/11/98 [fwd] [Rebecca Lewis ] Re: Queen Elvis Demos [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Queen Elvis Demos [Ben ] Re: dipper in my spline [David Librik ] Re: dipper in my spline [Ben ] Re: anal injury [Capuchin ] Re: Rocktropolis allstar news 9/11/98 [Eb ] More redundancy [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] help, help, i'm being repressed (0 RH) [amadain ] Re: crabwise [Danielle ] fun for the hole family (RH = 6.2% - allow for settling in transit) [jame] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 22:52:05 -0400 From: Rebecca Lewis Subject: Re: Re: Rocktropolis allstar news 9/11/98 [fwd] >In a message dated 98-09-11 17:18:39 EDT, you write: > ><< Geeez.... can't Roxy Music's (the band) label sue him for that? >> > > Can't we all just clobber him in the street sometime? He's such a >worthless dork. Hello. This is my first post here although I have been lurking all summer. I have been trying to get a feel for the dynamics of list before posting. And I am a relatively new fan (three years) who has only seen Robyn in concert twice. Once at the Beacon in NYC where he opened for Billy Bragg. And another show, a few months later, at Maxwells here in Hoboken. I really enjoyed both shows and have been trying to catch up with all the years of his work I missed. I am a R.E.M. fan, especially the work Peter Buck does with his side projects. Buck's work has introduced me to a lot of great artists. And the fact he worked with Robyn made me want to attend the show at the Beacon. I don't like every one Buck works with, but I've found a lot of new-to-me artists to enjoy from using this method. And Robyn Hitchcock has been my favorite by far. I am not at all a fan of Lenny Kravitz, personally. I always thought he was channeling the work of better artists in everything of his I've heard. I particularly enjoy artists who are really original and IMHO Kravitz isn't. But I am pretty sure that his mother, who recently died, was either named Roxie or played a character named Roxie on a television show. (I know she was in a long running show, although I can't remember which one.) But I know that the name Roxie is strongly associated with her. So, while I think the use of the title "Roxie Music" for his company is extremely unwise (and possibly not legal), I think his motives must be understandable. He obviously wants to honor his mother. Anyway, I wanted to introduce myself. I have a lot to learn about Robyn and probably won't post much here, unless I come across any news. Hopefully he will play Maxwells again now that it has been rescued from the hands of the yuppie corporation which almost killed it. He played one of their last shows under the old owner - Steve Fallon - and seemed nostalgic about the place in light of the (then) coming changes. The new owner, who took it over just as it seemed Maxwells would be no more, was the long time booker, Todd Abrams. And the old regulars who used to play there are returning. So I'm hoping to see him there again. (I think its a great venue, and the old sound system, which sucked, seems to have been replaced. Besides it's a short walk from my apartment.) Rebecca Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Queen Elvis Demos Quick Question: how different are the QE demos of the songs that made it on the album? I never got the complete set, I assumed only the cool unreleased songs would be worth it. Can you detect a difference in the others? > >with a colon and a P, i retire to the smallest room in the house > > that has to be the best double-entendre I've read here in weeks! you are very kind. since no kind deed goes unpunished, here are a couple i'm surprised i haven't seen more: "The Duke of URL" "Starr-Crossed Lovers" and here's one I just came up with to describe a French resident of an all-Mexican district of Atlanta: "Jean-Paul Georgian Gringo" =b np: eddie's tape of the SF storefront Q&A (you FUCKING RULE, dood) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:41:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Queen Elvis Demos > how different are the QE demos of the songs that made it on the album? > I never got the complete set, I assumed only the cool unreleased songs > would be worth it. Can you detect a difference in the others? Most of the songs sound identical. I think that there are some slight differences in Knife (in the backing track), Wax Doll includes the bridge (I think) and there aren't any horns. On the other hand, there's a really neat version of Surgery. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:46:18 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: Queen Elvis Demos Bayard wrote: > Quick Question: > > how different are the QE demos of the songs that made it on the album? > I never got the complete set, I assumed only the cool unreleased songs > would be worth it. Can you detect a difference in the others? They don't sound very different at all. It leads me to believe that these are just alternate mixes of the finished tracks, not demos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:49:53 -0500 From: David Librik Subject: Re: dipper in my spline >I just so happen to have the sequel import "my wife and my dead wife" >single with the extra tracks, and it says zipper was recorded october 94 >at Dub Narcotic, olympia, washington state. (for that K single). But >that great soft boys reunion radio session was in april of that year, >correct? It was in January. I've got a fantastic tape of them live on the Mark Radcliffe BBC show that blows away their official concert tape -- it's probably the best Soft Boys recording I've ever heard. The thing with "Zipper In My Spine" on the K single has always confused me. This song was clearly written by Robyn as a Soft Boys song -- by which I mean that, although it wasn't written during the Soft Boys days, it is a conscious and carefully-intended return to a specific set of sounds that used to fill his songs in late 70s. It certainly sounds like he set out to write, in 1993, a new song with the frenetic tempo changes and yowling paranoid vocals that characterized the Soft Boys. So why did he make the official release of it a solo acoustic demo? I doubt one-tenth of the people who heard it on K Records detected that underneath that slightly incoherent strumming was the biggest chaotic rocker Robyn had written in years. Pity it wasn't immortalized in its full glory. - - David Librik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:09:01 -0400 From: Ben Subject: Re: dipper in my spline David Librik wrote: > >I just so happen to have the sequel import "my wife and my dead wife" > >single with the extra tracks, and it says zipper was recorded october 94 > >at Dub Narcotic, olympia, washington state. (for that K single). But > >that great soft boys reunion radio session was in april of that year, > >correct? > > It was in January. I've got a fantastic tape of them live on the Mark > Radcliffe BBC show that blows away their official concert tape -- it's > probably the best Soft Boys recording I've ever heard. > > The thing with "Zipper In My Spine" on the K single has always confused me. > This song was clearly written by Robyn as a Soft Boys song -- by which > I mean that, although it wasn't written during the Soft Boys days, it is > a conscious and carefully-intended return to a specific set of sounds > that used to fill his songs in late 70s. It certainly sounds like he > set out to write, in 1993, a new song with the frenetic tempo changes > and yowling paranoid vocals that characterized the Soft Boys. > > So why did he make the official release of it a solo acoustic demo? > > I doubt one-tenth of the people who heard it on K Records detected that > underneath that slightly incoherent strumming was the biggest chaotic > rocker Robyn had written in years. Pity it wasn't immortalized in its > full glory. > > - David Librik Huh? "Zipper In My Spine" is electric on the K single, not acoustic. And the Soft Boys version (better IMO) is on the "Where Are The Prawns?" tape. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: anal injury On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Terrence M Marks wrote: > And as for leftism, that sort of thing is relative. While the Democratic > Party is probably a little to the right of, say, certain socialist groups, > they're generally (or at least theoretically) more liberal than the > Republican Party and mainstream America. And the Republican Party is way to the left of the Libertarian Party which is slightly left of the Objectivists. - --J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:50:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Rocktropolis allstar news 9/11/98 Rebecca: >I am not at all a fan of Lenny Kravitz, personally. >But I am pretty sure that his mother, who recently died, >was either named Roxie or played a character named Roxie on a television >show. (I know she was in a long running show, although I can't remember >which one.) But I know that the name Roxie is strongly associated with >her. So, while I think the use of the title "Roxie Music" for his company >is extremely unwise (and possibly not legal), I think his motives must be >understandable. He obviously wants to honor his mother. Yes, of course. His mom's name was Roxie Roker, and was a star on the not-so-critically acclaimed sitcom The Jeffersons (certainly ranks up there with the most unwatchable long-running shows of all-time, alongside Alice, Family Ties, A Different World and whatever else I'm forgetting). She played Mrs. Willis, the neighbor in the mixed marriage. Come to think of it, perhaps the AllStar news story got the spelling wrong. Maybe Kravitz intends to call his label "ROXIE Music" and not "Roxy Music," in which case this would be less of a legal infringement upon the ever-melancholy Mr. Ferry. I bet that's the case. Speaking of K Records, I saw D+ and Dub Narcotic Sound System perform tonight, at some weird little storefront hole-in-the-wall (100 people capacity!) in North Hollywood (I was hoping to see Money Mark at a larger club afterwards, but couldn't get a ticket). D+ was fairly awful (despite featuring Bret, late of Beat Happening), but Dub Narcotic Sound System was just *enormously* entertaining. I've only seen Calvin Johnson perform once before (with Beat Happening, around 1992), but damn, that man kills me. He spent the entire show dancing as he sang, running through a hilariously deft array of vintage Frankie/Annette surf-party steps, and he took advantage of the unusual stageless venue to devote significant sections of time to walking (and dancing) through the crowd, blankly pushing through as if he wasn't even aware that there were people in his path. Twice, he actually wandered all the way into the lobby, a good 25 feet away! Wacky. But the fascinating thing is, you can't read the guy at ALL. Is he having fun? It seems so, but then how come he never smiles? His face is a total blank. What a mystery he is. And the band (particularly the drummer, a chunky female who was the most visually engaging drummer I've seen in ages) was quite good too, laying down all those funky grooves which Johnson bleated over. Anyway...excellent show. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: More redundancy XTC are quirky, but not as quirky as Robyn Neutral Milk Hotel write songs about fetuses and stuff Brian Eno is a bald guy who produces U2 albums Dan Bern is a guy that a lot of Fegs like for some reason Bjork sings funny Kristin Hersh sings funny, but not as funny as Bjork Nick Drake is a dead folkie who used weird tunings Peter Blegvad is some guy nobody's heard of The Chills are a band from New Zealand who've had 600 personnel changes Joy Division are kind of depressing Martin Newell is quirky, and he's a gardener Captain Beefheart is pretty darn weird There, I think most of my record collection's been properly dismissed. n. "All you need is a big bottle of Robitussin and some Whip-its and hash brownies and you'll be all set!" - the record shop clerk to me after I bought records by Apples in Stereo and Elf Power and announced I was "Elephant 6-ed out" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:38:20 -0600 From: amadain Subject: help, help, i'm being repressed (0 RH) >On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, amadain wrote: > >> Yup. There seems to be some confusion floating around these days between >> "capitalist" and "self-sufficient", which are NOT equivalent terms. >Nope. I think the confusion lies in the fact that Capitalism is an >economic system based on the accumulation and reinvestment of profits I was actually referring to your own somewhat sloppy use of the term capitalist to refer to your own "hunt, gather, barter" ideology. I'm not the one who oversimplified. X-Communicate: > anyone on this list would do that, right Mr. Tews] or pin it on some > vague definition of lexigraphical understanding, i.e. > "'self-sufficient'". Both avoid the reality of > understanding how a economic system works, what every that system be. To which GSS responds: Exactly how Amadain concluded that self-sufficient and confusion over it and capitalism has anything to do with either capitalistic or sociolistic type economies, I do not know. Exactly how I concluded that you were confused between capitalism as an economic system and your own subjective notions of what it is is self-evident. Chris's reply that you quote above was addressing YOU and what I wrote was an answer that more or less agreed with him (in fact his was the post I responded to, not yours). Just wanted to point that out. I think this topic has probably been done to death already :). Oh, and if you must continue with amadain and not my given name, lowercase it, please. >> May I also point out that being disagreed with is not the same thing as >> being oppressed? Is someone on Feg threatening professed Christians with >> harm for speaking their minds? Are posts from Christians being cancelled >By definition, oppression does not have to include physical abuse. I >included this list on the other list just to promote a response. I meant harm in a broad sense- interesting that you would conclude that physical harm is the only kind that can be threatened. I suppose it doesn't matter because as far as I can tell no one has been banned or threatened in any sort of way by Feg members for being Christian. Oppression could also include suppressing speech, for example, which is not happening either. Anyone who is openly ANYTHING will take some shit for it from someone somewhere down the line. This is called life. My point was that being disagreed with or having minority views is not the same thing as oppression. To compare jokes about the Darwin fish to the way Christians are treated in Iran is ridiculous. I feel that it lacks a bit of proportion, to say the least. Now I find it damn annoying and on occasion even hurtful when people give me shit for being a vegetarian, for being an s/m er etc. etc., but I would be extremely naive if I didn't expect it. Jokes and even on some occasions outright nastiness and hostility come with the territory, and misunderstanding almost ALWAYS does. Frankly I think that if you're going to cry "I'm being repressed" every time that happens maybe you should think twice before jumping into the public arena. I don't see why Christians should somehow be exempt or MORE worthy of protection than anyone else. >I do not recall ever giving you any shit about your sexual prefrences and >offhand, I do not remember you getting roused regarding comments that >were made about your sexual orientations. If something said about you Hence my comment "Now, it doesn't bother me". I don't tend to get into "how dare you mode" when people make jokes. I expect it and as said, that comes with the territory. My point was not that I needed anyone's protection or felt horribly oppressed, it was that you seemed to have only noticed this "oppression" when directed at Christian persons. Incidentally, it looks to me as if Terry and Dolph (just the two examples that spring most readily to mind) are more than capable of defending themselves from said oppression. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:42:27 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Kravitz, etc. In a message dated 9/12/98 7:45:20 PM, you wrote: << Anyway, I wanted to introduce myself. I have a lot to learn about Robyn and probably won't post much here, unless I come across any news.>> Always good to see someone respecting the "news only" protocol here at Fegmaniax, Inc. ;-) Well, it's nice of Kravitz to honor his mom. Sad, however, that he's so used to absorbing and spewing back out pop culture that he wasn't even able to honor his mom without dishonoring (as I'm guessing most of us would see it) Roxy Music by using an association with their name to try to sell records. What would have been wrong with just "Roxie" or "Roxie Records"? I mean, for crying out loud, you should never pass up an opportunity for some decent alliteration, especially when going the other way makes you look like a wanker. Then again, he is a wanker, so it shouldn't be surprising that he would do something so wankerly. - ------Michael K., who had never given Lenny Kravitz more than 5 seconds of consideration before yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:34:26 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: crabwise deep purple. i figured you'd have been all over that one, terry! true enough. [banging his head against a platter of spaghetti-o's] set 'im straight, marcy! although i guess i can agree with the "theoretically" part. kind of. and this is where you're really off your rocker. america is the most polled country in history, i guess. and it couldn't be clearer that americans are firmly social-democratic, while the democrats are, and always have been, big-business flunkies. (in fact, three-quarters of americans believe the phrase, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" comes from the declaration of independence. now, draw whatever conclusions you will from this about underinformed americans. but it's still pretty striking that so many people consider this such a fundamental truth that they think it comes from the most enlightened document they know of.) uh, you mean when he "co-headlined" for billy bragg? HOWEVER, just imgaine if Live Man Die and The Ruling Class had been included on QUEEN ELVIS. yow! Zipper is, as ben mentioned, electric on the k single. but dave's point is well taken. WHERE ARE THE PRAWNS *really* should be given a proper release. whether on ryko, or warners, or rhino, or whatever. KEN "No sleep 'til Bookmobile" THE KENSTER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: crabwise Eddie remarks: > (in fact, three-quarters of > americans believe the phrase, "from each according to his ability, to > each according to his need" comes from the declaration of independence. > now, draw whatever conclusions you will from this about underinformed > americans. but it's still pretty striking that so many people consider > this such a fundamental truth that they think it comes from the most > enlightened document they know of.) You know, last week I was sitting in a lecture for the course I'm teacher assisting for, and the professor read out a newspaper article which described a recent (within the last few years) experiment by a journalist. He took the unattributed and untitled text of the Declaration of Independence, went out on the streets of Miami with it, and asked people to sign it as a petition. He was aiming for fifty people. The only person who'd sign it was a guy who wanted a dollar for his trouble. Other people abused him or told him he'd better take away that 'commie garbage' because their bosses wouldn't like it. When he took the same text to a high school, fully *28%* of the students, when asked to identify the author, said *Lenin*. Another answer was 'a hippy'. Most didn't get it right. Don't ask me what this means in relation to Eddie's remark, unless it's that precious few Americans have actually read the founding documents they pay lip service to. I just thought it was incredibly funny, in a pathetic kind of way. Danielle (probably in the minority group of New Zealanders who have actually read the Treaty of Waitangi, not to mention those who have attempted to understand the controversy over 'kawanatanga' and 'rangatiratanga') _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:13:56 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: fun for the hole family (RH = 6.2% - allow for settling in transit) >Did the Soft Boys ever record their version of "Mystery Train?" >Also, how many renditions of "Only the Stones Remain" did uncle bobby >(officially) record? >ALSO, any of ya'll ever heard of a group called "Single Gun theory"? I >just got lent one of their CD's but someone at work, and it is great!!! >Very Jah-Wobbleish!!! Don't know if anyone ever replied to this, but isn't there a version of Mystery Train on the 1976-81 double album? As for SGT, They're not bad - "Flow, river of my soul" is the better of the two I've heard ("Millions, like stars..." is the other), but it's a little too "wifty" (i.e., New-age-y) in its philosophising for me. If you like SGT, also try Forest For The Trees, who inject a little more fun into their rabidly eclectic fourth-world-dance-stuff-whatever. someone (Terry?) asked about bands other than the New Vaudeville Band who used that whole '20s style thing in the late 60s-early 70s. Other than the obvious (The Beatles "Honey Pie", "Martha My Dear", "When I'm 64"), there were such bands as the Scaffold ("Lily the Pink" was vaguely 20s-ish, as were one or two of the8ir other songs) and the most direly, bizarrely, wonderful of one-hit wonders, Lieutenant Pigeon ("Mouldy Old Dough") TGQ a dit: >Another pet peeve of mine is this fixation on criticizing "fantastic" >lyrics. [...] Again, like all Romantic genres, art rock leans towards this >tendency to incorporate myth and religious imagery . . . King Crimson's >"Moonchild" and "Prince Rupert Awakes;" Rush's "The Trees," "Xanadu," and >"Hemispheres;" Jethro Tull's "Aqualung" and "Thick as a Brick;" Genesis >"Lamia" ...Robyn Hitchcock's "Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom"... >And I always thought Mother T was a tight end for the Saints. Go figure. wasn't she in "The A team"? Okay, I'm confused... is there anyone who doesn't have an ethnicity? >Me: I'm sure Jeme has some thoughts on this. I don't think I'm much of a >host. I have little practice. I don't know how to do the flesh pressing, >unless it's Glass Flesh, and then I need the help of others anyway. >Y'know, I'm kinda stuck on myself. I'm a ham. I'm shy at the same time. I >play a really loud guitar and I do it violently, so people who drink beer, >or are heavily medicated in the next country over think I can play it. I >sing pretty well, but mostly about strange things. I am terribly >scatterbrained, if brained at all- but I remember completely useless >things well if there is a chance that I can use them to confuse others >later. I can make happy people laugh if they are smart and/or drunk and am >not above doing so. hmm. Perhaps Mark and I *were* separated at birth. I was, anyway. I suppose anyone could read themselves into this sort of description, but to me it is a little more creepily familiar than finsing out that Bass is the song which describes my view about life, or whatever it was. Bayard - I'm seeing if I can get a photo of me scanned by someone. If I can, I'll send you a gif of it. ...oh, and to answer that most vexed of Feg questions, 12 batsmen have scored triple-centuries at Test level. The record is held by Brian Lara (WI) who is also the only player to have hit 500 in a first-class match. The others in the test 300+ club are G Sobers and LG Rowe (West Indies); L Hutton, W Hammond, A Sandham, G Gooch, and J Edrich (England); Hanif Mohammed (Pakistan); DG Bradman, RB Simpson, and RM Cowper (Australia). The incomparable Sir Don Bradman is the only player to have done this feat twice, as well as finishing at 299 not out on another occasion. He is also the only player ever to have scored more than seven double centuries - he got 12 of them. James ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #357 *******************************