From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V7 #356 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 12 1998 Volume 07 : Number 356 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) [Danielle ] Re: misattribution and Robyn's grueling schedule [Miles Goosens ] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) [dmw ] Oh, and... [Danielle ] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant [Capuchin ] anal injury ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant [Ross Overbury ] Re: Anal injury [Ross Overbury ] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) [MARKEEF] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant (5% Tork content) [Terrence M Marks ] Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) [Terrenc] Re: anal injury [Terrence M Marks ] R. Stevie Moore mp3s [0% Robyn] [Miles Goosens Subject: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) I just noticed that someone on the Costello list summed up Robyn as 'quite a quirky guy'. We obviously don't need to talk about him any more. They've covered everything already. ;) Danielle, wondering if it will ever stop raining NP Bressa Creeting Cake. Oh, the joy of getting your record collection back after two months! :) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:18:50 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Rocktropolis allstar news 9/11/98 [fwd] In a message dated 98-09-11 17:18:39 EDT, you write: << Geeez.... can't Roxy Music's (the band) label sue him for that? >> Can't we all just clobber him in the street sometime? He's such a worthless dork. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:37:49 -0500 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: Bored at work Doug wrote: >ps wasn't there a novel by julio cortazar called _62?_ yes, it was called '62: A Model Kit' ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:26:23 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: misattribution and Robyn's grueling schedule Did anyone else look at the header and think it said "masturbation and Robyn's grueling schedule?" No? Oh well, that's what happens when you spend the afternoon reading that Monica Lewinsky report... later, Miles, who anticipates a revival of the "Robyn's thingamajigger" thread ====================================================================== "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:58:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Danielle wrote: > I just noticed that someone on the Costello list summed up Robyn as > 'quite a quirky guy'. > > We obviously don't need to talk about him any more. They've covered > everything already. ;) While we're at it: Yes was a bunch of dudes who played a lot of solos. Arthur Lee probably wasn't crazy but did a good impression of it. Julian Cope is also quirky, but in a more addled way. Syd Barrett is really really quirky. The Beatles were these guys who could write good pop songs. The Beach Boys played a lot of surf music. Stevie Wonder was blind and played the piano. The Monkees were kinda like The Beatles but not as good. Herman's Hermits were kinda like The Monkees, but not as good. The Velvet Underground is really into that 'subculture' thing. The Pixies are into it too, but they spell it 'subbacultcha'. Devo is also into it, but they spell it 'devolution', which confuses everyone. The Osmonds weren't quirky at all, but sounded like the Jackson 5. Hanson is less quicky than The Osmonds but sounds pretty much the same. Boston is kinda like Kansas, Journey or Foreigner. Kansas is kinda like Boston, Foreigner or Journey. The Breeders, The Descendants and Offspring don't sound alike, but they should, judging by names. Squeeze was these two guys who always sang about drinking and sex and these three guys who played rhythm and didn't sing about anything. They Might Be Giants is quirky, but poppier than Robyn. I don't know what Professor Longhair sounds like. I saw a picture of him and his hair was pretty short, so I figured the whole thing was a put-on. The Zombies sound kinda like Herman's Hermits, only much better. Harry Nilsson partied with John Lennon. WHo cares about how his music sounds. Supertramp sounds kinda like Pink Floyd, but with less of everything. ELO, Gentle Giant, Asia and Todd Rungren are all actually the same band. ELO and EMF are NOT the same band, though. The Womenfolk sound kinda like Herman's Hermits and are just as lame, but more female. The Kinks were kinda like The Beatles, only lamer (but not as lame as The Monkees [except for Preservation II, which is at the level of The Womenfolk, but with more men]) Oh, and pornography tends to involve naked people. 90% of the internet is now redundant. Now that we've made shallow, one-line assessments, lets forget about these bands and find some new ones to talk about, ok? Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:12:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant (5% Tork content) Terrence: >The Velvet Underground is really into that 'subculture' thing. >Now that we've made shallow, one-line assessments, lets forget about these >bands and find some new ones to talk about, ok? Nah, I wanna try another one-liner. All the Velvet Underground's lyrics say is "Look ma, we're on smack." Woo! OK, we can move on now. Eb, checking off another Terry post which includes the M-word ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Terrence M Marks quip-o-maticed > Boston is kinda like Kansas, Journey or Foreigner. > Kansas is kinda like Boston, Foreigner or Journey. i can't believe i'm doing this, but: boston=journey, no problem. sappy ballads and well-behaved guitars, stoopid party songs and near-castrato vocals. very astute. but: kansas was prog rock disguised as hard rock, only with more violin foreigner wanted to be dirtier and louder than the stones, but were mostly just sillier and come to think of it: guns and roses were dirtier and louder than the stones, but didn't write songs gotta feveh of a hunnnerd an three, - -- d., aspirant king of bitterness - - oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmayowel@access.digex.net - - and dmw@mwmw.com ... get yr pathos at http://www.pathetic-caverns.com/ - - new reviews! tunes, books, flicks, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:44:23 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) At 06:54 AM 9/12/98 -0400, dmw wrote: >kansas was prog rock disguised as hard rock, only with more violin > >foreigner wanted to be dirtier and louder than the stones, but were mostly >just sillier doug is on target. I'll also add that no matter how much of a commercial vehicle Foreigner was, and no matter how much they supposedly sucked live (I never saw them, though many trusted friends have, so I'm not really doubting their live suckage, just telling you that I did not personally witness it), they had a core of songs that really did kick some butt. "Feels Like the First Time," "Hot Blooded," "Dirty White Boy," and "Urgent" were all great rock 'n' roll singles. If I had a band, we'd cover "Dirty White Boy" for sure. i know what's good for you all day, Miles ====================================================================== "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:05:11 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) In a message dated 9/12/98 3:55:06 AM, you wrote: <> Except, I don't know, Boston always had a little more of a "feel good" thing going on, whereas Journey were more pseudo-intense. That's what's always separated the two in my mind. << foreigner wanted to be dirtier and louder than the stones, but were mostly just sillier >> But I still see them as existing along the same continuum as Journey and Boston . . . in fact, just to the opposite side of Boston from Journey, in that Foreigner was even less pseudo-serious than Boston. What I can't believe is that Loverboy were left off the list! They bridge the small gap between Journey and Boston, I think, and thereby complete the picture. - -----Michael K., who thinks it's funner to stretch the inherently limited boundaries of a subject, rather than trying to condense into one line as potentially limitless a subject as the Monkees vs. Herman's Hermit's ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant Michael K: > But I still see them as existing along the same continuum as Journey and > Boston . . . in fact, just to the opposite side of Boston from Journey, in > that Foreigner was even less pseudo-serious than Boston. What I can't believe > is that Loverboy were left off the list! They bridge the small gap between > Journey and Boston, I think, and thereby complete the picture. You know, there's one thing missing from this discussion. *What about Poco?* ;) Danielle, pondering over a Costello one-liner - anyone? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Subject: Oh, and... I only just did that little game. According to it, the way I feel about life is 'Point That Thing Somewhere Else'. Susan's right. Fegs know way too many songs. Danielle _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Danielle wrote: > You know, there's one thing missing from this discussion. *What about > Poco?* ;) Phil Hartman did some Poco album covers when he was a graphic artist. I think that's all that matters. I've never heard them, myself. > Danielle, pondering over a Costello one-liner - anyone? Elvis is a guy that kind of sings. I think that world for any of them: Costello, Presley, Hitler. J. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:56:53 PDT From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: anal injury do you suppose negativland actually mean this? or do ya think they know they'd never get *anywhere* with any sort of pro-piracy stance, so have chosen softer language. i think once it's put before the public, it's fair game, no matter how or to what extent you want to use it. but of course, i also think profits should be taken out of music (and any other area of human endeavor) altogether. still... i think it was kind of a fluke. but the fact that rose got to 44, and molitor got to, uh, 38 was it? shows that it's nothing like beyond the pale. it can be topped. what's fascinating to me is that anytime somebody gets to about *16*, it's a very big deal. incidentally, did you know that williams had a higher batting average than dimaggio during the course of The Streak? it's true. bill james had a method for figuring the chances that somebody would achieve some sort of career milestone. based on the player's age, a weighted average of the three most recent years, and, of course, the number yet needed to reach the milestone. hang on, let me go borrow a calculator and do some surfing... ok, i'm back. if we project mcgwire to hit 68 home runs this year, then he has a 32% chance of breaking aaron's record. if we project griffey to hit 54 this year, then he has a 43% chance. james also once had a computer simulate 1,000 years of willie mays, and he never once hit .400 during the simulation, though he came close a few times. cricket's ok. but the one that REALLY kicks ass is aussie rules football. those referees are the fucking best! i at one point in my life seriously considered moving to australia, just so i could get a job as an aussie rules football referee. that is to say, the TAXPAYER FUNDED new stadium, which is being rammed up our collective piehole despite our having voted against it. (this is not to be confused with the taxpayer funded new *football* stadium, which *did* win voter approval, but only after paul allen PURCHASED THE PLEBISCITE ITSELF, and then outspent the no campaign by 100-to-1. and it *still* only passed by two-tenths of one percent. can you say, "corporate welfare is alive and well in the emerald city"? i knew you could!) you know, terry, it occurs to me that you were right. we *do* live in a democracy after all! what *ever* was i thinking when i stated otherwise? translation: the old one (which we're still paying for, by the way,) doesn't have any luxury boxes, ergo, it must be demolished. did anyone tape this? if so, please be in touch. see, we're all waiting for aidan to get off his lazy ass and put out another issue of Positive Vibrations! i don't think it's so innacurate. now, to portray *either* as leftists (or even mildly leftish) is pure insanity. you don't consider PERFECT STRANGERS a reunion album? from ani d.'s latest: "people used to make records. as in, a record of an event. the event of people making music." i'm afraid i don't see the correlation. unless you've gone postmodern on us here, .chris. but the nuking of japan was not an abstract event. the murdering of 3 million vietnamese, plus making 50% of the population refugees, plus defoliating the country was not an abstract event. the bombing of wonsan, north korea for 24 hours a day for over 600 consecutive days was not an abstract event. the toppling of democratically elected governments in all corners of the globe were not abstract events. injuries in the workplace, and unsafe products being placed on the market are not abstract events. the death of approximately 1 million iraqis due to the sanctions is not an abstract event. the imf's destructive austerity measures imposed upon most of the third world are not abstract events. the monsanto corporation's invention of sterile seeds (so that farmers have to buy from them every year. funding, as if one had to ask, came from the u.s. government) is not an abstract event. incinerators sited in poor/black communites are not abstract events. pepsi using a sweetener made with scab labor was not an abstract event (and was also not listed anywhere on the product itself. so much for the market providing "perfect information.") the computer industry being 100% publicly subsidized in the '50's, and 80% publicly subsidized in the '60's, and then turned over to private industry once it had become profitable was not an abstract event. (oh yeah, .chris, you wanted me to put in a few good words for boeing. possibly the largest corporate welfare queen of them all. certainly one of the most evil corporations of them all.) decisions on production, distribution and allocation being concentrated among just a few persons/entities is not an abstract event. these are just facts. do we all have a different emotional reaction when confronted with these facts? i'd guess so. me personally, i find captialism's symptoms horrifying, barbaric, despicable. but just because i have an emotional reaction to "the news" does not mean i don't understand how the system works. except lately. have there been any sightings? i *assume* that he's planning a major tour to coincide with the release of the film. but with each week that passes without tour dates being announced, i get a little more antsy. for one thing, it's how he makes a living. it's what he's good at. and he's said that he couldn't imagine doing anything else to make a living. he's also said that he wants to be writing songs and touring until well into his 80's. you know, it's what he is. nah. but i'll tell you what's REALLY scary. not only do i know pretty muchevery feg's e-mail by heart, but i also more less know which ones are on loose-mail and which ones are on digest. i like foreigner quite a bit. and i *still* think robyn could do a KNOCKOUT cover of Jukebox Hero. Are there not instances when the refusal to serve is a sacred duty, when "treason" means courageous respect for the truth? --Manifesto of the 121 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 16:54:37 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant > Danielle, pondering over a Costello one-liner - anyone? Graham Parker and the Attractions. - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 17:04:29 EDT From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: Anal injury Said Mr. Tews: > (Foreigner ...) > "Feels Like the First Time," "Hot Blooded," "Dirty White Boy," and > "Urgent"> > > i like foreigner quite a bit. and i *still* think robyn could do a > KNOCKOUT cover of Jukebox Hero. Hey, am I the only person here who thinks Foreigner, KC & the Sunshine Band and Gary Glitter had the same lyricist? PS: bet ya didn't think I'd make it to the bottom of that post! - -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:15:34 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant In a message dated 98-09-12 14:52:18 EDT, Danielle wondered: << Danielle, pondering over a Costello one-liner - anyone? >> Elvis Costello used to look like Buddy Holly, who also wrote pop songs, but only one of them has died in a plane crash. Two fer the price of one. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:24:50 EDT From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) In a message dated 98-09-12 16:30:11 EDT, Doug theorized: re: Journey, Boston, et al -- << ...and hey, firefall were even farther over on the journey side, yes? ...and i think there's another axis...38 special are exactly the same as loverboy only a different position on this other axis. god, it could be a whole four (or more!) dimensional grid >> Unfortunately, we are all Fegs of Little Brains when it comes to the task of trying to analyze the relationship of all these bands to one another. God only knows in how many dimensions one would have to be able to conceptualize this in order to fully comprehend its magnitude. I mean, ya throw the Charlie Daniels Band (crossover country?! dear god, no!) into the mix and ya have to wheel out the ol' _Book of Stuff That Only Trekkie Staff Writers Have Ever Thunked Up_! - -------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant (5% Tork content) > Nah, I wanna try another one-liner. > > All the Velvet Underground's lyrics say is "Look ma, we're on smack." > > Woo! OK, we can move on now. But now the Pixies and DEVO ones don't fit in with that one. You've got to co-ordinate things. > > Eb, checking off another Terry post which includes the M-word > You're getting as predictable as Davy Jones about this... Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:54:35 -0700 From: "Hillbilly Idol" Subject: (Fwd) Dan Bern-Touring From www.danbern.com: 11/20/98 Berkeley CA St. John's Presbyterian Church 8 PM Any Bay Area fegs interested in this, please let me know. I'm be on vacation that week, so I'll be there. I know a bunch of us (me, Nick, Donne, Sydney, ?) have birthdays around that time. Maybe we could do another Happy Bern-thday in Bern-keley this year? Let me know, - -glynyrd bern-stein )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber Email: uberg@sonic.net ICQ UIN: 13311304 Web: http://www.sonic.net/~uberg "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." --Frank Zappa )+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: Fegmaniax made redundant with one cogent remark (RH content) On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, dmw wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Terrence M Marks quip-o-maticed > > > Boston is kinda like Kansas, Journey or Foreigner. > > Kansas is kinda like Boston, Foreigner or Journey. > > i can't believe i'm doing this, but: > boston=journey, no problem. sappy ballads and well-behaved guitars, > stoopid party songs and near-castrato vocals. very astute. That's what I get for growing up near a classic rock station that didn't say who played what songs. Boston, Foreinger, Kansas, Styx, Journey, Golden Earring, etc. have all melted into one big, mostly unlistenable mid-70s lump as far as I'm concerned. Mind you, this is just going by what they played on the radio. Any of these bands may have a lot more to them than I know. Besides, I never claimed that any of my comments were accurate. The Costello-L's comments about Robyn (and, heck, Costello's comments about Ray Charles) were made in the spirit of dismissal rather than..umm..not-dismissal[1]. 1: There's a word that fits here really well, but I can't think of it. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence M Marks Subject: Re: anal injury >>I'd say something about the Firesign Theatre reunion album, but >>I'venever met a reunion album I've liked.> > >you don't consider PERFECT STRANGERS a reunion album? Umm, I'm thinking of that show on ABC with some foreigner named Balki living with his Cousin Larry... Assuming that the album is unrelated, it qualifies as an album I've never met. Who's it by? And as for leftism, that sort of thing is relative. While the Democratic Party is probably a little to the right of, say, certain socialist groups, they're generally (or at least theoretically) more liberal than the Republican Party and mainstream America. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:23:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: R. Stevie Moore mp3s [0% Robyn] Those of you in Fegland may have heard me rave about pop genius R. Stevie Moore over the years. Well, now you can get a taste of his music free of charge, since I just added five R. Stevie Moore songs in mp3 format to my R. Stevie Moore webpage . In the near future, Stevie's 1976 album PHONOGRAPHY will be reissued on CD, plus there are lots of other projects afoot, all of which you can read about on my site. And if you want someone else's Stevie opinion, check out Ira Robbins' raves in the Trouser Press music guides (online at http://www.trouserpress.com/bandpages/R._STEVIE_MOORE.html). And let me know what you think if you stop by, o.k.? playing myself some music, Miles ====================================================================== Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com R. Stevie Moore website, now with sound! http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/rstevie ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:43:11 -0500 From: Zelda Pinwheel Subject: Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach (0% RH Content) Hi Y'all, I'm planning on making the trek from Texas to Chicago to see Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach at the Chicago Theatre on Oct. 16th. If anyone else is going to be there and would like to meet up, please e-mail me privately. Sincerely, Zelda P.S. There's also a chance that I won't be able to go, so if anyone is interested in 1 good ticket to the show...Well, let's not get into that now. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V7 #356 *******************************